Talk:Eraqus

Cyan?
This guys might remind people of Cyan. Probably in due to his Samurai theme and his hair and facial hair

Name
find someone not lazy to translate famitsu.

..Wow. And I thought Yen Sid was bad... at least that sounds kind of like a mystical name. This is just awful. Dazuro 16:45, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Wha?
Why remove the reference. It's true D: Kaihedgie 17:11, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * According to who? We have the stuff about Reno on Axel's page because Nomura has outright confirmed it. Glorious  CHAOS!  17:32, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Okay? Someone else left the Terra-to-Zack reference and no one seems to mind about that. Matter of fact, he's not the only one. There's also Vexen-to-Hojo as well so might as well remove those too. Kaihedgie 17:45, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do. Glorious  CHAOS!  17:59, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Only there is another other problem: the Final Fantasy wiki acknowledges these comparisons and keeps them in the articles. With the resemblances being painfully obvious, why would you need to remove them? This series is part Square-Enix after all. So while actual FF cameos aren't making any appearances, new characters modeled after FF ones are showing up. So why the remove just because of a lack of confirmation? We don't need to have a confirmation to know how blatantly obvious it is.Kaihedgie 18:03, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that while it's clear he has FF influence, it is also clear that we don't exactly know what that influence is, exactly. It's blatant enough from his name that he's some kind of FF guy, let's leave it at that for now. We really shouldn't be encouraging speculation. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:32, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

So you wanted the reference removed just because you didn't know even though someone else did? |:/ Kaihedgie 01:00, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Remember your Riku example? Especially since we don't know anything about this guy besides appearance, it's really iffy to be claiming any basis right now. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:29, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

....Go straight to the Final Fantasy wiki and start lookin' up characters BEFORE FFVII. It seems pretty evident that nearly no one on here has actually played any FF games prior to VII. Kaihedgie 01:34, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, I have, no need for the tone. And how is he like Cyan, exactly, given what we know at the moment? They're both samurai, and...um...gee. They are so alike, my god.—Urutapu 01:40, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Similar build and facial features. It's not that hard at all. Kaihedgie 02:15, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Okay...Yeah. Delete his page...
The Japanese fansites are going to the trouble of spelling it out. To be fair though, they think that an X fits in there somehow, turning it from a Yen Sid analogue to something of an Organization precursor. Then again...we know Xemnas is descended from this group, it would make sense for him to get the idea somewhere. I just don't see how they fit the x there, it sounds like coughing. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:34, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh well, We're getting multiple hits for Erauqxs from several Japanese news-sites. Move? Glorious  CHAOS!  00:36, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Not sure if I'll go with the move just yet. Is there more than one site which suggests this spelling ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 00:39, October 15, 2009 (UTC) Let's wait a little bit, okay? See what happens...-- Ninja Sheik  00:41, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * 21, in fact. Only 4 english sites claim Erauqs. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:43, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * we were wrong about unbirths y'know.
 * So we should not present any information until the game is translated? Glorious  CHAOS!  00:47, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, you win. Look, I was able to translate this part, "The "Erakuusu" named, KH and conscious Nobody anagram series, square (square) read backward, or in addition to X "erauqXs"". Not very good, but...-- Ninja Sheik  00:46, October 15, 2009 (UTC) Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Wikipedia translated his name as Master Erauqxs. For now, we can go with that.-- Ninja Sheik  00:49, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Erauqxs is it, though I'm gonna be tongue-tied pronouncing it. It's just as bad as Troisdsifhsodfuvtashobgvh.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 00:53, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Okay.-- Ninja Sheik  00:53, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * And another reminder to all : no more aggression on speculation. If this happens, I'll not hesitate to slap a warning. Seriously, with that language...  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 00:58, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * The um, wikipedia one was me, since there were sources for it and not for Erauqs. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Then, I won't question your judgement. I believe in you.-- Ninja Sheik  01:33, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Really, no. This is hilarious. Jumping a guy, then adding in INCORRECT information on a wiki. You guys really are special. Oh, one last thing: http://heartstation.org/gallery/birth-by-sleep/birth-by-sleep-scans/Japan127.jpg.php?z&p=full-image  Yeah. Terra's keyblade DOES a have a keychain. So, now that you know, you can keep on adding that he doesn't. Keep it up you guys! Doing great so far...--NeutraVega 02:33, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I don't care about me. Just fix the page. There's bigger crap to work over than dealing with me. Like cleaning up the mess, for example. --NeutraVega 02:35, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Just to summarize:
 * 1) We do know that this character is the "Master" of the original, Square-Enix-based characters of the series, so he has ties to Square-Enix.
 * 2) Every available Japanese romanization uses "Master Erauqxs", which provides both a parallel to Master Yen Sid (who trained the leaders of the Disney characters) as well as context for Xehanort's anagram name. Every original name in this series is rife with meaning, and it's silly to suggest otherwise. (Pence, Olette, and Hayner are the closest in the series to "just names". Every single other character has some kind of meaning or theme to their names.)
 * 3) We have information on this character, and we need to have an article for the info. We are not going to wait for the game to come out in America to start providing information on it. Unless you can demonstrate a more accurate translation, NeutraVega, all you are doing is annoying the other editors. The point of a wiki is to improve information, not to wipe it away.
 * 4) Everyone, please. This is a hobby for all of us, and it has no lasting value or meaning. We are doing this to inform fans who were bewildered by the franchise's storyline, not to cure cancer or anything, so we need neither vitriol nor adoration here. Glorious  CHAOS!  07:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

We're done for the day here.
Yeah, you know what? We're just going to stop this right here while I sort some stuff out.

This argument (yes, argument, not discussion) is literally going nowhere. Therefore, the discussion will resume at a time when hopefully we can all behave in a more civilized fashion. Bebop Kate  02:41, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

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 * In regards to naming the article "Master Erauqs", instead of just Erauqs (trust me, this would be relevant whatever the actual spelling is), nearly every source, including the games themselves, generally calls Mickey "The King". If we're going purely by the published title, that's what we'd have to use. The standard wiki format, though, is to use the character's full name, and include titles in the lead. Glorious  CHAOS!  07:13, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

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We don't use their full names here. Hence Leon, etc. Dazuro 03:20, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a huge difference between aliases and titles, and the reasons for choosing between them. If we're going by journal entry, however, we have a bit of discussion to do about Mickey and Donald. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:45, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Correct, but the point stands. You just said we use their "full name" including titles. We don't use Squall's full name. Either way, calling him "The King" for the article title seems ridiculous to me--and the journal says Mickey Mouse, to my recollection, while his dialogue title is The King. I could be wrong, though. Dazuro 03:49, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that's not what I said. I said that the standard wiki format is to use the full name as the article name, and then include titles such as "King" in the article lead (first paragraph). "Leon" is his only given name in KH *, so it would be his full name as an article lead, since this is KH, not FF8. However, "Mickey Mouse" is mentioned within the games, even if it's not what the journal's call him, so we name his article "Mickey Mouse".
 * "The King" is what he's called in the CoM journal, on the CoM cards, and on the TCG cards. Its also what all famitsu etc. articles use. Days uses "The King" as well, for the few times it mentions his name. KH1 uses "Mickey Mouse", while KH2 uses "King Mickey".
 * The journal does say that Leon's full name is "Squall Leonhart", at least in KH2. As such, it should be moved as well, and possibly use nickname format (Squall "Leon" Leonhart), or just mention the alias in the lead. Glorious  CHAOS!  07:54, October 16, 2009 (UTC)