User talk:Porplemontage/Archive 1

Um...
Kind of confused as to what's going on here.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  14:24, 7 November 2010 (EST)
 * Let me hear those questions. --Porplemontage 14:29, 7 November 2010 (EST)

(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  12:16, 10 November 2010 (EST)
 * 1) Can this be moved to khwiki.net, the site chosen in the forums?
 * 2) What is the hosting situation (bills, etc.)?
 * 3) Can we get Monaco, Oasis, and possibly Quartz installed here?
 * 4) Will you remove your "admin and bureaucrat" user rights once the move is complete?
 * 5) Can the current bureaucrats for the khwiki (Bluerfn and BebopKate) be given developer status, if that's necessary to install extensions?
 * 6) Could the syncing be done faster, and more up to date, if we got a full database dump from wikia? We're going to need to overwrite most of the current pages in the end, to get back to where we are now.
 * It could be, but if the Wikia site will be continue to be called "Kingdom Hearts Wiki" it would be easier to build the name Kingdom Hearts Database than compete with the same name. Similar to the WoWWiki, Wowpedia situation.
 * Hosting/bills are covered.
 * A skin similar to Monaco may be installed eventually, but we're looking at Monobook for a while.
 * No. I'm not going to interfere with the other admins but I need the rights.
 * No, I'll manage the extensions.
 * This is the complete Wikia dump from Oct 29. Newer dumps can be added on top of it. --Porplemontage 17:06, 10 November 2010 (EST)


 * 1) Extension-wise, we'd like to be able to install any extensions the community agrees to. If you are going to maintain the servers, can you agree to that?
 * 2) We would like to know if it would be possible to host other wikis on these servers. Please read this for more details.

Thanks!(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  20:49, 10 November 2010 (EST)
 * As long as the extension is secure and compatible with our setup, I shouldn't have a problem with it, but I honestly can't make any guarantees. You can check Special:Version for the list of current extensions; if any come to mind as missing we can talk about those now. Regarding other wikis--I deal with these one at a time. I'm not going to start up a bunch of new wikis for the network, but if a wiki community is frustrated and wants to move, I may be able to accommodate them. --Porplemontage 21:27, 10 November 2010 (EST)


 * 1) We are pretty set on the name "khwiki.net".
 * 2) Desire to retain Monaco was a big part of the reason for our move, so we would like Monaco installed as soon as possible, possibly followed by Oasis for those who liked it. Without Monaco, the community probably won't move here.
 * 3) The other wikis we were talking with would also be moving from wikia, and the main issue is that most of our editor-base is shared among these wikis, so we'd like to retain accounts across the system (for example, if an editor gets a talk page message on one wiki, he is notified across all the others). This is not quite as critical as Monaco, but still very important to us.
 * 4) Extension-wise, what we were planning on was having a page in the forums where users can request new extensions, both new ones and those that other wikis have used successfully. This isn't as critical as Monaco or khwiki.net, but we would like it to happen. When you say you can't make any guarantees, is that more "I'll try, but I might not be physically able to get them all", or "It's my decision"?

Thank you for your continued assistance. Cheers!(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  14:38, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Domain change is easy, but I'm not going to buy another domain unless the move is actually going to happen. Monaco is mangled up with Wikia's code and it's not as easy as just installing it. I read someone over at NIWA was working on making it a normal skin. I can't fix Monaco to work here, so that's up to you or someone else to fix it first. I know how to share a user table among wikis, but not how to get this cross-wiki notification example going. Extensions I'm saying it's my decision because I can't promise you'll get every extension you want; it totally depends on the extension in question. If the extension is small secure reasonable you'll probably get it.--Porplemontage 20:11, 11 November 2010 (EST)

User rights
I don't want to sound rude, but I should not have bureaucrat rights, only admin. If you could demote me, that would be great, thanks!(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  16:58, 9 February 2011 (EST)


 * Someone needs to promote everyone to their normal rights. --Porplemontage 17:00, 9 February 2011 (EST)

Sorry, just saw that after I demoted myself. Can you re-burea-me, then I'll promote the people that need it and demote myself again?(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  17:03, 9 February 2011 (EST)
 * I promoted the three editors that I could, but it won't let me promote anyone who hasn't edited on this wiki. I'm going to try and contact each of our past staff to see if they even plan on coming to this wiki, and if they don't respond soon, I'll just take that as them declining their status at this site. If neither of the current bcrats decides to come here, we'll hold elections to choose who we want to be the new bcrats, and I'll do my demotion after getting the winners of that set up.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  17:24, 9 February 2011 (EST)

Extensions
Are you the only one who can install extensions? If so, could you install this one, and if not, would I (as an admin and—at least for now—bureaucrat) be able to do it, and how? -- 15:34, 13 February 2011 (EST)


 * The site already uses JS for tabs. For example, Grim Reaper. --Porplemontage 16:23, 13 February 2011 (EST)

Well, that's great and all, but pages like this one need the actual Tabber extension to work. -- 16:26, 13 February 2011 (EST)


 * Maybe one day we'll only use the JS system. --Porplemontage 16:31, 13 February 2011 (EST)

Sure, if the templates can take it. In the meantime, are you the only one who can install extensions? -- 16:38, 13 February 2011 (EST)


 * For real. --Porplemontage 16:44, 13 February 2011 (EST)

Bugs
Please be monitoring Forum:Bug reports, as you are the only one able to deal with most of them; in particular, we are unable to upload new versions of images, because that same glitch has gotten active here. Thanks! 11:55, 16 February 2011 (EST)


 * I've seen a lot of new versions uploaded already. Many of the bug reports I can't really do anything about. --Porplemontage 12:57, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Monaco
I managed to contact the people at tfwiki, and it seems as if Monaco should be ready to be installed; at the very least, its skin is. Could you install it as an optional skin for the wiki? If there are any problems with that, could you specify what they are? 18:52, 17 February 2011 (EST)


 * Tfwiki customized Monobook to look like Monaco. I've installed a copy of Monobook called Monaco, so we can use MediaWiki:Monaco.css to customize it. --Porplemontage 22:16, 17 February 2011 (EST)


 * None of the code I've found does anything, except for an old customization of monobook I found on the Transformers Wiki at wikia, which isn't what we're going for. I think that the classes must be named differently or something - I have no skill at css, and without being able to compare what's different between our version of Monobook and tfwiki's, I have nothing to compare, either. 14:59, 22 February 2011 (EST)
 * I did find this and this, though they seem to have some problems to them as well, from what I've heard reported. 15:24, 22 February 2011 (EST)
 * Thanks! I think we've got it mostly up to speed again. We can fix the sidebar header images ourselves, but the biggest problem I see is that the sidebar does not tree properly, and that the monobook and monaco sidebars use the same definition. I'm not sure how to make them tree, so if you can fix that I would be grateful, but I think I can make it point at the right sidebar definition article. Thanks! 17:05, 22 February 2011 (EST)
 * Also, is it possible for us to edit the toolbox? And, if possible, I'd like the different sidebar boxes to have rounded external corners, but flat internal corners. Thanks! 17:47, 22 February 2011 (EST)


 * Edit the toolbox how? I don't know how to make the sidebar tree; some sites use JS. --Porplemontage 18:08, 22 February 2011 (EST)
 * As far as I can tell from reading howto's, to make Monaco default, you'd need to edit LocalSettings.php. Could you do that? 15:29, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

Sure. --Porplemontage 17:17, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

New Skin
A user and I have been working on making and organizing a new skin. At this stage, we need access to installing files to the MediaWiki folders, and KrytenKoro told me only you could do that. Would you be willing to do this, please? All details can be found here, thank you. -- 23:57, 19 February 2011 (EST)


 * Yeah. --Porplemontage 01:38, 20 February 2011 (EST)
 * I've tried modifying the css for roundedblue to use File:wiki-blue.png, but apparently that is only for hover-over. Would you be able to tell me where the regular callout for wiki.png is? 17:24, 22 February 2011 (EST)

Loading
Why is it that this wiki is so slow? It's not just me, and it's only this site; I can load every other page I browse faster than this, even 1080p HD videos on YouTube. Is it a server problem? [18:10:31]  Why is the wiki so slow? <_< [18:11:15]  My internet is speedy and loads all sites faster than it does the KHWiki. [18:11:14]  It's the server And as can be seen here, DTN protests too. I'm not trying to sound ungrateful here, but it's kind of distressing. Any way to remedy this? -- 13:15, 21 February 2011 (EST)


 * It's because of the backed-up job queue. --Porplemontage 13:28, 21 February 2011 (EST)

Group rights
We would like a few changes to group rights:


 * Administrators: +noratelimit, +suppressredirect
 * Patrollers: +noratelimit, +suppressredirect, -block, -checkuser, -checkuser-log

Also, we would like "Patrollers" changed to "Moderators".

Thanks! 21:16, 21 February 2011 (EST)


 * Seems reasonable. --Porplemontage 21:47, 21 February 2011 (EST)
 * I missed two of the rights requested; could moderators also have +move-subpages and +movefile? Thanks! 10:45, 25 February 2011 (EST)

Developer Status
Hi Porple, I want to help out with the visual appearance of the site, however I cannot get direct access and I really want to touch up the site. Is it possible I can get Developer status? Even though I was told you'd be the only developer, but you're not awake all the time, it's better to have at least two. Or at least for a temporary time. 14:10, 23 February 2011 (EST)


 * What files do you want to modify? If you want, you can send me the modified file. --Porplemontage 14:14, 23 February 2011 (EST)


 * http://www.khwiki.net/skins/roundedblue/go.gif to http://www.khwiki.net/images/2/21/Search-Roundedblue-GoButton.png http://www.khwiki.net/skins/roundedblue/search.gif to http://www.khwiki.net/images/d/d7/Search-Roundedblue-SearchButton.png

http://www.khwiki.net/skins/roundedblue/title-toolbox.gif to http://www.khwiki.net/images/2/2d/Sidebar-Roundedblue-Toolbox.png http://www.khwiki.net/skins/roundedblue/p-personal-bg.gif to http://i53.tinypic.com/rw875d.png

14:29, 23 February 2011 (EST)


 * Changed the last two through CSS. The first are now those wiki images, so if you want to change them just upload new versions. --Porplemontage 14:47, 23 February 2011 (EST)

Can you make the magnifying glass image a wiki-based image? 15:14, 25 February 2011 (EST)
 * Instead of that, can you replace the magnifying glass with this please? -- 20:38, 25 May 2011 (EDT)


 * I'll do both. --Porplemontage 22:23, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

Monaco Sidebar
EDITPAGE to see the full conversation.

So, anyway, Soxra (a web designer, literate in JavaScript and CSS) and I were wondering if you could possibly have Monaco run off of MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar instead of MediaWiki:Sidebar. If you have any questions, it would probably be best to direct them towards Soxra, as I am not good with coding. Thanks! 22:54, 24 February 2011 (EST)


 * It's not liking the new name. Check out this stuff, you can login with your wikia credentials and switch to monobook. For each item in the normal sidebar, a menu can be made off that. Halopedia monobook js and Sidebar js. --Porplemontage 02:08, 25 February 2011 (EST)

I went ahead and threw the js up so that it can be fiddled with. It seems that the monaco css might need to be manipulated as well (or, more likely, that the js files need to actually know what the other one's named). 11:17, 25 February 2011 (EST)


 * Right in both cases. The code is functioning now, so you can go ahead and customize the menu items/CSS. --Porplemontage 12:19, 25 February 2011 (EST)
 * When I try to branch out one of the menu items, the branches don't display past the right border of the sidebar. However, on Halopedia they do this easily. Can either you or Soxra figure that out? 13:24, 25 February 2011 (EST)
 * Also, must the root item (for example, "Worlds") exist at MediaWiki:Sidebar as well, or can we set up new roots on the js page? 13:25, 25 February 2011 (EST)

They expand for me. Roots need to be one of the sidebar items. --Porplemontage 14:02, 25 February 2011 (EST)

Alright, I've done some trials (using default CSS) and found something kind of interesting. Despite the sidebar being set up properly, sometimes the sidebar doesn't come up at all:
 * http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6420/sidebartrials.png

You can see on the top and bottom right images, the expansion and arrows come up just fine. But on the bottom left, it does not. This seems to be accompanied with the page taking longer to load, perhaps because it can't find the Monaco.js file. I confirmed this through element inspecting in Chrome; for the bottom left example, the resource for "Monaco.js" is not loaded, despite "Monaco.js/Sidebar.js" being loaded. For the other two examples, it loads just fine.

I'm really not sure what can be done about this. As far as I can tell the issue is on the server end, with Monaco.js just not loading properly. The only other thing I can think to do is put the jQuery code in Monaco.js/Sidebar.js instead, though I'm not sure this would work 100% of the time.

As for the content and CSS, we can adjust that pretty simply once everything else is up and running.

I'm headed out for a while, I'll check up on this when I'm back.

MyHome extension code
The extension code can be found here and here. maggosh 14:02, 25 February 2011 (EST)


 * Yeah, but it's a Wikia extension. --Porplemontage 14:39, 25 February 2011 (EST)


 * Kryten asked me to link you to it. maggosh 22:35, 27 February 2011 (EST)
 * What needs to be done to make it usable on this wiki? 14:23, 10 March 2011 (EST)


 * I don't know. --Porplemontage 16:07, 10 March 2011 (EST)

Patrolling
Anyway to add a button for it on the Recent Changes page? -- 15:29, 27 February 2011 (EST)


 * A button for Special:Patrol on something like MediaWiki:Recentchangestext? Of course for the individual items you just hit diff. --Porplemontage 15:34, 27 February 2011 (EST)
 * No, the individual Patrol button, but on Recent Changes so navigating to the page isn't neccessary. Y'know how you kinda know how some editors don't vandalize? And I mean like the [Rollback] button. -- 15:37, 27 February 2011 (EST)


 * Trusted editors should be placed in the autopatrolled group so you don't have to patrol them. --Porplemontage 15:41, 27 February 2011 (EST)

Walkthrough namespace
Hey, Kryten asked me to request for you to create a Walkthrough namespace. maggosh 14:22, 10 March 2011 (EST)


 * Sure. --Porplemontage 16:15, 10 March 2011 (EST)

My editcount is gone
Hello. I'm here to say that my editcount is gone. It was reverted to 0. Compare the one in this Wiki with Wikia's and you'll see. Also, the problem must be recent because when we first moved, I made sure to check my editcount here and it was fine. Is there any way to fix this? Demonic Saint 18:50, 10 March 2011 (EST)


 * I'm seeing some edits: . Let's wait on the job queue. --Porplemontage 18:58, 13 March 2011 (EDT)

Block settings
Hi, Kryten told me to inform you that we don't have a "allow user to edit talk page" option under Block. He would like you to apply it as an option, and amend his own block so he is able to edit as such. Thank you. maggosh 18:50, 13 March 2011 (EDT)


 * Sure, but why did he block himself? --Porplemontage 18:55, 13 March 2011 (EDT)


 * Forum:Oasis, that's why. -- So  ve  18:59, 13 March 2011 (EDT)

I Have Something To Ask You
Hello. I'm UxieLover1994 of the Spyro Wiki. We moved to ShoutWiki late last year due to the Wikia skin, but now ShoutWiki's playing up, and I've not edited there for about a week. I thought they would be better than Wikia, but I was wrong. I regret this move, and now I'm thinking of becoming independet. I'm kindly asking if you could help us, please?

I'm the main administrator over there, and I have been active since March 2010. Uxie  Lover  1994 02:43, 21 March 2011 (EDT)


 * I'll take a look when it's back up but I can't commit to hosting it. If you decide to host yourself I can assist there. --Porplemontage 13:45, 21 March 2011 (EDT)


 * I would like to host it myself, but I'm unable to pay for it. Is there a way to avoid paying, even if it means advertising for other websites? And thank you for your assistance. If the ShoutWiki site does not come back by March 30th, you might have to visit Wikia's version. I'm trying to change the wiki to make it more Spyro-themed, so I won't mind restarting. Uxie   Lover  1994 01:44, 22 March 2011 (EDT)
 * Oh, and one more thing: we want Monaco, as well. Uxie   Lover  1994 01:56, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

Google Adsense may be best to offset the cost but you need a bit of traffic. --Porplemontage 16:50, 24 March 2011 (EDT)


 * Can you give me a link? (Sorry I've not replyed). Also, if ShoutWiki's not back by tomorrow night, well, who knows what will happen... Uxie   Lover  1994 08:41, 29 March 2011 (EDT)


 * Adsense - you'd need to get the website going before you sign up. --Porplemontage 08:45, 29 March 2011 (EDT)


 * Thanks, but it says I need an Adsense E-mail account (though I already have a Google Account), and I've already got two E-mail accounts. I don't want a third, y'know. Is this really needed. Uxie   Lover  1994 08:51, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

It's a long-term thing. It's not going to help you get the site going. --Porplemontage 14:09, 29 March 2011 (EDT)


 * What do you mean? (And I think it's better off you visit Wikia's site. ShoutWiki has been destroyed) Uxie   Lover  1994 05:40, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

Mind Made Up
I've made up my mind (Sorry it took a while); we will move to our own host (with adds, since I'm unable to pay for stuff on the internet). ShoutWiki will be back online soon (hopefully). But I still need a lot of help. Can you explain more? (I'm currently the only active member there at the moment, so that's one reason why I need help). Uxie  Lover  1994 05:00, 10 April 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, have you started looking at webhosts? --Porplemontage 05:04, 10 April 2011 (EDT)


 * Yes, but I cannot use webhosts.com, since I'm unable to afford it. Is there another way, or is it hopeless to start an indepenet wiki on my own? If there is, can you tell me? I'm being very positive. Uxie   Lover  1994 05:10, 10 April 2011 (EDT)


 * I'd say start with shared hosting; I've used this company and didn't have any issues. You can get a domain from GoDaddy for $7/year. I don't know of a way to go without making purchases online. --Porplemontage 05:18, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
 * But even then, I would have to pay. It's no use. I'm just going to stay with the crashing ShoutWiki until someone who can afford it joins the Spyro Wiki. I'm so sorry I got you in on all this. Uxie   Lover  1994 05:26, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

Sidebar
I'm trying to get the sidebar fixed, and I think I've found the main issue with the last try. However, I've noticed that the font-size of the cells increases the further into a tree I go, and I can't find any obvious controls for that action in order to fix it. Could you take a look at it? 13:50, 24 March 2011 (EDT)


 * I think the font is fixed. The submenus are not always working for me now though. Also the other language links to Wikia--it's probably not best to send traffic to Wikia--it's a black hole, they are not linking here. --Porplemontage 16:50, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

Math extension
I'm not sure what's entailed with this, but I'd like to have the "math" extension that wikipedia uses. If that's not possible, I can use image substitutes, but I'd prefer the math extension. 20:53, 15 April 2011 (EDT)


 * Sorry, but there's a lot that goes into getting that to work, and it's really not worth all the trouble. Using images will have to suffice. --Porplemontage 22:40, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

Humble question...
How would you feel about moving the Chronopedia (this) like you did the KH Wiki? If not, do you know anybody who can or is willing to? Thanks. -- 19:59, 12 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Sorry, but I'm really not looking to host more wikis right now. I don't know anyone specifically who would help, but you can try posting at NIWA to see if they have any advice. --Porplemontage 12:07, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

Favicon
You can change the favicon, yes? If you can, can you replace it with this? http://www.4shared.com/file/ZWAS2UIK/Favicon.html 02:56, 29 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Sure, and it looks really nice. --Porplemontage 03:02, 29 May 2011 (EDT)

Bots plus
What are our options for bots? Could we get AutoWikiBrowser?

Also, how much can we do to the script for the search bar? Could we make it like Wikipedia's, which shows redirects with the suggestions only if the article name isn't one of the suggestions? -- 22:15, 31 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Bots - You can do whatever you like. I personally don't know much about them, but on my other wikis users have been able to use them just fine. They are something you manage on your end. AWB - I read that's for Windows, so it looks like you use it on your own computer, not something I would have to install. For the search, we're using MW:Manual:$wgEnableMWSuggest with MW:Extension:TitleKey. I'm not sure what we would modify, exactly. --Porplemontage 23:07, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

Forums
I noticed today that recently created forums aren't showing up in the forum indexes. KrytenKoro says this has been the case ever since we moved from Wikia. I even tried clearing my cache and refreshing several times, to no avail. Based on the timestamps on the forums in the index, it's taking about three or four days for a newly created forum to be put into the index. I'm not sure what the issue is, but do you think you might be able to fix it? This would greatly help draw attention to forums that need it. Thanks! -- 04:42, 25 June 2011 (EDT)


 * I've added links to refresh the page for now. --Porplemontage 05:51, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

Widget
Do you think you could install the widget extension as well as the soundcloud widget? 21:32, 1 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Got it. Just keep in mind that local OGG files are ideal since they don't depend on another site to provide content. --Porplemontage 12:09, 2 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Thanks! But yeah, but we mostly use the .ogg files for game tracks. I don't want to fill the site with redundant tracks that'll only be used in the MA. 14:01, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Extension request
We are having an "image purging" but the process becomes tiresome because all the images needs to be deleted manually (go to the file, click delete, give reason and confirm etc. for every image), so I got an idea and found this extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DeleteBatch

This extension would make the deletion process faster and much more finger sparing as admins only need to copypaste the filenames (File namespace is still needed, of course) and confirm, the script deletes all of the listed pages.

This extension is bureaucrat only by default so you would need to enable it for admins too, which is an easy task.

-- So  ve  11:00, 25 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I generally stay away from beta-tagged ones unless we absolutely need it. On top of that, you'll read on the talk page that it doesn't delete files properly. Someone has posted a fix on there, but I don't want to risk it on a big production wiki likes ours. --Porplemontage 21:56, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

UTC Timezone
Do you think it's possible for you to change the time that shows in signatures and edits to UTC? Because it's set to EDT... We've been wanting to solve this ever since we moved here. 14:51, 7 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Sure thing. --Porplemontage 19:00, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

New usergroup
Hi, this was decided in the Roundtable of July or June that we would make a new group that is specifically made for the Image Renovation Project. We need a group that has all powers that relate to images, such as moving and deleting them. Once it is decided you can refer to this forum and add users who have signed their signatures.

Specifically these rights: 02:44, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * delete
 * movefile
 * suppressredirect


 * Call it "Artists", please. -- 02:52, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok; I'll let the bureaucrats place the appropriate users since it's within their power. --Porplemontage 02:56, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Related questions, is there a list of all the available individual rights, and are there rights that are not lists on the Special:UserGroupRights page? -- 03:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah; here is everything. --Porplemontage 03:21, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Multiple Upload
I'm not sure if this is fixable, but for multiple uploads, only the first image can be taken from a url, instead of all of them. 14:33, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm having trouble using the URL thing. On the multiple upload, it simply says the image is empty, while on the regular upload, I have to make a failed attempt to upload the file from the "browse" bar before it will let me type anything on the URL bar. 14:46, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * We have the latest version of the extension; these are likely bugs and the thing is not well-maintained. I just messed around with it to show the five URL upload fields. Let me know if it works; if not, I'll just revert it back to the default latest version. --Porplemontage 14:55, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm removing MultiUpload since it's in that beta/never updated state and doesn't seem to be working properly. For the normal URL upload, selecting the radio button to the right of the text field gets everything going to allow text there. --Porplemontage 15:38, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Monobook

 * What was Monaco is now MonoBook and what was MonoBook is now ClassicBook. You can switch to ClassicBook in your preferences. The reasoning for this is that both skins are actually based off Monobook and this change makes it easier to keep the default skin up-to-date. --Porplemontage 14:40, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me. I'll switch it right away. :) Uxie   Lover   1994  14:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)