Talk:Isa

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I went to KH13.com and one of the information said it like this: - Lea (Axel) and Sia (Saix) appear as children. They are speaking with Ven (in what looks like Radiant Garden?) They look to be about the same age. Axel looks similar to Hayner and is wearing a scarf-like thing. Saix is wearing clothes that have a moon symbol on them. Lea: “It’s because we’re friends. Got it memorized?” thats probably the name of Saix's orginal self. --Cococrash11 18:16, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11

Well what do you guys usulllay do when you don't know the offical name of something? --Cococrash11 18:23, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11

Are you going to move Sia to Saix's Complete Being? I already search the name and you guys haven't even made a article called Saix's Complete Being --Cococrash11 18:45, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Coccorash11

Fine do whatever you think is right but what if Sia is his real name what will you guys do? --Cococrash11 22:36, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11

You know, what really surprises me is the fact that although Lea and Saïx's Complete Being are about the same age as Ven in BBS, in KHII, only about 11 years later, they look a lot older. I mean Axel, his look I understand. But Saïx loks more like he's 40, or more. 22:53, 19, December, 2009 User:Veroso

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Somebody
I'm sorry for the incomin' tangent, but are we really gonna rename it 'Somebody'? Kaihedgie 08:00, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

True Name from Famitsu (DO NOT EDIT YET)
Yes.-- 20:45, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Someone's having a war with us. Someone please make him stop.-- 20:48, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Xemwath.-- 20:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

You said that once before. Now, the name is decided for now. If it's wrong, we can change it. And when you put the "I" make sure they have the dots above it. Good thing I know where to get that kind of "I".-- 20:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

EXUCSE ME!?! WATCH YOUR MOUTH!-- 20:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

We'll wait until scans come out. See how they spell it, deal?-- 21:03, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Good. Any news from Dilan's voice actor?-- 21:07, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the move, as KHInsider itself says to take it with a grain of salt. There is no reason to move this before getting an actual scan.
 * As for the diaeresis, it would not appear in the Japanese name, and there's no need for it to appear in the English. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:15, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Okay.-- 21:17, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

YES HE IS!! SOMEONE PLEASE SHOW HIM PROOF!-- 21:39, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Xemwath, you're about to be blocked for misconduct. Act like an adult.
 * The grammar Thornton uses is clearly phrased to answer the question without violating his non-disclosure. He's as confirmed as he needs to be until the game comes out.
 * The dots will not be in the original name. They are not present in the Japanese, and are not needed in the English. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:52, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

His name is Isa, then?

I F*CKING KNEW IT! THANK GOD!

--oddishh 21:54, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

But when he answered you, Maggosh-kun, he said he was playing the role, not a role. If he was working on it, but didn't know who he was voicing, shouldn't it say "a role" instead of "the role"? This proves it. Kirk Thornton is voicing Isa.-- 21:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

It's not like they told us anything from the plot. They just told us that who they're voicing for. That's all. It's not a crime.-- 22:27, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I gotta say, I prefer Ais, but Isa means 'Moon' in Sanskrit so that was my second choice. Except now I'm going to think of that stupid iguana from Dora the Explorer. >.>

--oddishh 03:48, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Isa confirmed
He also looks freaking awesome, though it's less of a jumpsuit, more of a jacket. :P Adam 148 15:01, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Shweet. Can't wait to see what Lea looks like. Adam 148 15:04, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Inorite? XD He looks amazing. Lea has horizontal hair :P Adam 148 15:10, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Eye color
Is it worth mentioning in the appearance section that Isa has a different eye color than Saix?--Randomnessity 16:30, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Ok good. I did see that right.--Randomnessity 16:37, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Thats true too. I didn't notice that before.--Randomnessity 16:47, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Age
They grew up together. They are the same age. In the novels, it said that Axel is 10 years older than Roxas. Roxas is 15, making Axel 25. Saix is likely the same.-- 23:41, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Ienzo is like seven! He's probably like 17 when the Organization was created. A lot can happen in ten years.-- 23:48, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Wait, wait Terra has a nobody ? - Jurrak

Maybe when a Nobody joins the Organization, they hit a mega growth spurt. That would explain Xigbar being an old man, and Zexion, Axel, and Saix being older than their original beings.-- 22:41, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

another possibility is that some of the members look older because of (physiological) stress, also I think that Xemna's statement was a delusion of grandure--Foutlet 01:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

English Pronounciation?
Ok so you know how Japanese says LEA (LEA-UH) and in English it's LEA (LEE). Is it possible that ISA (EYE-ZUH) is pronounced ISA (E-SAH) in english?

I always imagined it to be ISA (EYE-SAH) ShadowsTwilight 18:35, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ears.
It says in the Appearance section of the article that his ears aren't pointed like Saix's, but if you look at the Ultimania picture of him, they look pretty pointed to me. Axel&#39;s Sentiment 07:13, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * True. Wonder if they did the same for the render... 11:11, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

The 'other'?
Why must I always find gripes? XD

Okay, why are we calling them 'others' all of a sudden when it's not even an official term? The only person who uses it is Roxas and it's only once, and used through his point of view. Kaihedgie 05:24, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because we don't have any "Official Terms", by your definition, so we are using the closest approximate based on the games. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:37, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Used by only one person, a term that wasn't even capitalized, and used from a specific point of view....Why not just call them what they really are: Human XDKaihedgie 07:32, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

And what do we call other complete beings that aren't human? Simba for example. There's already been a big discussion about this here.07:37, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Call 'em 'Non-human' It's going to sound really stupid to label every single 'complete being' as 'other' or 'somebody' on account of the Nobodies and not...you know, Heartless. Kaihedgie 18:37, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, Humans. And Nobodies and Heartless are not Humans, since we're treating that as a separate category. Meaning that "Non-human" is a completely useless and undefinable category. Never mind that full-humans are a small minority among the original characters in the series, much less the Disney ones. And also ignoring that "Human" is a fan-designation.
 * Honestly, why do people prefer fan-designations that completely fail in the purpose we need them for, as opposed to terms used in the game for EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED. Glorious  CHAOS!  18:41, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Xaldin indicates at one point that Nobodies aren't human (using the word human) in Days. I'll need to go back and check for details though.19:22, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Him not Saix
— Xigbar and Saix appeared as members of Organisation XIII. Did they return as humans like Lea and the others?

Nomura: The conditions of becoming a human have been met, so you’d think they had returned, wouldn’t you? For them to have been with Xehanort and the others, perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up. You could say the same for the members of Organisation XIII that didn’t appear in this title, however… I’d rather everyone use their imaginations.

Isa is in DDD not Saix.
 * Argh, stop it. The reports call him Saix, Nomura refers to him as Saix, he is Saix but is an entelechy, as is Xigbar. They stuck to their Nobody names as they are part-Xehanort, and since you know Xehanort's fetish with the letter X is prevalent, he wouldn't have them return to their normal names. Essentially, they are Nobodies with the heart of Xehanort. So stop trying to fight it. 09:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, the Ultimania explicitly says it's Saix. I believe the Ultimania, rather than your interpretation of a fan-translation of a deliberately vague interview answer.
 * Also also, seeing as this new "Nobodies grow hearts" thing directly contradicts past statements, can everybody stop assuming that whatever Nomura hints at in interviews, where he's trying to hype the game, is 100% accurate? He's stringing people along, it's what he does.192.249.47.177 13:22, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Does the secret scene from 2.5 mean we can finally put the KH3D debacle to rest now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRyeNBKTLtQ Happens a short time before Lea and the others wake up. Isa's in the background with the rest of them, so it was almost certainly him in KH3D (just being called Saix for whatever reason by the journal), not a version of Saix from the past. Ties in with a line from the 3D Ultimania too (p. 429): "...perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up." Ultima Spark   (talk)   10:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but note that in the secret ending, Braig and Young Xehanort are speaking. However, the character seen in Dream Drop Distance is not Braig, it's Xigbar. I personally believe Braig and Isa have returned, but their nobodies are also back through time travel. I thought all four (the restored personas and their Nobodies) had become a part of the Organization, but now I'm not sure whether that's true, because the ending puts into question what Braig has decided to do. What's true from the video is that both Braig and Xigbar exist at the same time, one thanks to time travel. So, there's a chance the same is true for Isa and Saïx, no? 15:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. That's very clearly Braig in the SE, while Xigbar is in DDD. We still don't know what the visual cue is between Isa and Saix, but considering the appearance of the one in DDD, I would still say that one is Saix, and the one on the floor here is Isa.

Also, why would the journal just "call" him Saix if he wasn't Saix? -- 15:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It's also possible that Xigbar and Saïx have been created once more by turning Braig/Isa in a Heartless and Nobody (again). 16:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I Believe so. Byzantinefire (talk) 17:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Revived Isa is in both the coded secret ending and DDD, as per the Memorial Ultimania (original, translation, source). Near the bottom of the "Young Xehanort" column. Unless someone here who knows Japanese reviews the page and comes to a different conclusion/new info comes out, I think it's fair to edit the article to reflect this (until further notice). Also confirms that his scar and the sigil being the same shape probably isn't a coincidence, but that's been self-evident for some time now. Ultima Spark  (talk)   14:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * So we can't put this to rest. A translation of a different page of the same Ultimania, translated here, under Update 2, says it's Saïx, not Isa, who's a part of Organization XIII. Unless their translation is wrong. Anyone? It's supposed to be Page 9, for those with the Ultimania. 16:11, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Page 9 does call him Saix, that's true. But the original Japanese from the "Xehanort Experience Record" (“真のXIII機関”の一員として、アイザを回収. ) specifically calls him by his human name. So now the book is contradicting itself or something??? (I have my theories as to why it wouldn't necessarily be a contradiction, but with the plot being convoluted as it is...) Ultima Spark   (talk)  Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png 21:20, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Copying this from my talk page, sorry for the repetitive edits: "Just a bit further down, it actually calls him by both names! The way it's written seems to imply just the one being, rather than two from differing time periods." Ultima Spark   (talk)  Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png 21:32, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * So, what your saying is that Square Enix doesnt know its own  confusing-mess-of-a   story? Square pls.  21:35, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Any chance you could upload the image to the wiki, or central wikia? I can't see the imgur from here. 21:47, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Bump. 09:57, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The entire point of the Org is to have other people's bodies with Xehanort's heart. This is what had happened in the original Organization for Saix and Xigbar, and is why they had yellow eyes. Isa is, by definition, a person that has Isa's body and Isa's heart, so it wouldn't make any sense for it to be Isa again -- Saix and Xigbar are the only confirmed members of the original organization to be successful "vessels".
 * The line that mentions Isa says "To be a member of the true Organization XIII, Isa was collected." That doesn't preclude that he was collected before the others woke up, then turned back into Saix. 20:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Currently, the Braig article references him being a vessel of Xehanort in the Story and Personality sections. It also notes that Braig's eyes turned yellow by the end of BBS, when he faced Terra, Ventus and Aqua at the Keyblade Graveyard. And considering that Sora was influenced when he hosted Ventus' heart and that Terra's heart is presumably still lurking there in Terra-Xehanort somewhere, it's very possible that whole people with their own hearts can still take on a piece of Xehanort's heart and become a whole vessel. 21:30, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Braig (and presumably Isa) aren't Seekers of Darkness, Xigbar (and presumably Saix) are Seekers of Darkness instead (because of time travel), then in KH3, wouldn't we have to defeat all 13 Seekers of Darkness plus Braig and Isa to truly get rid of Xehanort? Since Braig and Isa both still have pieces of Xehanort inside of them as well (telling by Braigs yellow eyes and pointy ears), then Xehanort wouldn't truly be gone until we defeat Braig and Isa as well, right? Unless Braig and Isa are Seekers of Darkness of course (Which I think they could very well be since Young Xehanort took Isa in the 2.5 secret ending). --Elfdemon (talk) 22:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Huh? I don't think you phrased that properly. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 04:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Braig was the one we saw in the 2.5 secret ending correct? And Xigbar was the one seen in DDD? I'm just thinking that if Braig and Isa are not Seekers of Darkness and it's Xigbar and Saix instead, then wouldn't we have to defeat Braig and Isa as well, even if they're not Seekers of Darkness? They have pieces of Xehanort inside of themselves as well, so Xehanort wouldn't truly be gone for good if we don't defeat them as well, right? --Elfdemon (talk) 06:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. Yes, that is correct. Thank you for rephrasing that. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 19:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)