Talk:Ienzo

Guard or Scientist

 * "Damn it Aeleus! That's the third test tube today!" "...." My randomness knows no bounds! :P Aaaanyway, yeah, Ienzo will probably be a scientist type in this. Maybe Aeleus, Braig and Dilan are more 'field researchers', with guards being a minor job while nothing is going on. Guess we'll find out as more news comes, and when the game comes out.Adam 148 17:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

How Old will Ienzo be?
ok, so BbS is suposed to be 10 years before KH1 right?

we know that the events of the game will take place before the six aprentances banish ansem to the relm of nothingness.

i know Zexions age is never said, but to me personaly he seems about the ages of 16-19.

that would possably make him possably 6 to 9 years old in BbS, far too early for him to be a scientist.

chances are in BbS, Ienzo will be a child who dreams of becoming a scientist to serv under Ansem, wouch could make sence. and as a child he could carry around a book, a dictonary, to help him learn things quicker, to incresses his chances of becoming a student of ansem

its just a theory of mine but still.

User~Ixbran

I agree with you there. It is said that Zexion is the second youngest member in the Organization. Roxas is 15, so I'm sure Ienzo is at least 19 or so. With BBS taking 10 years before the game, I'm looking forward into seeing a child Ienzo! Kyaa~!-- 17:09, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the problem with that is that this would be around the time he became a Nobody and STOPPED aging. So he should be around the same age, otherwise we can assume the others (who look to be in their early 20s by Days/CoM) would be teenagers in BbS, which they clearly aren't from the pics we've seen. Adam 148 17:18, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I can't wait to see him!-- 18:06, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Except we've been told they became Nobodies around BbS. Whatever Braig looks like could be caused ingame, or due to the experiments. We know they became Nobodies at least 9 years before KH though. Adam 148 21:08, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Well also take into account, his Aprentase Xehanort has yet to make an appearance, all we know is that Braig, Dilin, Even, Lexeaus and Ienzo are suposed to appear in game, but no info on xehanort being in the game.

also take into account, their physical apearances. in KH2 Xigbar looks as old as Even, while in BBS Braig looks about the age of terra.

i think the events of BBS take place before Xehanort becomes Ansems aprentace; ergo before they dabbled in darkness and became nobodys.

but again this is all speculation on my part. Ienzo might very well be an aprentace of Ansems, while at the same time if eel he will be too young.

or he could end up being a child genious and having been accepted as an aprentace at an early age, wont know till we actualy see him now wont we

~Ixbran


 * Ixbran, did you ever play KHII? Xehanort was in that. The event where he appears is not long before he and the other apprentices take on their Nobody forms. Xehanort doesn't seem to have aged since that event, which we can take to be about a year after BbS. We can assume that BbS will show us the reason behind Xehanort's amnesia, so we can assume this is the time he turns up in Radiant Garden, so the apprentices will not age much. Adam 148 17:37, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Picture

 * Images of Xehanort haven't appeared for BbS yet have they (Xehanort, Ansem's Apprentice)? If they haven't, then we can assume that BbS revolves around his origins and lack of memory. If this is the case then it can't be more than a year or 2 before he and the other apprentices become the Organisation. If we consider the example of Sora from KH and his growth to KHII, which took less than a year, then we can assume growth rates in the KH universe are rather exaggerated. So Ienzo could grow a lot in this time, we can't know until the game comes out. Adam 148 17:57, November 25, 2009 (UTC) (My computer is acting up, it's logged me out of everything today ¬_¬)


 * Ienzo's cuteness seems to be a silly thing to argue about. So he hasn't gone through a growth spurt yet, who cares? :P Adam 148 18:57, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

"Hahahahaha, i knew it i knew it i KNEW it, he IS a child in KS BbS.

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phooy on all those who doubted my theory.

~ Ixbran"

"yes, i was the one who started the 'How Old will Ienzo be?' topic.

i figured that since BbS took place 10 years before the origonal KH, i submited the theory that Ienzo might be a child in BbS. some agreed with my theory, most did not

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but i was right, Yay for me.

im almost alwase wrong when it comes to this sort of thing, its nice finnaly having guessed the right thing for once.

~Ixbran"

How to pronounce his name
How do you pronounce Ienzo's name? — Ghost boy 3000 18:59, November 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Good question... um... well, I pronounce it EE-en-Zo. But it'll probably be something like Yen-Zo or Yent-so. Adam 148 19:02, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

It actually is i-en-zo.

It's (just like the katakana say...) "ee-en-tso". Italian-style Z.—Urutapu 06:44, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

No, it IS i-en-zo. I'm sure I didn't make it up. Yay Goofy referance.

is it me?
Or does Ienzo look like a kid he almost looks younger then me and i'm 12...............Firaga44 00:52, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

We'll see his actual age soon. But yes, he does look pretty young...

Re: Picture
Yeah, just leave her alone. She knows what she's doing. I bet you can't find a better one! Xienzo

Aging
hmmmm,well,like you said,it's a theory,it's possible,but I thought that they became nobodies at about the same time,I think that when Ienzo became a nobody,he got a bit taller,but maybe 6 months or so past since the beginning of birth by sleep also making him little taller,as for Braig,he probably did get those scars from Terra.

well,maybe Ienzo's just small? user:Iownedsephorothatlvl5

As far as we know the Nobody doesn't have to look exactly like his human form (Sora = Roxas), maybe Ienzo phisical age as a Nobody is a reflection of his mental age as human. He is inteligent enough to be Ansen's aprendice right?


 * We know that Maleficent turned up in Hollow Bastion 9 years before KH, by which time we can assume all of them had become Heartless and Nobodies and formed the Organisation by this time. Adam 148 18:06, November 29, 2009 (UTC) (My damned computer logged me out again :

... Xienzo


 * Remember that it is 'about a year' before. We know from 358/2 Days that Sora was sleeping for less than a year, because all we had to go on was the 'about a year' thing. So Xehanort turning up, recovering and turning against Ansem could take over a year, because we know that BbS takes place, 'about 10 years' before KHI. Adam 148 17:28, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Well, maybe Maleficent took Radiant Garden less then 9 years ago, remember the people who said that were the same people who believed Xehanort was Ansem, also it is possible the heartless attacked Radiant Garden 9 years ago because of Xehanort and everybody assume it was Maleficent because she also uses heartless. Oh yeah, there might be a possibiility that Xehanort isn't Vanitas, Terra or Master Xehanort and is already living in Radiant Garden by the time Bbs begins, who knows maybe he is the reason MX disappear.--Masgrande 13:50, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * The people who said that have never, anywhere, said that they believe Xehanort was Ansem. First off, they never actually encounter Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) to tell Sora "Yep that's him", and they probably just assumed the Ansem Reports were written by Ansem the Wise. Bare in mind that while they know about them, they never actually READ them themselves. Adam 148 17:21, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Voice
I got something that might interest you guys. I got in touch with Zexion's voice actor. I don't have any accounts on photobucket or imageshack, but I will copy and past my little chat here with him.

Hey NinjaSheik, Thx for the email. I haven't heard anything about it yet, but I'm hoping I do get to come back. All the best Vince

On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:57 PM, NinjaSheik wrote:

Hello. I'm a big Kingdom Hearts fan and I know you voice for the cute and cool Zexion from Kingdom Hearts. Are you going to voice Ienzo, Zexio's Othe half, in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep?

The message goes from the bottom up. Enjoy. He doesn't know about Ienzo, so I got nothing about it. I'm still talking to him. I'm trying to get an interview with him. Any questions you want me to ask him, better start now.-- 19:04, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ienzo is probably fine, actually. In Japanese, anyway. Akira Ishida has done children before.—Urutapu 20:11, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ienzo don't have voice he doesn't talka word in the game--Xabryn 16:15, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Relationship to Ansem The Wise
awwwwwww :) -User:nhigirl 23:05,January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think he's neither a foster son, nor a real son. I think, ATW is just being a father-figure for Ienzo, because Ienzo doesn't look older than 8. Put yourself in his place. --Rei. 16:11, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Impressionable?
Everyone knows that children are extremely impressionable, it's a documented fact. Does anyone think that due to Ienzo's young age, Xehanort may have led Ienzo down the wrong path, and by the time Ienzo learned the difference, it was too late for apprenticeshim to change who he had become?

If this is the case, it would mean that Ienzo has one of the more tragic fates of all. Led down the wrong path, led into betraying his stepfather, and then losing his heart, and any chances of repairing the damage done. Zexion-Ienzo- probably grew up without a heart, and thus has even fewer memories to draw off of.

Of course, growing up without a heart meant that while he knew he didn't have a heart, it was easier to form a personality, for him to feel pseudo emotions, and for him to learn to emulate the other apprentices. He also grew up unable to feel guilt, happiness, sadness, or anything that could have led him down the correct path. He didn't even have motivation, and had no desire to leave the organization or change his habits. As a result, Ienzo -Zexion- probably turned out the way he did because he was led astray as a child, and then lost the ability to be led back.

Thoughts on this? Dragonraptyr 17:45, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

even the smartest kid is still impressionable. I know everyone has different opinions, I'm just throwing mine out there. Dragonraptyr 17:54, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

"Ienzo With his Adoptive Father, Ansem the Wise"
Yes I have proof. I translated the conversation myself. He is in fact Ansem's adopted son and NOT Even's. I don't know why people keep changing his page to say that.

Even
^^ I told this people about 2 weeks ago and no one believed me!Eveb cleary states that he is in charge of raising Ienzo.But no one listened to me D:Kaialone 13:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Just hold on a moment. Maybe he is ATW's adoptive son, but maybe Even was in charge of looking after him. You know "babysitting".-- 22:34, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * We have more proof of him being Even's, and it should remain as such until we get an official English source, rather than make loose, inferred and unsourced claims. - EternalNothingnessXIII 22:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

All right.-- 22:46, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

!!!! He is Ansem the Wise's adopted son. I translated the conversation myself. Even has nothing to do with it. - GaaraxShukakuIScute !!!!!!

Voice Actor
Do we really need the voice acting section? I mean he doesen't have one, so why we have it?

It's probably part of the template, which is why we put N/A there instead. Also, sign you comments with four tildes, like this: ~ -- Lapis of the Night  21:24, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Can I add the Christmas mobile Ienzo onto the gallery??? 23:53, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

It's not an official avatar, it's a fan made thing. 00:07, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ultimania Picture
I vaguely recall there being another picture here, in the gallery section, of Ienzo from the Ultimania. Why was it removed? --68.173.84.100 20:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It was redundant to the main image, so it was moved to a gallery. 03:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ohhhh. But, uh, where's the gallery? It isn't showing up here. --68.173.84.100 13:36, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

If the image is "redundant" to the page it should be moved to a gallery page. BTW creating a gallery page to only one image is also redundant--Xabryn 13:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's not. The main article should only contain images that are unique, and illustrate the character and its various forms. The Gallery page should include all distinct, official images of the character. So, if you have an image that can only be put on the Gallery page, you've already got two images you can put there. 17:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So, should I put it back up? --68.173.84.100 18:01, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The Ultimania artwork and the render should be in the gallery, along with any other relevant images we have. The render should be the only image on this page, unless we have other images that can be shown to be necessary yet unique. 07:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. Should I put Terra's Ultimania artwork on his gallery? --68.173.84.100 19:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, any valid images can go in galleries. Basically, as long as it's not a direct duplicate of another image, it's fine. 00:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. It won't count as plagiarism if I get the images from the Wikia wiki and put them here, or would that count? --68.173.84.100 20:11, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You might wanna ask their permission, we've conflicted with them on image-stealing before. 20:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you mean this artwork by any chance? --ShardofTruth 21:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's it. I'm here, and want to add some artwork to the galleries, but some aren't showing up normally, have a weird icon, and say they don't exist. Also, added the Terra artworks to his Gallery (but it isn't on a separate page). --68.173.84.100 02:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Those images have to be on a separate gallery page, because they are redundant to what is already on the page.
 * If they're not showing up correctly, just ping me with the specific images, and I'll fix it.98.223.102.157 03:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I made a blank Gallery page of Terra here Also, what's a "ping"?. --68.173.84.100 04:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This conversation is getting out of hands but we generally don't make blank pages here and making an account here solves the "white image issue" (which will solve itself after some time though). --ShardofTruth 10:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Kana spelling
So, it's come to my attention that the kana of Ienzo's name has been updated from イエンツォ (Ientso) to イェンツォ (Yentso). Notice how the エ kana is smaller? Now, in this cutscene from BBS (around the 0:06 mark), the kana clearly reads the original version with the large エ. But in this video from 3D (around the 25:03 mark), the kana is comparatively smaller than the rest, especially since Even and Aeleus are mentioned, showing the normal-sized kana. Furthermore, these two Ultimania scans show the kana to be smaller. As such, I think we should include both kana versions in the article. Immblueversion (talk) 17:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking at the KHBbS version, the "e" looks smaller in the caption, and doesn't fully stretch to the top, although it's taller than the other half-size kana. The intention seems to have a small "e" there, especially based on the ultimania; it's also what makes sense from the pronunciation. If we need to mention that the BbS version could be read as having a large "e", then I feel it would be most accurate to do a ref note treating it as a typo. 05:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Rough draft

 * Remove speculation
 * Avoid piped links -- html is not meant to be a funny workaround of lucid writing
 * Avoid script regurgitation
 * Use correct tenses
 * Avoid purple prose
 * Brevity is the soul of wit

Ienzo was given a Gummiphone by Chip and Dale, to allow them communication across the worlds. He joins in the first call to Sora's Gummiphone. Seeing how confused Sora is to see him, Ienzo tells him that it's been some time since they met at the castle, mistakenly assuming like members of the first Organization that Sora has Roxas's memories. He tries to get Aeleus to talk to Sora as well, but fails. He explains that he, Aeleus and Dilan have returned to being students of the heart; when they cast off their hearts to become Nobodies, they were being deceived by Xehanort and Xemnas. However, because he mentioned them, Sora jumps to the wrong conclusion that they are still bad guys; though Goofy quickly remembers Axel is their ally now, ending the hostility. Ienzo goes on to explain that Ansem's Code has revealed that Sora's heart doesn't belong to him alone; Sora explains that its likely due to Roxas's heart residing inside of it. Ienzo states the idea has merit as it was amazing enough Roxas could coexist with his original self; he informs Sora that they will use this hypothesis to further their research into Ansem's Code and ends his call. Shortly afterward, Ienzo gets an alert on the computer that says someone is trying to log on using a different computer. He gives Sora a call, learning about the lab Ansem the Wise has in Twilight Town. After helping Pence set up a link to his computer in Radiant Garden, Ienzo begins working to collect the data on Roxas from the other Twilight Town to begin reconstructing his heart.

King Mickey and Riku later visit him to ask about the possibility of using replicas as vessels for the hearts of Roxas and Namine. Ienzo explains that Even is the only one who would have in-depth knowledge of how to create replicas from his time as Vexen; however, he's vanished, with Aeleus and Dilan having no luck finding him. Any documents they have are from well before he made significant progress. Riku immediately guesses that the new Organization may have taken him to use the replicas to fill out their ranks.

Ienzo later calls Sora, revealing the part of Ansem's Code that they've managed to decipher. Ansem the Wise had discovered that not only does Roxas's heart reside within Sora's heart, but two more hearts as well; having just met Vanitas at Monstropolis, Sora knows one is Ventus, but remains clueless about the identity of the third heart.

Despite the progress in reconstructing Roxas's heart from the Twilight Town data, Ienzo is stumped on how to progress any further as without a vessel to place the data in, they are at a standstill. At that moment, Demyx arrives from a dark corridor, carrying something wrapped in a sheet. Ienzo is surprised to see his old comrade from the Organization, who informs him that he's on a top secret special mission; since Demyx is so far off everyone's radar, he can make a very special delivery. To Ienzo's shock, his master Ansem the Wise emerges from the dark corridor. Overwhelmed with emotion, Ienzo tells Ansem that the other apprentices withheld the truth about banishing him to the Realm of Darkness and instead told him that he had gone mad and abandoned them; since he was child, he believed them easily. He apologizes with all his heart, only to be comforted by Ansem, who tells him that so long as he recgonizes his mistake, they can move forward. Demyx interrupts them to reveal that Vexen had given him a blank replica for their use.

Ienzo places Roxas's data inside the replica and sends it to the Keyblade Graveyard mere moments before Xemnas can attempt to kill Xion and Lea.