Talk:Keyblade of heart

Where

 * What's the Japanese name? I wanna see if I can come up with a translation that's less...I dunno, lame. No offense. But something like "Keyblade of the Hearts of Man" sounds better, right?—Urutapu 17:16, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Dark Keyblade
Though I had expected it to be removed, I'm still curious as to why this is so when this Wiki itself uses that term for it frequently. Doreiku Kuroofangu 10:20, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * We have a name for it, and "Dark Keyblade" is never used in official material, to my knowledge. If it is, we can readd it. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:08, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, but if we have an official name why are we still using fan-coined names? Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:05, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Still waiting on an answer. I'm fine with using the official name, I'm just looking for some consistency as all. "Dark Keyblade" is even the phrase being used on Wikipedia, and like I said before I see the term used a lot in the fandom. Doreiku Kuroofangu 08:01, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've no idea, honestly. Has it been referred to as the Dark Keyblade in any of the guides (Ultimania even) ? If not, then I think we should switch it to Keyblade of People's Hearts. Agi Idup Agi  Ngelaban !  08:04, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's already titled that. I had added a bit "also known as the Dark Keyblade". Besides using the term in pages, the Wiki here also has a redirect with that name. I'm just saying, if the fan name is going to be used here, whats the harm is noting it on the page itself? And if the fan name isn't going to be used, why are we using it? Doreiku Kuroofangu 08:31, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm. Weird. Agi Idup Agi  Ngelaban !  08:33, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Since no one cares enough about the Dark Keyblade thing, something else to bring up. Apparently BBS mentions this Keyblade in Xehanort Report #6. Taken from a GameFaqs forum:
 * "Report 6, there are three types of keyblade, keyblade of the world of light, of the world of darkness, and of one's heart. The keyblade of one's heart is a by product of the war, without it, you cant reach Kingdom Hearts. If to collect 7 hearts of pure light, you can complete the Keyblade of One's Heart, to open Kingdom Hearts. if one could open Kingdom Hearts, it means one can obtain all worlds and people in their hands"
 * Just a note, obviously the translation is spotty but it seems a reference to this Keyblade. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:33, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Judging by the fact that it uses exactly the same name, yes. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:55, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Incomplete
"As an incomplete Keyblade, it lacks a keychain."

Where is this stated, the reason it doesn't have a Keychain? There could be several reasons, unless the above has been directly stated. Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:31, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

As of birth by sleep's release this and the dead ones in the Keyblade graveyard are the only ones without keychains.No Idea what that means but there you go.204.211.185.107 15:12, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Besides, aren't all Keyblades artificial? Xehanort's Report stated that, all Keyblades, Realm of Light, Realm of Darkness or Keyblade of Hearts were created by men, the X-Blade being the only one not really "created", being alongside Kingdom Hearts instead of work with it like the other... to my knowledge just the Keyblade of Hearts and the X-Blade can interact with Kingdom Hearts entirely, and Kingdom Key and Kingdom Key together, being the representative Keyblades of each Realm... 192.168.1.1 12:18 (GMT), February 02, 2011

Move Template

 * Like the template says, the Xehanort Report gives it a modified name. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:14, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Just Clarifying

 * The quote specifically says it unlocks the Keyhole of Hollow Bastion.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  04:12, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

"Of" or "in"? -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  04:26, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but however, the Final Keyhole in Kingdom Hearts IS Hollow Bastion's keyhole... or at least, the artificial one. 06:10, December 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, but since its role, function, and origin are different than the natural one, can it still be called "the Keyhole of Hollow Bastion"? -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  06:13, December 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It probably can but it does not protect the heart, so isn't Hollow Bastion still prone to Heartless attack? In addition to that, I just started wondering, why didn't Hollow Bastion fall to Darkness and end up in End of the World. Unless an artificial heart was made within the artificial Keyhole, not only that but would the place where that contraption which appears in End of the World, that the corridor with the Heartless Emblem actually leads to the door that leads to the true Keyhole? That the true heart of Hollow Bastion is within darkness, now released but still prone to Darkness overtakes? I think I just confused myself. ._. 06:39, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Radiant Garden is also known as the "City of Light", so it's completely possible that it has a significant place in the universe, like Land of Departure, and that the "final keyhole" is it's Keyhole. Either way, when you lock the "final keyhole", the game tells you that Hollow Bastion has been locked.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  15:52, December 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Based on?(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  07:08, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, is this just a question of what to call it? Because I agree that we shouldn't really be calling this one the Keyhole of Hollow Bastion, since there already was one. -- 06:39, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Move
This should be moved to "Keyblade of Hearts". Having looked through the Xehanort reports in BBS, that's what it's called, "Keyblade of People's Hearts" I'm assuming is a fan translation of the original Japanese reports. DoreikuKuroofangu 17:48, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

Me eitherAlVan 18:03, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

"Keyblade of People's Hearts refers to this specific Keyblade." - and where do you think that name comes from? DoreikuKuroofangu 18:24, 12 May 2011 (EDT)
 * EDIT - My mistake, forgot about the Director Reports. Could someone link me to them so I could read for myself please? DoreikuKuroofangu 18:33, 12 May 2011 (EDT)
 * We don't have the originals, though heartstation should (It's in the KHII ultimania, I think). The name of the Keyblade appears in the BbS ultimania, as I recall, which is where I got the nihongo. I believe you are right about "Keyblade of hearts" being the correct dub name, but we have not yet been able to confirm that the Japanese version of the game uses the "Hito no Kokoro no Kīburēdo" name in that Xehanort Report. There was a move template up at one point, though I don't know what happened to it. 03:09, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

Contradictions
Does anyone else notice that a lot of the supposed functions of the KoPH that are stated in BBS also seem to be contradicted by it? Xehanort's & Terra's Keyblades, which are by all indications Keyblades of Light, have also been shown to be able to affect hearts. And one wonders how Xemnas managed to create Kingdom Hearts if "without this Keyblade, Kingdom Hearts is forever beyond one's grasp."75.195.105.180 18:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * What says the KoPH is the only one able to affect hearts? As for Xemna's KH, I can only speculate that because it was forced into creation by fusing the collected hearts instead of occurring naturally, as the other one did, Xemnas had another way to access it. It's only fair to note, however, that we'll never know how he planned to do it, since his Kingdom Hearts was broken before he could access it normally. -- 19:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Up until I read that Report, I was fully willing to accept that there were multiple ways to get to Kingdom Hearts, & that a Keyblade might not even be needed. But he brought it back into the plot specifically to say that it's the only way to do it. As for the other thing, to quote Ansem, "Unlike yours, THIS Keyblade has the power to unlock people's hearts." Okay, you could give a weak handwave that he was being an Unreliable Narrator for one reason or another, but that still begs the question of just what is so special about this thing.Neo Bahamut 08:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Master Xehanort can also unlock the darkness of the heart. Case in point: Vanitas. The only thing I'm really noticing is that the KoPH allowed Sora to do it without all of the dark powers & experience supposedly necessary.Neo Bahamut 19:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * KH1 also indicated that there was only one, legendary Keyblade for each realm, with the KoPH being an artificial anomaly. Any attempt to reconcile its presentation in KH1 with the overflowing glut of Keyblades we get in KH2 and beyond ends up being nonsensical or having plot holes, especially Nomura's official attempts.
 * The current retcon seems to be: Riku was incorrect, anyone can unlock hearts; the X-blade is necessary to open the door to the true Kingdom Hearts, an immediate union of all worlds' hearts that you can use to instantly rewrite the universe, while the KoPH and possibly other Keyblades (see KH2) can only open the door to the artificial Kingdom Heartses created by manually amassing the hearts of people and worlds.
 * Although, knowing Nomura, this will be retconned again, with some handwave that Xehanort was also mistaken, or that it was really SoraBackFromTheFuture writing the Xehanort Reports.192.249.47.177 19:57, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I can remember, KH1 just implied that there was only 1 Keyblade, & also contained numerous hints that this may not be true.Neo Bahamut 18:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Mickey's, too. The hints could be taken either way, though; especially since it was presented as a legendary item that chooses its wielder, it could easily have been that its last wielder was a duffer. KHBbS decided to go with "It was intrinsically meant for Riku and yet went to Sora instead, despite plenty of dark-wielders having Keyblades of light and Riku eventually making his heart just as strong as Sora's." A lot of the meaning of Sora proving he was more worthy for the Keyblade was lost when Nomura wrote it so that Riku just said "Eh, I'll just make a new one."192.249.47.177 22:01, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Official Name
As per the Xehanort's Report VI the official name in the localization is the Keyblade of Heart axing the people's part out of it.
 * Despite it being a year since I requested it, no one has yet provided the Japanese text used in that place in the Xehanort Report, as mentioned above. Once someone does and we can confirm that they are the same (instead of similar terms where one could be the specific name and the other is a group name), then we can move it.192.249.47.177 13:37, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe that would be here in the Director's Secret Report V when he first talked about the 3 types of Keyblade? http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/images/anotherreportpage28and29.jpg I don't believe its been referred to any other way as anything else but I may be wrong. Anyway the thing has always been referred to by the keyblade's family type but never a specific name I think? --Lycropath 10:37, 8 May (PST)

Incomplete χ-blade?
So according to KH3D this is just another incomplete χ-blade or is it not? --ShardofTruth 17:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Component-wise, maybe, but I doubt the processes for creating them are similar to each other. I dunno. -- 23:43, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the χ-blade would be considered a Keyblade of People's Hearts, because it is formed by a heart of darkness and a heart of light - though KH3D seems to indicate that it doesn't need pure hearts, but just lights and darknesses. So maybe the χ-blade is its own type of Keyblade altogether; I'm not sure. 02:06, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Light Hearts = Dark Keyblade?
Anyone noticed that despite being made from hearts of pure light this keyblade has a dark appearance? Seems kinda odd don't you think? I often wonder, does it take on a dark appearance because it's being use by a dark entity? If so, then if it were wielded by someone with a just heart, would it have taken on a lighter appearance? Blackchaos27 05:01, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. Probably irrelevant. Blackchaos27 21:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Renaming to the Keyblade of Heart.
Here is the Japanese text for Xehanort's Sixth Report

キーブレードには３系統ある. 我々が使用する、光の世界のキーブレードと、 闇の世界のキーブレード、人の心のキーブレードである. 闇の世界のキーブレードは、闇の世界に存在するとされ、 我々の使用する、光の世界のキーブレードと対となるもので、 どちらの世界の側から使用するものかという違いでしかない. そして、３つ目の鍵、人の心のキーブレードは、 キーブレード戦争によって、世界が再編された時に誕生したもので、 この鍵がなければ、キングダムハーツに近付けないようになっている. 心に闇を持たない、７つの純粋な光の心を集める事で、 人の心のキーブレードが完成し、 キングダムハーツへの扉が開かれるのだ. そしてもしもキングダムハーツの扉を開く事ができれば、 すべての世界、すべての人を掌握する事も可能であると言える.

As you can see the name written here is Keyblade of People's Heart (人の心のキーブレード) so per the official localization the name would be the Keyblade of Heart.

So could we get this thing renamed?

- Lycropath August 08 4:31 AM (PST)
 * Any particular reason "heart" is lowercased in the article title? I assume it's to match with the Xehanort report, but frankly, I can't read Japanese. - 17:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * To match the Xehanort report, yes. There is absolutely no backing to the assumption that "Heart" is meant to be an uppercased "term". 18:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which (and if you haven't seen my talk page yet), sorry about the whole messed up earlier. I didn't know that the H was supposed to be lowercase since when I saw this section, it was capitalized. Sorry for the messed up, Kryten. :(-- 19:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Sora
Should he be listed as a wielder? 06:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't see why not. He did use it.-- 20:07, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Ehhhhhhhhhh... Is it wielding if you just stab yourself with it? (Although I guess you can consider it parallel to Aqua just picking up the Master Keeper...) -- 22:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, technically, yes...-- 02:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Aqua used the Master Keeper during the Secret Episode though. But I guess it's fine to say Sora wielded the Keyblade of heart, even if it was only to stab himself (like Riku would have done before fighting him). --141.63.110.51 08:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I would hardly call that wielding it, mainly because he never actually fought with it. Blackchaos27 (talk) 16:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Riku is never seen fighting with Destiny's Embrace. Still, where did the lighter fluid come from? maggosh 16:47, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Which is why I don't get why Riku is considered as a wielder of Destiny's Embrace. He never fought with it, let alone used it for anything. And the circumstances behind its appearance has never been confirmed, just speculated(Where's the proof that he used the Synch Blade ability?). Stabbing yourself with a weapon you just picked up is not really wielding it. Anyone can just pick up a weapon and stab himself with it and not be considered a wielder. Blackchaos27 (talk) 18:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * We've already determined that there is no evidence that Riku used Synch Blade, but let's stay on topic here.
 * The short summary is that the KoH didn't stick around long enough for a conclusive answer. Since Sora picking it up is comparable to Aqua picking up Master Keeper, though, I would say "sure, why not" on this.
 * Though the next question (which should not be debated here!) would be, what would happen if someone who was not a Keyblade wielder tried to pick up an abandoned Keyblade? -- 21:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * So, we're defining wielder as "used in combat or as a tool"? If so, we need to remove Destiny's Embrace from Riku, since all he did was courier it. That being said: Sora did perform the main function of the KoH on himself. He may not have fought with it, but "stabbing Sora" is basically what the Keyblade was for, and, well, Sora did that. Especially since stabbing yourself would still be a form of combat...I don't see how it doesn't count. 05:53, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Unofficial name
"Keyblade of heart" is official since that was the name given in the Xehanort Report. I don't see why the unofficial template is there, 18:36, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * In which case, let's remove it.-- 18:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Human Heart
I feel like that translation muddies the parallel with "Keyblade of Worlds' Hearts", and makes it sounds like it's linked to just one heart. Possibly also a bit of issue implying it's just from humans, as well. 18:15, 26 February 2017 (UTC)