Talk:Xemnas

Single format
On the Organization XIII articles, or perhaps even all character articles in general: they really do need to have one single format. For instance, Vexen has an origin section, while everyone else does not. Speaking of, I really think the Organization XIII origins should all just be put in the actual Organization XIII article, or, everyone else can also have an origin section.

But, to get back on track, one single format can make the articles seem more orderly. Thoughts? DannyP 23:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Weaponry
Xemnas' weapon is actually not the red blades. His panel was destroyed, like Zexion, so we don't know what he uses. Plus, the Armored Controller uses a massive halberd. 63.113.61.147


 * Yes it is. Xemnas never even HAD a panel. Xemnas clearly uses Aerial Blades as his primary weapons. And his Armored Version doesn't count, because that's not his natural form and weaponry. Besides, Ultimania states Xemnas' weapon as such. How do you think everyone got the name?


 * Seriously, end of story. DannyP 15:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * (grr, edit conflict) Doesn't he use a big sword when he's all armored up? And I don't think he has a weapon panel... anyway, this is why I think it should have a section link in the infobox that goes to all the weapons he uses.  Sure, his "official" weapon is aerial blades, but the infobox doesn't necessarily need to be an ultimania stats copypaste, if it had a link to relevant info about all the weapons he uses it would still be informative.  I've long stopped reverting by now, but I still don't think it's a sacred thing to have the infoboxes look exactly as Ultimania does., having it say that his weapons vary would be more clear.   Scott  ch  15:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * But the infobox should be a description of Xemnas' natural state...especially when the picture is of his natural state (well, this isn't that serious of a point). What he uses when powered up should be something else entirely. It'd be pretty misleading otherwise. DannyP 15:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the bit about the fact that the pic is him in natural form is a pretty good point :) Makes me a lot more uncomfortable about having "aerial blades" in the infobox, so no more disagreement from me.   Scott  ch  16:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Very well then. I admit defeat. I didn't know what the Ultimania guide said. But Xemnas' panel was smashed.CyberXIII 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't remember him having a panel,are you sure he did?  Scott  ch  18:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Xemnas doesn't have a panel. The closest thing is that barrier preventing you from going any further. DannyP 01:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for all the trouble. I checked again, and DannyP is right. The Superior has no panel.CyberXIII 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Mansex
I'm sorry, but this "observation" is really just juvenile. It makes Xemnas and the content of this article seem a little ridiculous, nor is it really "humorous"--in short, it doesn't really reflect well on the Wiki. I mean, c'mon, are such ridiculous jokes like this actually funny, OR notable? DannyP 22:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't laugh real hard, but it's probably one of the most common fan jokes out there about Org XIII. I question the addition of "Dilan's name anagrams to Linda", having never heard it before, for example, but I hear the mansex one all the time. If nothing else, look how much the Xemnas part of Organization XIII gets vandalized :-) Maybe it would read better if more fan-ish info was added and combined into its own section?  Scott ch  23:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter about how well known it is. It's still really, really juvenile. Adding such things just lessens the quality of the article, in my opinion. But, for its own section, I don't really know. DannyP 21:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I also think we should remove it. Its very immature, not to mention annoying. -- SFH 23:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course I won't go alone against the wishes of two editors, but is not liking something really a good reason to not have it mentioned? I don't particularly like that Zexion and Marluxia got iced before Kingdom Hearts II, but I'm not just going to cut that info out of the articles.  Scott ch  23:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a simple matter of liking, or in this case, not liking, something. For "Mansex", it just really doesn't contribute positively to the article. People are going to see it as really juvenile, and therefore see the article in a worse light. Besides, Marluxia and Zexion's deaths do not parallel the whole thing with "Mansex", because that's in-game information that cannot be argued against. DannyP 04:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

This discussion ended in 2007. you're three years late dude.19:22, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Enigmatic Soldier
What about Xemnas relationship with the ES's ally, Aqua? And let's not forget his resemblance to the ES in his Armoured Controller persona.
 * Aside form him holding her armor in the Room of Sleep, there really is no relationship established yet.  That would probably be best waited out until further info comes out about the who/why/whens of it all. The Patron Saint of Lost Causes 20:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Quotes
I think that Xemnas's quote chart is sort of out of place, compared to the other KHII member's. The Japanese counterparts aren't that important, and if we had that, we might as well put translations of the COM's member's quotes as well. I dunno, the difference between his and the rest of the member's quotes just seems really too... conspicuous IMHO. XienZo 01:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Xemnas:Kingdom Hearts
Do you need any specific stats in kingdom Hearts(1) for Xemnas to appear after defeating Maleficent?I really want to know the answer to this question because when I defeated Maleficent in Kingdom Hearts(1) Xemnas didn't appear and I didn't feel happy at all.
 * He's only in Final Mix. The Hexed
 * ...you'll probably be even more pissed when he totally rapes Sora in the first I dunno..six times? ;)--N/A

About the controlled Nobodies
Xemnas controlls the Dusks, not sorcoress
 * He specifically controls sorcerors, all members control Dusks, with highest priority going to Xemnas. XienZo 02:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD! has any one else realised that Xemas is an annagram for MANSEX!!!! ARGGGHHH!! Anyway, HI!
 * Look up:http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Xemnas#Mansex XienZo 01:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

True emotions
Xemnas is said to be a "Special Nobody" (at least Nomura thinks so. Even the creator doesn't know!) and at the end The Superior joins himself with Kingdom Hearts (whats left of it any way) and I'm betting that "Anger and Hate...are Supreme" comes from experience

if xemnas didn.t gain emotions when he merged with kingdom hearts it never would have.incomplete heart is better than no heart at all

Video removed
The final Xemnas battle was taken down by youtube.

Cosmic colonel 23:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Title
It seems that there is a dispute over whether or "The Superior" is his title or not. Now I've not read the Ultimania, so I can't say whether or not it would be considered his official title, but seeing as it's the only thing close to one that we've heard used, and that it just sounds outright badass, I say we credit it as his title anyway. Adaxredael 22:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

y'know that is his title. and eveytime I add it and it gets removed and replace with "N/A" this is bull crap. don't you think Adaxredael?Eliskuya2 00:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

His official title is," The Superior of the In-Between", officially.--[User:Xienzo|Xienzo] 05:50, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Well what I'm thinking is that if Urutapu, or anyone else for that matter, can give the source in the Ultimania where it states that Xemnas has no title, than it can be stated in the article that he has no title. However, I do think that in the character template his title should be given as "The Superior", if only to keep to form. Adaxredael 03:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * bangs head on PC* there is nothing from Ultimania saying he haves a title. its just a fake thing to do it. just put "N/A" its spam. from Urutapu anyway you can changed his title back if you like amigoEliskuya2 04:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

thanks troisnyxet. you are a handful with friendship :)Eliskuya2 04:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Huzzah, I return and this is all cleared up. Sorry if I dragged the issue out too much, guess i was just trying to please everyone. And yeah, I think the issue stems from the fact that the Ultimania doesn't have a title with his name on the character page, so as far as I'm concerned (and it appears others are as well) "The Superior" might as well be his title. Hell, it's not like we have adhere to every line of the Ultimania's. Adaxredael 05:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

It's in the opening video for 358/2 Days.—Urutapu 06:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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True Intentions?
"I'm creating a brand new world,one heart at a time"

"nothingness is eternal"

"Hear me, Kingdom hearts!It seem we must begin anew.Ah,but know this:I will give to you as many hearts as it takes.Mark my words!You can no more be complete without me than I without you.Heed me, Kingdom hearts!Lend me your power so that we may be complete!The power to erase the fools that hinder us...Hearts quivering with Hatred...Hearts burning with Rage...Hearts scarred by Envy... (what a talker...)

"that fool Ansem said that the heart's true nature was beyond his understanding,but It's not beyond mine!Hearts are the source of all Power!"

"Anger and hate...are supreme"

Good points but i think the key quotes here are Xemnas:"Hearts are the source of all power" and Sora:"there's more to a heart than just anger and hate". In xemnas' mind, Hearts=power and Anger+Hate=Heart.

days and some nomura's interviews make all this clearer

First and last
Anyone find it odd that not only Xemnas was the first and final member to fought, but he was also the first and last Organization member to be revealed. He was the first to appear onscreen but the last to unveil his identity. Kaihedgie 04:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Xemnas first appeared in Kingdom Heats Final Mix, which was released two years before Chain of Memories. Kaihedgie 06:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Dude. Do you really expect anyone to read your comments when your text is yellow on white, of all things?—Urutapu 06:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Unnecessary Roughness
Trivia Snip: "...In the short cut-scene just after the laser dome attack Sora uses his and Riku's Keyblades in unison to snap Xemnas' spine and then impale his chest with a beam of light. However when the cut-scene ends Xemnas is still shown to be (barely) alive."

A lot of this piece of "trivia" is erroneous and more graphic than the truth of it really is. A beam of Light pierces him, he reels from it, and slowly disappates like the other Organization members did. Claiming it "snaps his spine and impales his chest" is both an incorrect retelling of the events and unnecessarily graphic, isn't it? Can someone edit this to make it more factual?203.205.125.204 13:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but Xemnas also gave Riku a few slugs across the jaw, which could have very likely broken it. No one says jack about that. Why? Because there's no proof. Xemnas, Riku, and Sora, all beat the tar out of one another the entire fight. Stating that Xemnas' spine was "snapped" and he was "impaled" implicate a lot of highly debatable context, and I for one didn't hear the sound effect of a bone breaking. In reality, all we know is that Sora laid up on him, and he and Riku shot Xemnas with a piercing burst of Light. Why add in details which only paint a violent picture when one isn't necessary, or confirmed to have happened? Facts over speculation, says I. 203.105.95.93 08:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Can Nobodies (or any disney character) be said to have spines?

you haven't watched many disney cartoons lately have you?

I'm just saying that a lot of things happen in disney that isn't technically anatomically, or physically correct.whether or not they possess said organ isn't so much the issue as whether said organ would react the same to being whaled on, as in real life, as opposed to just being something for the moment(a disney character can be nearly catatonic one moment and standing as if it never hapened, the next.)

Actually, anon brings up a good point. Heartless and Nobodies already lack body parts, either physical or metaphorically. How are we to know that Nobodies aren't simply made of lingering sentiments of their original individuals and a whole lotta living Nothingness? There's nothing that says their are physically human under the skin.203.105.95.93 06:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I got really annoyed fighting Xemnas. You fight him twice, then twice again as armour, then as a dragon. Why can't he just die?(Bananaphone1996 21:07, April 15, 2010 (UTC))

What happened?
What happened to Xemnas' original title: The Superior?Winxfan1 16:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

Well, my fellow anon, it appears that the japanese version of Days puts his title as this.(Fifty digital bucks says the English localization puts us right back to the superior.)

What's an anon?Winxfan1 16:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

it's someone who isn't registered to a wiki. I guess I wasn't paying attention when I made that post >_>.

Thank you. Winxfan1 17:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1
 * Anons, like I've said repeatedly (don't think I'm mad at you, since you probably wouldn't have seen it), "Superior" is simply a term of respect. Not his title.—Urutapu 01:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, the english localization might put us right back to where we started. (alternative theory: who cares?)
 * ...why would it do that?—Urutapu 13:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

why wouldn't it?(and when hasn't it?)
 * Because Square is one of the few companies you can count on for real quality localization (they also have Disney backing them, which is probably the reason we get real actors to do the voice track). And it's a very stupid assumption to make that they would cut three words from an FMV.—Urutapu 13:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

consider your stupid assumption a fact.

Bodyguard
I have noticed a small edit war going on over the idea of Saix & Xigbar or Luxord being bodyguards to Xemnas the edit that keeps happening is between the three pages and always states Saix to be one, but keeps changing to Luxord or Xigbar being the other. Now two things id like answered where does it actually state any of them are bodyguards to Xemnas ? (As much as i love Saix & Luxord if they are there not that good at it) I mean i remember them appearing in Yen Sids tower but i dont remember him actually saying "Oh these are his bodyguards, id show you the rest but im to old to remember" The otheer simply being if they are, who is the right pair ?—Ximodnic 19:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I completely agree i mean it was most likely that some of the members were indeed bodygaurds, or atleast along those lines/did it anyway. I would just like to know why it keeps reappering ? i mean if i was Xemnas (oh how i wish) id probally consider better ones, i mean Xigbars a good choice and maybe Xaldin., coz lets face it as much as Luxord and Saix are my favourtie members.......not the worlds best bodyguards.?—Ximodnic 19:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The proper two, as shown by Yen Sid, are Saix and Xigbar. You can tell by their stances and how their robes are shaped. Luxord, while a high-ranking member, wasn't shown to be his "bodyguard", though he did last longer than Xigbar in the timeline of events.203.105.95.93 08:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok ill accept that because you can tell by there stances but where does it actually say there his bodyguards, i mean it might look like that but at no point does anyone says "Oh yeah these two are my bodyguards, the others just kinda follow me around"?—Ximodnic 15:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

...Okay, there is absolutly no way you could know what their "jobs" were at the castle, though Siax does clearly seem to be second-in-command. I think that they were all there because they had to defend the casle from Sora and company, not because they were doing their jobs. And even if those were their jobs, it makes no sense to even have the role of chief-of-security for a place that'd never been invaded before Sora came there, and I can't honestly expect Xemnas to allow Xigbar, or anyone a break, especially when their home is being attacked by the only beings that pose a threat to them. Plus, they can't be his actual bodyguards, since they were all sent out on missions away from the castle at one time or another (Luxord at Port Royal, Siax chasing Kairi around and appearing before Sora at Twilight Town, and Xigbar going to the Land of Dragons). Also, anyone else find it interesting how the two other Organization members shown next to Xemnas at Yen Sid's tower are the (presumebly) second-in-command and the member that is the actual number two? I'm guessing that Xemnas must have assigned the origonal six numbers intentionally, and Xigbar was his second-in-command way back when. Then Siax came along, the first nobody to join them that wasn't in that origonal accident, and Xemnas thought him to be more capible than Xigbar. That's my guess, anyway. And if you don't agree with me, I'll just give you blunt trauma through the use of a giant key until the concussion convinces you that I am right. Of course, no matter whether I am right or not, we can't put that speculation into the article, but at least it'll give the people looking at the discusion page some solace. 69.205.62.182 18:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)The soon-to-be member that as of yet still lacks a name

Really though, we can only speculate what the Organization was doing in their free time, thier jobs, everything. Perhaps the upcomming 358/2 Days cold fill out some info. I guess we'll just have to wait until it comes out. Keyblade Mage 12:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

I don’t think its entirely untrue that the members have jobs alongside there duties. I mean would you trusts Dusk’s to run that massive castle. Though that did just give me the amusing image of Luxord doing paper work while Axel flicks paper clips at him. Funnily I do agree with you, unnamed man that Xigbar very well could have been Second in command until Saix appeared but I’ve always thought Xaldin kept a high rank. I mean Xigbar bickers with others, not exactly something you’d want your 2nd to be doing whereas Xaldin throws his Lance at Axel for not following orders, pretty high ranking if you ask me maybe 3rd behind Saix?—Ximodnic 14:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Its worrying how much we agree Flashpenny, Zexion to me along with Saix, Xaldin & Luxord is one of Xemna’s most trusted. I belive if it had not been for Axel (in Re:Com) he would still have been alive to have met and fought Sora. I mean he out lives Marluxia who was lets face it the main villain of that series and clearly didn’t fear Xemnas as much as Vexen did which probably should he was closer to him. As far as the actual point of this (long ago) it seems to have been resolved and now just mentions about who appeared besides him, I is happy.—Ximodnic 17:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Xemnas's age
Xemnas isn't the oldest in Organization 13, Vexen is,Which is clarified in the Chain Of Memories Manga,Plus It's said that Zexion's the youngest apprentice, and Saix is older than him. Going by what was said in Personaliy,your saying Zexion is older than Saix.

I think your misreading or it isn’t made clear that he is the oldest NOBODY the chances are he was the first to be turned into one given his role as head of Organisation, not the oldest in terms of age.Same with Zexion, Zexion being an original apprentice is likely to have become a nobody before Saix, Same way Luxord is probably older than Axel or Demyx but became a nobody after them, so Axel is an older nobody than Luxord (This all assuming they became nobodies at different times of course) A last point is that the Manga isn’t as canon as you should take it, I mean Marluxia is only battled once and Larxene wasn’t defeated in that way. Also as a side note *not just to you* someone now keeps changing Xemnas personality back and forth, can people please discuss a change before starting an edit war. >:( —Ximodnic 14:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

In the new Nomura interview he says that Xemnas looks about 30.--74.210.24.180 04:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Physically, yeah, but Nobodies don't age.  Lapis Scarab  03:26, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Holding back?
I noticed that Xemnas was seemingly goin' all out on Sora in Final Mix, usin' all kinds of crazy attacks, but in KHII, he only ever attacks with his aerial blades in his normal form.

Also, what's this talk of Infinity providing an ability? Kaihedgie 01:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Infinity is the only pair of aerial blades in 358/2 Days that has an ability attached to it.—Urutapu 02:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

And that ability is...? Kaihedgie 03:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ...are you too lazy to click a link? I'm not justifying you with an answer.—Urutapu 05:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

You don't need to be rude about it. Some of us don't even have the game nor can some of us read Japanese not to mention no actual article was written about it. And when you say 'I won' justify you with an answer', it makes you seem like a dork.Kaihedgie 06:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's Risky Combo. Glorious  CHAOS!  12:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I know what it's called, I just don't know what it does. Kaihedgie 13:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Title translation
After looking through some Re:COM cutscenes, I've realized that the Japanese word that got translated as "the Superior" was "Shidōsha" (which is "Guide" here). Do you guys think the translation should be adjusted? "Superior of the In-Between" or something?—Urutapu 19:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

English weapon name
It's "Ethereal Blades". Conveys the meaning a lot better, methinks. Plackers 11:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Further up on the page, other users reference the official guide. I don't have it, but if the english version of the guide says "Aerial Blades", then we should use Aerial Blades.


 * We use the newest English information. The English Days demo is a lot newer and a lot more English than the Japanese-only Ultimania guide from 2006.—Urutapu 20:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair enough.

Edit Wars
Speaking of Edit Wars, or rather, what happens as a result of Edit Wars, is there a reason why the page is locked from Editing? See, I wanted to add something into the trivia section about how one of Xemnas' Stock Arts has a similar pose to SSJ Broly in "Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan".


 * Purely speculation, and anyway, generally speaking, we don't include references to other series in the wiki (save for those of Disney and Final Fantasy, for obvious reasons). LapisScarab 05:31, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

um is it me?

 * No, there's only 10, but I think I know why you thought there were 11. Check again, and look at where the quotation marks begin and end carefully. LapisScarab 05:19, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

I am curious....
Of why 2 edits I made in the trivia were removed by the member known as KrytenKoro. I did not post nothing troublesome, but rather describing Xemnas a bit.
 * One of them was pure speculation (least emotional), especially given his penchant for melodrama. Compare him to Luxord, Marluxia, Saix, Xaldin, Lexaeus...pretty much anyone but Roxas, Larxene, Axel, and Vexen.
 * The other was false. The origin of his name is from "Ansem", nothing more. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:44, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmmmm, well so far all the people I've talked to related to Xemnas told me that they thought the same, because given your examples, Luxord is "cheerful" and loves to play, so he is basically "happy" all the time. Marluxia is sadistic, Saix goes berserk, thus he feels anger, Xaldin is also incredibly sadistic. Lexaeus well, there I may agree with you.
 * Well yeah Xemnas name comes from Ansem, which at the same time is an anagram of names, and Xemnas renames the members, I think it is way too much of a coincidence to do not be added.
 * Going berserk is not emotional. It's purely a mental state, and is more closely related to "feeling no pain". Furthermore, Xemnas loves him some melodrama.
 * The origin of his name is "Ansem". We're not doing stupid speculation, especially if it relies on further speculation for evidence (we have no proof that Xemnas names all of them, just Roxas). Glorious  CHAOS!  04:55, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Mental state, eh? Ok, you do have a point there.
 * Well yeah we only see him renaming Roxas, nonetheless Xemnas is the real founder of the organization and its leader as well, and he himself changing the names (well in this case of Roxas) is still a bit much of a coincidence don't you think?

Wait, he name's the members himself, doesn't he?--[User:Xienzo|Xienzo] 05:51, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't Nomura state in an interview that chronologically Xemnas is the strongest character in the Kingdom Hearts universe? Shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere?

Nomura has confirmed that Xemnas was the strongest member of the Organization, which is noted. He said nothing about Xemnas being the strongest in the KH universe. LapisScarab 23:14, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Appearance
Is there any reason Xemnas' Appearance section is before his story while every other character on the wiki has it the other way around?--Randomnessity 22:02, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * My brain failed when I wrote the section. Feel free to move it. Lapis Scarab  08:51, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Tried that a few weeks ago. They thought I deleted it. Which I didnt.--Randomnessity 21:00, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I took care of it, and clarified my actions in the summary. It shouldn't get reverted. Lapis Scarab  21:18, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Cool. For some reason that was bugging me.--Randomnessity 21:27, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia edit request.
One of the items listed in the trivia cites that Yen Sid shows Luxord, Xemnas and Saix as the presented Nobodies. It's actually, and obviously, Xigbar, Xemnas and Saix.203.105.95.93 11:04, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yep. Definitely Xigbar.--Randomnessity 20:59, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Lapis. All the Organization members have a unique robe/posture/stance while idle. Xigbar's cloak has broader shoulders and tighter sleeves, Saix and Luxord both have standard cloaks, but different postures; Saix has a bit of a predatory haunch-forward, while Luxord stands taller, head back a bit.

And Maggosh, I know it's the internet and all, but you really need to be less of a prick.203.105.95.93 11:11, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

A keyblade master??
Hello everybody, I haven't edited here ever but I'm administrator from the spanish version of this wiki and I have a question.

Everybody knows that Roxas is Sora's nobody and that is why Roxas can handle the keyblade (at this point most of yu know my question already for sure :P)

So, we have seen recently that Master Xehanort (a keyblade master) took Terra's body (another keyblade master) and we see how the new Xehanort in Terra's body fights Terra's armor. So with all this we have that Xehanort can use the keyblade when he is in Terra's body. My question: Is Xemnas able to use the keyblade then as a nobody of a keyblade master?

The answer is obviously that he can't, otherwise he wouldn't have used Roxas or Xion to use the keyblade so, why isn't he able to use the keyblade?? PaS NaS 16:59, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sora, Vanitas, Roxas, Ventus
In the battle against him on Final Mix, he says to Sora "He looks just like you" and he also says to Roxas "He looks a lot like you". We thought that he said that Sora looks like Roxas, but they do not look like each other. Now with BBS we know more about Xemnas. Isn't it possible that he said that Sora looked like Vanitas and Roxas looked like Ventus?Redeemer &amp; Destroyer 21:28, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

There's no proof Xehanort/Xemnas was involved in BBS so it isn't possible to say, Atleast not now. 108.1.78.29 00:19, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Do you know anything about BBS?Redeemer &amp; Destroyer 20:46, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

"I've been to see him. He looks a lot like you." Xemnas to Roxas at the Dark Margin 97.81.45.56 01:39, 8 February 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

Come to think of it
The sole reason Terra/Xehanort was evil is because Master Xehanort's heart was possessing him. With MX's heart no longer controlliing him, shouldn't Terra, as Xemnas, have been good? What's up with that? 24.165.55.99 00:29, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, MX's Soul also possessed Terra, and a Soul controls the Body of a Nobody, so...

Tamroc7 01:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC)Tamroc7

Wait so i'm confused. XEMNAS= eraqus+xehanort+terra right? since we found out master eraquas passed his heart onto terra? so he has 3 keyblade weilders body,mind, and soul? but still cant weild the keyblade????

Xemnas and Roxas

 * Seems like it, but Terra lost his body before he could see Ven lose his heart, and even after when the new Xehanort met Aqua, the latter nerver mentioned Ven to him. Either Xemnas was able to come to the conclusion of Ven's fate or there is a slight plot hole. --Evnyofdeath 00:54, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Consumed By Darkness
Is it possible that due to the possession of Master Xehanort, and the locking of Xehanort's heart, master Xehanort's personality completely overwhelmed Terra's, essentailly turning what rightfully should have been Terra's nobody into Xehanort's nobody? And shouldn't Eraqus and master Xehanort both be nobodies? after all, both dissoved into the "I lost my heart" sparkles. Dragonraptyr 04:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Desperation attack
What is said for his D.A... is it true? I thought it was "Can you spare a heart?"Lord Captain Cecil Harvey 01:49, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that counts as his Desperation Attack. He does say that during that specific attack where you have an opportunity to play as Riku, but still. His real Desperation Attack, I believe is his Final Attack, where he summons those laser-like projectiles and attacks Sora and Riku with them, where he says "There's no such thing as light". Hyper Zander 11:56, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Powers
When does he uses Roxas's power over light?Innosense 02:02, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

random
just a random thought does anyone know that if you rearrange XEMNAS's name it becomes " MAN SEX "

Everyone's known that for, like, four years now. maggosh 11:10, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I did not know that. That is disgusting.--Auror. plus the great Andrachome 11:26, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura's a sick sick person.Lying Memories 18:46, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

No, actually, the people who came up with that anagram are sick, sick people. Nomura had nothing to do with it. maggosh 18:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I was just joking dude haha chill out.Lying Memories 19:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

"Just call me Raxert"
Since we now know that "Xehanort" is actually Terra, albeit infected by Master Xehanort, doesn't that technically mean that Xemnas is composed of Terra's body and soul, and is therefore Terra's Nobody?

I personally don't think that it's Terra's body and soul. The body part is kind of feasable (If that's how it's spelt), but Terra's soul, as far as I remember from what I read, was transferred into Terra's Armour which then became the Lingering Sentiment. I suppose he could be Terra's Nobody, but seeing as Master Xehanort was in control of the body at the time his Heartless and Nobody were created, and he was going under the name Xehanort (Or Ansem, as his alias, I expect, would have been at the time of Xemnas' creation), I doubt he is. Hyper Zander 17:05, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Imposter?
Even though he does resemble Xemnas quite strongly through his battle stance (Very slightly), his blue Ethereal Blade... things, and the brief attack movements we saw in the trailer, we don't know if it is a Xemnas imposter. Heck, we don't even know if he's even a Org. XIII member. After all, I don't think the Organization even existed at this time, and they aren't the only ones to wear the Black Coats, as even Master Xehanort would wear one at the time (as seen at the start of BbS). Hyper Zander 22:21, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Who is that? The person above me mentions a trailer, but which one? --Evnyofdeath 23:03, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

We talked in other Forums a lot about him, and finally, we think he's the nobody of MX. Zyrax 00:22, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone notice the Unversed symbols on his hand? It's most like (I.M.O.) That Xemnas is Terra's body with MX's memory, so this guy is the opposite, just with the same powers.

It's not Xemnas, but he looks just like xemnas and fights like him. (similar too roxas/Sora/ven) Think about it. He has same fighting style, same weapons but different color, can duplicate himself. The only villians who can ake full copies of themselves are larxene and Xemnas. my theory it's Master Xehanorts unbirth before he became Ansem the SoD.
 * What fighting style have we seen? And his weapons have a different shape, too. Glorious  CHAOS!  02:47, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Keyblade?
Is it just me or.... should Xemnas have a Keyblade, seeing as Terra is his somebody and Xemnas got back all of his memories, as Terra, Xehanort and Master Xehanort. or he can't because he needs to have Terra's Soul, which resides in Lingering Sentiment? Anybody have a good theory?--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 22:42, July 5, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

A talk page isn't a place for you to put theories. It's supposed to be about improving the article. Make a forum if you want theories.22:46, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, i got confused seeing how im not on this site too much and people are always posting theories on the Talk Pages.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 22:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Fair enough. That's something we're trying to keep in check by moving unnecessary sections to forums.22:56, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

weapon confusion
many people get confused between a lightsaber and his weapon in fact i went on google images and typed darth vader vs xennmas and it showed pics on vader vs xennmas but it wasnt a lighsaber it's an ethreal blade thats why riku wasnt disected.{go to my talk page to see many poles}65.32.75.73 22:43, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Appearance V2
First of all, his hairstyle does not resemble Xehanort's more than "Ansem"'s resembles Xehanort's. If you take a look at the two parts of Xemnas' and Ansem's somebody (Terra and Master Xehanort), Xemnas obviously looks more like Terra...His hair is layered like Terra and the hair comes around his face like Terra. Now, I know they are not exactly the same hairstyles, but come on, Xemnas looks much more like Terra than Xehanort. On the other side, Ansem obviously looks more like a young MX (his hairstyle at least...that includes Xehanort's hairstyle which is the EXACT same as Ansem, save the spike on Xehanort's head and the bangs, which obviously are derived from partly from Terra and a young MX) than he does Terra. Both Xemnas' and Ansem's appearance sections should really be changed, or just have the mention of resemblance to other characters removed, unless some one has a good citation. Because, otherwise it's just speculation and biased opinions. I don't want to get in an "edit war" with anyone so I won't change the pages, I just can't see how you can look at Xemnas' hair style and thing Xehanort over Terra. Can someone please weigh in on the subject? 04:34, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's too subjective. Honestly I see Xehanort, not Terra. Terra just doesn't have the same bangs. But agreed; too subjective to draw fair comparisons in the articles. So x ra  ]] 04:44, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

correction
terra and master xehanort were the two FORMS that made his original persona: this goal stems for one of his original forms, master xehanort and change the section title of coded into Re:coded, thanks.

Heart?
When Sora became a nobody, Roxas kept Ventus' heart. So is there a possibility that Xemnas kept the heart of Terra or Eraqus? Light Roxas  22:20, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

No because you are missing the point.Its because Vens heart was with Soras thats why when he became a heartless is moved on to Roxas.That explains his emotions and why he looks like him.As for Xemnas he has the soul and the body of Terra.But he has no heart.He already said it and even shown he feels no emotion.He has no heart at all.Ok Terras heart and Eraqus heart are somewhere in the darkness.While Ansem has MXs heart.That explains why is wearing the same outfit as MX.MXs heart took over Terras body and soul.So when Terra plunged himself he destroyed his own heart and Eraqus.But Mxs heart still stayed within him.Seen how his heartless looks like MX and acts a whole lot like him.So heres what you get: Terra = His Body Soul and Heart(MX And Eraqus). New Xeahnort = Terras Soul body and MXs heart. Ansem seeker of darkness = MXs Heart gobbled in Darkness Xemnas = Terras Soul and Body Lingering Sentinent = Terras mind and emotions.As Stated by MX Your body is mine but why does your mind resist?Also seeing it has emotions and memories. 21:53, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Dream Drop Distance Appearance
I'm really surprised that nobody has added that he is in KH3D's trailer. I would but I don't have an account and don't want one right now. So someone should put that Sora faces Xemnas in Traverse town according to Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance's trailer. Also someone might want to add this to Ansem, Seeker of Darkness's page with Riku instead of Sora, and Xemnas with his Heartless counterpart. Just throwing that out there. 108.9.87.252 22:36, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Source?
We need the source for this line: "A screenshot from the March 22, 2012 issue of Famitsu suggests that Xemnas will serve as a boss for Sora." Uxie   Lover   1994  08:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Terra-Xehanort
Since it is stated in DDD that Xemnas has a piece of Master Xehanort's heart inside him, that technically means that he is still Terranort, since thay are both Terra's body + Xehanort's heart.
 * Except Terra-Xehanort contains also Terra's heart, as well, and it does not state that for Xemnas, only for the other members. 06:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually they do state that Xemnas in DDD carries a piece of Xehanort's heart, as he is one of the 13, but your right, Terranort also carries Terra's heart and Eraqus' heart...
 * Yeah, I think the anon is right - I'm pretty sure Xemnas says he had a heart the entire time. 20:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Each individual was different, but some of us had hearts being born inside us." is not the same as "All of us had a piece of Xehanort's heart." They do say "All of them...Xehanort?", but since Xemnas would already be Xehanort...yeah. 03:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually it is mentioned that they need 13 Hearts of Darkness and Xemnas is one of them, meaning he has a heart P.S. i do have an account I just forgot the password.
 * So should we fuse Xemnas and Terranort?
 * Fusion would be way too far. They are separate characters, and Xemnas is still Xemnas regardless of whether he has a heart currently, has always had a heart, or is completely devoid of any heart. He lacks the hearts of Terra and Eraqus, so he is not Terra-Xehanort, no doubt about it. 19:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Gallery or Forms
In my opinion, the section called Gallery should not be called so. We already have a page named Gallery:Xemnas, so that section on the main Xemnas page is unneeded. What the section actually should be called is Forms, seeing as it shows Xemnas in two different forms. This should go for many other pages as well. - JTD95 11:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

DDD glitch - has anyone else seen this!?
Ok this is crazy. So I was fighting Xemnas in DDD, and he fell off of the building past the invisible barrier, about a minute passed, then he respawned or something at the top, and fell back down onto the building. Has anyone else ever encountered this bug? 166.137.88.17 22:54, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I have, yeah, but it was a long time ago. 23:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Transcription of Princesses' comments before Unknown fight
If anybody cares. Pink Agaricus (talk) 09:51, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Jasmine: "We could suppress the power if it were the darkness. But this is different. It's a force unlike the darkness..."
 * Snow White: "There's an ominous presence beyond the gate.
 * Alice: "What is this feeling? It's different from the darkness... Be careful, Sora!"
 * Cinderella: "Could the appearance of that gate be a bad omen?"
 * Aurora: "I sense a presence coming from that gate... But it's not the darkness. It's another power altogether."

All-Vanity
is based on Omnia Vanitas, "All is vanity", from Ecclesiastes. Should probably be mentioned somewhere, like etymology.

That's fine.-- 21:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Keyblade Armor
Xemnas uses Keyblade Armor in KH2. Doesn't that confirm that he has the ability to wield a Keyblade? --Elfdemon (talk) 10:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Has it ever been called Keyblade Armor? I think it's just regular armor. 22:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * When was it ever said that you need a Keyblade to wear Keyblade Armor? Far as I can tell, it just seems like an accessory. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 04:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Was it not Xemnas' Keyblade Armor? Looks exactly like it, so I always assumed that it was. --Elfdemon (talk) 23:45, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not explicitly called Keyblade Armor, so we can't make that claim. It's pretty clear it is, though. 01:31, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Source?
What's the source for this information?: "and retreats into the broken Kingdom Hearts", "Xemnas's "The World of Nothing", a pocket dimension presided over by a massive, weaponized construct which has absorbed the remainder of The World That Never Was." --Elfdemon (talk) 07:43, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "The World of Nothing" is the name of the set of rooms in which the final battle with Xemnas takes place. It's in the game-coding, but only visible by using a room-mod code. That the dragon has abosrbed the rest of TWTNW is based on the visuals of the battle, where the dragon and its base are made of Dark City/TCTNW. 15:00, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * What's the source for Xemnas retreating into the broken Kingdom Hearts and what's the source for it being a pocket dimension? --Elfdemon (talk) 22:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "Mickey: Kingdom Hearts... / Riku: Let's go. Xemnas must be inside." Key word being "inside", not "on the other side". 00:22, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure they were just talking about inside the door, not inside Kingdom Hearts. I've never heard someone say "let's go to the other side of that door", I've only heard people say "let's go inside that door". I guess you can interpret it either way, but I don't quite see how "Let's go. Xemnas must be inside" equals "Xemnas has gone inside his Kingdom Hearts which is inside a pocket dimension." --Elfdemon (talk) 01:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've heard "let's go through the door", not "inside" it. The game itself says "The Final Door: Xemnas, the last member of Organization XIII, vanished through

the final door". In addition, when they defeat Xemnas on the other side of the door, they reappear back outside the door, where they started, which wouldn't make a ton of sense if they had simply gone to a different location and would, presumably, not get automatically cast back through the door if it was just a regular physical place -- when Sora went through the door at the end of End of the World, which took him to a different location, and that world collapsed, he ended up in a new place close to the collapsed location, rather than being cast back through the door. The fact that it's called "inside", and that they are expelled after Xemnas is weakened, strongly implies it's an inner world created by Xemnas -- just like TWTNW was in the first place, or what they do in KH3D with the nesting TWTNW dreams.
 * It makes more sense if it's an inner world, similar to the Dive to the Heart, whose "physical" location is inside the Kingdom Hearts that Xemnas merged with. 02:34, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Title
Just for posterity, KHUX has made "Superior of the In-Between" the official, complete title. It's no longer just our translation. 15:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It's been official since Days 1.5 opening...  Ultima Spark   (talk)  Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png 16:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, well then fuck me. LOL. 17:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Gazing Eye
Well, we finally have a good reason why Terra-Xehanort may have purposefully chosen not to summon his Keyblade, given it has the Gazing Eye on it. 18:36, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it relates. Like, what does the Master of Masters being able to foresee affect? Xemnas would have no reason to fear him, since he wouldn't even have a reason to assume he's alive. Also, Nomura confirmed on January 12's Famitsu that the Master of Masters won't be in KHIII (or even KHUX season 2. We'll probably only see him again in the next saga, as there's hints KHUX will connect to it somehow unless Nomura wants to make him a perpetual mystery), so I'm not really sure if that being the reason would actually affect the plot in any way.
 * The most accepted theory I've seen is that Xemnas had to hide he was a Keyblade wielder from the Organization, or else they would question why they needed 13 members and the last one had to be a wielder if Xemnas could simply complete Kingdom Hearts by himself. 02:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If Terra was aware of the purpose of the eye, he may have tried to suppress its use -- or maybe Xehanort himself is rebelling against the Master in some ways. However, that's just a theory I've seen making the rounds. 13:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Xehanort's Soul
It took Ansem and Xemnas being destroyed for Master Xehanort to be re-completed, Xemnas would only be needed for the re-completion if he possessed one of Xehanort's attributes, Ansem had the heart and Xemnas had Terra's body, not Xehanort's, so Xemnas must possess Xehanort's soul. Thus, Xemnas having Xehanort's soul should be on the page I feel. --Vanitas (talk) 19:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I get where you're coming from but adding that would be speculation as it's not confirmed. Souls also isn't really a thing in KH. -