Talk:Symbols in the Kingdom Hearts series

Should
Should it be "of" or "in"? 21:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, would it perhaps be more legible if the "additional character" and "additional world" symbols were handled in a table? 21:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't answer the first question, I just used the title suggestion you made some hours ago^^. A table has its pros but it would ruin or at least supersede the text. How would you arrange the table? --ShardofTruth 21:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally find "in" has better sound appeal, but both technically work. I would say yes to the table, but if it supersedes the text as Shard stated, then by all means, leave the page as-is. -

I would suggest making it a transparent table, no lines and no background. -- 15:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The table looks good, now to do it for the characters. 10:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Heartless emblem
Okay, chronologically the emblem first appears on the x-blade, and kind of on Vanitas's chest; unless it appears on Hollow Bastion in BbS (can someone check, please). We know that the Organization emblem is from Terra's memories of the Mark of Mastery emblem, so without speculation we can at the very least say that the Heartless emblem is derived from the x-blade Keychain.

Also, I think Roxas's Nobody-thorn cross should be part of the Nobody emblem section, since those thorns are used throughout the various Nobodies and Organization weapons. 14:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I really don't think a black heart with a red outline makes it a heartless emblem. It's got the color-scheme, sure, but that's about it, same goes for vanitas-- 14:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The x-blade Keychain is the "Heartless emblem" without the surrounding thorns and the bottom fleur-de-lis. It's pretty clearly a linked symbol, and chronologically, it appears long before the Heartless emblem. 17:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Maybe you're right Kryten the heart in the keychain is an "incomplete" Heartless emblem but it is highly doubtful that the heartless emblem is based on it considering that neither Master Xehanort nor Terra even got the chance to see it as it was destroyed a short while after its creation

Unknown symbol
Unknown3619 15:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC) Would anyone be so kind as to put the symbol that the Unknown in BBS uses in here some where. i cant do that kind of thing myself but i would love to study the symbol for more clues to his/her identity. Thanks


 * What symbol is that? -- 16:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Unknown3619 16:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC) sorry. Its the one that appers below him/her when he/her uses magic. Its black and looks like a trinity limit symbol.
 * Here you go:
 * [[File:Young Xehanort's Spell Circle KHBBS.png]]
 * I ripped it from the battle effects and even tried to put his ethereal blade together, but that's a lot of work, because the parts are disconnected in the game files. Please link back here if you publish it somewhere else, thanks. --ShardofTruth 00:13, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Unknown3619 15:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC) This is amazing. thanks so much. I cant even say how cool this is. Thanks.
 * Are we gonna add this to the page? 07:11, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Move

 * No, go for it. 15:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Either way works for me... they essentially mean the same thing. 15:32, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Not especially. I think I'll wait for a few more opinions. - 15:34, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm fine with it. -- 00:46, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's also okay with me. -- 11:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Me and my Grammer professer say that in is better Unknown3619 (talk) 20:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Can I say it? "Grammer?" 03:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

SAY IT -- 03:40, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

* Grammar. Moment stolen, Kryten :P And "in" is slightly more appropriate. Both work, but "in" is a bit better.14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Woops.. I didnt notice that... Kind of defeats what I was saying huh? Anyway, as long as no one absolutely hates that idea (I cant see anyone hateing it really) then its ok. Unknown3619 (talk) 15:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Needed?
Do we really need that "Eye of darkness" thing? It seems a bit much for what it's been used for. But that's just my opinion. 97.81.35.41 13:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
 * It's a recurring motif (more than some of the other symbols here) with consistent meaning, and its simpler than listing out each of the ten or so blades it appears on each time we mention it.107.35.212.105 18:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Point taken. But I feel that it's a bit of a nuisance, mostly because it's a bit speculative(though normaly that's something I'm all for). But the question still stands: Is it needed? 97.81.35.41 21:24, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
 * Yes. 21:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

OK. I'm still against the idea, but I'm not gonna put up a fight, unless someone insults me for whatever reason(which I really hate). 97.81.35.41 21:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
 * The KH2 Ultimania uses a major and a minor symbol for each main character, these symbols are not shown here for various reasons. Anyway, besides the blank Heartless symbol a similiar eye is used for Riku, so maybe that makes it a bit less speculative. http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/ShardofTruth/Other%20KH%20stuff/RikuSymbolsmall.png Although I agree this page scraps speculative territory on more than one occasion, mainly because we mostly use fan given names. That's why it should be considered as a collection with real-world references not as something written from an ingame view. --

OK, I'm not against it anymore. I do wish it had a better name though, the current one is a bit iffy. Not that I'm complaining or anything, just saying. 97.81.35.41 22:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
 * It's an eye, and it is associated with darkness. We specifically do not claim that it has an official name. I don't see how anything in that section could be considered speculative. 01:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I meant that the name is a bit simple and isn't going to catch on(at least for me). Hence why I said that I wish it had a better name. Now no more talk about this, I have more important things that require my attention 97.81.35.41 14:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander