User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander

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Contact details for EOYE
Heya. Glad to have you as part of the team. Troisnyx here. Nice to meet you.

Any way we can stay in contact besides KHW? Are you on Skype by any chance? TRS NX  18:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Nice to meet you too. And no, presently all my other forms of contact are not exactly usable. I am also not on Skype. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 21:20, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Right. We really need to keep our correspondence private, and have a good way of sending each other files. What would you suggest, on that front? Both Neumannz and I have Skype and are pretty much thinking about how to start -- we're just waiting for you. TRS NX  21:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * What would I suggest? I don't know. I could try and see if my email account is working again. If not, maybe I could use my brother's. I'll have to get back to you on that sometime tomorrow. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 21:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay. If we do settle on e-mails, we'd need prompt responses, and we'd need to agree on a time for discussions. Neumannz and I will also have to pass you our respective e-mail addresses. TRS NX  21:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I've got nothing but time, so any time after 12:00 PM EST is good for me. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 21:57, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I go by GMT, so I'm five hours ahead of you. I have quite a lot of time on my hands, but tomorrow is not a good day. TRS NX  23:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Would you have a Gmail account? If you don't want to get a Skype account, we could use Google Hangouts. -- 23:38, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Day 2
So, any luck? TRS NX  23:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Yep. My account's still not working, but I got the OK my from my younger brother. Here's the email address: Just remove it once you've got it. And change of plans, I'm now only free from 9:00 to 10:20 AM. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 01:55, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. I'll think of the office implement that sounds like your brother's email address. Also, I'll be out today, and there's no guarantee I'd return by then, but I'll try. TRS NX  10:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

As it turns out, I am home and waiting for you. I hope to see you on Hangouts. TRS NX  13:42, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * EDIT: An hour has passed since you said you'd be on, and we're waiting still. TRS NX  14:52, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I overslept, but I'm here now! Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 15:11, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Alright. There's a Hangouts chat that can be accessed from the Gmail page, that Neumannz has set up. He's got both me and you. Don't worry about it. We can talk further there. <font color="#222222">TRS <font color="#444444">NX  15:13, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you need any help. -- 15:29, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

If there's one thing I hate, it's being a hindrance to others. The reason my email account isn't working is because it's asking for a password I don't have, I've tried every single thing I can think of. When I tried to use my brother's account on Google Hangouts just now, it asked for a password that HE didn't have. We've never used Google Hangouts before, beacause we're not very internet social poeple. I'm afraid this idea won't work, my sincerest apologies. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 15:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Any chance of setting up a new account? I'd really like us to work as a team for once, and have you in on the brainstorming. :( <font color="#222222">TRS <font color="#444444">NX  15:48, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I am many things. An expert at email accounts is not one of them. Do you know if it's possible to delete an account without needing a password, and then making a new one with the same name? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 15:55, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * They wouldn't let you delete an email account without verifying that it belongs to you, so probably not. I would suggest creating a secondary email account in the meantime. (Having a second email is also good when you need to reset a password.) -- 16:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * OK then. Should I get right on that? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 16:06, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Go for it. -- 16:19, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Can I still make the meeting? If not, I'll get to it later. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 16:23, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * We're still here. -- 16:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Day 3
Did you manage to make a new email address? There's so much we'd like to go through with you that a wall of text over an email isn't going to be enough. <font color="#222222">TRS <font color="#444444">NX  12:21, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No, and I forgot to tell you that I won't be able to make it on weekends. Here's my shcedule.
 * Staurday-Sunday: Unavailable.
 * Monday-Friday: Available at 9-10 EST.
 * Monday and Thursday: Available at 12-1 EST. I'll have the email thing sorted out by Monday. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 16:23, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for letting me know. ^_^ <font color="#222222">TRS <font color="#444444">NX  18:24, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Week 2
How's it going? Neumannz and I have not seen any hide nor hair of you... <font color="#222222">TRS <font color="#444444">NX  11:24, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ajano desa uha bnupmas ec cumjat yhudran uha bubc ib du myikr eh so vyla. Ev E ryt ghufh dryd E't haat so asyem vun drec, E fuimt ryja cdyndat uh ed frah E cekhat ib. Fro tu fa haat du ica Kuukma Ryhkuidc ykyeh? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:55, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Palyica ed'c y mud paddan du dymg eh naym-desa, nydran dryh caht oui y fymm uv daqd. Caneuicmo. Fa haat oui ehjumjat eh dra sygehk uv dra lrynyldan, hud zicd pa y pocdyhtan. Drec fyc fro E ycgat vun Skype ehedeymmo, yht oui sahdeuhat oui teth'd ryja y Skype ryhtma... <font color="#222222">TRS <font color="#444444">NX  15:13, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * E caa... Pid kejah dra bnacahd lenliscdyhlac, banrybc y "fymm uv daqd" ec dra uhmo fyo ed lyh fung. Ihdem drehkc uh so aht kad cundat uid.

Ymnekrd. Yho etay ruf muhk drehkc femm dyga? E tu hud sayh du bicr; E fyc zicd fuhtanehk. <font color="#222222">TRS <font color="#444444">NX  15:51, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Rynt du cyo, drana yna duu syho jyneypmac. Ev E ryt du kiacc, E't cyo syopa veja tyoc? E tihhu. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 20:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Bmayca tu ouin pacd uh drec -- fa'na naymmo luihdehk uh oui, yc fa yna luihdehk uh socamv yht Nezzy. E ymcu drehg Chainoffire ec kuehk du lralg uh ic yht caa ruf fa'na tuehk, duu, yht ra't nyeca y nat vmyk ev cusauha'c hud syhykat du luhhald vun xieda y frema. <font color="#222222">TRS <font color="#444444">NX  23:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

EoYE check ups!
I can do the work, I'm just missing some key details that keep me from getting started. I can get it done in time though, I think. I've made a breakthrough on my communications problem today though, so I should be able to really start moving. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:00, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Vanitas Remnant
Just a heads up, the Vanitas Remnant is not non-canon. 05:59, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

There a reason you're telling me this? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 20:49, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Help with Unchained
Every English translation you can add is very helpful at the moment, since formats for medals and avatar boards haven't been decided yet they can wait a bit longer. If you know the origin of the "Medalist" title you could add it to, but you probably already received it. -- 08:36, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

KHWV party?
We migrated to Vulpes, any chance I could get your ID so we can invite you to our party? 16:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's 28167 but I'm already part of Team Shadow Skill. Maybe I'll leave and join you guys next week, I at least owe my team all 600,000 Lux that I've gathered these last two days. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:17, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Contact me on facebook (I'm on the identified list for the wiki's facebook page) and I'll add you to our facebook chat. We're currently focusing on marathoning the Queen Bee. 04:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the Help!
I just wanted to thank you for offering your advice for my Userpage. I'm not very new to the KH universe, but the Wiki is a bit of a different story. I will use your advice and, again, thanks! Darkviney (talk) 12:02, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem, man. Happy to help. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 02:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Riku Replica
Just a heads up that I reverted your edit on that article, with a link to the justification. 15:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Before I say anything, I'd just like to personally apologize for my behaviour all those years ago. It was rude, disrespectful, and unprofessional, and I'm sorry.
 * With that out of the way, I still disagree and stand by my belief that that was simply a dream version of Riku. Riku states that the world has gone back in time, Yen Sid said that the Sleeping Worlds are dreaming of events that have already happened, and claiming that the Riku Replica somehow came back to life, found a way into the Realm of Sleep, found and put on a black coat, and journeyed into Monstro to replay an event he may not even recall from Riku's memories is a serious stretch. It sounds like speculation to me, but I'll just leave it at that. If this is what you want to stick with, I'll stand down. But I will point this information out to people whenever possible. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No one's claiming that it came back to life and did all that other stuff. They're claiming it did the exact same thing that all the other dark characters who appear in similar circumstances did -- be brought there by Young Xehanort. There's no reason to assume it should be any type of unique situation, given that all the other Xehanorts who appear in the game are...well, the game is very reiterative, to put it charitably. 04:41, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Firstly, it occurs to me now that I might have sounded a little rude or condescending possibly. My aloof personality doesn't translate into text well, I guess. And you're right that no one's claiming that, I apologize. Although, do you mean to imply that the Riku Replica is a Seeker of Darkness? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 02:05, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Either a Seeker or a tool of the Seekers, like the Vanitas remanifestation. There's no way that thing just popped up in their signature black coat as a random goof. 04:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There are indications that he would be a Seeker. For one, he'd have yellow eyes and pointed ears. For two, he would've had these physical traits when he returned to his time, before he died. For three, Master Xehanort would have to use his Keyblade to plant a heart fragment in him so that Young Xehanort would be able to bring him forward in time. If he's from the present, why kidnap Pinoke? Why show his face and leave? Why not say anything? And why wouldn't Young Xehanort be with him? And others have come into possession of black coats. DiZ was able to get one perfectly designed for Mickey and his ears, and I don't think DiZ likes to sew. I get your point about it not being random though, but a logical assumption is still an assumption. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 02:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, it's possible it's an elaborate ruse. In the mean time, we go with Occam's Razor, and the Razor says that the character referred to by Riku, who gets a memento to his game, is the character we see immediately before that reference and memento, just like with all the other black-coated guys, and most importantly, not an entirely new entity that we would be assuming just kind of disappears with no other effect on the storyline.
 * "For one, he'd have yellow eyes and pointed ears." -- That's an incorrect assumption. Riku's had Xehanort's heart fully in him and not immediately gained yellow eyes and pointed ears, and for that matter, so did most of the original Organization. We cannot assume the yellow eyes as a universal rule.
 * As for the Keyblade thing, he could have done, there's no reason to be sure he didn't, but that's also not the requirement:
 * "There are restrictions to movement through time. First, you must leave your body behind to do it. Then, there must be a version of you waiting at the destination. Upon arrival, you can only move forward as per the laws of time. And you cannot rewrite the events that are destined to happen."
 * There was a version of Riku Replica present -- Riku. And we already know from Days that Replicas are capable of growing hearts.
 * "If he's from the present, why kidnap Pinoke? Why show his face and leave? Why not say anything? And why wouldn't Young Xehanort be with him?"
 * Why do any of those things even if he's not? His behavior was vague and spooky, just like Vanitas's was. Most of what the Seekers said in that game anyway was nonsense, and they just seemed to be trying to spook Sora and Riku, rather than actually accomplish anything (esp. knowing that they can't actually do anything but spook Sora and Riku, as that would rewrite events.) From a meta-perspective -- it's so they have a character from CoM in order to memento that game.
 * "DiZ was able to get one perfectly designed for Mickey and his ears, and I don't think DiZ likes to sew."
 * He took them from Castle Oblivion, and the coats change size to fit their wearer. Riku didn't need to get a new one when he changed form, nor did Xion. 13:08, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I just don't think we have enough solid facts to back this up and that we shouldn't mislead people just because of our personal opinions. We should just say that someone who looks like Riku in a black coat appears in Monstro, and not link to the Riku Replica when saying this. Also, Ansem had possessed Riku's body but he didn't infect him. And while the black coats do change shape when worn, we see that the coat DiZ gives Mickey already has the large ears. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I can see why you're antsy about saying it's him without him being directly named, but Riku does immediately talk about the Replica, and the Memento pops up. I feel with the context, we're being less informative by implying that there is a new Riku clone running around with no apparent purpose.
 * "Also, Ansem had possessed Riku's body but he didn't infect him."
 * I don't see where you're getting this distinction from. Xehanort's heart was put into Riku's body, just like with each member of the Organization and with Terra-Xehanort. Some of those, like Terra-Xehanort, responded immediately to the insertion, while others, like Demyx, did not.
 * "And while the black coats do change shape when worn, we see that the coat DiZ gives Mickey already has the large ears."
 * He still says the coats were the ones the Nobodies had worn. He never claims to have made them himself. 05:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Less informitive is better than misinformitive, right? Demyx? Where and when was that ever even hinted let alone implied? He could have meant the same type of coats instead of the exact same coats. And didn't I say he didn't make them? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:38, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that it is misinformative. The game is not merely dropping hints -- the script mentions the character, it has him show up in a parallel situation to Vanitas (another dark offshoot of Sora, through Ventus), he's wearing a coat that is specifically designed to link him to Xehanort, and the game follows up the appearance with a memento in the same manner as it follows characters from other games with mementos of those games. Riku never actually calls the character "Riku Replica" to his face, but he never does that in CoM either, so it's not a meaningful criticism.
 * "Xemnas and Xehanort formed the Organization for a specific reason--round up a bunch of empty husks, hook them up to Kingdom Hearts, then fill them all with the exact same heart and mind. Translation--they were gonna turn all the members into Xehanort."
 * He could have, but there's no reason to assume he did. Your original rebuttal was "And others have come into possession of black coats." That may be true, but their source is always traced back to Xehanort -- the Ultimanias even explicitly state that the black coats the Organization wears are derived from the one worn by Xehanort:
 * "Q9: Where did the Organization’s coat and mark come from? / A: Xemnas remembering his human years. / The coat used by the Organization was something that Master Xehanort originally wore." 14:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Honest question: Do you think we've been discussing this for too long? OK, I get it. You disagree with me. I'm semi-fine with that. I won't argue the point any further. 'Cause in the end, it's up to you. I've somewhat enjoyed our discussion, but I just can't find the strength to continue. Thank you for alerting me to the revert, though. That was very kind of you. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 04:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Nah, you've raised some good points. I still disagree, but you should never feel like I "overrule" you on stuff like this -- if you want, post a RfQ on the article's talk page, try to get some more eyes on it. Maybe someone will have a source that conclusively proves my interpretation wrong. 13:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Well, you are more experienced than me when it comes to the wiki. I mostly only anonymously ghosted around until recently. It's not that you "overrule" me, it's more that you "outrank" me. I was thinking about taking this to the talk page a while ago, and perhaps I will. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * BTW -- me arguing (somewhat forcefully) above should not be construed as me speaking for the wiki. I don't have a huge procedural objection to rewriting the page to be more clear as you suggest -- I just believe it isn't necessary. If you can get a few other editors supporting your version of the page, then go wild. 17:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Signature
Just so you know, all signatures should contain the user's username. If you'd like, you can read my tutorial on signatures in the magazine (Page 8). 17:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you kind sir. However your tutorial led me to this page where a user named LightRoxas did not have his name in his signature. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 02:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I removed his signature from the list and put a message on his talk page. 16:42, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

IRC
Okay, what is confusing you about the IRC? -- 00:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Everything. Look, thank you for offering, but let me stand on my own two feet and figure it out for myself. If I need help, I'll ask. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:35, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Aren't you being a little bit dickish to him? --Ignis (talk) 13:29, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Firstly, please try not to swear on my talk page. Secondly, I thought I came off as kind but firm. Did I really come across as rude? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 02:33, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not just rude, but like you also have a giant stick up your ass. I know I haven't been here all that long, but I've at least gathered as much that neither of those are terribly appreciated.  If someone offers you help with something you plainly need help with, the least you can do is not be an ass when you refuse them.  Sooo....you know, relax.  --Ignis (talk) 02:50, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I am relaxed. I'm a little aggravated that you seem to be insulting me, but I'm chill. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 02:59, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Good! Chill is good.  Relaxed is good too.  Right up there with nirvana.  Go the extra mile and make yourself a sea breeze, even!  All I'm saying is, or was, is that there's no reason to be nasty.  :)  --Ignis (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, I didn't think I was being nasty. Why did you think so? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 01:34, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ever watched Arrested Development? Well, if you did, then you'd know Tobias Funke is the master of unintentional double meanings.  (If you didn't....THEN GO WATCH IT ALREADY!)  You want to say one thing, but it ends up coming out differently.  "If I need help, I'll ask" comes off as the sort of thing that your boss says to you after you brought them the wrong coffee in the morning, and want to make up for it by fetching the stapler.  However, if you said something like "Thanks for the help, but I'll try to figure it out again" comes off like you're genuinely grateful for his offer, yet you still want to try and do it your way.  :)  Oh, and about the "please don't swear" thing.  Firstly, I didn't swear (initially!) - "dickish" isn't a swear word, though it certainly is crude.  And....don't be a prude.  They're just words.  If you find yourself offended by mere words rather than the meaning behind them, then maybe the internet isn't the best place for you to be on...  Try a monastery!  (Though....don't kid yourself!  Nuns are among the naughtiest of them all!)--Ignis (talk) 05:20, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Arrested Devolpment doesn't sound like my kind of thing from the name, unless it's like Case Closed. Look man, I am just a very casual and laidback person, with a good bit of manners. True, text can't really convey how people speak too well, but you didn't need to add your input to my response in the first place. So I don't like crude words, I still watch stuff like One Piece, Fairy Tail, One Punch Man, and dozens upon dozens of others. The game series this wiki is for is never higher than E10+, so I prefer my talk page not deviate from that rating also. I'm well aware I can't control what people say or do, but I can still ask them to watch what they say and to avoid using crude language when they can. It's not a majorly big deal. (I'd also sooner use a pool of lava as a hot spring than visit a monastery.). Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 23:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * This is my fault, sorry. I thought you were asking for help when we talked about the IRC earlier, and I asked Nezzy to help you when he had free time. 04:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's alright. Like dirt on my shoulder, I just brush it off. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 23:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Ventus and Vanitas
I was coordinating information from another page and given the fact I tried starting a discussion TWICE on Ventus's talk page and the forum and no one bothered to reply, you'd have to excuse me for taking charge since no one seemed to care enough to have a discussion with me.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 03:56, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You were coordinating without permission. Granted, you shouldn't need permission to make an edit, but yours lacked a factual basis other than your opinion, which effectively makes it speculation, at least in my eyes. From what I can see, you didn't even wait two days for a reply. You should wait at least a week, like I have. You may not have noticed, but there aren't too many users here, and most of them can't be on everyday. Those that can, may not go through all the Recent Changes. Just because no one has time doesn't mean they don't care. Some may just have nothing to say or no strong opinion on the matter. I can't speak for other users, but I assure you that everyday, I go through every edit made to this wiki. I reverted your edits because you jumped the gun and didn't source your statements. I could be wrong about all of this though, in which case you should probably go see Mr. Kryten. He's more experienced than I am. But I was on at the time and felt your edits to be premature and sub-par. I formally apologize if you feel personally insulted by something I've said here, but that doesn't excuse your rash actions. If you want to be helpful and not hurtful to the wiki, I suggest reading through this and this. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 02:31, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not insulted. I just like to point out I tried to reach out and start a discussion before making such an edit. Next time, I'll give it a week before taking any action. Wikis are supposed to give facts so we shouldn't have conflicting information on different pages. Ventus's page still says the metaphysical battle at Ventus's Dive happened after Ventus-Vanitas's fight with Aqua and Mickey. I'll leave it to you to decide what to do with that information.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 07:09, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Cloud is at least correct about Ventus's heart remaining within Sora's body:
 * "1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’s heart.     As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora  and Ventus’s hearts are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of  Sora, was affected by that link and looks just like Ventus.   When Sora was born into the world, he linked with Ventus and filled in his  fractured heart. Many years later, when Ventus was on the verge of  disappearing after his fight with Vanitas, Sora took him into his own  heart."
 * I'm still investigating the edits to Vanitas's page. Regardless, Rex's actions were correct -- stuff like this that isn't explicitly demonstrated within the regular gameplay absolutely must be cited. This includes information revealed in interviews, in the journal, or in flashbacks to the game's chronological time from games set later in the timeline. Please see Terra-Xehanort for an example of citing canon content from irregular sources. If you can't yet find the proper citation, you may add the material to the page but leave it invisible, as I've done with the new First Breath concert stuff on Namine's page. 14:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC)