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:Simply mentioning that it's in the context of the movies (i.e. how people in the movie view her) and being more specific is very helpful so that people don't get the wrong ideas. It does no harm, and by not being specific, it's sending bad ideas. It may not be "wrong" for you to do so, but when dealing with subjective opinions, being more specific, the better. Secondly, I disagree with you saying there's no "inappropriate" underlying connotations. The ideas and values of society are easily influenced by our language, and calling 16 year olds "beautiful", especially when these Disney characters are portrayed at unhealthy body weights, is very problematic. Whatever, I can't expect much from a wiki which calls girls in the series like Olette to be "tomboys". I have higher expectations. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 20:32, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | :Simply mentioning that it's in the context of the movies (i.e. how people in the movie view her) and being more specific is very helpful so that people don't get the wrong ideas. It does no harm, and by not being specific, it's sending bad ideas. It may not be "wrong" for you to do so, but when dealing with subjective opinions, being more specific, the better. Secondly, I disagree with you saying there's no "inappropriate" underlying connotations. The ideas and values of society are easily influenced by our language, and calling 16 year olds "beautiful", especially when these Disney characters are portrayed at unhealthy body weights, is very problematic. Whatever, I can't expect much from a wiki which calls girls in the series like Olette to be "tomboys". I have higher expectations. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 20:32, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | ||
::Again, this isn't the avenue for discussing the merits of ideas and values held in society. That isn't our place, it isn't our role, and we do not allow commentary on the matter here. There are other, far more appropriate avenues for that kind of discussion. Our place is simple: we report only what the games have portrayed, and we are neutral in that we do not report beyond that perspective. This isn't Wikipedia, where the coverage takes the topic in the context of society. We simply take the topic in the context of the games. It is up to the rest of society to determine whether the perspective presented in the games and related films, and covered on this wiki, is appropriate on its own, larger scale, but this wiki does not take a stand either way on the matter. Secondly, this "higher expectation" attitude does not help in having a constructive discussion on any matter, because it implies that everyone else is not fit for having these discussions with you, and if you have such low expectations from us, then perhaps you may want to consider finding a different community with your "higher expectations." I will warn you, though, no one will want to work with someone who continually critiques others with disdain as you have regularly done so on this wiki. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 21:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | ::Again, this isn't the avenue for discussing the merits of ideas and values held in society. That isn't our place, it isn't our role, and we do not allow commentary on the matter here. There are other, far more appropriate avenues for that kind of discussion. Our place is simple: we report only what the games have portrayed, and we are neutral in that we do not report beyond that perspective. This isn't Wikipedia, where the coverage takes the topic in the context of society. We simply take the topic in the context of the games. It is up to the rest of society to determine whether the perspective presented in the games and related films, and covered on this wiki, is appropriate on its own, larger scale, but this wiki does not take a stand either way on the matter. Secondly, this "higher expectation" attitude does not help in having a constructive discussion on any matter, because it implies that everyone else is not fit for having these discussions with you, and if you have such low expectations from us, then perhaps you may want to consider finding a different community with your "higher expectations." I will warn you, though, no one will want to work with someone who continually critiques others with disdain as you have regularly done so on this wiki. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 21:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | ||
:::Simply being more specific (i.e. saying it's how men in the movie view her) is far from discussing societal values or commentary on the actual articles of the wiki itself. You can interpret what I say how you see fit. And unfortunately, there's only two major English language KH wikis. I'm only here because it's the more developed one. There's no point in debating anything anymore once an admin steps in because on this wiki | :::Simply being more specific (i.e. saying it's how men in the movie view her) is far from discussing societal values or commentary on the actual articles of the wiki itself. You can interpret what I say how you see fit. And unfortunately, there's only two major English language KH wikis. I'm only here because it's the more developed one. There's no point in debating anything anymore once an admin steps in because on this wiki, I've seen routinely that it's futile and nothing changes. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 21:12, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | ||