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==After Days== | ==After Days== | ||
{{NitrousX|text=What do you think happened to the Organization XIII Moogle after the events of Days?}} | {{NitrousX|text=What do you think happened to the Organization XIII Moogle after the events of Days?}} | ||
IT BLEW UP AND DIED! Kidding, I don't know. Maybe it went back to the Orgy and we just don't see it again after that.--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 22:25, November 26, 2009 (UTC) | |||
{{NitrousX|text=How dark, Andie. I hope that he's the Moogle that lives in Twilight Town in KH2. In the Fanon I'm writing, I have Roxas and the Moogle reunite as friends after the events of KH2 (Roxas gets ressurected).}} | |||
== A Quote I need == | == A Quote I need == | ||
{{NitrousX|text=I really need some help here. Can someone tell me (word for word) what the Moogle in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days says after he and Roxas escape the Organization and return to Twilight Town. Something about missing his Munny. Please help!}} | {{NitrousX|text=I really need some help here. Can someone tell me (word for word) what the Moogle in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days says after he and Roxas escape the Organization and return to Twilight Town. Something about missing his Munny. Please help!}} | ||
How do you even get the Moogle to talk to you? Every time I go up to it, it says that it has new stuff to sell.--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 22:26, November 26, 2009 (UTC) | |||
{{NitrousX|text=To get him to say something different you have to either unlock Mickey or Sora, or talk to him right before you fight Xion for the first time}} | |||
I guess I have to unlock Mickey or Sora, because right before I fought Xion the first time he still said the good stuff thing.--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 22:34, November 26, 2009 (UTC) | |||
{{NitrousX|text=Oh... maybe it was a glitch. Ugh... I really wish someone knew that quote.}} | |||
I got it last night. | |||
"I couldn't let you leave the castle alone, kupo! Your munny always has a place in my pocket, kupo." [[Special:Contributions/24.184.119.6|24.184.119.6]] 16:15, January 24, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Holy crud! THANK YOU!!!!! --[[User:Nitrous X|Nitrous X]] 01:49, April 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Castle Oblivion == | |||
Don't Moogles also reside in Castle Oblivion? --{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 14:50, December 23, 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Moogles as D-Links? == | |||
Really? What powers do you get from using it?[[User:Keyblade474|Keyblade474]] 12:20, February 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Names == | |||
{{NitrousX|text=Moogles don't have names in this series, do they? Then why does it say "Mog" and "Elmina" appear in KH2???}} | |||
{{EO|time=00:01, February 22, 2010 (UTC)|text=That's because, if one looks carefully at the shops when they enter one, they'll see "Mog's Shop" in the far corner or something like that. Those are the names of the Moogles that run said shop. So yes, they are named.}} | |||
{{Uxie|time=08:00, April 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=It's true. I remember a Moogle named Artemicion being in [[Space Paranoids]]. (I don't know why Artemicion did not have her own [[Form:Space Paranoids|Data appearance]], while the Moogle in [[Timeless River]] had his own [[Retro Form]]. More confusing is that the Moogle in [[Halloween Town]] did not have it's own Halloween/Christmas form like [[Vampire Form|Sora]] [[Mummy Form|and]] [[Frankenstein Form|his]] [[Santa Form|friends]] [[Snowman Form|did]] [[Reindeer Form|there]]). | |||
Also, in the second trip to the [[Pride Lands]], you can't visit the Moogle there at all! When you reach the Oaises, you are warped back to Pride Rock after [[Simba]] rejoins the party. (I would go kill Heartless with [[Lucky Lucky]] equiped, until I have at least 50 of each, then once I have defeated [[Groundshaker]], I would give all of the loot to Artemicion in Space Paranoids!)}} | |||
== Original Character? == | |||
{{Organization 13|time=--[[User:Organization 13|Organization 13]] 22:08, May 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=I know that Moogles are Final Fantasy characters but is there any way the Organization XIII Moogle could be called an original character?}} | |||
Not really, they're still the same species, the only difference is this one's wearing clothes. | |||
ewwwww naked moogles O_o [[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 02:23, August 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Issues with article == | |||
*"Appearances" section should be reworked into "Story" | |||
**Needs to be in-universe (No "In Kingdom Hearts II", etc.) | |||
**"Furthermore, a Moogle falls on Donald Duck after completing Neverland." -- the Furthermore sounds ridiculous. | |||
**"An unnamed Moogle" -- Moogles, as a general rule, are unnamed. "Unnamed" should not be used as a descriptor, since it doesn't specify anything. Only the named ones should be called out. | |||
**"When Sora speaks to the Moogle in the First District in Traverse Town, it is revealed that Pinocchio enjoys ruffling the Moogles' pom-poms." -- change to "According to the Moogle in the First District[link], Pinocchio etc." | |||
**"—The Organization Moogle, quoting Xemnas when asked what its name is." -- change to, "The Moogle, channeling Xemnas." | |||
**"In Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, a Moogle appears in various locations throughout the worlds, always donning a Black Cloak." -- this is incorrect. It appears only at the Grey Room and the Station Plaza. | |||
**Each section should include a divved table, based on SorcererNobody's draft (as used on Avatar Menu) that details all the things the Moogle sells, synthesizes, or redeems. SN's draft has this done for Days already, I believe. | |||
***"In order to unlock The King and Sora for playability the Multiplayer Mode, they must be purchased from the Moogle." -- would be unnecessary. | |||
***The section should have a quick summary of the types of items that can be obtained from each method, if that is feasible. Something like what is done with [[Treasure Chest]]. | |||
**"While the Moogle appears to hold some relationship to Organization XIII, as exemplified by its black coat, it is unknown if it is affiliated with them. For example, the Moogle flees the Organization with Roxas, saying that he would miss all the munny he spends at his shop, seemingly more interested in simply collecting munny rather than serving Organization XIII." -- WRONG. | |||
***It clearly has a relationship, it is set up in their lounge. | |||
***This should be worded to focus more on that it does not ''serve Xemnas'', and instead followed its best Org. customer, Roxas, due to its love of munny. | |||
**"In Kingdom Hearts II, the Moogles use holograms to run their synthesis shops, except for Mog in Radiant Garden and Elmina in Twilight Town. According to Jiminy's Journal, it is because they hate getting their pom-poms ruffled." -- I believe Moogles have hologram shops in BbS, too, indicating that this is the natural way. This should be in the lead, with a direct citation to the Journal. Something like, "Moogles usually operate their shops on other worlds through hologram, as they dislike customers ruffling their Pom-poms." | |||
**"The Moogles also appear outside of synthesis shops as well. While on Destiny Islands, Selphie's purse has a Moogle clip attached to it. In addition, there is a special Gummi ship modeled after a Moogle." -- should be in other appearances, or something similar. | |||
*"Appearance" needs to be "Design", and should be combined with "Origin" | |||
*Party navbox should be removed. | |||
*World-based categories should be removed, since Moogles appear on pretty much all worlds. | |||
*We need a rip of the Moogle Gummi Ship | |||
*Dissidia section is missing mention of the Mognet, and we should see if the Mognet has references to the KHverse. | |||
{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:03, 30 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=12:47, 30 May 2011 (EDT)|videogame=Ok I did most of what I could. All that's left are: | |||
*"Appearances" section should be reworked into "Story" | |||
**I did what I could, but I'm not sure if it's considered as a story section. | |||
*Each section should include a divved table, based on SorcererNobody's draft (as used on Avatar Menu) that details all the things the Moogle sells, synthesizes, or redeems. SN's draft has this done for Days already, I believe. | |||
*The section should have a quick summary of the types of items that can be obtained from each method, if that is feasible. Something like what is done with [[Treasure Chest]]. | |||
*"Appearance" needs to be "Design", and should be combined with "Origin" | |||
**I kinda disagree with this. Moogles are alive, animate beings, and are considered characters, so you wouldn't 'design' a Moogle same way you wouldn't 'design' Axel. Also, I see no reason as to why Appearance (or Design if that fits your chiz) should be combined with Origin. | |||
*We need a rip of the Moogle Gummi Ship | |||
*Dissidia section is missing mention of the Mognet, and we should see if the Mognet has references to the KHverse.}} | |||
{{Xion4ever|time=20:38, 2 July 2011 (EDT)|talktext=''Each section should include a divved table, based on SorcererNobody's draft (as used on Avatar Menu) that details all the things the Moogle sells, synthesizes, or redeems. SN's draft has this done for Days already, I believe.'' | |||
You mean something like [http://www.khwiki.net/User:Xion4ever/Atelier#Moogle_Tables this]? EDIT: Sorceror Nobody has something similar to what we're looking for [http://www.khwiki.net/User:Xion4ever/Atelier#Moogle_Tables here].}} | |||
===Days table=== | |||
[[User:KrytenKoro/DaysMoogleShop]] | |||
== Shop Tables == | |||
Well I agree with their addition, I do not believe that the Moogle shop tables should not be added to the Moogle article. I feel a more suiting place for them would be the [[Moogle Shop]] article. To me, it just makes more sense to have the shop info in the shop article, and merely have a section on the Moogle page with a "Main Article:Moogle Shop". I'm really just assuming that the intention was to put them on this page as the above links were on the Moogle talk page. {{The Inexistentsig}} 15:35, 18 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
:The intention was to put them on this page because the story sections are basically summaries of the Moogle Shop. However, if someone wants to simplify those down and move the info to Moogle Shop, that's fine.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:49, 18 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Done, but some reformating is in order, if anyone has any suggestions. {{The Inexistentsig}} 16:50, 18 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
==FFXIII-2 Mog "Main Character"?== | |||
Why is FFXIII-2 Mog listed as a main character? He is a support character if we want to classify his role in the game. If he was the main character we would control him, and lots of the story would centre around him which in his case isn't.—[[User:Kaimi|Kaimi]] ([[User talk:Kaimi|talk]]) 20:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
:That's like saying Yeul isn't a main character. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 20:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
::For me "main characters", "protagonists", or how else you want to call them are ''playable'' characters. Yeul at best is to be called an important character.—[[User:Kaimi|Kaimi]] ([[User talk:Kaimi|talk]]) 07:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::Well, the important thing is that that is ''not'' the actual accepted definitions. The protagonist or main characters are those from whose viewpoints the story is told; Riku and Kairi are main characters in KHII because we are shown parts of the story from their PoV, even though we don't necessarily play as them. Playable characters are pretty much by definition protagonists/main characters, but it is not an identical concept.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Moogles Names == | |||
Some of the names on the KHII list are moogles from the final fantasy series, but don't have their own individual pages. (ie. Monty is a moogle in FFIX) However, their name does appear on the ff moogle page in some sections. Should the moogles who have a name that comes from ff but doesn't have an individual page on the ff wiki, be linked the section their name appears in on the moogle page on the ff wiki? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 19:07, 31 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Seems like the FF Wiki should create the respective redirects, but we can use piped links if that's not possible.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:01, 31 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
==x== | |||
in unchained, the Moogle builds a Moogle model gummi ship using leftover blocks from donald and goofys ship, then States that it will start setting up shops across the worlds, implying that Moogle are native to daybreak town. it's kind of a bootstrap paradox. {{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
:I think you're reading too much into it. This scene just reinforces the point that the Moogle is a greedy bastard who deserves no happiness. In [chi] the Moogle is responsible for almost every event. He wants honey, so he starts a "hunny" event, he wants flowers so he starts a flower event etc., just so you can trade these things in the conveniently called "trade shop" for stuff you find actually useful. The 1st Anniversary event was no different, most of the blocks you collected were actually for the Moogle who opened up new shop options every time you reached a goal. You needed to collect literally thousands upon thousand gummi blocks for him, while Goofy and Donald only required a fraction. In the end it was extremely satisfying to watch this scene. Try better next time Moogle. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 09:24, 13 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Ah. Well, we should still mention it on the [[Moogle Model]] page.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
==Capitalization== | |||
Quick question: Why are is the word "Moogle" capitalize? In the ''Final Fantasy'' series and in the KH series, the "M" in "moogles" are lowercased (see Jiminy's journal or any FF game). As such, shouldn't we lowercase it, as well?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Training Cup == | |||
The Flick Rush training cup's team owner is "Mog", implying that the Moogle who runs the tournament is Mog from KH2.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC) | |||