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:::::Agree to disagree. If you view it like that, then you're basically also admitting it was saying she's loved because she's wealthy. And there's no need to say my username, I find it annoying and condescending, even if people don't mean it that way. Anyway, I tried a rewrite which tries to get the point across in a less skeevy fashion so we can move on with our lives. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 19:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | :::::Agree to disagree. If you view it like that, then you're basically also admitting it was saying she's loved because she's wealthy. And there's no need to say my username, I find it annoying and condescending, even if people don't mean it that way. Anyway, I tried a rewrite which tries to get the point across in a less skeevy fashion so we can move on with our lives. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 19:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | ||
First of all, we do not report on the series in a vaccumm. We report on it in the context and framework established by the games themselves and, to the extent they are portrayed in the games, the films that are featured. Therfore, it is not inappropriate or incorrect to portray or describe characters and elements of the game as they are described in the games and related films. Secondly, the argument that there is some sort of inapporpriate connotation in describing Jasmine's, or anyone's, physical appearance as it is portrayed and described in the films is false. Again, we report based on the games and the films as they are portrayed in the games, not from any other perspective. Those kinds of conclusions are left for the reader to determine on their own, not us on behalf of the reader. This isn't the venue for discussing the social morality of what is portrayed in the games or films. Finally, Soroxas, I will ask you once more to refrain from attacking people's characters because you don't agree with their opinions or arguments. It's one thing to reject the argument; that's part of the discussion and collaborative process. However, saying that people are gross, or tone-deaf, is unnecessary and condescending, and will be considered a personal attack if it happens again. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 20:05, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | First of all, we do not report on the series in a vaccumm. We report on it in the context and framework established by the games themselves and, to the extent they are portrayed in the games, the films that are featured. Therfore, it is not inappropriate or incorrect to portray or describe characters and elements of the game as they are described in the games and related films. Secondly, the argument that there is some sort of inapporpriate connotation in describing Jasmine's, or anyone's, physical appearance as it is portrayed and described in the films is false. Again, we report based on the games and the films as they are portrayed in the games, not from any other perspective. Those kinds of conclusions are left for the reader to determine on their own, not us on behalf of the reader. This isn't the venue for discussing the social morality of what is portrayed in the games or films. Finally, Soroxas, I will ask you once more to refrain from attacking people's characters because you don't agree with their opinions or arguments. It's one thing to reject the argument; that's part of the discussion and collaborative process. However, saying that people are gross, or tone-deaf, is unnecessary and condescending, and will be considered a personal attack if it happens again. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 20:05, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | ||
:Simply mentioning that it's in the context of the movies (i.e. how people in the movie view her) and being more specific is very helpful so that people don't get the wrong ideas. It does no harm, and by not being specific, it's sending bad ideas. It may not be "wrong" for you to do so, but when dealing with subjective opinions, being more specific, the better. Secondly, I disagree with you saying there's no "inappropriate" underlying connotations. The ideas and values of society are easily influenced by our language, and calling 16 year olds "beautiful", especially when these Disney characters are portrayed at unhealthy body weights, is very problematic. Whatever, I can't expect much from a wiki which calls girls in the series like Olette to be "tomboys". I have higher expectations. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 20:32, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | |||