User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa

Crazy idea given by HeartofOblivion (2009.09.16)
Okay, sort of a quiz on which WikiFauna one would be...

1. Are you okay with anonymous IPs making constructive edits onto pages?
 * Yes
 * I'm annoyed

2. Do you welcome new users?
 * Yes
 * Only if I have the time
 * No

3. If anyone asks you for help, you...
 * Gladly help them
 * Say that you'd like to, but you don't have the time
 * Snap at them

4. What is your most edited domain?
 * Main
 * User
 * Template
 * Category
 * MediaWiki
 * Kingdom Hearts Wiki

5. You have a penchant for...
 * thinking fast.
 * proper grammar.
 * proper colour combinations.
 * translating Japanese into English.
 * searching for pictures.
 * making Category Trees.
 * socialising!!
 * two or more of the above.
 * all of the above.

6. Do you love making your own userboxes?
 * Yes
 * I'd love to, but I don't know how to make one
 * No

7. While editing...
 * you ask for others' opinions before putting the information in question into the article
 * you don't ask for opinions, but cite a source
 * you just put it right into the article!

8. How are you towards other users?
 * Mild-mannered
 * Can be a bit snappy if I don't have enough food/you get the point.
 * Downright rude
 * I don't *bleep* care if people don't speak 1337, I'm gonna use it!

9. You are...
 * an introvert
 * an extrovert

10. Which of these animals/creatures appeals to you?
 * Fish
 * Otter
 * Sloth
 * Octopus
 * Jaguar
 * Cat
 * Dragon
 * Mercenary
 * Knight
 * Gremlin
 * Imp
 * Giant
 * Troll
 * Goon
 * Princess
 * Ogre
 * Gnome
 * Fairy
 * Zombie

11. Your goal on the wiki is...
 * to make constructive edits based on the sources I have
 * to obtain adminship
 * to help others in the editing process
 * to spoil the work that has already been started
 * to make theories and counter them
 * to socialise!

You know, I seriously think we need 19 responses per question, to comply with the 19 types of WikiFauna available, so we can easily choose which one the user corresponds to.

Different Fauna
I found out that there are 25 types of Fauna on the regular Wiki.
 * WikiElf
 * WikiFairy
 * WikiGnome
 * WikiOgre
 * WikiTroll
 * WikiCat
 * WikiDragon
 * WikiFallen
 * WikiGiant
 * WikiGoon
 * WikiGremlin
 * WikiGryphon
 * WikiImp
 * WikiJaguar
 * WikiKnight
 * WikiKraken
 * WikiMercenary
 * WikiMinnow
 * WikiOtter
 * WikiPrincess
 * WikiSloth
 * WikiTrout
 * WikiVampire
 * WikiWizard
 * WikiZombie

- Heart  Of Oblivion  03:54, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Whoa ! So wait a minute : can you pass me the link to each ? So that I can see what types of personalities they have ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 04:00, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Here is one page and then all the others are in a navigation box at the bottom. - Heart  Of Oblivion  04:10, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

OMG. Now here's to thinking what characters should be placed into the userboxes.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 04:14, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello there, mind if I barge in :P I happen to have a Quizilla account, and I'd love to try to make this WikiFauna test for you :D I think that we should set it up as 24 questions, with (at least) 10 answer possibilities, defining the answer. Each question would be about a single WikiThingy's specialty, like How do you treat newbies? (the best answer would be for WikiOtters, while the worst would probably be for the WikiVampires). Get it? could we do this? - Ice boy Svalur! 14:34, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Sweet! But for 25 WikiFauna possibilities, what should we do?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 14:36, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

This has been awhile but I agree. I don't think we should have a question like #10 up above. I always hate that when I take a quiz and I feel like I know what I'm going to get as a result because of questions like those. It should be about the person's personality and editing style. - 05:00, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Image Choices

 * WikiGryphon: Wyvern?
 * WikiFallen: Wight Knight
 * WikiMinnow: Flounder and make WikiTrout an Aquatank?
 * WikiVampire: Sora's Vampire form
 * WikiWizard: Yen Sid or Merlin
 * WikiElf: Santa Elves from Christmas Town
 * WikiFairy: Tinkerbell We already had it just wasn't on the Userbox page.

Another problem: categorisation. See Category talk:Users by WikiFauna.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 04:26, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Well, we'll have to wait for an admin to help because we can't move categories and it would take awhile to go through all of them and then have to delete them. - Heart  Of Oblivion  04:29, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

They have the Move button. We normal users used to have it but when Wikia changed its policies here and there, they decreed that we can't have the move button. See how much trouble it creates for us. I used to be able to move articles at my own will. Now I can't.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 04:32, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: We do have the Move button, but not for Categories. Damn.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 04:34, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Or files. I'd love to stay up and help but I have classes tomorrow. So night! - Heart  Of Oblivion  04:35, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

G'night then. See ya soon.  TNÉ  En avant <font color="#00bfff">Bravo ! 04:43, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Once again, sorry this has been so long. Did we ever fix this problem? If not, I shall ping an admin. - 05:00, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Organisation XIII, Series 2
Credit goes to ENX for the idea of adding quotes.  TNÉ  <font color="#00BFFF">Pour Noël je te donnerai <font color="#C0C0C0">le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 04:11, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Kindly refer to Userboxes/Characters#Organization XIII for the complete collection.

If there should be another round of mod/admin voting ? (2009.10.22)
Ideas for a new implementation system. There are quite a lot of users who think their Wikipeers should select them for modship/adminship, and I believe a lot of us are quite aware about this. However, this is my plan. It's foolproof, there's no need for fights, edit wars, or Wiki users crying over un-nominated people ! Here's the pitch :


 * First, we take a look at the users' edit count by hitting Special:Editcount/(the user's name).
 * The fields to be judged are
 * Mainspace. This should be the main concern.
 * Kingdom Hearts Wiki
 * Help (perhaps)
 * File
 * Category
 * MediaWiki (where applicable)
 * Templates - not a good category to pick, because many people make humongous edits to their talk templates. However, if a user's been known to make tables/tabs/userboxes/infoboxes/navigation templates or help out in coding, then we'd most certainly consider him/her.
 * From these fields, the Staff panel will discuss on nominations, and a list of names will be selected, along with their reasons.
 * From there, all users of the Wiki vote.
 * The final results of the users' poll determines who gets selected. In a way, the Wikipeers are voting, but for the right reasons.

Feedback s’il vous plaît !
 * It sounds great, and much better than the previous peer-nominating. Before, Users who mainly just roamed the talk pages and blogs got nominated by their social peers, whereas that will no longer be a case in point. Also, nice note on the template; for several users, this is why they have a surprisingly high edit count in template; however, there are Users like Xiggie and ILHI who work in that namespace regularly. Altogether, great system. However, the staff actually seems very solid right now; I wouldn't count on having another staff election anywhere in the near, or even somewhat far future. -- Door To  Nothing <font face=Trebuchet MS color=red>Kupo! 04:41, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Remodelling of the Manual of Style
Our proposed remodelling of the MOS was supposed to take place last October, some time after the release of Days. Now Days, BBS and Coded are already out in full, and there are several issues that need to be addressed !

I call on all users to deliberate in this section, raise issues which you think need to be mentioned in the MOS, as well as put in new templates, or guidelines on using them, if needed.

I think there should be a guideline on Boss pages describing their layout, in the same manner as the layout of character pages already in the MoS.-- Lapis of the Night  04:29, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, strike that. I could have sworn there was not a section in the MoS about that before... Whatever, glad its there now. However, I would like to see an addition to it: our policy on battle quotes. I personally don't care about them, but I have no idea if we allow them, forbid them, or have some sort of limit for them like on character pages. Generally, there are much fewer battle quotes than normal ones, so is a limit warranted?-- Lapis of the Night  04:51, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

There should be mentioned not to put spoilers on the article's first paragraph and always use spoiler tags on the story section.Redeemer &amp; Destroyer 04:46, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

We will need to add all the new templates/infoboxes for Days, Final Mixes and BBS that Kryten has made especially under the Items and Equipments and also add the different templates for enemies and bosses under the obvious section. We should add under General something about the new Game template and the game navigation templates. I also wouldn't mind there being a category tree of some sort. Many images or pages are categorized improperly or they are not given an actual category but are categorized by ones like "Articles with unofficial translations", etc. from the maintenance templates at the top. - 04:51, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and once the Ultimania guide on BBS comes out (not sure when that'll be), we'll have to start infoboxes for the Unversed.


 * And on the subject of categorising images, maybe we should add this under the Media section ? <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  04:55, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Ultimania might come out this next month. It took them around a month to release the 358/2 Days Ultimania. And the thing about categorization, it's not just images. Some people make pages and categorize them wrong or simply do not add them. - 05:07, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, I was part of the problem once :P So for the categorisation section, we'll put it this way : which images or pages should be categorised under which categories. It's an exhaustive list. Then we have categorisation of categories..... <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  05:11, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we should add...

Information from interviews

Recent updates on unreleased games

Magazine scans

Japan-only publications, such as the Ultimania?

and Maybe add an Extra to Copyright FAQ's? Death never been this close to you... 07:41, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, which kind of copyright, first of all ? (Do tell !) And we don't usually add scans because by the time the full render is out, the scan will no longer serve its purpose. Do remember that whilst a lot of these are good suggestions, we don't bank on speculation, ya ? <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  09:21, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for inviting me into this discussion =) You guys have already said things I was thinking of saying, so I'm clean out of ideas now. =P

But, I do have one thing I'd like to ask: I've spotted a few minuscule punctuation mistakes / differences in the Manual of Style, like, some of the "E.g."s are lacking colons after them, or aren't bold. Does anyone mind if I fix them? (Sorry, but I likes mah grammar! ^_^) Dan   - IS THE KING OF THE PLATYPI!!!  13:40, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, by all means ! <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  13:41, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! =D Dan   - IS THE KING OF THE PLATYPI!!!  13:49, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

All right. So over the course of the past few months I've been here and become a more active Main Space editor, there are some issues that have repeatedly come up :


 * With the release of Days, some Heartless names were changed. We should not be changing them to match this, as they are still the original enemies.
 * We should mention something about the "See Also's", and how they are pretty much a redundant section. We should also make note of how many are allowed to be placed
 * Perhaps make note of the amount of navigational templates a page is allowed to have? While the intent was to create game navi's, this really crowds up a page.
 * This might be a tad irrelevant, but whenever a new game comes out or a past game is relatively new, people continue to remove the Spoiler tags, as well as some of the templates needed on the page to indicate this. This should be strongly stressed in the new MoS, or at least we should remind users to re-read the spoiler policy.
 * I all ready made note of this, but we continue to have edit wars, that continue to result in vandalism, possibly draining out the chances of getting a good contributor. If there is some sort of "What and What Not to Do on the Wiki" page we could work on and list our stresses there, then that would be good. This may also aid us in redeeming our reputation (I think some of us would know what I mean)
 * We should make note of adding images and videos to pages, how images (if screenshots of weapons and such, not necessarily scenes) should be added mainly to the gallery, and random renders shouldn't just be placed in to make the page "look pretty." Again we could stress the image policy, and we should also make note of just how many images are allowed on a page, my example being the Awakening. As for videos, they should only be added to the bottom of a boss page and only if the character or enemy is credited as such (Days mainly brought up this dispute, as bosses were fought several times as regular enemies). One (hopefully) ENGLISH and HIGH QUALITY video should be placed per character appearance as a boss, unless we decide upon a video amount or policy. A video should not (if possible) be placed in parts, as this crowds the page. A video should only just show the boss fight, so we're not spoiling a scene in a new game (such as the BBS videos) and it's not a "Get to the point!" situation.

Welp, that's all I can think of for now, but I'll add to it if I think of anything else. Eternal Nothingness  XIII


 * I don't think the number of images is an issue, but rather the relevance. Awakening, to borrow your example, ENX, looks fine to me; the images don't overcrowd the article and serve to illustrate its purpose.  An image gallery detailing how a character's appearance has changed from game to game or within a game would also not be out of place.  Truthfully, I haven't seen a gross overuse of images around here in ages.


 * We had a discussion going ages back about the whole See Also issue, but I think we need to agree on how it should be used first before committing anything. We might want to revisit that one.


 * As for edit wars: I hate to say it, but we can rant, we can rave, we can ban, and they are still somehow going to happen. It's an inevitable aspect of having a wiki.  Other than getting an admin to step in and help if it continues to rage, there's not much we can do about them anyway, short of locking up the entire wiki.  Which, as we've mentioned many times before, just ain't going to happen.


 * I wasn't aware that the spoiler tags were being removed; we shouldn't have to, but I'll add that to the spoiler policy. If it continues to happen, let me know; I want a chat with those who are doing it.

01:35, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

About those bosses in Days that also appear as normal enemies. I heard somewhere they were categorized as sub-bosses or mini-bosses. D.Dark. 16:31, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well, after searching, I found some walkthroughs videos that I might be able to put up on Mission page. Last time I checked...there weren't alot of walkthroughs. DarkestofHearts 01:20, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

I should divide these into sub-headings for each issue, once everyone has raised his/her issues, what do you think ? <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  03:33, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan, but when do you think everyone will have their issues raised? Also, I noticed some of the comments had matters that don't pertain to the MoS editing wise; should we create a branch off of the MoS involving user conduct and such?-- Xion 4  ever  03:51, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Good thought. Now, give me between five to ten minutes whilst I read the whole thing and try divide it into subsections. <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  04:06, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, anymore ? <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  04:10, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Edit conflict): Oks, here goes:


 * Limiting: I think if we limit too many things for a page, it will be a but difficult and painstaking to go through and remove images or something.


 * See Also: My only problem is that they are redundant 4 out of 5 times. Maybe my opinion has changed over time (>>), but I think they should stick to the Enemy/Boss pages.


 * Templates: Sometimes, people don't know which navitemplates/infoboxes to use for a page. There should be a section in the MoS explaining which ones are for which pages and the template pages themselves should display how to use them. Also, the navitemplates that are on pages, but the page is not in the template as link, should be removed. This could cut down on the number of used navitemplates.


 * Spoiler tags: The bane of wikis, no spoiler tags. Or at least, removed spoiler tags. Things have been spoiler for me and various wikis because of this. They should never be removed.


 * Video Walkthroughs: Should we really have them? We could just, if we haven't already, add moar detail to the pages instead. The video walkthroughs should go in... a walkthrough of some kind. Everyone knows how I feel about videos in articles.


 * Categorizing: I'm big on this. We should have some sort of category tree or Help page for categorizing. Just because a lot of pages have redundant categories. Hmmm, maybe this is moar for images... I've been meaning to work on something like this, but like always, I've been procrastinating.

In retrospect, I feel that I blabbed moar about wiki issues/opinions than the actual remodeling of the MoS >> -<font color="#4682B4">Azul (talk ・contribs) 04:11, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Videos
It seems that a lot of users put up non KH videos, or fan-made KH vids here on the wiki, but I think that the main reason for that is because they don't know of the YouTube tag. I think that we have to make a note of that in the MoS. Also, about Boss battle videos, I think that we shouldn't have that 4-vid limit. I mean, if the boss if fought in KH, CoM and BBS, shouldn't we have videos of all the fights? -  — <font face=Trebuchet MS color=Red>Ripp <font face=Trebuchet MS color=blue>Rapp<font face=Trebuchet MS color=green>Rupp 15:57, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, it is kinda surprising that the Beginner's Userpage bit didn't help.


 * We'll make that six vids, or eight, depending on whether we're going to include bits from Coded and the last game. <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  16:00, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Categorisation
I once had the problem of not being able to categorise things accordingly, and I'm sure many others go through the same problem now. So here's what : Azul has proposed a Category Tree help page or section somewhere. What do you think ?

Personally, I second the idea. <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  04:18, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I totally agree. I used to be a part of the problem myself, mainly because categorization wasn't really enforced enough. I think that we have to make it clear to new users that they should categorize the images they upload, and then putting up a category tree help page would be an awesome idea. -  — <font face=Trebuchet MS color=Red>Ripp <font face=Trebuchet MS color=blue>Rapp<font face=Trebuchet MS color=green>Rupp 15:57, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler Policy
The current stance is that spoiler tags should not be removed. Any thoughts ? <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  04:16, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * See this; number four, Kate added that earlier today. Seems like a pretty solid rule to me.-- Xion 4  ever  04:25, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Suhweet, we'll put that in place. <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  04:35, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, sounds pretty solid. -  — <font face=Trebuchet MS color=Red>Ripp <font face=Trebuchet MS color=blue>Rapp<font face=Trebuchet MS color=green>Rupp 16:04, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Warning Templates
I need everyone, yes, everyone, to take a look at this page. It's an issue which I addressed in the IRC just yesterday, and I believe it should be put to effect. <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  04:07, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Second! =) Dan   - IS THE KING OF THE PLATYPI!!!  12:23, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * (ugh, came late...) Third! So far no one's objected to it! Ricki
 * Isn't it really just what we have now? Everyone has always been able to use the Warning templates! But putting some stuff in the MoS about not rushing to vandal talk pages and feed the trolls would be a good idea :P -  — <font face=Trebuchet MS color=Red>Ripp <font face=Trebuchet MS color=blue>Rapp<font face=Trebuchet MS color=green>Rupp 16:10, January 31, 2010 (UTC)