Talk:Kingdom Hearts (series)/Timeline

this is from what i understand to be the correct timeline

the main reason i posted it was so that it can be improved bit by bit to be more accurate

remove it if you want, i dont mind...

i just thought it would be nice to have a timeline of events on this site all in one place

Well, I'm doing my part to clean up this mess. I'll see if I can rewrite some parts so it doesn't get repetitive and incorrectly written. User:JudgmentDay95 18:37 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't 358/2 days' event happen BEFORE CoM? - Sencilia 09:58, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Per the argument I've put forth at Heartless, I don't believe the Ansem Reports can be taken as absolute truth. Both writers have known reputations for dishonesty. To an extent, a similar matter goes with Jiminy's Journal, as there is ample evidence within the journal that he is explaining the information he has, and that it may not be right. (See the changing articles on Riku/Ansem in KH2 for an example) I would suggest that if we cover any "Pre-game" stuff here, that it is either straight from Nomura or from cutscenes, and that anything that we have to take on a character's say-so is explicitly explained to be unconfirmed. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:47, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Separation by Game Really Necessary?
I know that I, for one, came to this page just so I could get a clear idea of how the games all merge together. I mean, I wanted to see what the story itself was, not the individual story of each game. It's a bit confusing, isn't it? It was pretty straightforward until 358/2 Days, which threw the article's order out of whack.

So I suggest that, instead of separating by games, separate events by when they occurred.

That would fix any problems with 358/2 Days technically occurring before and during KH1 and Chain of Memories, right? And it would provide a clear transition between events taking place within the context of different games.

SavageLarxene011 21:04, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. This page should also have specific day numbers for the events of Days, CoM, and KHII, and should be more detailed time wise in the pre-game (we know that Maleficent took the world of Hollow Bastion 9 years before KH1). Glorious  CHAOS!  21:39, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Draft
The form of the info on the article was just too riddled with errors to have it up in mainspace. It's too much harm for too little gain. It has been moved here, and it needs to be organized and researched, with times, citations, and Template:Storylink tags.

I would suggest we start with the events of KH1 (using the script and scenes as a reference), and then leave the pre-game type stuff for last - anything which we don't actually see should be amassed as notes from the Ansem Reports, Secret Reports, Jiminy Memo, and any script-claims and then put together. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:50, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Rules
 * 1) Absolutely no events listed that are not specifically mentioned or observed as happening at that point. For example, we have no way of knowing yet that Maleficent wasn't always allied with Oogie Boogie and them, so don't say "At this point, Maleficent allies with the others." If you are not sure in what order it happened, only speak of it as something like "Maleficent meets with the members of her alliance, which she has so far gathered. Any complications arising from this should be ironed out on the talk page before adding those notes to the main article.
 * 2) Anything that is not directly observed within the course of the games needs to have a citation to a character's script, and needs to say "According to x" at the beginning of the note.
 * 3) Don't organize by game. Organize chronologically, though you can have little notes saying "The plot of Kingdom Hearts II begins here" or something.
 * 4) Any observed events should use the storylink template.
 * 5) Any flashbacks should be in their correct area, but should still use the storylink template indicating in which game they were first observed.
 * 6) Absolutely no un-canon info, such as Vcast, the manga(*), or the secret movies. (* Depending on discussion, it is possible we may insert manga-only events once the first draft of this is done)
 * 7) Where possible, dates should be specified. We can pinpoint virtually any event between Sora using the KoPH and awakening in Twilight Town, and we also know general dates for the pre-game section.

Kingdom Hearts Timeline

 * Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep


 * According to the Secret Ansem Reports, a young man is found in the Radiant Garden. He has no recollection of anything and calls himself Xehanort.
 * According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Ansem the Wise adopts Xehanort as his apprentice. Xehanort trains alongside Ansem and his 5 other apprentices (Braig, Dilan, Even, Aeleus, and Ienzo).
 * According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Ansem begins his research of the heart. He quickly abandons it when he feels the risk is too great.
 * King Mickey learns of the creation of the Heartless and begins an investigation of why worlds are falling to them.
 * According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Xehanort decides to continue the research despite Ansem's orders.
 * According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Xehanort and the apprentices, overtaken by the power of darkness, quickly overthrow Ansem and send him to the Realm of Nothingness.
 * According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Xehanort takes Ansem's name as his own and his research leads to the creation of the Heartless. This, in turn, destroys Radiant Garden, and the world becomes the ravaged land known as Hollow Bastion
 * According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Xehanort and the apprentices lose their hearts to darkness, forming Xehanort's Heartless and 6 powerful Nobodies.
 * According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Organization XIII is created and new members are inducted one by one.
 * According to Leon, Maleficent learns of the Heartless and Kingdom Hearts and joins Xehanort's Heartless in the attempts to open it.


 * Start of Kingdom Hearts


 * King Mickey sends a note to his trusted soldiers Donald and Goofy telling them to go and find the chosen Keyblade master.
 * The world door to Destiny Islands is opened and the world is attacked by the Heartless.
 * Sora from Destiny Islands is chosen by the Keyblade when his world is attacked.
 * Sora's friend Kairi loses her heart, which enters Sora's body, when the world is plunged into darkness.
 * Sora's friend Riku opens his heart to darkness and escapes the doomed world before it is destroyed.
 * Riku appears in Hollow Bastion due to his use of a Corridor of Darkness. He encounters Maleficent, who convinces him to help search for the Princesses of Heart.
 * Sora escapes Destiny Islands through a Corridor of Darkness and he appears in Traverse Town.
 * Donald and Goofy arrive in Traverse town seeking the Keyblade master.
 * Sora, Donald and Goofy meet up with each other and set out on their quest to find King Mickey, Riku and Kairi.
 * Sora, Donald and Goofy begin to travel to numerous worlds to seal them so that they will be safe from the Heartless.
 * Xemnas hears rumors that the Keyblade Master has been chosen and devises a plan that would allow the members of the Organization to regain their hearts and become whole again.
 * Kairi's body is found and protected by Riku, but her heart is still missing and she remains in a catatonic state.
 * Sora, Donald and Goofy eventually come to the world of Neverland where they encounters Riku and Kairi.
 * Riku informs Sora that he is now has control of the Heartless and that Kairi has lost her heart.
 * Riku takes Kairi to Hollow Bastion by using a Corridor of Darkness. However, this is done recklessly, and his heart begins to strain.
 * Sora, Donald and Goofy make it to Hollow Bastion.
 * Riku takes control of the Keyblade from Sora because the Darkness is making his heart the stronger.
 * Sora regains control of the Keyblade and defeats Riku.
 * Riku flees and allows Xehanort's Heartless to take control of him so that he will become more powerful.
 * Using the 6 hearts collected from the princesses, Riku, under Xehanort's influence, creates the Keyblade of People's Hearts.
 * Maleficent and the possessed Riku discover that they need to defeat Sora in order for their plan to come to fruition.
 * Sora defeats Maleficent in the castle chapel. Severely weakened, Maleficent flees with Sora in pursuit.
 * Riku uses the Keyblade of People's Hearts to unlock the darkness in Maleficent's heart. This turns her into a massive dragon, and she attacks Sora and company.
 * Maleficent is defeated and disintegrates into darkness.
 * Riku, now called Ansem, informs Sora of Kairi's Princess status and Sora finds out that Kairi's heart rests inside him.
 * In an attempt to release the hearts, the possessed Riku fights Sora but is defeated and disappears.
 * Sora takes the Keyblade "Ansem" left behind and impales himself to allow Kairi to wake up. The Princesses have their hearts returned to them, Kairi awakens, and Sora disappears into darkness.
 * This action turns Sora into a Shadow Heartless and creates the Nobodies Roxas and Naminé.
 * Sora's Nobody, Roxas, appears in Twilight Town and is found by Xemnas. Discovering that Roxas is the Nobody of Sora, Xemnas inducts him into the Organization.
 * Due to Sora and Kairi's strong hearts, Kairi restores Sora back to normal after he became a Heartless, and Sora, Donald, Goofy and Kairi leave Hollow Bastion and head back to Traverse Town.
 * Xehanort's Heartless completely takes over Riku's body and Riku is forced into the Realm of Darkness.
 * In a final effort to defeat Xehanort's Heartless and close the pathway to Kingdom Hearts, Sora, Donald and Goofy go to the Heartless world called End of the World.
 * Sora, Donald and Goofy defeat Xehanort's Heartless in battle but before he dies he opens Kingdom Hearts.
 * Sora, Donald and Goofy close Kingdom Hearts with the help of Riku and King Mickey who are inside it.
 * Kingdom Hearts is closed and the pathway to it is sealed.
 * All of the Worlds taken by the Heartless are restored and Kairi is returned to Destiny Islands.


 * Beginning of Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories


 * Xemnas approves the plan and sends Vexen (No. 4), Lexaeus (No. 5), Zexion (No. 6), Axel (No. 8), Marluxia (No. 11), and Larxene (No. 12) to Castle Oblivion where Naminé is ordered to begin rearranging Sora's memories.
 * Sora, Donald and Goofy continue along a path until they come across Castle Oblivion.
 * The rearranging of Sora, Donald and Goofy's memories commences and they begin to forget things they have known before and Sora begins to remember false events about Naminé in place of Kairi.
 * Sora, Donald and Goofy are informed by Marluxia that they must make their way to the top of the castle to reclaim all of their memories.
 * Marluxia and Larxene inform Axel of their attempt to take over Organization XIII using Sora as their puppet.
 * Riku is brought out of the realm of darkness and to Castle Oblivion by DiZ disguising himself as Xehanort's Heartless
 * Riku encounters Vexen who samples Riku's memories and tells him that he must work his way up from the castle's basement in order to escape.
 * Sora, Donald and Goofy make their way up the castle fighting and defeating Vexen along the way.
 * Zexion, Lexaeus, and Vexen create a Riku Replica to help them find out why Marluxia and Larxene are attempting to overthrow Organization XIII.
 * Axel rejects Marluxia and Larxene's proposal to take over Organization XIII and he releases Naminé to go to Sora.
 * Sora fights the Riku Replica and is defeated but rescued by Naminé who smashes the replica's heart.
 * Sora fights and defeats Larxene.
 * Naminé tells Sora, Donald, and Goofy all about what she was forced to do to his memories. She informs them that she can restore their original memories if they defeat Marluxia and make it to the 13th floor.
 * Riku continues up from the basement and defeats Lexaeus along the way.
 * King Mickey is brought out of the Realm of Darkness by DiZ (Ansem) and is taken to Castle Oblivion to help Riku.
 * Axel escapes after a battle with Sora and eventually comes across the Riku Replica.
 * Sora defeats Marluxia in battle. Naminé takes Sora, Donald, and Goofy to a room containing memory pods where she puts them to sleep so that their memories can be repaired.
 * Riku and the King continue up through Castle Oblivion until they reach Zexion, the only remaining member of Organization XIII in the castle.
 * Riku defeats Zexion by using the dark powers still in him from Xehanort's Heartless.
 * Zexion manages to escape and encounters Axel and the Riku Replica. Axel convinces the replica to kill Zexion, making Axel the Organization member still standing in Castle Oblivion.
 * DiZ reveals himself to Riku and explains how he and Naminé are trying to help him.
 * Riku chooses to fight Xehanort's Heartless and finally defeat him so that Riku can rid himself of the darkness in his heart.
 * Riku defeats Xehanort's Heartless in battle.
 * Naminé and DiZ take Riku and the King to see Sora sleeping in the pod in which his memories are being repaired.
 * DiZ disguises Riku and the King in Organization XIII coats and sends them out to ensure no one interferes with the reconstruction of Sora's memories.


 * Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
 * Organization XIII continue their efforts to regain their hearts by collecting the hearts of defeated Heartless.
 * Ansem begins to work on a way to stop Xemnas from carrying out his plan.
 * Roxas becomes friends with Axel, the 8th member of the Organization.
 * Realizing that Sora may not be strong enough to defeat enough Heartless, Xemnas creates Xion, a replica made from Sora's memories that was intended to fight and kill Heartless if Sora died.
 * The Xion experiment was a failure and the replica instead partially resembled Kairi since Sora's memories towards her were the strongest.
 * Xemnas inducts Xion into Organization XIII.
 * Xion becomes good friends with Roxas and Axel.
 * Roxas, Axel and Xion go on various missions for Organization XIII.
 * While Roxas and Xion are on a mission for Organization XIII, Roxas falls into a coma due to Sora being put to sleep by Naminé.
 * Axel takes care of Roxas while he is in a coma and Xion begins to go on missions by herself.
 * Riku and Xion encounter each other in Beast's Castle and they fight.
 * Riku is the victor but he is surprised to find out that Xion can wield the Keyblade and Riku leaves her alive as he is uncertain about what to do with her.
 * As more of Sora's memories are reconstructed Xion begins to have strange dreams that involve Sora's past experiences.
 * Roxas wakes up from his coma, he Axel and Xion reunite and continue missions for Organization XIII.
 * Xion begins to go insane through having obsessive thoughts about wanting to be “Something” instead of just an imperfect replica.
 * Xion runs away from Organization XIII and Roxas and Axel are ordered to find her and bring her back.
 * King Mickey meets with Riku in the Twilight Town Forest and discusses with him what to do about Sora, Xion, and Roxas.
 * Xion goes to Twilight Town on Riku's advice and meets Naminé, who explains her origins to her.
 * Xion begins to take on the appearance of Sora due to his memories nearing completion.
 * Roxas finds Xion who now looks completely like Sora.
 * Xion tells Roxas that the only way she can be a real person is by absorbing Roxas to trick him into fighting her so that she can save him from the Organization.
 * Xion fights Roxas and is defeated, as per her plan to save him, but dies in Roxas’s arms and merges with him and Sora.
 * As a result of Xion and Roxas merging, Sora's memory reconstruction is stopped and cannot be completed.
 * DiZ and Naminé send Riku out to capture Roxas so that the memories Xion left in Roxas can be transferred to Sora to complete the process.
 * Roxas travels through the Dark City to defeat Xemnas and free Kingdom Hearts to fulfill Xion's final wish, but is waylaid by several Neoshadows.
 * Roxas fights the Neoshadows at Memory's Skyscraper and is almost overcome. Riku watches from above and takes the Keyblade Roxas offers him to fight the Heartless as well.
 * Xion reaches out to Riku when Roxas passes him the Keyblade and Riku regains all of his memories of her in an instant, causing some shock and confusion.
 * Riku and Roxas defeat the Heartless and then turn on each other with Roxas winning. Riku calls him Sora and tells him he thought he could do better, to which Roxas replies in a Sora-like fashion, feeling his connection to Sora.
 * Roxas becomes enraged at Riku's mention of Sora and strikes him down. Riku tries to tell Roxas that his attempt to stop Xemnas would only lead to his destruction but Roxas refuses to listen.
 * Xion calls out to Riku from within Roxas and begs him to stop Roxas's attempt to fight Xemnas. Riku removes his blindfold and assumes the form of Xehanort's Heartless using the Guardian to knock Roxas unconcious.
 * As a result, Riku ends up resembling Xehanort's Heartless and possesses all of his powers.
 * DiZ comes to Memory's Skyscraper and meets with Riku, who hides his face and now goes by the name Ansem. The take Roxas to DiZ's lab in Twilight Town.
 * Naminé masks Roxas’s true memories from him.
 * DiZ creates a data-based recreation of Twilight Town and places Roxas inside it.


 * Beginning of Kingdom Hearts II


 * Roxas begins to live in the fake Twilight Town as a simple school boy on summer vacation but he experiences constant flashbacks and dreams about the experiences from Sora's past.
 * Working for DiZ, Riku steals some pictures of Roxas and his friends.
 * Naminé continues to reconstruct Sora's memories taking them out of Roxas bit by bit.
 * Axel attempts to remind Roxas of who he is and about his past in Organization XIII but DiZ convinces Roxas to ignore him.
 * Roxas goes to the mansion where Naminé and DiZ are now complete with their reconstruction of Sora's memories
 * Axel makes a final attempt to return Roxas to Organization XIII but Roxas defeats Axel and continues through the mansion
 * Roxas makes it to the room where Sora is sleeping and DiZ reveals how Roxas will now have to be absorbed into Sora to allow Sora to waken.
 * Sora, Donald, and Goofy wake up but have no memories of anything after the defeat of Xehanort's Heartless.
 * King Mickey meets up with Sora, Donald, and Goofy while leaving Twilight Town and directs them to Master Yen Sid's tower.
 * Master Yen Sid informs Sora, Donald, and Goofy about Nobodies and Organization XIII and then gives them back the Gummi Ship and tells how they can unlock routes to the worlds with the Keyblade.
 * Maleficent is revived because she had used the last bit of her powers to bring herself back.
 * Axel travels to Destiny Islands and attempts to kidnap Kairi but she instead travels through a portal opened by King Mickey which brings Kairi to Twilight Town
 * Kairi spends time with Hayner, Pence and Olette until Axel finds her again and takes her against her will to the World that never Was.
 * Sora, Donald, and Goofy travel to Twilight Town to get Kairi only to find out that Axel has already taken her away. They also meet Saïx, who informs them that Axel isn't following orders from the Organization anymore.
 * After visiting several worlds, Sora, Donald, and Goofy return to Hollow Bastion where they finally meet King Mickey who explains all about Ansem the Wise, Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless, and Xemnas.
 * Maleficent sends thousands of Heartless to invade Hollow Bastion and Organization XIII sends Nobodies to counter them.
 * Sora, Donald, and Goofy encounter and defeat Demyx, the 9th member of Organization XIII.
 * The Heartless realize that Maleficent is no longer the strongest side in the fight and they join forces with Organization XIII and the other Nobodies.
 * Axel decides that Organization XIII has become corrupt and he decides to help Sora and go against the Organization's will.
 * Riku, disguised as a member of Organization XIII, gives Sora, Donald, and Goofy a picture showing Roxas in it and Sora recognizes him.
 * Sora, Donald, and Goofy return to Beasts Castle and defeat Xaldin, the 3rd member of Organization XIII.
 * Sora, Donald, and Goofy return to Hollow Bastion where they encounter Sephiroth.
 * Sora fights an intense battle with Sephiroth and defeats him leading Sephiroth to confront Cloud and the two leave to fight each other.
 * Sora, Donald, and Goofy return to Twilight Town in an attempt to find out about who Roxas is and why he appeared with Hayner, Pence, and Olette in a picture.
 * Sora, Donald, Goofy and King Mickey use the computer in Diz and Naminé's mansion to gain access to the fake Twilight Town.
 * Axel sacrifices his life to help Sora Donald Goofy and King Mickey to gain access to The World that Never Was.
 * Xemnas nears the completion of his goal as Kingdom Hearts almost has enough hearts. collected from dead heartless to allow the remaining Organization XIII members to use its power.
 * Ansem the Wise arrives in The World that Never Was and begins to make his way up through the Organization XIII Castle.
 * Sora reaches the Memory’s Skyscraper in the World that Never Was and he has a vision involving Roxas, who battles Sora and leaves satisfied.
 * Sora, Donald, Goofy and King Mickey enter the Organization XIII Castle.
 * Naminé breaks Kairi out of her cell in the Organization XIII Castle but they are stopped by Saïx, the 7th member of Organization XIII.
 * Riku, still with the appearance of Xehanort's Heartless, rescues Naminé and Kairi from Saïx. Kairi and Riku then go to find Sora.
 * King Mickey goes off in a different direction in the castle and meets Ansem the Wise who begins to use a device to encode Xemnas' Kingdom Hearts.
 * Sora, Donald, and Goofy are stopped by the 2nd Member of Organization XIII, Xigbar, but they fight and defeat him.
 * Sora, Donald, and Goofy meet up with Riku and Kairi and the five of them continue up through the castle.
 * Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, and Kairi encounter Luxord, the 10th member of Organization XIII, and Sora defeats him in battle.
 * Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, and Kairi are stopped by Saïx, the last member other than Xemnas, and they defeat him.
 * Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, and Kairi meet up with Ansem the wise and King Mickey who are still trying to encode Kingdom Hearts.
 * The collecting machine explodes killing Ansem, severely damaging Kingdom Hearts and releasing all of the collected hearts into the castle where they reform into millions of Heartless.
 * The release of hearts returns Riku to his original appearance and Xehanort's Heartless is destroyed forever.
 * Maleficent and Pete arrive at the castle and hold off the Heartless while Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, Kairi, and King Mickey continue up to Xemnas.
 * Xemnas’s plans are ruined and he fights Sora but is defeated and disappears.
 * The door to Kingdom Hearts appears and Sora, Donald, Goofy, and Riku enter and fight Xemnas and he seems to have been defeated.
 * Naminé opens a portal to Destiny Islands for everyone to leave through and Sora and Kairi meet and merge with their Nobody equivalents, Roxas and Naminé.
 * The portal closes before Sora and Riku leave and they are forced to fight Xemnas again.
 * Sora and Riku defeat Xemnas for good and they are stranded in the Realm of Darkness after the battle.
 * The Door to Light opens for Sora and Riku and they enter it and arrive at Destiny Islands.
 * King Mickey returns to Disney Castle and sends Sora, Riku, and Kairi a message in a bottle.


 * Kingdom Hearts coded
 * The King and Jimminy discuss about the mysterious message left on the Journal, "The hurt will be mended when you return to end it".
 * The King decides to send a data version of Sora inside the coded Journal.
 * After several data worlds, Data-Sora encounters Maleficent and Pete on data version of Agrabah, Maleficent destroys Data-Sora's Keyblade.
 * Data-Sora receives a new Keyblade.
 * Data-Sora is forced to fight a bugged Data-Riku. After Data-Riku's defeat, he ventures to Data-Riku's data through a Keyhole.
 * Data-Sora encounters the source of the bug corruptions Inside Riku, Sora's Heartless.
 * Data-Sora lost his memory after the battle.
 * Data-Sora ventures to data Castle Oblivion after being told to by The King. He encounters a hooded figure there.
 * Data-Sora learns how to accept the hurt, and defeated the hooded figure which later revealed to be Data-Roxas.
 * Data-Sora and The King met Data-Naminé, which reveals the secret to the mysterious message; the real Sora's destiny to save Terra, Ventus, Aqua, Axel, Roxas, Xion, and the real Naminé. She later dissapears as her purpose of existence is fulfilled.
 * The King returns to the real world and writes the message from the end of Kingdom Hearts II; telling Sora of what he has learned in the data world.
 * After he sent the letter, The King meets up with Yen Sid to discuss the return of Xehanort. Yen Sid later decides that he should held the Mark of Mastery exam for Sora and Riku, and tells Mickey to inform the two of them.

The plot of this game is not fully known, and so this information is subject to change.
 * Kingdom Hearts 3D

Days
Days, at least, is perfectly made for a timeline. Why don't we start by adding the days and events, and we can build the article around that. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:58, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Days in Days

 * Every day with any storyline on it. Missions with story especially. If stuff needs to be trimmed after that, then we can deal with it then. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:07, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Because the CoM events happen while Roxas is sleeping, maybe it's possible to squeeze the CoM-Timeline in there too. --ShardofTruth 23:43, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Out of sheer boredom, i actually did construct a timeline lining up the events of 358 days, and COM rikus and soras stories, it details events that only MUST have occured in chronological order. i can post it if anyone would like. it basically lines everything up the way birth by sleep does it, that is, by character and by time it occurs, so basically its a little easier to eyeball, and it follows all the criteria in the above list. yoshiyuki17 11/17/10
 * Yes, I think we all would like to see this. --ShardofTruth 22:53, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Update?
Shard has the days ultimania, which details the calendar of the days, including the overlap. -- 11:00, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

Stop that. -- 12:37, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
 * fine....hmpph.
 * All plots in all worlds, using the FM versions as the final canonicity, should be covered, though we might need to compress some of the sidequests with something like "Sora revisits the worlds, preparing for his final battle," -- stuff like Kurt Zisa and the Hades Cup are canon to the storyline, but are pretty much undateable with any kind of precision.192.249.47.165 14:13, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Deep Jungle Argument: Cannon or Not?
'''CANON. NOT CANNON.''' Please stop giving Kryten fodder. -- 14:34, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Sorry. I'm just trying to help finish a page. No need to be a wuss. Uxie   Lover   1994  15:09, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Deep Jungle is not at all non-canon, and ranking the worlds by "general impact" really doesn't matter. Everything needs to be on the timeline.192.249.47.165 15:19, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
 * It was withdrawn from the cannon following the pulling of the Tarzan franchice prior to 2004. It's not even in the Manga, and some of us agree it's no longer cannon. If we are going to argue on this, let's put it in a seperet forum. Uxie   Lover   1994  15:25, 20 July 2011 (EDT)


 * (Deep Jungle was never a cannon...) 19:33, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Kryten, maybe we better take this seriously. No time for jokes.


 * It was (and will be) only cannon to the first game's story (yes, it's cannon for KH1, but only for KH1), but not the overal cannon. When Jafar mentioned that Sora found a Keyhole in one of the dreams Roxas experianced, the shown Keyhole was in Agrabah. But the only way for Deep Jungle to return is for Disney to pay at least £100 Billion (estimated). (I'm suprised they even let that world's Keyblade be in RE:Coded without a lawsuit happening...) Uxie   Lover   1994  02:17, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

Omitting a cutscene is not the same thing as retconning. Otherwise they would have chose a world about as early as Deep Jungle was. Unless there is an obvious indication that the events at Deep Jungle never happened, it remains canon. -- 03:10, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Uxie:


 * 1) I'll stop picking on it once you take the hint and learn how to spell the word.
 * 2) Canonicity has nothing to do with "license to have the setting reappear in future works".
 * 3) The EWB estate owns the title, the characters specifically from the original work, and probably any setting overtly based on Tarzan. The Jungle King is a completely original thing that SE made, and EWB has no claim on it. It's ludicrous to claim that they could have been sued "£100 Billion" for putting it in Re:coded.
 * 4) As I understand it, SE would still be perfectly able to reference that Sora went to "Deep Jungle", and use broad strokes to summarize what happened there. They just can't depict the actual scenes (as they would be based on copyrighted work) or use EWB-Tarzan-based names. So, there's nothing forbidding it from ever being mentioned again.
 * 5) All quests and sidequests remain canon until explicitly said by SE to be otherwise. Even the Mirage Arena battles are canon -- Nomura's misinterpreted line actually means that he designed the two Master bosses as Replica Data in order to avoid them causing a plot hole. Every time someone says "this obviously isn't canon, it's a side quest", later games prove them wrong, so how about we stay with the reliable view of "if it's published in the games, it's canon until proven otherwise"? 11:00, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
 * I understand. I still think that Deep Jungle is no longer canon (there; I've spelled it correctly). I just wish we can send e-mails to gather infomation on the canon for everything.


 * I also wish there was a way to get that world back. I'd pay about between £20 million - £40 million just to let us mention that world if I owned Disney, y'know. Uxie   Lover   1994  11:10, 21 July 2011 (EDT)


 * EDIT: Dammit, I did it again! Uxie   Lover   1994  11:13, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

Questions
First off, why is this page still incomplete?

Secondly, do we write a gist of the story in point form, do we write a short paragraph for each story, or what? Until and unless I know how this page is going to be structured, this page is going to remain under construction for the rest of the year. Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  11:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Either way, we better get this list done soon. There is an example of a timeline list on Bulbapedia for both the games and it's anime. Wikipedia's got many timeline lists that might give us ideas for our own.


 * Kryten also said earlier that we must put everything that happened on it, since even the Mirage Arenas and Deep Jungle are canon (I've spelt it correctly again) at this point (though I still doubt that for the latter). Uxie   Lover   1994  11:58, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I would agree with Kryten for Deep Jungle — as much as it didn't appear in the rest of the series, the hints in that world are integral to the rest of the story of KH1: Hollow Bastion (the castle), the process of becoming a Heartless (Clayton lost his heart, ASOD discarded his body according to the Ansem Reports), the definition of friends, the second of three tensions between Sora, Donald and Goofy. It's only fitting that after this split comes the major split in Hollow Bastion. If it weren't canon, it'd have the same effect as, say, the Kingdom Hearts manga whereby Vexen creates several dozen replicas of himself, and they kill another OXIII member — that doesn't even happen in-game.

Bulbapedia might help, yes. Please link me to the best of them, and I'll try and see if we can come up with something similar. Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  12:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course. Here's the games' and here's the anime's. (Please note that the movies in the anime, along with some episdoes, try to make Ash Ketchum and his Pikachu sound as legendary and needed as some of the protagonists in our series). Uxie   Lover   1994  12:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Following the game timeline. Gonna see if we can come up with something similar. Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  16:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)