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::::::Should the Wooden Keyblade get an infobox? And what about the Struggle Bats? Actually, Sora and Roxas can use those, so don't they have stats? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 10:06, 6 June 2015 (UTC) | ::::::Should the Wooden Keyblade get an infobox? And what about the Struggle Bats? Actually, Sora and Roxas can use those, so don't they have stats? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 10:06, 6 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
::::::::Struggle Bats should get infoboxes, but use the KHII weapon ones. I'm not sure if we've gotten their stats written down somewhere. Wooden Keyblade and stuff like that, I assumed we weren't doing because the original request was for an infobox for unboxxed Keychains.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:41, 6 June 2015 (UTC) | ::::::::Struggle Bats should get infoboxes, but use the KHII weapon ones. I'm not sure if we've gotten their stats written down somewhere. Wooden Keyblade and stuff like that, I assumed we weren't doing because the original request was for an infobox for unboxxed Keychains.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:41, 6 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::It's just that both the [[Wooden Sword]] and [[Wooden Stick]] have one, but that's because they're equippable. I'll go ahead and change the templates. The Unobtainable infobox can be removed now, right? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:48, 6 June 2015 (UTC) | :::::::::It's just that both the [[Wooden Sword]] and [[Wooden Stick]] have one, but that's because they're equippable. I'll go ahead and change the templates. The Unobtainable infobox can be removed now, right?<br>EDIT:I changed the templates except InfoKeyKHX, because it has a ton of | which need to be changed to <nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> and I'm currently not in the mood for it. I'll do it later, unless someone wants to do it for me... {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:48, 6 June 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::For Void Gear (and in fact, incomplete X-blade, Combined Keyblade portions, and MXK forms), I don't see the point of incorporating the infobox. As with LW's Ends of the Earth, and other Keyblades that appear in a game different than the one they are usable in, I think the gallery's fine -- certainly we use it for the Ultimania concept art to no ill effect (for that matter, the Combined Keyblade ''only'' has concept art, so should it really have an infobox at this point?). My personal PoV is that trying to mesh what is, for practical purposes, an in-game model to the stat-based infobox ''where not absolutely necessary'' is messy. | |||
:::::::::That being said, I've reverted the current inclusion of Void Gear because, at the very least, it's showing the wrong keychain. If consensus is that it gets re-implemented, then the coding will have to be fixed to address that.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
Sorry guys, had an upset stomach for a few days. But it looks like ya'll already took care of it. :) Awesome! | |||
:Oh, I uploaded Lea's keychain at the very least: http://www.khwiki.com/File:Lea%27s_Keyblade_Keychain_KH3D.png --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 03:58, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::So we should have only one image in the infobox? As for the concept art, there isn't a render available at the time, and I figured that it is better than nothing. When we do get a render, we can move the art back to the gallery. For Void Gear, you can use the keychain parameter to add a different image, but I don't think we have an image of Vanitas's keychain (and the Remnant's keychain is also black and white). | |||
::::::::::@Webber22: Where did you get that image? Because we need Keychain images for all KH3D Keyblades. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:04, 7 June 2015 (UTC):::::::: | |||
:::::::::::Lol, I just cropped it from the render we had. As for the rest of them, I think it's just a matter of time. Some folks over at XeNTaX have managed to crack the rom image but still working out some speed bumps. Now, I have a question about the Foreteller key blades....I think we're gonna need a new info box altogether for them? I tried making one yesterday and it was a total mess. --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 14:13, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::Oh, and of course, I still vote that we should remove Vanitas's Void Gear from the...erm, Void Gear page altogether and make a separate one. His variation is, if nothing else, at least unique enough for that. (Like the difference between Kingdom Key and Kingdom Key D...I guess?)--[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 14:15, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
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The Foreteller Keyblades will use InfoKeyKHX, but I need to make a few changes to it first. The difference between the Kingdom Key and Kingdom Key D is that they are two different Keyblades, while the Void Gear and Vanitas's Void Gear are the same. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:06, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:I'm not at all opposed to having more than one image in the infobox; it's more the issue of showing incomplete versions in the infobox. I don't want to eventually have the infobox include the incomplete Graveyard Sleeping Lion, the Soul Eater (on WttD), the incomplete KHX Lady Luck, or Data-Sora's shattered Data-Keyblade, that kind of thing. Clearly we have precedent to allow TVA-style Keychain variants, so I'd be happy enough incorporating the Foretellers into that. For Vanitas...erg. It would make sense to incorporate his version, Foreteller-style, but having a TVA tab and a Vanitas tab just feels inelegant to me, and it would beg us to also include stuff like: | |||
*Kingdom Key D (KH1 Mickey, KHCoM Mickey, KH3D Mickey) | |||
*Kingdom Key (KH1 Riku and Anti-Sora, KHCoM Zexion) | |||
*Destiny's Embrace (KH2 Riku and Kairi) | |||
*Earthshaker (KHBbS Mimic Master) | |||
*Ends of the Earth (KH2 Lingering Will) | |||
*Rainfell (KHBbS Mimic Master) | |||
*Stormfall (KH2 Aqua) | |||
*Wayward Wind (KHBbS Mimic Master) | |||
*Oblivion (KHD Riku and Anti-Riku) | |||
*Star Seeker (KHRec Mickey, KHBbS Mickey, KHX Mickey) | |||
*MX Keyblade (KHBbS No Heart and Terra-Xehanort) | |||
*Master's Defender (KHBbS Armor of Eraqus and Master Eraqus) | |||
*Starlight (KHX Ephemera) | |||
:We keep Vanitas's Void Gear in the gallery and we avoid ''all'' that. | |||
:I'm not strongly opposed to including the concept art, it just feels weird. I'd be happiest if the infobox simply didn't have an image until we had a render, but I have no desire to push that issue. | |||
:For Void Gear, the issue is that the sole time the Keychain's been identified by Nomura, he treated it as identical to the keychains the protagonists receive. Honestly, given the theme naming (which is shared with No Name and the whole No Heart thing), there's not much reason to assume that the "true name" of Vanitas's version ''is'' different. Kingdom Key and Kingdom Key D, on the other hand, have different pages not because of their graphical difference (after all, the KHBbS and KHX keychains all have graphical differences), but because the fiction explicitly identifies them as unique Keychains, names and all. If Nomura ever changes that, or even just says something like "they didn't receive Vanitas's keychain, they received one mimicking the Remnant's attempted mimicry", that would be enough to split, but until then, there's not really a good argument for it that wouldn't demand splitting all of Terra/Ventus/Aqua's variants or the KHX Keyblade enhancements.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:17, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
::I agree with keeping the Void Gear in the gallery, although in your examples above, the Keyblades all look the same as the obtained ones, while Vanitas's Void Gear has different colors. (And we already have KHD Riku's Oblivion in the infobox). | |||
::I finished the InfoKeyKHX template. Tabbing the images in the template itself will probably not fit, since the names are pretty long and there are five of them. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::Teeeeechnically, Anti-Sora's Kingdom Key and Anti-Riku's Oblivion, Riku/Kairi's Destiny's Embrace, and the KH2 Ends of the Earth and Stormfall differ in design.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||