Talk:Kingdom Hearts

This could really use a better name... any ideas? Scott ch 17:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...I have no problems with it, but perhaps "Kingdom Hearts (dominion)"?DannyP 20:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)DannyP
 * What about Kingdom Hearts (heart)? Scott ch 01:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Dunno, that seems a little awkward. Maybe we should just stick with the original, or call it "Kingdom Hearts (object)"?

A Question
Umm, this may sound stupid, but is the Kingdom Hearts over The World That Never Was the same as the Heart of All Worlds. Or maybe it confuse everyone to say that there are actually two Kingdom Hearts. . . es, one the Heart of All Worlds and one created by the Nobodies by gathering hearts from Heartless? --A Heart of Balance 20:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Door to...
I'm pretty sure the actual name for the door is the Door to Darkness, but it's also worth mentioning that it leads to Kingdom Hearts. how about putting in both as a compromise?  Scott ch  23:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Hitari's Reply to this
Sorry but that doesnt make sense. Kingdom hearts wouldn't become yellow just because someone's eyes changed. The moon is the exact color as kingdom hearts. This is why someone professional should be handling the articles in wiki's. Also this is the reason now days why why wiki's cant be trusted.

Now wouldn't that be a great twist. Kingdom hearts changes color because Terra's eyes changes color. Thats total BS. Im sure the human brain's capacity allows logic to go at least a little further than that.

I thimk they meant that Terra's Eyes seemed to change because they reflected kingdom hearts; like a mirror

Possible Connection to BBS
I´ve got a question:Everbody says that the heartless are seeking Kingdom hearts.But Kingdom Hearts is in the darkness so they have to know where it is.Given that heartless can feel hearts and kingdom hearts is like the biggest heart in existence why would they seek it?They just have to know where it is.I am also pretty sure that the heartless were the ones who created Kingdom Hearts since its made out of Hearts wich were stolen by Heartless.

For all we know.203.105.95.93 12:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Blue Heart?
Quoth Trivia section: "In Kingdom Hearts II, the first battle with Armored Xemnas takes place inside Kingdom Hearts, when Xemnas had absorbed its power and turned Kingdom Hearts into a replica of The World That Never Was. During the fight, after the Altar of Naught is crumbling a large blue heart can be seen. "

Can we get picture proof of this? I just watched the cutscenes and boss fights, and saw no blue heart anywhere. This could be a good link between KHII and BbS, or pure BS. I think it should be further looked into by those with capable hands here on this wikia.203.105.95.93 12:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I know that at one point, Riku and Sora look off into the distance and see a blue something, sparkling and all. Is that what they could be talking about?99.174.166.189 18:04, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

NOT Really Kingdom Hearts
For one thing, there's no chance that we were really anywhere near the REAL Kingdom Hearts in either final boss battles of I or II. For one thing, it was all dark inside Kingdom Hearts during Xehnanort's battle and then it's all light and stuff against Xemnas. They CAN'T be the real Kingdom Hearts, but alternate dimensions. --Narutoheroes12 00:11, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * So, you're basing your assumptions on what Kingdom Hearts looks like on what, then? Glorious  CHAOS!  03:15, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Let's see. Kingdom Hearts is a sort of driving force, as Nomura puts it.
 * In the first place, can it be seen ?
 * Is what Xehanort/Xemnas calls "Kingdom Hearts" actually a man-made replica of a greater power ? Answer : Probably yes, because if (as Xemnas puts it) "Oh no, my Kingdom Hearts is in ruins", and if Kingdom Hearts is a lifeforce, then all would be immediately destroyed as there is no lifeforce to govern all things. Or, at least, that's how I'm seeing it.
 * What ARE those heart-shaped things in the sky from BBS to KHII, then ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 03:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure where you're getting that Kingdom Hearts is just a driving force. The games describe it pretty literally as a unified construct of lost worlds and lost hearts. Xemnas and Xehanort's Kingdom Hearts may be artificial, but they still are a "Kingdom Hearts". Based on the Door to Darkness mythology and the extra-significance of the Princesses of Heart, added to the fact that Xehanort's Heartless didn't know that that last door would destroy him, it's unlikely that it was a construct (at least, by humans), so that's probably the real Kingdom Hearts. No, we're not within the Kingdom Hearts in KH1, but no-one ever claims that we are - we're outside of it, the Darksides are inside.
 * As for being within it in KHII - We went in a door, but was that actually a door to Kingdom Hearts? Or just the last door, like the one to the Destiny Islands fragments? It would seem likely that we are within it in the final final battle, as it's supposed to be as close to darkness as possible, but seems like it is based on Xemnas's nothingness. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:35, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I think I'm lost. We were outside the real KH in the first game, but we weren't in the second game, right ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 04:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct. In KH we fight outside the door to Kingdom Hearts (the heart of all worlds). Then in KHII we fight inside Xemnas's Kingdom Hearts (a construct made of the neumerous hearts freed by the Keyblade). That should be accurate. Brago-77 05:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so I still need the response to the other question : what were those heart-shaped things in the sky in BBS and KHII ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 05:28, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I have no idea what that big blue heart is in BBS, and nobody else really does either for that matter. As for the other one, what heart shaped thing are you talking about in KHII? Brago-77 05:37, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

The apparent replica of Kingdom Hearts which Xemnas created. Is it just a replica or is it something more ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 05:57, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's an artificial Kingdom Hearts. Somehow he diverted released hearts to his KH instead of the natural one, but they explain that they are building a Kingdom Hearts. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Dammit, there're just too many questions arising.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 09:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Now hold on a minute, who said that hearts released by the Keyblade go to the original Kingdom Hearts? The first Kingdom Hearts we see is supposedly the heart of all worlds in existence, but we don't know for sure if it is actually made up of smaller hearts in the same way that Xemnas's Kingdom Hearts is. Man this is complicated. Brago-77 14:27, September 8, 2009 (UTC)