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[[Special:Contributions/72.184.129.252|72.184.129.252]] 23:18, December 2, 2009 (UTC) | [[Special:Contributions/72.184.129.252|72.184.129.252]] 23:18, December 2, 2009 (UTC) | ||
I think so, too.-- | I think so, too.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:19, December 2, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Other Details == | == Other Details == | ||
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They have separate logos though. Tryin' to be specific here. Shinra isn't mentioned in KH anyway [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 08:09, December 3, 2009 (UTC) | They have separate logos though. Tryin' to be specific here. Shinra isn't mentioned in KH anyway [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 08:09, December 3, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{ | {{Malevolence Crystalised|time= oh life...--[[User:Malevolence Crystalised|Malevolence Crystalised]] 08:11, December 3, 2009 (UTC)|text= Let's Get this done! SOLDIER '''IS''' part of shinra but he ment by '''Shinra Logo''' | ||
which is The SOLDIER logo understand? oh and it is referenced in KH cause of Cloud's Belt =)}} | which is The SOLDIER logo understand? oh and it is referenced in KH cause of Cloud's Belt =)}} | ||
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Need I say more? [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 08:14, December 3, 2009 (UTC) | Need I say more? [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 08:14, December 3, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{ | {{Malevolence Crystalised|time= --[[User:Malevolence Crystalised|Malevolence Crystalised]] 08:15, December 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=and thanks i got A LOT of edit conflicts... we made this users Talk Page.... The #1 Edit Hot Spot.... (oh brother..)}} | ||
SOLDIER has been mentioned in Cloud's entries in Jiminy's Journal, before. Which doesn't really make all that much sense. Considering that A: Cloud wasn't in SOLDIER and B: It's an alternate universe so the stuff that happened in FFVII didn't happen in KH. [[User:HarpieSiren|HarpieSiren]] 08:19, December 3, 2009 (UTC) | SOLDIER has been mentioned in Cloud's entries in Jiminy's Journal, before. Which doesn't really make all that much sense. Considering that A: Cloud wasn't in SOLDIER and B: It's an alternate universe so the stuff that happened in FFVII didn't happen in KH. [[User:HarpieSiren|HarpieSiren]] 08:19, December 3, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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~Ixbran" | ~Ixbran" | ||
I think so, too, about Zack and Phil's relationship. I'm hoping that Phil will call him "Zack the Puppy". Zero attention span, and reckless as a puppy. Tee hee hee!-- | I think so, too, about Zack and Phil's relationship. I'm hoping that Phil will call him "Zack the Puppy". Zero attention span, and reckless as a puppy. Tee hee hee!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 02:56, December 4, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Oh, making him look ''Hercules''-esque is obviously the intent. Just look at his legs. The problem is his head is still Finally Fantastic and looks out of place as hell.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 03:55, December 4, 2009 (UTC) | :Oh, making him look ''Hercules''-esque is obviously the intent. Just look at his legs. The problem is his head is still Finally Fantastic and looks out of place as hell.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 03:55, December 4, 2009 (UTC) | ||
It's not that bad.-- | It's not that bad.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 04:03, December 4, 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Cloud's Search +== | ==Cloud's Search +== | ||
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{{GS|time=22:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)|text=To be honest, his home world should be treated as Olympus Coliseum until it's stated as otherwise in the game. With the way we have it now, it's making it look as if we're absolutely sure that he's not from Olympus Coliseum. The only place we've seen him at is Olympus Coliseum, in Olympus Coliseum styled clothing, so why should we support the fact that he doesn't live there more than the fact that he does?}} | {{GS|time=22:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)|text=To be honest, his home world should be treated as Olympus Coliseum until it's stated as otherwise in the game. With the way we have it now, it's making it look as if we're absolutely sure that he's not from Olympus Coliseum. The only place we've seen him at is Olympus Coliseum, in Olympus Coliseum styled clothing, so why should we support the fact that he doesn't live there more than the fact that he does?}} | ||
i think its 100% safe to say that Olympus Coliseum is his home world. I mean the Events of BbS take place before Xehanort was an apprentice of Ansem. and it was Xehanort who destroyed the barriers around the worlds that kept them separated. during BbS the only way to travel to different worlds is by those portals of light, which can only be accessed by Keyblade wielders. and its obvious Zack dose not have a keyblade, combined with the fact that Zacks design mimics that of those who are native to Olympus Coliseum. [[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] 23:00, June 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Only FF character? == | == Only FF character? == | ||
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{{NitrousX|text=You can see it [[Talk:X-Blade|here]], at the bottom of the page, at the bottom of Xiggie's message.}} | {{NitrousX|text=You can see it [[Talk:X-Blade|here]], at the bottom of the page, at the bottom of Xiggie's message.}} | ||
I just want to say that I have no problem with Kingdom Hearts messing with the stories of Final Fantasy stories because Kingdom Hearts is an originaly series, not a spinoff of Final Fantasy. The same goes for Disney. So I think we just should be happy that we have someone as cool as Zack, and I'm pretty sure they won't do much to elaborate on the plot of Zack in the same way they haven't elaborated on the plot of Cloud. [[Special:Contributions/69.178.248.181|69.178.248.181]] 01:37, June 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
That and they aready have their own games, so we shouldn't rely on Kingdom Hearts to base a huge plotline around minor characters that already have their own backgrounds.[[Special:Contributions/69.178.248.181|69.178.248.181]] 01:38, June 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==The Black Feather, Sephiroth or Sephirnot?== | ==The Black Feather, Sephiroth or Sephirnot?== | ||
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::It doesn't matter. If it isn't confirmed that the feather is from Sephiroth, then no matter how likely it may be it cannot be in the article. It is not '''''confirmed''''' that the feather is his. ''Everything'' needs to be confirmed, Werehog. By the way someone erased this comment earlier.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 23:12, February 14, 2010 (UTC) | ::It doesn't matter. If it isn't confirmed that the feather is from Sephiroth, then no matter how likely it may be it cannot be in the article. It is not '''''confirmed''''' that the feather is his. ''Everything'' needs to be confirmed, Werehog. By the way someone erased this comment earlier.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 23:12, February 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Who knows...Maybe one day he will.-- | Who knows...Maybe one day he will.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:08, February 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Kingdom zachdawg|time=23:09, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=WE actually think it might be Seph's, but it hasn't been confirmed. And so what if Genesis aint in the game? Zack wasn't in the series till BBS}} | {{Kingdom zachdawg|time=23:09, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=WE actually think it might be Seph's, but it hasn't been confirmed. And so what if Genesis aint in the game? Zack wasn't in the series till BBS}} | ||
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{{KKD|time=23:14, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|sora=Well, I think it's Sephiroth's. 1. Sephiroth killing Zack gives Cloud a reason to try and find him in KHI and II. 2. Sephiroth has a ''whole wing'' of black feathers, they're most likely his.}} | {{KKD|time=23:14, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|sora=Well, I think it's Sephiroth's. 1. Sephiroth killing Zack gives Cloud a reason to try and find him in KHI and II. 2. Sephiroth has a ''whole wing'' of black feathers, they're most likely his.}} | ||
Wait a minute! We don't even know if Zack's dead in KH.-- | Wait a minute! We don't even know if Zack's dead in KH.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:15, February 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
The why is Cloud chasing Sephiroth? [[User:Werehog21|Werehog]] 3:18 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC) | The why is Cloud chasing Sephiroth? [[User:Werehog21|Werehog]] 3:18 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC) | ||
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{{Kingdom zachdawg|time=01:47, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=@ KKD Well, ok then. I didn't mean it that way, I just wanted to make my point clear. Also to everyone else, this whole matter is ''closed.''}} | {{Kingdom zachdawg|time=01:47, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=@ KKD Well, ok then. I didn't mean it that way, I just wanted to make my point clear. Also to everyone else, this whole matter is ''closed.''}} | ||
Tetsuya Nomura confirmed that the black feather indicates the presance of Sephiroth.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 02:04, July 28, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman | |||
1) This discussion is several months old. 2) We know that, look in the article.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}07:34, July 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Old or not, I looked through the article, & I don't see where it says anything like that.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 02:19, September 6, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Theme == | == Theme == | ||
In the trivia section, who was the other FF character to have a theme? I'm thinking [[Squall]], but I'm not sure. [[User:The Yoshiman 97|The Yoshiman 97]] 03:44, March 13, 2010 (UTC) | In the trivia section, who was the other FF character to have a theme? I'm thinking [[Squall]], but I'm not sure. [[User:The Yoshiman 97|The Yoshiman 97]] 03:44, March 13, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Sephiroth is probably being referred to.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 05:12, March 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Odd question == | |||
How does he get his hair in that helmet? [[Special:Contributions/66.215.21.80|66.215.21.80]] 23:09, June 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Probably with great difficulty [[User:YamiNoBahamut|YamiNoBahamut]] 17:45, July 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Keep in mind that this is the same universe where the legendary weapon is a giant key, and where humans and anthropomorphized animals can glide with little difficulty. How Zack can fit his hair in that helmet is the least confusing aspect of these games. [[User:Tamroc7|Tamroc7]] 02:16, July 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Maybe it's like how Axel gets his hair in the hood. Maybe. {{User:OathkeeperKH/Signature}} | |||
== Alright, This Is Starting to Piss Me Off == | |||
Someone put that Zack is the first FF character whose home world is a Disney World & it was deleted. I tried putting it back & I tried changing the home world back to "unknown." Both edits were reverted. It can't be speculation in one section of the article & legitimate information in another![[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 19:06, September 6, 2010 (UTC) | |||
The home world is still stated as Unknown I putted OC as other residences--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 19:21, September 6, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Whoa, dude, calm the hell down. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 19:28, September 6, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I am calm. Also, my bad for not noticing the separate categories.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 20:04, September 6, 2010 (UTC) | |||
We don't know for sure that this IS his home. His designs are similar the rest of the OC residants, but with pretty much everyone else fom FF7 being from Radiant Garden, it's equally as valid that he'd come from there. [[User:Hyperwire 2.0|Hyperwre_2.0]] 22:31, October 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Trinity Report/Journal Entry Discrepancy== | |||
I've noticed that on the Opening Copyright/Trademarks Screen, that the years in the Square Enix Section are (Not in this exact order) 1990, Presumably for FFIII because of the moogles, 2010, I think as a general trademark of the series as a whole and 1997, For Final Fantasy VII. | |||
Now at first I assumed that it was for using Zach but upon inspecting his journal entry, it lists Crisis Core as his debut game, not that mildly pissed me off cause Zach's appearance albeit as a minor character was still existent in VII, and it doesn't list 2007 for that matter. Then I '''assumed''' that they were referring to Zach Fair as a whole, like that was the game that showed his personality and the SOLDIER logo on his SOLDIER issued sword but again I digress. I then thought that it was referring Sephiroth because of all that indigo/black feather stuff but I don't wanna go there cause we don't really know and la, la, la whatever. So why...*Sighs* Whatever, I just thought that was in interesting thing I noticed and wanted to share with you all. | |||
[[User:Under The Heavens|Under The Heavens]] 15:28, September 24, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:The Zack Fair they are using is based off of Crisis Core, but the character is copyrighted to 1997. That's all.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 15:40, September 24, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Zack/Ventus == | |||
"*Ventus and Zack's character arcs share many parallels. Just as Cloud becomes Zack's successor, incorporating his past with that of Zack's to form his delusion of being a former Soldier First Class in ''Final Fantasy VII'', and taking Zack's Buster Sword as his own, Sora similarly assimilates Ventus, using his power in the form of the Kingdom Key. Both are prequel characters, and both character designs contain stylistic references to their "main game" counterparts. This is most likely the reason for his inclusion in ''Birth by Sleep''" | |||
Do we find the claimed similarities notable enough to mention? Furthermore, is there not any word from Nomura on why he included Zack?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:41, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||