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**Of course I won't go alone against the wishes of two editors, but is not liking something really a good reason to not have it mentioned? I don't particularly like that Zexion and Marluxia got iced before Kingdom Hearts II, but I'm not just going to cut that info out of the articles. '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 23:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC) | **Of course I won't go alone against the wishes of two editors, but is not liking something really a good reason to not have it mentioned? I don't particularly like that Zexion and Marluxia got iced before Kingdom Hearts II, but I'm not just going to cut that info out of the articles. '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 23:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
***It's not a simple matter of liking, or in this case, not liking, something. For "Mansex", it just really doesn't contribute positively to the article. People are going to see it as really juvenile, and therefore see the article in a worse light. Besides, Marluxia and Zexion's deaths do not parallel the whole thing with "Mansex", because that's in-game information that cannot be argued against. [[User:DannyP|DannyP]] 04:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC) | ***It's not a simple matter of liking, or in this case, not liking, something. For "Mansex", it just really doesn't contribute positively to the article. People are going to see it as really juvenile, and therefore see the article in a worse light. Besides, Marluxia and Zexion's deaths do not parallel the whole thing with "Mansex", because that's in-game information that cannot be argued against. [[User:DannyP|DannyP]] 04:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
***{{Pokhmon|time=21:21, February 6, 2010 (UTC)| | ***{{Pokhmon|time=21:21, February 6, 2010 (UTC)|berserk=it is insanely childish if you think it should be on the site put it on your userpage }} | ||
{{Hotdragon|time=19:18, July 29, 2010 (UTC)|text=and why not erase this trivia??? It's like some people know that joke (not very funny).}} | |||
This discussion ended in 2007. you're three years late dude.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}19:22, July 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Enigmatic Soldier== | ==Enigmatic Soldier== | ||
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== True emotions == | == True emotions == | ||
Xemnas is said to be a "Special Nobody" (at least Nomura thinks so. Even the creator doesn't know!) | |||
and at the end The Superior joins himself with [[Kingdom Hearts | and at the end The Superior joins himself with [[Kingdom Hearts]] (whats left of it any way) and I'm betting that "Anger and Hate...are Supreme" comes from experience | ||
if xemnas didn.t gain emotions when he merged with kingdom hearts it never would have.incomplete heart is better than no heart at all | if xemnas didn.t gain emotions when he merged with kingdom hearts it never would have.incomplete heart is better than no heart at all | ||
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==I can't place in the language setting !== | ==I can't place in the language setting !== | ||
{{TNE|shocktext=I've noticed that [[Kingdom Hearts | {{TNE|shocktext=I've noticed that [[Kingdom Hearts]] has a dropdown menu in the sidebar that also leads to its German equivalent. Some command <nowiki>[[de:PAGENAME]]</nowiki> is required to activate it, I think. | ||
Now, I've almost finished editing the [http://fr.kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Xemnas French equivalent of the Xemnas article], and [[User:Unbirth]] will help me correct the grammar and all, if there are any anomalies. I'm not sure how to add on to the dropdown menu at the side. Worse still, when I type <nowiki>[[fr:Xemnas]]</nowiki> in the same fashion as done in the Kingdom Hearts article, it doesn't work ! | Now, I've almost finished editing the [http://fr.kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Xemnas French equivalent of the Xemnas article], and [[User:Unbirth]] will help me correct the grammar and all, if there are any anomalies. I'm not sure how to add on to the dropdown menu at the side. Worse still, when I type <nowiki>[[fr:Xemnas]]</nowiki> in the same fashion as done in the Kingdom Hearts article, it doesn't work ! | ||
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Trivia Snip: "...In the short cut-scene just after the laser dome attack Sora uses his and Riku's Keyblades in unison to snap Xemnas' spine and then impale his chest with a beam of light. However when the cut-scene ends Xemnas is still shown to be (barely) alive." | Trivia Snip: "...In the short cut-scene just after the laser dome attack Sora uses his and Riku's Keyblades in unison to snap Xemnas' spine and then impale his chest with a beam of light. However when the cut-scene ends Xemnas is still shown to be (barely) alive." | ||
A lot of this piece of "trivia" is erroneous and more graphic than the truth of it really is. | A lot of this piece of "trivia" is erroneous and more graphic than the truth of it really is. A beam of Light pierces him, he reels from it, and slowly disappates like the other Organization members did. Claiming it "snaps his spine and impales his chest" is both an incorrect retelling of the events and unnecessarily graphic, isn't it? Can someone edit this to make it more factual?[[Special:Contributions/203.205.125.204|203.205.125.204]] 13:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Flashpenny | That's what it looked like to me. For one Sora was bashing the heck out of him with the 2 Keyblades and looking at all that brute force unleashed, slamming dual Keyblades with that much strength against the back cannot be a good thing for the spine. However the chest impalement is true. Just play the game again or watch the video on [[Xemnas (Enemy)]]. The beam of light goes flying right through him. Impalement, last time I checked, is when something seriously, if not mortally, wounds someone by going right through a body part.}} | {{Flashpenny | That's what it looked like to me. For one Sora was bashing the heck out of him with the 2 Keyblades and looking at all that brute force unleashed, slamming dual Keyblades with that much strength against the back cannot be a good thing for the spine. However the chest impalement is true. Just play the game again or watch the video on [[Xemnas (Enemy)]]. The beam of light goes flying right through him. Impalement, last time I checked, is when something seriously, if not mortally, wounds someone by going right through a body part.}} | ||
Maybe, but Xemnas also gave Riku a few slugs across the jaw, which could have very likely broken it. | Maybe, but Xemnas also gave Riku a few slugs across the jaw, which could have very likely broken it. No one says jack about that. Why? Because there's no proof. Xemnas, Riku, and Sora, all beat the tar out of one another the entire fight. Stating that Xemnas' spine was "snapped" and he was "impaled" implicate a lot of highly debatable context, and I for one didn't hear the sound effect of a bone breaking. In reality, all we know is that Sora laid up on him, and he and Riku shot Xemnas with a piercing burst of Light. Why add in details which only paint a violent picture when one isn't necessary, or confirmed to have happened? Facts over speculation, says I. [[Special:Contributions/203.105.95.93|203.105.95.93]] 08:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
Can Nobodies (or any disney character) be said to ''have'' spines? | Can Nobodies (or any disney character) be said to ''have'' spines? | ||
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{{NinjaSheik|text=Just leave it be.}} | {{NinjaSheik|text=Just leave it be.}} | ||
Actually, anon brings up a good point. | Actually, anon brings up a good point. Heartless and Nobodies already lack body parts, either physical or metaphorically. How are we to know that Nobodies aren't simply made of lingering sentiments of their original individuals and a whole lotta living Nothingness? There's nothing that says their are physically human under the skin.[[Special:Contributions/203.105.95.93|203.105.95.93]] 06:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{NinjaSheik|text=Good point.}} | {{NinjaSheik|text=Good point.}} | ||
I got really annoyed fighting Xemnas. You fight him twice, then twice again as armour, then as a dragon. Why can't he just die?([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 21:07, April 15, 2010 (UTC)) | |||
==What happened?== | ==What happened?== | ||
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Do you know anything about BBS?[[User:Redeemer & Destroyer|Redeemer & Destroyer]] 20:46, February 7, 2010 (UTC) | Do you know anything about BBS?[[User:Redeemer & Destroyer|Redeemer & Destroyer]] 20:46, February 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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"I've been to see him. He looks a lot like you." | |||
Xemnas to Roxas at the Dark Margin [[Special:Contributions/97.81.45.56|97.81.45.56]] 01:39, 8 February 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander | |||
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{{Falcon|text=Has anyone noticed in Days, when Roxas goes into a coma, when Saix and Xemnas talk about him in Roxas's room that after Saix leaves(too much backstory!! =P), Xemnas says to Roxas(or himself) "So, you have fallen to sleep yet again..." or something resembling that. Don't you think that that's actually Terra talking about Ventus?}} | {{Falcon|text=Has anyone noticed in Days, when Roxas goes into a coma, when Saix and Xemnas talk about him in Roxas's room that after Saix leaves(too much backstory!! =P), Xemnas says to Roxas(or himself) "So, you have fallen to sleep yet again..." or something resembling that. Don't you think that that's actually Terra talking about Ventus?}} | ||
:Seems like it, but Terra lost his body before he could see Ven lose his heart, and even after when the new Xehanort met Aqua, the latter nerver mentioned Ven to him. Either Xemnas was able to come to the conclusion of Ven's fate or there is a slight plot hole. --Evnyofdeath 00:54, October 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Consumed By Darkness == | == Consumed By Darkness == | ||
Is it possible that due to the possession of Master Xehanort, and the locking of Xehanort's heart, master Xehanort's personality completely overwhelmed Terra's, essentailly turning what rightfully should have been Terra's nobody into Xehanort's nobody? And shouldn't Eraqus and master Xehanort both be nobodies? after all, both dissoved into the "I lost my heart" sparkles. [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 04:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC) | Is it possible that due to the possession of Master Xehanort, and the locking of Xehanort's heart, master Xehanort's personality completely overwhelmed Terra's, essentailly turning what rightfully should have been Terra's nobody into Xehanort's nobody? And shouldn't Eraqus and master Xehanort both be nobodies? after all, both dissoved into the "I lost my heart" sparkles. [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 04:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Kingdom Hearts == | |||
{{LCCH|text=Is it possible to view, but not fight, Xemnas in the original? Sort of like you saw Roxas in II, but you got to fight him in FM?}} | |||
== Desperation attack == | |||
What is said for his D.A... is it true? I thought it was "Can you spare a heart?"[[User:Lord Captain Cecil Harvey|Lord Captain Cecil Harvey]] 01:49, April 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I don't think that counts as his Desperation Attack. He does say that during that specific attack where you have an opportunity to play as Riku, but still. His real Desperation Attack, I believe is his Final Attack, where he summons those laser-like projectiles and attacks Sora and Riku with them, where he says "There's no such thing as light". [[User:Hyper Zander|Hyper Zander]] 11:56, May 22, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Powers == | |||
When does he uses Roxas's power over light?[[User:Innosense|Innosense]] 02:02, April 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{Chitalian8|time=13:24, June 20, 2010 (UTC)|text= Xemnas uses those snowflake-laser things, those are light attacks.}} | |||
== Xemnas in Knight Armor == | |||
{{SLH|time= 23:15, May 1, 2010 (UTC)|happy= Does anyone else think that Xemnas' armor(during the final battles in KH2) is reminiscent of Terra's Armor? If so, could I put it in the trivia section?}} | |||
{{LapisScarab|time=23:19, May 1, 2010 (UTC)|skinny=To be honest, I don't see any resemblance whatsoever.}} | |||
{{SLH|time=23:23, May 1, 2010 (UTC)|happy= Of course you don't. No one ever sees the connections I suggest, bununsa-bonanza, oh well. :p}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|It's certainly a reference to Terra's armor, but it doesn't actually look like it much at all. Xemnas's armor is clearly meant to resemble a king (very visible in the control art), while Terra's armor looks almost like Anubis.}} | |||
== random == | |||
just a random thought does anyone know that if you rearrange XEMNAS's name it becomes | |||
" MAN SEX " | |||
Everyone's known that for, like, four years now. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 11:10, May 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
<big>I did not know that. That is disgusting.--[[User:Auror Andrachome|Auror. plus the great Andrachome]] 11:26, May 18, 2010 (UTC)</big> | |||
Nomura's a sick sick person.[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 18:46, August 4, 2010 (UTC) | |||
No, actually, the people who came up with that anagram are sick, sick people. Nomura had nothing to do with it. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 18:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I was just joking dude haha chill out.[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 19:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== "Just call me Raxert" == | |||
Since we now know that "Xehanort" is actually Terra, albeit infected by Master Xehanort, doesn't that technically mean that Xemnas is composed of ''Terra's'' body and soul, and is therefore ''Terra's'' Nobody? {{User:Sorceror Nobody/Sig|16:55, May 23, 2010 (UTC)}} | |||
I personally don't think that it's Terra's body and ''soul''. The body part is kind of feasable (If that's how it's spelt), but Terra's soul, as far as I remember from what I read, was transferred into Terra's Armour which then became the Lingering Sentiment. I suppose he ''could'' be Terra's Nobody, but seeing as Master Xehanort was in control of the body at the time his Heartless and Nobody were created, and he was going under the name Xehanort (Or Ansem, as his alias, I expect, would have been at the time of Xemnas' creation), I doubt he is. [[User:Hyper Zander|Hyper Zander]] 17:05, May 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{No.1xemnas|zexion=I agree.I think its most unlikely for terra's soul to be xemnas's Somebody. If terra ''was'' Xehanort, i doubt he would have chosen the name "ansem" before ''his'' nobody, Xemnas, was created.though it wasnt ''his'' Nobody.}} | |||
== Imposter? == | |||
{{One-Winged Angel|time=16:49 June 15, 2010|grd=http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj210/phantomhourglassds/xemnas_bbs.jpg}} | |||
Even though he does resemble Xemnas quite strongly through his battle stance (Very slightly), his blue Ethereal Blade... things, and the brief attack movements we saw in the trailer, we don't know if it is a Xemnas imposter. Heck, we don't even know if he's even a Org. XIII ''member''. After all, I don't think the Organization even existed at this time, and they aren't the only ones to wear the Black Coats, as even Master Xehanort would wear one at the time (as seen at the start of BbS). [[User:Hyper Zander|Hyper Zander]] 22:21, June 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Who is that? The person above me mentions a trailer, but which one? --Evnyofdeath 23:03, June 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{One-Winged Angel|time=16:21 June 16, 2010|grd=The E3 Trailer}} | |||
We talked in other Forums a lot about him, and finally, we think he's the nobody of MX. [[User:Zyrax|Zyrax]] 00:22, August 15, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Anyone notice the Unversed symbols on his hand? | |||
It's most like (I.M.O.) That Xemnas is Terra's body with MX's memory, so this guy is the opposite, just with the same powers. | |||
It's not Xemnas, but he looks just like xemnas and fights like him. (similar too roxas/Sora/ven) Think about it. He has same fighting style, same weapons but different color, can duplicate himself. The only villians who can ake full copies of themselves are larxene and Xemnas. my theory it's Master Xehanorts unbirth before he became Ansem the SoD. | |||
:What fighting style have we seen? And his weapons have a different shape, too.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 02:47, August 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Keyblade? == | |||
Is it just me or.... should Xemnas have a Keyblade, seeing as Terra is his somebody and Xemnas got back all of his memories, as Terra, Xehanort and Master Xehanort. or he can't because he needs to have Terra's Soul, which resides in Lingering Sentiment? Anybody have a good theory?--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 22:42, July 5, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman | |||
A talk page isn't a place for you to put theories. It's supposed to be about improving the article. Make a forum if you want theories.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}22:46, July 5, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Sorry, i got confused seeing how im not on this site too much and people are always posting theories on the Talk Pages.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 22:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman | |||
Fair enough. That's something we're trying to keep in check by moving unnecessary sections to forums.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}22:56, July 5, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{Pjk777|time=[[User:Pjk777|The Oblivion Keeper, PJK777]] 04:02, September 19, 2010 (UTC)|text= Well, in the [[Director's Secret Report XIII]], it talks about Xemnas being a special nobody like Roxas. Then if you add the fact that he had 3 somebody's that could wield keyblades (Terra, Master Xehanort, and Master Eraqus), isn't it safe to assume Nomura is implying Xemnas is a keyblade wielding nobody? Can we even just make a point about all this in the trivia section?}} | |||
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==weapon confusion== | |||
many people get confused between a lightsaber and his weapon in fact i went on google images and typed darth vader vs xennmas and it showed pics on vader vs xennmas but it wasnt a lighsaber it's an ethreal blade thats why riku wasnt disected.{go to my talk page to see many poles}[[Special:Contributions/65.32.75.73|65.32.75.73]] 22:43, August 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Trivia Section== | |||
{{Disneyvillainman|text= In the trivia section, it says: | |||
"Strangely enough, immediately before the first battle with Xemnas in his armor, we see Kairi and King Mickey locked outside Kingdom Hearts, but that same battle is one of the only battles where King Mickey can save Sora if he is defeated." | |||
I really don't think this bit of trivia belongs on this page. Isn't in more of a trivia for his boss battle and therefore shouldn't it be on his boss page? | |||
EDIT: Since no one has anything to say on the matter, I'm going ahead with it.}} | |||
==Appearance V2== | |||
First of all, his hairstyle does not resemble Xehanort's more than "Ansem"'s resembles Xehanort's. If you take a look at the two parts of Xemnas' and Ansem's somebody (Terra and Master Xehanort), Xemnas obviously looks more like Terra...His hair is layered like Terra and the hair comes around his face like Terra. Now, I know they are not exactly the same hairstyles, but come on, Xemnas looks much more like Terra than Xehanort. On the other side, Ansem obviously looks more like a young MX (his hairstyle at least...that includes Xehanort's hairstyle which is the EXACT same as Ansem, save the spike on Xehanort's head and the bangs, which obviously are derived from partly from Terra and a young MX) than he does Terra. Both Xemnas' and Ansem's appearance sections should really be changed, or just have the mention of resemblance to other characters removed, unless some one has a good citation. Because, otherwise it's just speculation and biased opinions. I don't want to get in an "edit war" with anyone so I won't change the pages, I just can't see how you can look at Xemnas' hair style and thing Xehanort over Terra. Can someone please weigh in on the subject? {{User:Lapidothtill/Sig}} 04:34, October 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I agree that it's too subjective. Honestly I see Xehanort, not Terra. Terra just doesn't have the same bangs. But agreed; too subjective to draw fair comparisons in the articles. <span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 2px #000000;">[[ [[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">So</span><span style="color: #CC0000;">x</span><span style="color: #FFC000;">ra</span>]] ]]</span> 04:44, October 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{LapisScarab|time=05:17, October 19, 2010 (UTC)|text=Alright, let's sift through these annoyingly similar characters a point at a time. | |||
*Apprentice Xehanort and Young MX - They both have the thin bangs frmaing their face, but Young MX has two on each side as opposed to Apprentice Xehanort's one. Young MX onle has the one "shark fin" on the top of his head, and lacks the two side spikes on either side of his head that Apprentice Xehanort has. | |||
*Ansem and Xehanort - Ansem resembles both Xehanorts (but particularly Apprentice Xehanort) in that he has the three "shark fins", but lacks their bangs. | |||
*Xemnas and Xehanort - Again, he resembles both of them. He has three bangs on either side of his face, a la Young MX's two. He has three "shark fins" like Apprentice Xehanort. His hair is layered like Terra ''and'' Young MX. Saying he looks like Terra or Apprentice Xehanort is pretty much the same thing, since they're literally the same body. | |||
*Xemnas and Terra - His hair is layered, a trait shared with Young MX. His three-per-side bangs are vaguely reminiscent of Terra's thicker bangs, but are more closely related to Young and MX and Apprentice Xehanort's thinner ones. His hair is wilder, like Terra's. He retains Terra's "shark fin", but also has Apprentice Xehanort's side spikes, which terra did not have. | |||
Overall, I'm seeing much more resemblance to Xehanort than Terra.}} | |||
{{Lapidoth|text=Fair enough, but I still see a Xemnas/Terra correlation rather than Xemnas/Xehanort. Obviously, Xemnas is going to have some traits that resemble Xehanort, but let me clarify why I see what I see. | |||
*Xehanort, Ansem, and young MX have is sort of slicked back, greaser look. Although, they do have their own differing hair spikes. As well as their long hair that streaks down their backs. | |||
*Xemnas also has these quasi "shark fins", as does Terra, who has a singular one atop his head. I think we did agree that Xemnas' three shark fins look like Terra's one does, more than Xehanort's hair spikes. | |||
*Xemnas' hair is also layered like Terra's. This is the real reason I can't see Xehanort. Although, Xemnas does have the thin "bangs" and Terra doesn't. Like you said, his bangs derive more from a young MX. | |||
*Even if you don't agree with above points, there's still the issue of Ansem. Doesn't Ansem look like Xehanort ''MORE'' than Xemnas? Like I said earlier, Ansem's hair is the ''exact'' same as Xehanort, save the bangs and the top hair spike. | |||
*So, I said all that to say this, Ansem and Xemnas both take traits from Xehanort. Who in turn takes his physical attributes from Terra and young MX. Xehanort splits these attributes evenly. My view is Xemnas takes ''more'' after Terra, even though, he does take from young MX. Ansem takes ''more'' from young MX than he does Terra, although, he also takes from Terra. | |||
*Finally, if no one agrees with me, keep the sections as they are. Or, we can simply clarify that both take certain and different characteristics from Xehanort, Terra, and Young Master Xehanort, respectively. I think we can all agree about that. (Also, does Young MX have layered hair? Because when I was playing through BBS, I didn't really notice that, but then again I wasn't really looking for it either.)}} | |||
== correction == | |||
terra and master xehanort were the two FORMS that made his original persona: this goal stems for one of his original forms, master xehanort and change the section title of coded into Re:coded, thanks. | |||
==Heart?== | |||
When Sora became a nobody, Roxas kept Ventus' heart. So is there a possibility that Xemnas kept the heart of Terra or Eraqus? [[User:LightRoxas|<span style="color:#00ced1">'''''Light'''''</span>]][[User_talk:LightRoxas|<span style="color:#2f4f4f">'''''Roxas'''''</span>]] 22:20, December 15, 2010 (UTC) | |||
No because you are missing the point.Its because Vens heart was with Soras thats why when he became a heartless is moved on to Roxas.That explains his emotions and why he looks like him.As for Xemnas he has the soul and the body of Terra.But he has no heart.He already said it and even shown he feels no emotion.He has no heart at all.Ok Terras heart and Eraqus heart are somewhere in the darkness.While Ansem has MXs heart.That explains why is wearing the same outfit as MX.MXs heart took over Terras body and soul.So when Terra plunged himself he destroyed his own heart and Eraqus.But Mxs heart still stayed within him.Seen how his heartless looks like MX and acts a whole lot like him.So heres what you get: | |||
Terra = His Body Soul and Heart(MX And Eraqus). | |||
New Xeahnort = Terras Soul body and MXs heart. | |||
Ansem seeker of darkness = MXs Heart gobbled in Darkness | |||
Xemnas = Terras Soul and Body | |||
Lingering Sentinent = Terras mind and emotions.As Stated by MX Your body is mine but why does your mind resist?Also seeing it has emotions and memories.{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2}} 21:53, December 21, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{LightRoxas|lucky=That's not the way I understand it, though. The new Xehanort was composed of MX, Terra's, and Eraqus' hearts. And, like Sora, he willingly gave his heart to darkness. So his heart, the ruling heart, the heart of MX, became Ansem SOD. But the body was left behind, and with it, the hearts of Terra and Eraqus and the soul of MX should have been left also. Just like Sora's body was left behind with his soul and Ven's heart.}} | |||
{{LyingMemories|time=03:25, December 25, 2010 (UTC)|xigbar= Lssj4, no offense but I really couldn't understand your point. The sentences were a bit.... jumbled around. Still, I'm not trying to be a douche to you. Just saying. As for the topic itself: No not really. when Terranort succumbed to the darkness and spawned "Ansem"/Xemnas, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong anyone) that what happened was in that instant, Master Xehanort took full control and thus Ansem is born, the living yet nonliving darkened heart. Xemnas though, is just a bunch of memories coupled with the leftover body and soul, and as such he has no heart. Nobodies have no emotions, save for Axel, Roxas, Namine, and possibly Xion. Terra's heart and Eraqus' heart are, as far as I know, in that limbo state of being. Idk maybe I'm wrong, in which case I hope someone tells me where.}} | |||
== Dream Drop Distance Appearance == | |||
I'm really surprised that nobody has added that he is in KH3D's trailer. I would but I don't have an account and don't want one right now. So someone should put that Sora faces Xemnas in Traverse town according to Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance's trailer. Also someone might want to add this to Ansem, Seeker of Darkness's page with Riku instead of Sora, and Xemnas with his Heartless counterpart. Just throwing that out there. [[Special:Contributions/108.9.87.252|108.9.87.252]] 22:36, January 19, 2011 (UTC) | |||
==Source?== | |||
We need the source for this line: "''A screenshot from the March 22, 2012 issue of ''Famitsu'' suggests that Xemnas will serve as a boss for Sora.''" [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 08:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Terra-Xehanort== | |||
Since it is stated in DDD that Xemnas has a piece of Master Xehanort's heart inside him, that technically means that he is still Terranort, since thay are both Terra's body + Xehanort's heart. | |||
:Except Terra-Xehanort contains also Terra's heart, as well, and it does not state that for Xemnas, only for the other members.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Actually they do state that Xemnas in DDD carries a piece of Xehanort's heart, as he is one of the 13, but your right, Terranort also carries Terra's heart and Eraqus' heart... | |||
::Yeah, I think the anon is right - I'm pretty sure Xemnas says he had a heart the entire time. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 20:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::"Each individual was different, but some of us had hearts being born inside us." is not the same as "All of us had a piece of Xehanort's heart." They do say "All of them...Xehanort?", but since Xemnas would already be Xehanort...yeah.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::Actually it is mentioned that they need 13 Hearts of Darkness and Xemnas is one of them, meaning he has a heart P.S. i do have an account I just forgot the password. | |||
::::So should we fuse Xemnas and Terranort? | |||
:::::Fusion would be ''way'' too far. They are separate characters, and Xemnas is still Xemnas regardless of whether he has a heart currently, has always had a heart, or is completely devoid of any heart. He lacks the hearts of Terra and Eraqus, so he is '''not''' Terra-Xehanort, no doubt about it. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 19:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Gallery or Forms == | |||
In my opinion, the section called Gallery should not be called so. We already have a page named Gallery:Xemnas, so that section on the main Xemnas page is unneeded. What the section actually should be called is Forms, seeing as it shows Xemnas in two different forms. This should go for many other pages as well. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] 11:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Keyblade == | |||
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:23, 18 June 2012 (UTC)|xion=why does xemnas not have a keyblade when his original persona does. I thought that was how Roxas had a keyblade even though he was a nobody.}} | |||
{{ErryTalk|time=18:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC)|bayonetta=He probably has one but he prefers not to use it... at least that's what I'm assuming. Plus, you'd need a heart to wield a Keyblade, and with Roxas's situation, he had Ventus's heart. Xion only can wield the Keyblade due to being a replica of Sora.}} | |||
== DDD glitch - has anyone else seen this!? == | |||
Ok this is crazy. So I was fighting Xemnas in DDD, and he fell off of the building past the invisible barrier, about a minute passed, then he respawned or something at the top, and fell back down onto the building. Has anyone else ever encountered this bug? [[Special:Contributions/166.137.88.17|166.137.88.17]] 22:54, 14 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
:I think I have, yeah, but it was a long time ago.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Transcription of Princesses' comments before Unknown fight == | |||
*'''Jasmine:''' "We could suppress the power if it were the darkness. But this is different. It's a force unlike the darkness..." | |||
*'''Snow White:''' "There's an ominous presence beyond the gate. | |||
*'''Alice:''' "What is this feeling? It's different from the darkness... Be careful, Sora!" | |||
*'''Cinderella:''' "Could the appearance of that gate be a bad omen?" | |||
*'''Aurora:''' "I sense a presence coming from that gate... But it's not the darkness. It's another power altogether." | |||
If anybody cares. [[User:Pink Agaricus|Pink Agaricus]] ([[User talk:Pink Agaricus|talk]]) 09:51, 16 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
== All-Vanity == | |||
is based on Omnia Vanitas, "All is vanity", from Ecclesiastes. Should probably be mentioned somewhere, like etymology.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} | |||
That's fine.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
==Keyblade Armor== | |||
Xemnas uses Keyblade Armor in KH2. Doesn't that confirm that he has the ability to wield a Keyblade? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 10:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Has it ever been called Keyblade Armor? I think it's just regular armor. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 22:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:When was it ever said that you ''need'' a Keyblade to wear Keyblade Armor? Far as I can tell, it just seems like an accessory. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 04:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
Was it not Xemnas' Keyblade Armor? Looks exactly like it, so I always assumed that it was. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 23:45, 5 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:It's not ''explicitly'' called Keyblade Armor, so we can't make that claim. It's pretty clear it is, though.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:31, 6 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
==Source?== | |||
What's the source for this information?: <br/> | |||
"and retreats into the broken Kingdom Hearts", <br/> | |||
"Xemnas's "The World of Nothing", a pocket dimension presided over by a massive, weaponized construct which has absorbed the remainder of The World That Never Was." <br/> | |||
--[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 07:43, 6 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:"The World of Nothing" is the name of the set of rooms in which the final battle with Xemnas takes place. It's in the game-coding, but only visible by using a room-mod code. That the dragon has abosrbed the rest of TWTNW is based on the visuals of the battle, where the dragon and its base are made of Dark City/TCTNW.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:00, 6 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::What's the source for Xemnas retreating into the broken Kingdom Hearts and what's the source for it being a pocket dimension? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::"Mickey: Kingdom Hearts... / Riku: Let's go. Xemnas must be inside." Key word being "inside", not "on the other side".{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:22, 7 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::I'm pretty sure they were just talking about inside the door, not inside Kingdom Hearts. I've never heard someone say "let's go to the other side of that door", I've only heard people say "let's go inside that door". I guess you can interpret it either way, but I don't quite see how "Let's go. Xemnas must be inside" equals "Xemnas has gone inside his Kingdom Hearts which is inside a pocket dimension." --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 01:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::I've heard "let's go through the door", not "inside" it. The game itself says "The Final Door: Xemnas, the last member of Organization XIII, vanished '''through''' | |||
the final door". In addition, when they defeat Xemnas on the other side of the door, they reappear back outside the door, where they started, which wouldn't make a ton of sense if they had simply gone to a different location and would, presumably, not get automatically cast ''back'' through the door if it was just a regular physical place -- when Sora went through the door at the end of End of the World, which took him to a different location, and that world collapsed, he ended up in a new place close to the collapsed location, rather than being cast back through the door. The fact that it's called "inside", and that they are expelled after Xemnas is weakened, strongly implies it's an inner world created by Xemnas -- just like TWTNW was in the first place, or what they do in KH3D with the nesting TWTNW dreams. | |||
::::::It makes more sense if it's an inner world, similar to the Dive to the Heart, whose "physical" location is inside the Kingdom Hearts that Xemnas merged with.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:34, 9 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Title == | |||
Just for posterity, KHUX has made "Superior of the In-Between" the official, complete title. It's no longer just our translation.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:It's been official since Days 1.5 opening... ''[[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]]'' '''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]''' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 16:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
::Oh, well then fuck me. LOL.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
== [[Gazing Eye]] == | |||
Well, we finally have a good reason why Terra-Xehanort may have purposefully chosen not to summon his Keyblade, given it has the Gazing Eye on it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:36, 18 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:I don't see how it relates. Like, what does the Master of Masters being able to foresee affect? Xemnas would have no reason to fear him, since he wouldn't even have a reason to assume he's alive. Also, Nomura confirmed on January 12's Famitsu that the Master of Masters won't be in KHIII (or even KHUX season 2. We'll probably only see him again in the next saga, as there's hints KHUX will connect to it somehow unless Nomura wants to make him a perpetual mystery), so I'm not really sure if that being the reason would actually affect the plot in any way. | |||
:The most accepted theory I've seen is that Xemnas had to hide he was a Keyblade wielder from the Organization, or else they would question why they needed 13 members and the last one had to be a wielder if Xemnas could simply complete Kingdom Hearts by himself. {{User:G-SANtos/Sig}} 02:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
::If Terra was aware of the purpose of the eye, he may have tried to suppress its use -- or maybe Xehanort himself is rebelling against the Master in some ways. However, that's just a theory I've seen making the rounds.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Xehanort's Soul == | |||
It took Ansem and Xemnas being destroyed for Master Xehanort to be re-completed, Xemnas would only be needed for the re-completion if he possessed one of Xehanort's attributes, Ansem had the heart and Xemnas had Terra's body, not Xehanort's, so Xemnas must possess Xehanort's soul. Thus, Xemnas having Xehanort's soul should be on the page I feel. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 19:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:I get where you're coming from but adding that would be speculation as it's not confirmed. Souls also isn't really a thing in KH. - {{User:JTD95/Signature}} | |||
::Wasn't it said that when a person split the Heart went to the Heartless while the Body and Soul went to the Nobody? --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 22:07, 14 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::Checked with what the Nobody page on the wiki said and you're right. I guess due to the soul part hardly being mentioned it's easy to forget about. I'm still unsure though of whether we can prove that Xemnas has Xehanort's soul. ~ - {{User:JTD95/Signature}} 22:42, 14 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::Well he needs to have a component of Xehanort to be necessary for re-completion, and the only one he could possibly have is his soul. Wouldn't that logic be proof enough? --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 22:54, 14 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::::In my eyes, logic and speculation are the same thing when it comes to the Kingdom Hearts series. I once tried to use logic in a discussion, back before I was even a user. It didn't go too well. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 06:16, 15 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::::Same here. It makes sense to me, which means it's probably non-canonical.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:25, 15 March 2019 (UTC) | |||