Talk:Cloud

Cloud Strife
His name is Cloud Strife, isn't it? Why was it moved? Durza - January 21st - 10:57 PM
 * The page it originally redirected too was a redlink at the time. I didn't really "move" it, I just replaced the redirect with a page. I didn't use the last name because it didn't seem important, and because most of the characters are just known by their first names (like Vivi, Setzer and even Leon - he'd sound pretty dumb as "Leon Leonheart"). Scott ch  22:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * His name isn't Leon Leonheart anyway. It's Squall Leonheart. He is called Squall once of the 1st kingdom hearts. Besides thats off topic. Is Strife really that important?

I think this part should be changed
Sorry for bothering who ever is reading this but I strongly beleve we should remove/re-write this part

"Although Cloud is a much weaker boss than Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts, the fact he was able to go head-to-head with him in Kingdom Hearts II implies that he wasn't fighting as hard as he could against Sora."

This sounds really unprofessional and like it was writen by a cloud crazed fan boy. Yeah Cloud is a cool guy but I think stuff like this messes up the artical.

Also "the fact he was able to go head-to-head with him in Kingdom Hearts II". The fact? its a scene made for enertainment.

AGAIN, who did this post without signing ? There's more to the scene between Cloud and Sephiroth than just mere entertainment. The battle between Cloud and Sephiroth was instrumental in KH Final Mix and KHII because Cloud wanted to get rid of the darkness inside him.

True, that line sounds rather unprofessional and methinks it might have to be removed, but come to think of it - I do have to agree that Cloud wasn't fighting as hard as he could against Sora. Most of us, if not all of us, can defeat him with melee attacks, and rather effortlessly, too ! Troisnyxetienne, 2009.01.11

ANY official evidence for 'First Tsurugi?
Well, Kaihedgie, any evidence for the 'First Tsurugi' name? Especially something that contradicts that there is no name for the swords other than Fusion Sword/s?

I presume that with your constant revision of the entry that you have SOMETHING to support the name as more than a fan name. I mean, you're not simply changing it back based only on your say so, RIGHT?Ryushikaze 05:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The Final Fantasy Wiki clearly states in their article that First Tsurugi is a mistranslation. If we can't verify it, it is not allowed in the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Please knock off the edits Kaihedgie; I don't want to lock such an important article, nor ban you. BebopKate 19:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The term 'fusion sword' is used as a general term. First Tsurugi/Ken should be used to refer to the weapon itself. Regardless, First Tsurugi/Ken is used universally instead of 'fusion sword'.Kaihedgie 20:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with Kaihedgie, while it may have been a mistranslation, it has become the undisputed name for it since it has no official name, so the First Tsurugi has stayed as it's name, It's similar to Nazo, an image of a Blue Super Sonic in an early Sonic X preview, the name has stayed dispite him never appearing, as has Asura, a glitch in Sonic 2 that turned Sonic green And the Kingdom Hearts has had situations where a nick-name become universally known before confirmation of actual names, such as Roxas being "BHK", and if Roxas had never gotten an actual name? I suspect BHK would have stayed, yes? First Tsurugi is much closer to an official name than "A type of fusion sword" is Dark Paladin Danny

Not when 'Fusion sword' is what the makers called it, and said they called in the official Reunion Files.Ryushikaze 20:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Regardless, it's still called First Tsurugi universally. FF wiki KNOWS it's a mistranslation, but they still use 'First Tsurugi' as a universal term so why should this be any different. And for that matter, why still insist on callin' it so when the fusion aspect isn't even used in the game? Kaihedgie 20:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

"The film's creative designer Takayuki Takaya has stated the individual swords have no names, and no other names for them have been put forth by the creators other than "fusion swords" which was used during development." It was a prototype/development name, like the Gamecube was called the Dolphin, how many people call the gamecube a dolphin? Dark Paladin Danny

Soooo.... Evidence you say? How about the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania? http://uk.faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html

"Takeyuki Takeya (the monster and mechanical art designer for the film) designed Cloud's First Tsurugi sword set used in the film. He says that he doesn't know what the individual names of the swords are, nor what their specific attributes are. "First Tsurugi" is, apparently, the name for the entire set and the completed sword (as most people thought, I believe), and the swords were just called "the fusion swords" during development because they weren't given proper names." Dark Paladin Danny


 * That's not in the actual Ultimania itself. There was no Ultimania out at the time that Faq was written that included AC, only the Reunion files. Outside of adding the name First Tsurugi, Ryu Kaze was simply repeating the words from that book, which do not use First Tsurugi. He concluded the fan name was official based on no evidence whatsoever.Ryushikaze 20:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

New suggestions:
 * 1) Wait until Dissidia comes out and see if it gets an official name then, as suggested by the FF wiki (who, I notice, was having a very similar discussion involving some of the folks here. Hmmm...)
 * 2) Call up Takayuki Takaya and ask him personally. Anyone got his number?
 * 3) Stop arguing over something so silly. We can all agree it resembles his sword from Advent Children, right? So, let's refer to it that way until something more solid comes along. No mistranslations, "offical fandom", or any other weird stuff involved, okay?

Besides, I notice no one is fighting over which exact shuriken Yuffie has. Poor Yuffie...where's the love? BebopKate 21:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, hey, everyone. The sword that Cloud uses in KHII is the Fusion Sword, not, the First... whatever.Innosense 06:54, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Orgin
Did Cloud originate from Hollow Bastion along with the other final fantasy characters? - Orpheus_of_the_Lyre

Unknown, but presublibly, I'd bet my biscuts on it. But don't get your hopes up.CLARKMASTER! 00:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Cloud come from hollow bastion (or radiant garden), he fled the city like the other when Maleficent take the city with her heartless and go to the olympus coliseum.--Hotdragon 295 14:48, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think that Cloud came from his own world that's unknown. I know the fight between him and Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts II is just for entertainment, but after he and Sephiroth disappeared, Sora, Donald and Goofy (I don't remember who said it) said that they went back to their own world. I think that might've stated that he came from his own world, but was still associated with the other Final Fantasy characters. OR he really did orinate from Hollow Bastion and fled like Hotdragon 295 said. Yukima 03:45, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's shown with the other RG characters in the epilogue, indicating that he was part of them.
 * I always thought (even before Auron) that Cloud had died when the darkness overtook Radiant Garden, and that's why Hades was able to control him and his memories. Then, somehow, he escapes from OC. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:04, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

I dom't think so, and I also don't think that Cloud is from RG after all he goes back to his real world in KH2 with Sepiroth right?--Xabryn 04:07, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Did anyone else stop to this about this...

 * Keep in mind, most world subplots where slightly redone to be about memories (Cloud's looking for memories, not a person; the Queen of Hearts is out to get a memory thief, not someone who made an attempt on her heart; Finklestein's making a memory potion, not a heart, et cetera)...don't think about it so hard.—Urutapu 21:36, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah. Duh.--Ifyoucanreadthisyoumustbeasmessedupasmecanisuggustyouadoctor? 23:45, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Speculation?
Has anyone even looked at Final Fantasy VII? I'm pretty sure these attacks were also named in his sleights in Chain of Memories Kaihedgie 16:18, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, from what I can see, his only slights are Omnislash and Cross-slash, all his other moves are basic attacks. --Neumannz 17:02, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Cloud's wing
Where should it be noted that he seemed to have a bat wing on his right shoulder? I mean, it wasn't even in KHII, so I think the unexplained part needs to be mentioned. Weedle McHairybug 15:57, April 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * D'OH! My apologies... Weedle McHairybug 16:13, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Remember that Cloud design in KH1 is a design similar to Vincent Valentine of FF7, because both Cloud and Vincent was supose to be in the game but they change for Cloud alone and the "bat wing" like you says is a wing of chaos. You know (if you play to FF7 Dirge of Cerberus) the monster Named Chaos that Vincent can transform himself sometimes in the game.--Hotdragon 295 14:52, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't remember where, probably here or in the Final Fantasy wiki, but it said that Cloud's demonic wing was supposed to be in contribution to Sephiroth's more angelic wing. Not sure how but it says that in one of the two wikis Yukima 03:59, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Home World

 * ...he doesn't return to his world after Sephiroth. He leaves again. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:14, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Goofy said "Do ya think [Cloud and Sephiroth] went back to their own world?" (at least, that's what the jist of the line was), which would imply that Radiant Garden was NOT Cloud's homeworld. Weedle McHairybug 04:10, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

"Goofy: Where'd they go? Do ya think they made it back to their own world?

Sora: They went somewhere else... Cloud went to fight a great battle---to defeat the darkness inside him."

So, Sora is telling Goofy "No".


 * The KH1 epilogue also shows that Aerith and the others are familiar with Cloud, and may have been looking for him. So, that also indicates he is from RG. Glorious  CHAOS!  07:51, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm....
Okay. So what if it just so happened that the person he was looking for was not sephiroth, but tifa? Or perhaps Zack? Just a thought... (Soraxas154 23:49, September 16, 2010 (UTC))

in KH1 it's confirmed in the credits the person he was looking for is Aerith as they met in Hollow Bastion. In KHII he clearly said the name Sephiroth. Also, Zack is supposed to be dead by KH1, except Nomura wants to bend FFVII's story and made him return in the future series 17master 13:45, September 28, 2010 (UTC)