Talk:No Heart

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"Adorned with dozens of Nobody Symbols"
Aside from the single Nobody Symbol on the chest plates, where are the others? I suppose you could say that points that peak from No Heart's knees are incomplete Nobody Symbols, but aside from that, No Heart's armor isn't really "adorned with dozens of Nobody Symbols." Just the one... --ΧƳƵach. 04:28, December 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can actually see them listed there. Look at the kneecap guards, and the little yellow spikes from his pauldrons, and you can kind of see the bootguards too. They're all Nobody sigils. I do agree though that this sentence confesses far more than the truth, and I'll fix it up accordingly.
 * Are they the actual emblem, or just the thorns? 05:26, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * The thorns. So I'd go with "dozens of Nobody thorns" or something like that. maggosh 05:33, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well I guess it's just going to come down to opinions because I totally agree that he has plenty of spiky intricate points on his armor, but the only true Nobody Symbols is on the chest plates. Like the spikes on his left pauldron, for example, are completely identical to his crown, the only difference is that the crown spikes connect to a circle (because it sits on his head like a crown duh) and the pauldron spikes connect to a semi-circle (because it wraps around the shoulder duh). The large crosses on his knees and boots are closer to Nobody Symbols, but they aren't complete. So if you want to count those, that makes approximately 5 Nobody Symbols.

Otherwise Sora sports a "Nobody Symbol" Crown in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix. --ΧƳƵach. 05:34, December 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * If any part can be considered more than just the thorns, it would have to be the shin/knee guards. -- 05:36, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, the points on the crown aren't stylized the same way as Nobody thorns. -- 05:37, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Variations
I'm inclined to add Xemnas under "variations". Is this a problem for anyone? -- 05:36, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. maggosh 05:40, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

What about the Xemnas page? Would this be added there too? What about spoilers? How does that work with the Final Mixes?

Aside from all that, I agree, it belongs.--ΧƳƵach. 05:42, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

闇への遠謀
The kanji on the magazine means Foresight/Forethought into Darkness, not Vista to Darkness. Both are pronounced the same way (Yami he no Enbou), but vista is written as 遠望.

Would this not indicate that this battle is a glimpse of things to come?
 * If that's the kanji, then yes. However, the source I found typed it as "vista". Is there any way you could get a screenshot or something to verify your reading? 15:20, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I found it. Correcting! 15:24, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Xehanort's Keyblade Armor?
How do we know that it is Xehanort's Keyblade Armor? I mean do we have any confirmation? If we have sorry for this I've been out of the Wiki for quite some time and I have no idea of what is going on around here.--Xabryn 01:10, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I meant that Erry meant (x_x) that in the Universe and timeline as we know it, he's the first. 14:36, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

And I said that Xemnas is not the first. But that's not the point around here the point is that we have no idea if that's MX's armor and saying otherwise is speculation--Xabryn 14:50, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * It has Xehanort's name, it has Xehanort's Keyblade, it is armor that he is seen wearing later, it is emblazoned with his emblem (the Nobody emblem belongs to Xehanort/Xemnas), it sits in the throne in the same stance that Xehanort did at the beginning of the game, the name of the Arena matches references a line that Xehanort uses in Blank Points....it's very clearly his armor. 04:11, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Why does everyone thinks that the Nobody emblem belongs to Xemnas? Yes it uses Xehanort's Keyblade yes it has Xehanort's name but remember Xemnas was the one to realize about the anagram of his name (Another), Xemnas's page says that he can use a Keyblade but preferred not to so doesn't that means that he can use Xehanort's Keyblade? I mean Terra's is with the LS isn't it? And the emblem is from the Nobodies the armor is a reference to Xemnas not Xehanort all the signs point to him especially the fact that he wears it in KH2 but if you guys really want to keep speculating that it is Xehanort's fine, but I still don't agree with it and which one of Xehanort's lines make a reference to Machinations unto Darkness?--Xabryn 15:15, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Ultimania explicitly says that Xehanort came up with the Nobody emblem based on his memories of the Keyblade-Wielder emblem.
 * Xehanort's Keyblade is tied to Xehanort's being.
 * The line is the one about taking Terra's body being just one of many of his deeply-laid plans (i.e. machinations). 16:32, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

It is in this times that I wish I knew japanese I have no idea of what the ultimania says. I still think it is speculation to say that it is his but it's my opinion agaisnt the opinion of everyone in the wiki, I guess I'll get used to it--Xabryn 16:50, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Better Picture
Both have their advantages, but the one we have now shows the whole armor, and I personally think it's better to show the whole picture than a close-up for the main image.

Besides, we always use renders, and if the render is bad we wait until a better, newer one comes out. 12:12, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Unlockable weapon.
Might as well post this here, beating him unlocks a weapon. Its stats are +8 Attack & +7 Magic. I don't know Japanese but here is an image of it. I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to post this but the Keyblade is linked to the actual boss. Also, I'm uploading a video of the fight so you can add more information to this page. Enjoy!

~1stkirbyever

First off, actually as far as i know it is perfectly fine to post this here, second off, that is one ugly ass keyblade, would it kill them to just let us wield xehanort's keyblade already? it's the one keyblade that hasn't got a name yet (we haven't got eraqus' either but at least we know we're going to)-- 16:39, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I translated the name and it seems to translate to "Crown Unlimit", I suppose if it were English, it'd be "Unlimited Crown" or something along the lines of that. 16:54, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Journal Entry.
Might as well put this here too. Translation is needed like always. http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2360/snap001c.png


 * If someone can get the nihongo, I can do this quickly. Otherwise, it will have to wait a bit. 06:30, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Merge
Do we have any confirmation that it is a simulation of Master Xehanort? Because the Journal entry does say that his identity is unclear so wouldn't that mean that it may not be MX? If we have a confirmation then forget that I said anything and go on with the merging--Xabryn 00:39, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * The only thing I see that links him to Xehanort is that he wields his Keyblade and his armor is identical to the armor of Xehanort's Nobody, Xemnas. I don't think this should be merged either. -- 02:18, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

While I would say No Heart is a sim of Master Xehanort, as it uses his Keyblade and armor that can only be his, the connection is not explicit enough for me to justify the merge.

Actually, on further reflection, it might make more sense for it to be a sim of post-merge Xehanort, or possibly of MX in his prime. -- 02:26, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nomura said it. He said that he wanted the bosses in, but put them in Mirage Arena so they could just be data simulations that wouldn't impact the overall plot like the Unknown and Vanitas Remnant do. 02:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'm against merging this page as well as merging Armor of the Master with Eraqus. They are indeed simulations of other characters. But unlike the Absent Silhouettes and the like, these are given journal entries with their own names. These characters do not appear in these forms in any other occurrence and while it is true they're the same character in many ways, they are quite unique and distinct. Merging these would be like Merging Vanitas Remnant and Vanitas. Vanitas Remnant is obviously still Vanitas to some extent but they're quite separate as far as how the game encounters go. And they both have their own distinct journal entries as well. I oppose this merge. -- i    Zerox   03:38, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, to build on that, No Heart is even more different from MX than AotM is from Eraqus, if you consider fighting styles. AotM, at least, builds on many of Eraqus's attacks from his boss battle in its own battle, but No Heart's style doesn't resemble either MX's or Terra-Xehanort's fighting styles, or anyone else's, as far as I can tell. -- 03:52, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * He does use Dark Volley and the Keyblade storms, for one. There's more, but I put it on AotM's talk page. 04:52, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

No Heart≠MX or not

 * Talk:Armor of the Master. We know for an absolute fact that it is MX's armor, because it is later worn by Xemnas, and is Keyblade Armor. The journal does not explicitly say "Master Xehanort in his Keyblade Armor", no, but at a certain point we are just being euphemistic-ostriches here. 03:08, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

I have no place here, but you know, Xabryn, that if it is Xemnas (which I doubt) it just further down the connection with Master Xehanort? As Xemnas have MX memories, and probably soul as well. Now, I am off.--''' Dark-En   igmaXIII   09:08, 25 June 2011 (EDT)


 * It has. Xehanort's. Name. That's proof. As for the claim that it could be Terra, that's ridiculous. The only difficulty/question here is "where did it come from?", and Nomura specifically wrote it as a data simulation so that THAT QUESTION WOULDN'T NEED AN ANSWER. It has Xehanort's name, it has Xehanort's Keyblade, it has Xehanort's attacks from the Graveyard battle, its arena is based off of where Xehanort fought Eraqus, and Xehanort later wears the armor as Xemnas. It is not speculation to say that it is a copy of Xehanort in his armor. 18:35, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

Whoawhoawhoa. Regarding the Jesse McCartney thing that Lapis brought up, I'd say that's a different case. Voices can be easily imitated. Look at Bret Iwan doing Mickey, I couldn't tell him apart from Wayne Allwine. However, we can use given evidence to prove that No Heart is, in fact, MX's armor. 22:22, 25 June 2011 (EDT)