Forum:Square Enix Portal

While I do not speak for the majority of the Final Fantasy Wiki, I, as a staff member there, am opposed to moving away from Wikia. I might get a lot of flack for saying this, but Oasis isn't that terrible for the common viewer. There's code floating around that increases the size of the text, and really that's the only major bad change of Oasis. They've fixed most of the annoying bugs that were around, and the majority of new anons would not know there was ever an alternative. Just as many people came into Wikia with Monaco (I came in around the end of Quartz, which was a much worse skin), many people will see Oasis as the only skin, and when that is inevitably abandoned, people will complain.

The only difference between hosting and here is that the anons see Oasis. Users will still use Monobook (unless you manage to get the source code for Monaco), there will probably still be adds to support hosting costs. I don't hear or see any anons complaining about Oasis; it is merely the users who are accustomed to the old and can't simply take this as any other Wikia addition: simply move on. Wikia will always be changing things that should not be fixed, and that's an inevitable truth, but should we leave for it? I doubt it. Scathe Mote 13:59, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Some of us look forward to accommodating to Wikia, and is considering ideas. You're welcome to add to of what remains.  BLUER   一番   14:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

w:c:square. Just want to add the "Square Enix" wiki to your attention. The thing that, in a sense, parents both FFWiki and KHWiki. 80.42.254.253 16:33, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Everyone. My name is Budd0011 here on Wikia, and Tacopill on NIWA. I'm the original poster of the thread SilverCrono linked to above. It is very nice to meet everyone. Bud0011 16:54, November 7, 2010 (UTC).

EDIT CONFLICT: Okay no one edit until I made my message. SeanWheeler 17:11, November 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think a Disney portal would be better. There are more Disney characters than Final Fantasy characters. Kingdom Hearts is more of a Disney game than Square. SeanWheeler 17:16, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for Causing the edit conflict. :'( . Bud0011 18:08, November 7, 2010 (UTC).
 * ScatheMote: Major disagreement aside, this isn't the forum to post your argument, this is just for discussion about forming a Square Enix portal.
 * SeanWheeler: We are not linked to Disney wikis more than we are to Square Enix wikis, see the original message's statement on what connects us to wikis like the FFWiki. From what I can see, the Disney Wiki also has shown no interest in leaving Wikia. -- 19:04, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I'm Zyeriis, I'm the only admin on the FFXIV Wiki. Why is that relevant? I hold all the power there and am the top contributor by far. Disregarding that, I was in the midst of building my community when Oasis revealed its ugly, downgraded face. What happened to that community? It died, a horrible (albeit quick death). So, I started a poll, to see what those remaining, wanted to do. A week went by...with only 3 votes (2 to leave, 1 to abandon). Another week went by, nothing changed. After I posted that I was giving up, the poll got a little bit more active. As predicted, just about everyone wanted to leave. Since then I've been looking for options for a new wikifarm or host. At first, I wanted to go with Curse, because that's what WoWWiki did. Alas, it turned out that FFXIVcore...is hosted by Curse so that wasn't/isn't an option. My top choice after that is ShoutWiki. I got in contact with them a few days (perhaps a week) ago and was told that they won't be accepting transfers again until they install their new, larger servers around mid-November. I simply, can't wait that long, my wiki is pretty much dead as it is right now.

Last Night, DTN somehow located my discussion page about what to do with FFXIV Wiki (also known as Hydaelyn's Handbook) and told me that you guys are considering making a Square version of the NWA. He didn't give me a link to where you were discussing this though and I spent the a hour or so last night and some time today, perusing through your forums regarding your discussion about what to do (I read a lot of it) until I found this page.

Ok, that's my story, leaving out my verbal rebellion against the Wikia Staff on community central, of how I ended up here. In truth, this idea for the SIWA (or just SWA) is absolutely perfect. I am unsure as to how I could contribute but I am all for this idea and want to get this decided immediately.--Zyeriis 21:26, November 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you mind if i join the conversation? Bud0011 22:07, November 8, 2010 (UTC).
 * Since you are our connection to NIWA I don't see why not.
 * One thing: This group can't be SIWA, Siwa is an OASIS in Egypt. ◄ Θάνατος ►  06:59, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sweet. How do i connect to #SEIWA? i am still new to the irc thing. I'm more familar with skype, aim and the like. Sorry for my noob-ish-ness. Bud0011 07:09, November 9, 2010 (UTC).
 * I think I'm right in saying you can just head to http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=SEIWA, and choose a nickname to sign in with. Adam (talk) 21:11, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, and Thank you. I am in the chat now. Bud0011 21:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC).
 * Alterantively, if anyone has a skype, i will also be on there with the username "tacopill". Bud0011 22:33, November 9, 2010 (UTC).

Domain name
Was talking with Zyeriis and Crono on the SEIWA irc, and after checking with the domain name register, found out seiwaportal.org is avalible. Here's what i recommend it standing for: Square Enix Independent Wiki Alliance, and "portal" coming from this thread's name. Does this work for everyone? Bud0011 23:47, November 10, 2010 (UTC).
 * Works for teh Crono. -- 00:04, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * We were planning on using khwiki.net for the individual site, though.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  00:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean, not have a central site, independent of the wiki's? Bud0011 00:39, November 11, 2010 (UTC).
 * I don't quite understand what the domain bit entails, but for the html of the KH wiki itself, we wanted to use khwiki.net (so that pages would be khwiki.net/wiki/Sora, etc.)(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  00:43, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * My idea behind it is this: The domain would serve as the primary address of the portal's main site, independent of any wiki's. Similar to how http://www.niwanetwork.org/ represnets niwa itself, not one of it's wikis. Bud0011 00:50, November 11, 2010 (UTC).

So, basically an ideal situation would be that the SE Wikia Wiki would be simplified into the portal, and then link out to all of the game wikis?
 * If you wish to do that, you can. Also, some other options that exist include:
 * make SE Wiki the central site of the portal, or
 * have a main site, and a wiki that's a subsection of it.
 * The choice is yours. Specifically, With the wiki, you could put in a link that says "For more in-depth information, see ________ Wiki" on each game/anime page. Bud0011 03:16, November 11, 2010 (UTC).

That's what I was thinking. But, I also have another question. What are we supposed to do with all the tiny SE Wikis that may want to join? Like the Due Wiki. Heck, the FMA Wiki isn't really all that big to begin with, either.
 * Well, can they be grouped together in anyway? and are any of them smaller than WikiBound? Bud0011 22:49, November 11, 2010 (UTC).

SEIWA ROUNDTABLE

 * Part One: http://pastebin.com/hSyTmcMG
 * Related to what we were talking about Bud0011 03:27, November 11, 2010 (UTC).
 * Just had an conversation with SomeColorMage of FFWiki. See This page for the chat log. Bud0011 08:56, November 12, 2010 (UTC).
 * Conversation between Myself, Zyeriis, Chocolancer, DTN and Xizor (Although, not all at the same time).

Propsed Plan
Here is a plan i think would work well for SEIWA, based on input i got from SomeColorMage, Chocolancer and Zyerillis. Please Tell me what you think.
 * 1) KH is revoting to go indy or to Wikkii (pending admin approval)
 * 2) if in #1 goes indy, then FF will see if there users and contributors are up for it.
 * 3) *a) FFXIV Wiki wants to do this as well (go indy) to support the SEIWA idea (and to leave Wikia in general)
 * 4) *b) if FFWiki goes, Chocolancer hope Sardapedia also does as well
 * 5) If both #1 and #2 succeed, then SEIWA will be launched. The_Inexistiend hopes to use the Square Wikia as a hub once it goes indy. I recommend getting forums.
 * 6) they start building an infastructure and one by one wikia's are brought to an independent server and asked on the SEIWA forums for help
 * 7) *a) I think the FFXI wiki users can help here
 * 8) *b) Example: we go out once a month (let's say) grab a wiki, get it independent, put it on the forums and try and attract contribtors
 * 9) once the former Wikia or new wiki is ready, it is brought in as a member
 * 10) #4 and #5 are repeated for each SE-related wiki on Wikia or started up by it's members

Candidates

 * Kingdom Hearts Wiki (currently http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com)
 * Final Fantasy Wiki (currently http://finalfantasy.wikia.com)
 * Final Fantasy XI Wiki (currently http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org)
 * Final Fantasy XIV Wiki (currently http://ffxiv.wikia.com)
 * Just Cause Wiki (http://justcause.wikia.com)
 * Deus Ex Wiki (http://deusex.wikia.com)
 * All Star Pro-Wrestling (?)
 * Front Mission (http://frontmission.wikia.com/wiki/Front_Mission_Wiki)
 * Hanjuku Hero (?)
 * Mana (http://mana.wikia.com/wiki/Wiki_of_Mana)
 * Dragon Quest (http://dragonquest.wikia.com/ and http://www.dragon-quest.org/wiki/Main_Page)
 * Song Summoner (?)
 * Tomb Raider (?)
 * Hitman (http://hitman.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page)
 * Square Enix Wiki (http://square.wikia.com/wiki/Squarewiki)
 * Eidos Wiki (?)
 * Fantasy Earth (?)
 * Star Ocean (http://starocean.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Ocean_Wiki)
 * Black God (?)
 * Papuwa (?)
 * Pani Poni (?)
 * Spiral (?)
 * He is My Master (?)
 * Yumekui Kenbun (?)
 * Doubt (?)
 * Bamboo Blade (?)
 * Pandora Hearts (?)
 * Black Butler (http://kuroshitsuji.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page)
 * Soul Eater (http://souleater.wikia.com)
 * Zombie Loan (?)
 * Fullmetal Alchemist (http://fma.wikia.com)
 * Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (?)