Talk:Ansem the Wise

Who thinks it's better to put:

xehenort-gardian?
I know the title seems stupid but bare withme I need help,were did the get the infomation on this line

"The sage was also the one who found the young Xehanort, on the brink of death, in the aftermath of a great battle by those who used Keyblades to fight"

that is amazing,everyone who reads this is instatly going to jump to the conclution that the "gardian" from the kh2 secret ending is xhenort. This is to awsome.

sincerly luis

A Grave Mistake
and to state which game(s) the character is in. but lets say the character is in one game only than the second variation is better but not with multiple games. Does anyone understand? Anyone, anyone? -Azul 22:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You could just make KHII a level 2 headline and make the rest level 3 headlines. --Hecko X 04:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Only one to die on screen
One part in Trivia says Ansem the Wise is the only friendly character in the series to die on screen. But Axel turns remotly friendly in Betwixt and Between, and he died on screen?

I completely agree because Axel helps Sora so wouldn't that mean that he would be friendly? And besides, Ansem doesn't die because he is shown in the Reconnect. Kingdom Hearts video.

Kairi's grandfather
On the slight possibility that she is a blood relative of Kairi, why does this article mention she might be Kairi's grandpa? wouldn't biological father be just as likey?

He's would have to be her father. He would look old, like Kairi's Grandmother if he was her grandfather.--PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart 15:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

she might not remember.

that was Xehanort's Heartless (who for Kingdom hearts and Com was known as "Ansem") and familial bonds aren't automatic.If I never knew who my father was (or anything from before I was 5) than I wouldn't bond over the course of a minute.It would take months,years of getting to know each other.

Humane act is one thing,But king mickey and Riku would have certainly known more about him and didn't do Squat

Most father haven't been betrayed by their disciples,Been impersonated with everyone beleiving them to be the bad guy(why couldn't Squall tell that Xehanort wasn't really ansem if you think Mr.Lionheart was so close to ansem the wise.)most fathers wouldn't have been locked away in a realm of absolute nothing with their own daughter not remembering them,and nothing but the power of darkness and a lust for revenge to their name. "I was...Obsessed with thoughts of revenge.My apprentices stole everything precious to me,my research, and my pride."

even then he states that his revenge is still on-going.he asked for forgiveness but didn't state he was going to stop. and perhaps after everything that happened,after all he lost,maybe he just couldn't rub salt in the wound

that is more difficult when one of the parties doesn't remember said ties. i suggest waiting for BBS

One mississipi,two mississipi,three mississipi...

Sorry just noticed this, Why would squall Know anything about ansem, He couldn't recognize Xehanort for being an Imposter?70.144.122.24 19:46, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Some fun little trivia... Should it be put in Ansem's Trivia section?
Christopher Lee and Corey Burton also have another character they share: Count Dooku from the Star Wars franchise. (Lee portrayed Dooku in Star Wars Episodes II and III, and Burton voiced the same character in the "The Clone Wars" animated movie and TV series.) AJ the Shinigami 23:08, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Apprentices
I agree that there should at least be a template --ZexionFan321 02:12, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Questions
Did Ansem the Wise always have amber coloured eyes or did it happen after he was banished to the Realm of Nothingness and escaped using the power of darkness?--94.197.98.63 14:58, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

The picture in the article seems to have amber eyes too.--Masgrande 23:29, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Birth by Sleep Spoilers
Apparently taking place after Kingdom Hearts II, Ansem the Wise and Master Aqua meet up at the Dark Margin to await Sora's return so he can 'free them from their torment.'XYZ. 05:24, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, considering that and the data Ansem put into Sora, is he the reason coded and BBS are "connected"? Glorious  CHAOS!  22:00, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

While it is true that Ansem states new facts about Sora, he also makes reference to other "crippled creatures" that may or may not be him and Aqua or Terra and Ven. It is also unverified that the line in Jimminy's Journal, "We must return to free them from their torment." is directly referencing Ansem and Aqua. While it is probable, it's not defininte. We do not know if Sora even saw this line from Journal.Neverfate 18:03, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just wanna say, despite this being a very old conversation, that I knew Ansem the Wise wasn't dead. I had done countless playthroughs of KHII and thought, "If he has the power of darkness, why didn't he use it to save himself from the blast?" Then I added it to the trivia section that he could've done that. It got taken down of course, which in retrospect was understandable due to it being speculative at the time, albeit speculation that made a shitload of sense. I was only half right it seemed. (waits for people to give sarcastic comments like "Want a cookie?" or the like)Lying Memories 22:24, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Birth by sleep
The Birth by sleep logo (heart thing) does not appear at the top of this page; I do not know how to add it

DiZ page
I am of the opinion we should have a seperate DiZ page as it was one of Ansems seperate identities. i only say this because of the Captain Dark and Captain Light pagesShadowsTwilight 19:52, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * First off, it's Captain Justice. And it's not really a form. True "DiZ" has great significance, just like Captain Dark and Justice do (hence their own articles, regardless of the fact it's just Pete in some new duds). It's the same case : Ansem wraps a bandage around his head and calls himself "Darkness in Zero." Ergo, he's still Ansem, not a new form/character. - EternalNothingnessXIII 19:56, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

And Pete puts on a fruity Costume and calls himself captain justice or captain dark. It's still pete. and his and DiZ is too a form. Even his facial form changed if you look real close. besides, riku got a page for one of his forms, and its not much different ShadowsTwilight 05:28, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think DiZ should have his own page because he is his own charecter in his own write, think about it. DiZ and Ansem the Wise are the same person but also diffrent in meany diffrent ways thats my opinion anyway. Docyx 23 March 2010


 * It is seriously just some ribbons around his face. He still acts the same as he does at the end of the game, and has no unique abilities or anything. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:09, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * They don't change his whole wardrobe, because he's still wearing it. As for the beard, you can flatten stuff pretty fully when you wrap it down. Same way actors can wear a convincing bald wig. The skin color thing around his mouth - yes, that's different, but it's much more reasonable to chalk that up to Nomura fudging a detail to make it a "twist", rather than DiZ actually being physically different. All the other forms we cover in the games are physically different in nature - if it is visibly a change of clothes, there is still a prominent magical difference. Ribbons around the head just really don't achieve that meaningfulness. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:31, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

May I remind people of the contents of Secret Ansem Report 6, which states: ...I gained a newfound power. A superhuman power—the power of darkness. ...With this new power, I uncovered a "corridor of darkness" that connects the realm of nothingness to the outside world... To deceive Xehanort and my apprentices, I first used my power to change form before returning to the realm of light. He disguised himself with the power of darkness, but I don't think that counts as "changing his nature". --Neumannz 03:01, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, NAB, you don't listen at all.
 * I am not saying that DiZ doesn't have magical powers. I am saying that there is no evidence that Ansem does not have the same magical powers. For example, Sora's Wisdom Form has abilities that Final Form does not, and vice versa. They have separate magical natures. The same goes with his Merman Form and Lion Form. For Ansem, however, the only difference that we know of is that he takes the bandages off his face. Same clothes, and as far as we know, same abilities. We only want to have distinct pages if the character is distinct - for example, while Roxas is a form of Sora, he is a distinct being. There is no evidence whatsoever that DiZ is a distinct being from Ansem the Wise. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:16, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

But there is no major difference. It's an alias and a disguise, but it's not a different form. He doesn't have new abilities, behaviors, or motivations. He isn't being possessed. Granted, it is a transformation, but it is only a cosmetic one. --Neumannz 04:48, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

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 * "If you (well Neumannz realy, good on ya mate) would have brought up evidence like that earlier, than we would have gotten farther along with this converstation in less space on the wall."
 * Are you serious? Neumannz and me have been repeating the same thing since the beginning. Neumannz was even quoting me, for goodness sake.
 * Once we merge, there will still be no point in a "DiZ" subsection. DiZ is Ansem, I can't stress that enough. Any coverage on "DiZ" would simply be Ansem's plot synopsis between BBS and the end of KHII -- frankly, that's how the article already covers it. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:30, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

You mean Ansem the Wise? Well, lessee... "For some time, Ansem remained in the empty realm, constantly writing in order to maintain his sanity. Here, he also discarded his old, stolen name, and became DiZ ('Darkness in Zero'). Eventually, he found a way to escape when he gained the power of darkness, though he did not intend to let himself be consumed by it like his apprentices. With his new found powers, DiZ also garbed himself in a red robe and a mask made of red bandages in order to fully conceal his real identity." Well, if I remember correctly, Ansem's disguise involved using darkness to change his complexion and hide his beard (was it from an interview?) as opposed to just the bandages. At the very least, the S.A. Report indicates he used darkness. That should be indicated more clearly, I think.

Other than that, I think the "transformation" into DiZ is covered well enough. The rest of the article details what he did as DiZ, so I think it's fine. --Neumannz 06:04, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think DiZ deserves his own page because as Docyx states he is his own character in his own right and Riku-Ansem has its own page and it is just a different version of Riku as is DiZ a different version of Ansem. --ZexionFan321 02:29, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Neumannz, did I miss anything in the merge? Glorious  CHAOS!  04:00, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

It's looks like you grabbed everything. It could use a bit of proofreading (tenses and the like), but that's not because of the merge. Looks like a smooth merge to me. --Neumannz 04:21, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

his name
Yes, come to think of it, alot of Kingdom Hearts characters have strange names. Demyx? Xaldin? Ansem? Xehanort? I certainitly couldn't come up with 15 names with an X in them. (Bananaphone1996 00:07, April 15, 2010 (UTC))

change
can you change the realm of nothingness to darkness because ansem told aqua he's been there before during blank points.

He wasn't talking about after the machine exploded. The only time he's ever been known to have been in the RoN is after Xehanort banished him. He said he wandered around there for a while.01:47, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, but he's calling that the realm of darkness. Everything he uses to describe it fits how Aqua describes it, as well - "realm of nothingness" is just a metaphor or poetic phrase, not an actual term.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  06:34, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

change
can you change the last part of blank points section to the lives he managed to ruin instead of "cripped"

Re:coded
I'm unsure of if it should be noted here as an appearance, but from a vid of Re:coded I've seen, Namine makes reference to DiZ in the game's ending, and tells the Data-Sora he "hid" something inside the regular Sora during his sleep but wouldn't tell her what, saying he was "clearing his conscience." It's visible at 43:00 here. DoreikuKuroofangu 05:03, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ansem himself mentions he "hid" his research within Sora to "Clear his conscience" in Blank Points. Evnyofdeath 05:16, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah. Apologies, I'd not seen the English version of the vid. DoreikuKuroofangu 05:28, February 5, 2011 (UTC)