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{{oath|time=<small>[[User:Oath to Order|OtO]]</small><sup>[[user talk:Oath to Order|con]]</sup>[[User:Oath to Order/Top Ten|^_-]] 21:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)|text=What to do? This is the character page. Where do I put the boss info? Separate? Apart?}} | {{oath|time=<small>[[User:Oath to Order|OtO]]</small><sup>[[user talk:Oath to Order|con]]</sup>[[User:Oath to Order/Top Ten|^_-]] 21:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)|text=What to do? This is the character page. Where do I put the boss info? Separate? Apart?}} | ||
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==Unsure about this statement== | ==Unsure about this statement== | ||
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{{LapisScarab|time=18:39, February 4, 2010 (UTC)|text='Kay, got it.}} | {{LapisScarab|time=18:39, February 4, 2010 (UTC)|text='Kay, got it.}} | ||
{{Randomnessity|isa=Did it better than I would've. :D}} | {{Randomnessity|isa=Did it better than I would've. :D}} | ||
I should also point out that his coat is different from Master Xehanort's coat --[[User:Draph91|Draph91]] ([[User talk:Draph91|talk]]) 13:50, 1 July 2017 (UTC) | |||
==Moving the Article== | ==Moving the Article== | ||
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i personally thought billy zane was better than the other guy [[User:Yojimbo and diagoro|Yojimbo and diagoro]] 20:45, September 2, 2010 (UTC) | i personally thought billy zane was better than the other guy [[User:Yojimbo and diagoro|Yojimbo and diagoro]] 20:45, September 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:It was because Billy Zane became controversial after starring in a film directed by an Islamic guy that portrayed the USA in a negative light. As such Square-Enix of America (probably at the urging of Disney) recast the role.[[User:Meganerd18|Meganerd18]] 09:44, January 14, 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Personality == | == Personality == | ||
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Sora became a heartless and he had human level intelligence--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 00:42, April 15, 2010 (UTC) | Sora became a heartless and he had human level intelligence--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 00:42, April 15, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Also, Scar didn't become a heartless. He sort of died, and his phantom was created out of Simba's doubting himself. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 19:49, November 11, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Betterpic == | == Betterpic == | ||
{{LA|Vtext=Why, may I ask, are we not using this image for his main pic?: | {{LA|Vtext=Why, may I ask, are we not using this image for his main pic?: | ||
[[File: | [[File:Ansem, Seeker of Darkness KH.png]] | ||
It seems good enought to me.}} | It seems good enought to me.}} | ||
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{{EO|time=19:18, May 6, 2010 (UTC)|text=I am against using this image as the Infobox image. True, it's higher quality, but it's not an OFFICIAL image. We should only be using what is OFFICIAL!}} | {{EO|time=19:18, May 6, 2010 (UTC)|text=I am against using this image as the Infobox image. True, it's higher quality, but it's not an OFFICIAL image. We should only be using what is OFFICIAL!}} | ||
Isn't it a render? How official does it need to be, for crying out loud? --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 19:38, May 6, 2010 (UTC) | Isn't it a render? How official does it need to be, for crying out loud? --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 19:38, May 6, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Look around the Wiki. All we have/use is OFFICIAL images. This was obtained when someone animated a T-shaped mod of Ansem. Thus, it is a FAN IMAGE. - | ::Look around the Wiki. All we have/use is OFFICIAL images. This was obtained when someone animated a T-shaped mod of Ansem. Thus, it is a FAN IMAGE. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 19:41, May 6, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{KrytenKoro|On one hand, the gamesprite is low quality, even though it's larger, but on the other, our guide image is kind of small. | {{KrytenKoro|On one hand, the gamesprite is low quality, even though it's larger, but on the other, our guide image is kind of small. | ||
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{{KrytenKoro|It's already a amjor plot detail that they're the only ones that keep their identity. Why put it in the trivia as well?}} | {{KrytenKoro|It's already a amjor plot detail that they're the only ones that keep their identity. Why put it in the trivia as well?}} | ||
{{Disneyvillainman|text=But wait: Scar's heartless speaks and keeps his physical appearance and personality upon becoming a heartless as well.}} | {{Disneyvillainman|text=But wait: Scar's heartless speaks and keeps his physical appearance and personality upon becoming a heartless as well.}} | ||
:Scar's PHANTOM is not a heartless. Otherwise a Nobody would have been formed, and it would have been a major plot point. Scar died, Simba started doubting himself, and this doubt manifested itself as darkness in the form of Scar. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 19:45, November 11, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Ahem ''"Anger and jealousy turned the king of Pride Rock into a Heartless"''-Pete | |||
I rest my case-[[User:Disneyvillainman|Disneyvillainman]] 17:53, January 2, 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Except that PETE said that, and it invalidates the major plot point that only Sora and Ansem kept their identity.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:37, January 2, 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Re:Appearance == | == Re:Appearance == | ||
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{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 19:37, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text= At the very least it should say something along the lines of him showing characteristics of both Emblem and Pureblood Heartless, and it's uncertain which group he falls into, if he falls into only one at all.}} | {{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 19:37, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text= At the very least it should say something along the lines of him showing characteristics of both Emblem and Pureblood Heartless, and it's uncertain which group he falls into, if he falls into only one at all.}} | ||
== Xehanort's heartless' INITIAL APPEARANCE. == | |||
I can't believe that nobody added this already. From what we've seen in BBS, Master Xehanort walks with a rather hunched back. This is rather similar to the gait of Xehanort's Heartless in KH prior to his possession of Riku. Is it possible that since the re-energized Heartless near the endgame looks almost identical to young Master Xehanort, the brown-cloaked man is his older form? | |||
It would make sense, considering Xehanort is an amalgamation of Master Xehanort's heart and Terra's body (Well, technically his heart, soul and body, with his mind being in the LS). This means the heart within the heartless should be MX's, giving it his physical features. We've only ever seen XH when he was somehow using Riku as a conduit. Yes, this includes the final battle in R/R. | |||
:He's never looked like young MX, he looks like Terra-Xehanort. Besides this is speculation, and unsuitable for the page.<!-- Heck, I should just let DTN move your question to the forums instead of answer it, but here we are.--> --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 01:08, December 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Emblem or Pureblood? == | |||
[[Special:Contributions/76.232.3.42|76.232.3.42]] 04:24, December 27, 2010 (UTC)On the page for Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, it says that it's unclear whether he falls into the Emblem or Pureblood Heartless. In my opinion, he is a Pureblood Heartless. Sure, he lacks the black skin and has the Heartless emblem on his chest, but I think I remember that in one of the Ansem Reports in KH2 it says that Emblem Heartless are artificially created and that Pureblood Heartless are formed when, well, when someone yields to the darkness in his/her heart. Xehanort the apprentice willingly gave his heart to darkness right? So, I think he falls under the Pureblood category. If I'm wrong, tell me otherwise, please! [[Special:Contributions/76.232.3.42|76.232.3.42]] 04:24, December 27, 2010 (UTC)A Wikia Contributor | |||
:No, Emblem Heartless are created (like Ansem did when he gave up his heart). Purebloods manifest through natural processes as manifestations of the darkness in someone's heart - the person does not change into a Pureblood, though.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:06, December 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:The emblem isn't even actually part of him; he discards is with most of his clothes when he merges with the World of Chaos.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}05:18, December 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Let's not forget that, when Terra-Xehanort gave up his heart, it was a time PRE-emblem Heartless, or at least before they were more "Varifying", so once he become a heartless, it was or could have looked like Master Xehanort, but without the emblme heartless, and when he casted his heart towards the past, it's became like a dark-silhoutte like being barely in the shape of MX, so until he could find a body to grow, he just need the robe to at least keep it's appearance straight. {{User:LuisArturo/sig}}02:13, October 03, 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Ansem is Master Xeahnorts heartless? == | |||
Isnt Ansem Master Xeahnorts heartless?Due to the fact he is MXs heart wrapped in darkness or is the darkness in his heart?I mean the outfits are the same and even the same exact lines.When MX took over Terra in kh bss he said the whole line about "All worlds began in darkness and all so end the heart is no different darkness grows with it sprouts with it consumes it and all retun to once it came.I swear Ansem says the same '''exact''' thing in kh 1 when he fights Sora in the end of the game.So sence he has the same outfit as MX says the same things wouldnt that make him his heartless?I mean he has to be his heartless.When Terra plunged himself with the keyblade he destoryed his heart and Eraqus.Similiar to what Sora did in kh 1.He plunged himself to free MX heart but since that keyblade doesnt unlock hearts all he did was destroy his own heart and Eraqus's.Meaning MX heart still resisded in Terras body.Meaning: | |||
Terra: His own body and Soul and his heart(With Eraqus inside) | |||
Terra-Xeahnort:Terras body and Soul with MX heart. | |||
Ansem, Seeker of Darkness: MXs heart wrapped in darkness or the darkness in it or both. | |||
Xemnas:Terras soul and body. | |||
Lingering Sentinent: Terras mind. | |||
Msterious Firgure:Possibly Terras heartless(Because when Terra plunged himself he created a pureblood heartless)(Unlikely) | |||
No Heart: MX's Lingering Sentinent. | |||
Anybody else think so? | |||
{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2}} 19:18, December 31, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Brown Robed Figure == | |||
We should rename him either Xehanort's Heartless or the Brown Robed Figure, as Ansem was just an alias, while Xehanort's heartless is his real name and Brown Robed Figure is the name Nomura gives when speaking about him.--[[Special:Contributions/124.168.242.102|124.168.242.102]] 09:08, 22 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
:He gives this title officially when possessing Riku. He also has this name as his Report name, so our only choices are either Ansem (Heartless) or Ansem, Seeker of Darkness. Brown Robed Figure is just an alias, it's like Unknown for Young Xehanort, however we know he's Ansem, and Xehanort's Heartless is an extremely generic title and is a simple name. I'd understand if it were our only choice but it isn't. So we use what's best to keep them different from others, it is also the reason why Xemnas is not "Xehanort's Nobody" and Roxas is not "Sora's Nobody" either. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 09:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
::There's also the fact that "Nomura always calls him Brown Robed Figure or Xehanort's Heartless" is an outright ''lie''. Nearly all of the Ultimania dialogues and interviews, and even the latest games, call him Ansem. Honestly, until I see the original text of the latest KH3D interview, I'm not likely to believe Nomura even said it there, given how often the community's fan-translators like to make up their own names for things and stick them in as if that's what Nomura actually said. As for Xehanort's Heartless, that's a descriptor of what he ''is'', not how he refers to himself. | |||
::Also also, a name ''is'' your alias. This series isn't even Merlin, or something, where everybody has "one true name that is fundamentally wired into their being". Your name is whatever you call yourself.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 13:21, 22 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
::: Your right, but we should make brown robed figure a redirect here. | |||
== Image == | |||
Isnt there any way to get an image of Ansem in a black coat? as this is Ansem's current apperance in DDD.--[[Special:Contributions/124.169.221.213|124.169.221.213]] 13:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
:From what I've heard and seen there are no new renders for already introduced persons except Sora, Riku, Lea and Ienzo. He got two new boss renders though, but they are all without the cloak. So we'll need a good screenshot for that one. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 13:50, 6 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Wait, there's an Ienzo render? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 13:53, 6 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
:There is a [[:File:Riku-Ansem KHII.png|render of Riku-Ansem]] that we can use until we have an official render comes out--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 14:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
::But Riku-Ansem looks a bit different than Ansem, his figure is broader and his eyes are smaller. Also yes, there is a new Ienzo render where he's wearing that white lab coat but this time it fits;-) Maybe I get the render today, I don't know. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 14:14, 6 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::Cool, cool. We really need new renders, because at the very least, Ansem's model was updated for 3D. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 14:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::Though Riku-Ansem looks diffrent, we should use his render until an official one comes since it is the most similar.--[[Special:Contributions/124.169.160.70|124.169.160.70]] 01:37, 9 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
:There won't be an official one as there is no official cloaked Master Xehanort render. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 01:53, 9 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
== DDD profile == | |||
Ansem has also got another profile as "Robed Figure", but dunno if/where to put it:<br> | |||
''A mysterious man whose identity is masked by a brown robe.<br>Sora encountered him in the Destiny Islands right before his first journey began. Riku has seen him as well, though neither of them ever found out for certain who he was.<br> | |||
--[[User:Wind Prism|Wind Prism]] ([[User talk:Wind Prism|talk]]) 17:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Do it as a secondary profile, like with Vanitas as "Masked Boy" or the various Sora profiles.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 21:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Cleanup?== | |||
The template thingy says the captions need to be revised, but I don't see anything wrong with them...If the answer is super obvious, then sorry. I'm new here. [[User:ZeypherMage7|ZeypherMage7]] ([[User talk:ZeypherMage7|talk]]) 03:59, 26 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Feel free to ignore that for now, there's a bit of a caption war going on at the moment... or at least, there was recently. Once it's settled and we've decided upon an official format for captions, we'll make sure all pages meet those standards. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 04:09, 26 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
Right. Thanks for the info. [[User:ZeypherMage7|ZeypherMage7]] ([[User talk:ZeypherMage7|talk]]) 09:55, 31 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
== I'm confused == | |||
the two Ansem pages-Seeker of darkness and "the wise"-both say that said Ansem is the one who gave Riku control over his dark mode. Could someone tell me which page is right and fix the one that's wrong? [[Special:Contributions/97.81.35.41|97.81.35.41]] 21:54, 19 March 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander | |||
::The Seeker of Darkness is the one who gave Riku his Dark Mode. However, the "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness" who gives Riku this ability is Ansem the Wise (DiZ) in disguise, and not the true Ansem who possessed Riku in the past. Both pages are accurate. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 22:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
Point taken, but it's not exactly clearly stated. And thanks for telling me. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.35.41|97.81.35.41]] 22:16, 19 March 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander | |||
== name...? == | |||
Why would Xehanort's Heartless still be called "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness" when there are eleven or twelve other seekers of darkness soon to be revealed? And since he stole the name "Ansem," shouldn't his real identity be known as "Xehanort's Heartless?" just wondering :) | |||
:Well, if he stole the name "Ansem" then his identity is now "Ansem", as that is the name he rightfully stole. We'll get more information concerting the other seekers of darkness as it becomes available to us! For now, please post questions like this in the forums instead. Thanks! {{User:Coldasfire/sig3}}!02:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Robed Figure == | |||
Considering that we have a separate pages for Riku and Riku-Ansem shoudn't we make a separate pages for Robed Figure and Ansem SoD? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 13:34, 16 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:I'd be happy to try and do so but I don't think I have the authority to do it, nor do I really have much backing to do so yet either. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 13:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::[[Robed Figure/Draft]]. Go for it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:39, 22 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::I agree with splitting them. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 17:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::Would it be okay to proceed with the split then? --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 18:40, 15 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::Riku (Ansem) would also need to be split, since that incarnation is more a fusion (as it has both Ansem and Riku's hearts, speaks in both of their voices, is not considered a Heartless etc) while "Ansem" is just Xehanort's Heartless with a body. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 21:55, 15 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::::I'm cool with the split, but I think a mod needs to weigh in on a change of this magnitude.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::::Could some of the mods and/or admins either give their yays or nays regarding this split? :) - {{User:JTD95/Signature}} 19:04, 21 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I am some years late to this discussion however I don't think the page needs to be split. As far as I'm aware the reason that Riku and Riku-Ansem are separate pages is because the latter is a fusion of two different characters, same deal with Ventus-Vanitas/Terra-Xehanort etc. However since the Robed Figure is just Ansem SoD without a physical body, it doesn't really follow the same logic, so I think the bodyless Ansem information can stay on this page. That being said if there's more to it than what I've said you definitely have the authority to split now, either way I'd just like the split request resolved. [[User:Pureautism|Pureautism]] ([[User talk:Pureautism|talk]]) 16:36, 10 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::::::I agree there's no need for a split. It was argued somewhere some time ago that the wiki created separate articles for characters when they were fundamentally different in composition. Robed Ansem classifies as such and KH3D's journal entries seem to even regard him as a completely different form of Ansem (Melody of Memory seem to also indicate this by having Master Xehanort transition into Xemnas, Ansem, Robed Ansem, and then Terra-Xehanort). I wanted consistency back then but I feel now that going through with such a split would be quite unnecessary and ultimately just a bit messy and confusing. - {{User:JTD95/Signature}} 23:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::I figure KH3D's journal entry separates them because as it mentions Sora and Riku don't know the Robed Figure's identity as Ansem, basically the same thing as "Unknown" or "Mysterious Figure" for Xemnas/Young Xehanort. I checked the KH3D Ultimania's character guide section and I don't see any Robed Figure mention in Ansem's section or otherwise, so I think it doesn't really mean anything. Regardless since this seems cleared up, I'll remove the split template on the page. [[User:Pureautism|Pureautism]] ([[User talk:Pureautism|talk]]) 05:42, 12 March 2022 (UTC) | |||