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 ::As with the original split, I expect that, eventually, wikia will get bored and someone sane will move in, and at that point we can try extending the olive branch again to reaffiliate. Honestly, I wouldn't have much issue with them trying to fill the same role we were, as long as they weren't plagiarizing our material and then getting pissy when we politely ask for them to credit it, as is the standard across all wikis. I don't know what the staff members are thinking -- surely they've been around wikis long enough to recognize that what they're doing is extremely uncouth and shameful, but I suppose ad dollars are a smooth tempter.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:15, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 :::They will soon be busy with their portable infoboxes. I think, when KHIII it is released, the staff gets a bit calmer. Otherwise scare the still all users. After Kryten Koro was even blocked, I'm thinking of doing nothing in the Keyhole. Fandom interest is all about the traffic score and profit and less about the content anyway. The users at Fandom are ignored anyway and have to accept all trash from fandom, or they are allowed to leave. Byzantinefire will have to do a hard work if it is allowed to take over the keyhole. The Time will tell if its concept will work or if it will fail. <small>I'm also interested in Dollars.</small> :D [[User:Pain88|Pain88]] ([[User talk:Pain88|talk]]) 14:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
+::::I can't be believe they blocked you, KrytenKoro. I think that's pretty unjustified, given the fact you stopped when they asked you to the first time when dealing with the issues with the stolen image files.
+::::The FANDOM staff are only interested in revamping and creating articles related to KHIII to increase their profits, ad revenue, and their SEO rankings in preparation for the game's release. Afterwards, there will undoubtedly leave and give the reigns to users who are interested in adopting the Keyhole. Byzantinefire and other users have expressed interest, but no matter who adopts the Keyhole, I'm sure that the Keyhole is going to plagiarize our content. Everything on the Keyhole is severely out of date, and right now, they're reverting numerous articles back to the way they were before the split in 2012 and removing redirects to the KHWiki. Given how huge the franchise is, there's no way they can possibly bring ALL of the content on the Keyhole up to date by themselves in time, hence their main focus is KHIII-related articles. The community over there is barely active and much smaller than the community here on the KHWiki, and plagiarism is the biggest concern now that it's evident that they're taking our image files. Is ShardofTruth going to be credited for the stuff he personally edited, as our main and best image uploader for the wiki? The metadata should show that, right? He deserves to be credited.
+::::The only thing we can do is keep an eye on the Keyhole and making sure our content isn’t being plagiarized.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
+:::::Is it worth it to add citations, or a template for citations, to images that are taken from this Wiki without credit? Or is that just being complacent with this thievery? {{User:D3xus/Sig}} 04:44, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
+::::::Unfortunately, we can't. Trying to credit this wiki for the images taken from here is what got Kryten banned from the Keyhole earlier this week. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 05:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
+:::::::I'm guessing reaching out to another FANDOM staff member who is willingly to talk things out civilly, and not unjustifiably block one of our users who is simply trying to make our users' work is properly credited, will probably be fruitless? The FANDOM staff members on the Keyhole are just bending and twisting their own rules to justify stealing our image files, but maybe there's a FANDOM staff member who might be willingly to help us out and talk things out peacefully? Granted, this is probably just wishful thinking on my part.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 17:54, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
+:::::Don't get so worked up about the images please, that's not the hill to die on. Even with the removal of the khwiki links we still have the KHUX wiki and the Final Fantasy Wiki who link to us, I think they are huge boosts. In my opinion this place is not in a bad shape, even if not everything is up-to-date. We should get the KH3 pages going and see how things take shape at the Keyhole, maybe we can learn a thing or two.
+:::::It's sad that greed comes again before quality, content or even human decency, but that's Wikia for you.--{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:15, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
+I wouldn't expect to find anyone that would want to try and see things our way. There isn't a lot of evidence in the last month to suggest a willingness to talk. That said, ''we'' should make sure we maintain a willingness to talk it out. Part of me wonders if our concerns are, willfully or not, being misinterpreted. I would hope that is the case over maliciously being ignored, but we don't know. I know we discussed yesterday what we could do to maybe talk things out with them, so that's still a possibility. We should make sure it still is, at least on our end. I'd definitely advise against responding or otherwise exacerbating the situation right now. As I mentioned earlier this week, emotionally-charged responses, as justified as they may be, will not get us where we want to go. Who knows? Perhaps we will find a way to persuade them to at least hear our concerns out. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 20:53, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
+:::::::Agreed. At the very least, we should try to smooth things out with either the current FANDOM members or with the new users that will go there after the FANDOM members leave once KHIII's release. It's better if both communities can get along with each other. THS and ShardofTruth reached out to the users there, but it doesn't seem like they got a response yet.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
+The Keyhole is now also starting to copy information from here. You can see this in the article [https://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Diablo Diablo]. The Story was taken from [[Maleficent's Raven|here]] and copied in the Keyhole. It was doing from this user Doofenshmirtz95. [[User:Pain88|Pain88]] ([[User talk:Pain88|talk]]) 10:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
+:This guy also copied our articles on the Disney Wikia together with Byzantinefire, now only SilverFlight is missing and the old crew is together again. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 16:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
+::[https://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:65018 Pinkachu has been alerted of the situation and left a post on Doofenshmirtz95's talk page]. The plagiarized hasn't been removed yet, but as Pinkachu herself acknowledged that word-for-word plagiarism is against CC-BY-SA, it'll be removed soon (hopefully).--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:48, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
+:Pinkachu has removed the plagiarism. But we should her write directly on her message wall at the next time, that would be better. I had hoped that User Doofenshmirtz95 would be understand this. [[User:Pain88|Pain88]] ([[User talk:Pain88|talk]]) 21:08, 30 July 2018 (UTC)