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:::Considering Xion was created before the Riku Replica in Castle Oblivion, I can't agree that she's what Marluxia is referring to here. I can see why you might think that, but can't agree. - [[User:Truthful-Sentiment|Truthful-Sentiment]] ([[User talk:Truthful-Sentiment|talk]]) 10:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC) | :::Considering Xion was created before the Riku Replica in Castle Oblivion, I can't agree that she's what Marluxia is referring to here. I can see why you might think that, but can't agree. - [[User:Truthful-Sentiment|Truthful-Sentiment]] ([[User talk:Truthful-Sentiment|talk]]) 10:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC) | ||
::::''"In my work on the Replica Program for the Organization, I produced some twenty vessels. Most of the early results were failures, not one of them granted a number. The first success to emerge from that early lot was the Riku replica. '''Subsequently''', Xion (No. i) was essentially indistinguishable from a natural human, though she became unstable due to the influence of others."'' | ::::''"In my work on the Replica Program for the Organization, I produced some twenty vessels. Most of the early results were failures, not one of them granted a number. The first success to emerge from that early lot was the Riku replica. '''Subsequently''', Xion (No. i) was essentially indistinguishable from a natural human, though she became unstable due to the influence of others."'' | ||
::::Marluxia is talking about Xion. That's not me "thinking that", that's what the game makes absolutely clear. I'm unclear where you got the idea that Xion was created ''after'' Riku Replica, as even in Days Vexen states she is his finest Replica, and the first one ''to gain number status''.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC) | ::::Marluxia is talking about Xion. That's not me "thinking that", that's what the game makes absolutely clear. I'm unclear where you got the idea that Xion was created <s>''after''</s>''before'' Riku Replica, as even in Days Vexen states she is his finest Replica, and the first one ''to gain number status''.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC) | ||
:::::I actually said that Xion was created ''before'', not after. I still feel inclined to think that Marluxia was referring to a new replica rather than Xion, as it seems like an odd way to refer to her in this context. I don't think it's absolutely clear, if something can be interpreted two different ways. Either way, I'm sorry if I came off as rude; I had no intention of doing so. - [[User:Truthful-Sentiment|Truthful-Sentiment]] ([[User talk:Truthful-Sentiment|talk]]) 22:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC) | :::::I actually said that Xion was created ''before'', not after. I still feel inclined to think that Marluxia was referring to a new replica rather than Xion, as it seems like an odd way to refer to her in this context. I don't think it's absolutely clear, if something can be interpreted two different ways. Either way, I'm sorry if I came off as rude; I had no intention of doing so. - [[User:Truthful-Sentiment|Truthful-Sentiment]] ([[User talk:Truthful-Sentiment|talk]]) 22:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC) | ||
::::::Sorry, I mistyped that. I'm unsure where you got the idea that Xion was created before Riku Replica.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:05, 4 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
Ultimania confirms that it is the time-traveling heart of the Riku Replica from after it was first made, in a new body. Whether that makes it a new being entirely or not is up to interpretation, I guess. Given that it is continually called Dark Riku in all material, including the game and the Ultimania, I'd say it's considered a separate being, but we should be upfront that it is a time traveling heart of the Replica, not of Riku. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 18:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC) | Ultimania confirms that it is the time-traveling heart of the Riku Replica from after it was first made, in a new body. Whether that makes it a new being entirely or not is up to interpretation, I guess. Given that it is continually called Dark Riku in all material, including the game and the Ultimania, I'd say it's considered a separate being, but we should be upfront that it is a time traveling heart of the Replica, not of Riku. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 18:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC) | ||
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::I think it's easier if we split characters if they are around at the same time. Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort are both around at the same time in KH3, so we split them. Same with Riku Replica and Dark Riku. KH3 Ansem and KH1 Ansem are never around at the same time, so we don't split them. Same for Xemnas, Xion, and Vanitas. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC) | ::I think it's easier if we split characters if they are around at the same time. Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort are both around at the same time in KH3, so we split them. Same with Riku Replica and Dark Riku. KH3 Ansem and KH1 Ansem are never around at the same time, so we don't split them. Same for Xemnas, Xion, and Vanitas. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC) | ||
:::Wouldn't Xion still exist, though? She had her true heart in Sora, and her fake heart in the Replica.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC) | :::Wouldn't Xion still exist, though? She had her true heart in Sora, and her fake heart in the Replica.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC) | ||
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Dark Riku has been used throughout the series to refer to Riku under Ansem's possession from KH1, and was likely used for this form of Riku Replica as the game initially wants you to think he is that Ansem-possessed Riku. I suggest renaming this page to "Dark Riku (Replica)" or "Dark Riku Replica". --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 10:44, 1 March 2019 (UTC) | Dark Riku has been used throughout the series to refer to Riku under Ansem's possession from KH1, and was likely used for this form of Riku Replica as the game initially wants you to think he is that Ansem-possessed Riku. I suggest renaming this page to "Dark Riku (Replica)" or "Dark Riku Replica". --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 10:44, 1 March 2019 (UTC) | ||