Talk:Yuna, Rikku, and Paine

"More Gracious" Comment
I've pulled the "more gracious" comment from the entry's text and request that you please not re-add it. That's a personal opinion that does not belong in an encyclopedia entry. In addition, implying that that showing skin is tasteless treads very close to slut shaming on the list of "Things You Do Not Do If You Don't Want To Be Blatantly Misogynist."

69.19.14.26 16:33, June 20, 2010 (UTC) Swinburne

FFwiki users, do you think CSM would have liked them a little bit more if they were dressed like this in FFX-2? just joking =D Pablo618 21:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, but they need to be more detailed in the other games. We don't even know what they really are... --Unbirth 21:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That's nice for you, darlin' (and I'm sorry, I'm a total guest here), but I've pulled the "more gracious" comment from the entry's text. The amount of skin you believe women should or should not show is nobody's business but your own, and some readers may resent the idea that showing skin is tasteless.

69.19.14.26 16:28, June 20, 2010 (UTC) Swinburne
 * Mind you, I'm putting it back. Because it's not being subjective, keep in mind that Kingdom Hearts is a game for minors and up. You won't wanna be showing flesh to them, even if you think it's okay. 01:11, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * EDIT 01:13, June 21, 2010 (UTC) : Well, at least you didn't remove that bit. But the wiki stance remains : be gracious. And about it being nobody's business but our own, hello, there's such a thing as moral police on this wiki, so watch your words.
 * "More gracious" is a loaded value judgment -- and value judgments are subjective. The word "gracious" itself is subjective, which makes it inexact and inappropriate for a wiki entry. A more precise way of expressing that idea would be the changes I made, which I tried to keep straight to the facts (the Gullwing fairies show less skin than the Final Fantasy X-2 Gullwings) without throwing in any sort of value judgment.

69.19.14.26 01:58, June 21, 2010 (UTC) Swinburne
 * Fair enough, but graciousness is indeed the reason Nomura remodelled Aqua for it to be E10+. If I were you, I wouldn't change it. I'm leaving the content as it is for now, because the facts are still there. But keep what I said in mind. 02:19, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's all well and fair, hon, but 1: If that's a direct quote, it needs to be placed in quotation marks and attributed. If you don't attribute it, the line reads as if it's your opinion and value judgment. And 2: I fail to see how a redesign for Aqua says anything about the Gullwings worth quoting.

97.219.232.24 17:20, June 22, 2010 (UTC) Swinburne

Ha, you'd obviously fail to see it, because you don't even think of how the E10+ theme is kept throughout the game. Aqua's redesign + the Gullwings' redesign = keeping in line with the ratings. No person in his right mind who plays a game with Disney in it would expect the game to be rated T and up, unless it's so epic that it has to feature aggravated violence ! 23:37, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how I miscommunicated in my previous comment, but I was not and am not talking about the ratings or the nature of Disney. I objected to what I perceived as a value judgment, which does not belong in a wiki, and you informed me that what I'd perceived as a value judgment was in fact a direct statement by Nomura.  Unfortunately, unattributed quotes can read as personal opinions.  If Nomura actually said that he redesigned the Gullwings so their clothing would be "more gracious," then the comment should have been in quotation marks; otherwise, people who don't have a nigh-encyclopedic memory of comments made by the character designer will have no idea that Nomura actually said that.  If Nomura did not, in fact, say that about the Gullwings, then you need to elucidate and defend why a quote about a completely different character applies to the Gullwings--without saying or implying that it's self-evident.  (As a quick aside, please mind your tone. Passive-aggressive statements like "you'd obviously fail to see it" don't belong in any discourse you'd like to keep civilized.) --Swinburne 01:39, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, Nomura did indeed do it, and because we did not directly quote from one of his interviews, we kept it without quotation marks. Value judgement or not, it'd have been a value judgement on Nomura's part, and even the smallest of these value judgements are that important for Kingdom Hearts. And no, by putting that, we're not the least bit mysogynist ; Kingdom Hearts = E10+ ; cover up, imbue the kids with love. Not some skin-revealing, goodness-knows-what-kind-of-other vice. 02:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Character Box?
Does they need a character box? In case my question gets to vague, you know, the Golden-info box.--N/A
 * Yeah they do. Need a bit of tweaking tho. [^_^]/ 15:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll do it -Azul 21:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)