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 It may be that Sora's memories are slow to return because the half of him that is Roxas is still lacking.</blockquote>
 :Bascially Roxas is Sora's body and soul (and Ven's heart) and Sora just a walking heart and incomplete until the beginning of KHII. --[[Special:Contributions/77.188.28.191|77.188.28.191]] 16:54, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
+== "Human form" nitpicking ==
+I was, as I'm sure many others have been, thrown off by this "pseudo-Heartless" ridiculousness claimed for Sora's state between regaining human form and Roxas rejoining him. From the quotes given in prior sections...
+:Indented line
+Axel: There was a time he became a Heartless. And if one becomes a Heartless---
+:Indented line
+Larxene: They lose their minds and their feelings... They're consumed by the darkness.
+:Indented line
+Axel: Right. But not Sora. He held on to his feelings, even as a Heartless. And there's only one other man who's been able to do just that.
+...
+:Indented line
+Likewise, Roxas is Sora's Nobody, but was left behind because Sora's Heartless regained human form using Kairi's heart instead of his own.
+:Indented line
+It may be that Sora's memories are slow to return because the half of him that is Roxas is still lacking.
+...
+:Indented line
+[insert Sora's "falling into darkness" lines from KH1 here]
+That last set used by Coco to argue that Sora's Heartless (as the playable Shadow) was a separate entity. While this Shadow form is generally agreed as an altered state, at least of what parts of Sora it concerns (though I'm still lost on how a Pureblood could contain a heart), I'm not sold on referring to Sora's human form as "Sora's Heartless's human form". The quotes above very easily suggest as much, especially in comparing him to "only one other man", here I'm presuming to be Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, who very much could be considered a "human form" and "a Heartless". But the language could also, if not with a bit of strain, read, "He held on to his feelings, even as a [Shadow] Heartless," and, "Sora's Heartless [reverted to being Sora] using Kairi's heart," though the latter has the condition of "as much of Sora as is available to be".
+Basically, that Sora (as Sora's Heartless) became Sora (as an incomplete being), rather than Sora's Heartless (as a Shadow) becoming Sora's Heartless (as a human). Is there anything more absolute in its wording, from an Ultimania or something, saying that the incomplete Sora from late KH1 to early KH2 is a Heartless? If not, I think the wiki's phrasing should be similarly indefinite, and/or at the least use the relevant quotes that have lead its editors to the current conclusion. [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] ([[User talk:TJF588|talk]]) 01:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)