Talk:Symbols in the Kingdom Hearts series

Should
Should it be "of" or "in"? 21:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, would it perhaps be more legible if the "additional character" and "additional world" symbols were handled in a table? 21:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't answer the first question, I just used the title suggestion you made some hours ago^^. A table has its pros but it would ruin or at least supersede the text. How would you arrange the table? --ShardofTruth 21:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally find "in" has better sound appeal, but both technically work. I would say yes to the table, but if it supersedes the text as Shard stated, then by all means, leave the page as-is. -

I would suggest making it a transparent table, no lines and no background. -- 15:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Heartless emblem
Okay, chronologically the emblem first appears on the x-blade, and kind of on Vanitas's chest; unless it appears on Hollow Bastion in BbS (can someone check, please). We know that the Organization emblem is from Terra's memories of the Mark of Mastery emblem, so without speculation we can at the very least say that the Heartless emblem is derived from the x-blade Keychain.

Also, I think Roxas's Nobody-thorn cross should be part of the Nobody emblem section, since those thorns are used throughout the various Nobodies and Organization weapons. 14:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I really don't think a black heart with a red outline makes it a heartless emblem. It's got the color-scheme, sure, but that's about it, same goes for vanitas-- 14:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The x-blade Keychain is the "Heartless emblem" without the surrounding thorns and the bottom fleur-de-lis. It's pretty clearly a linked symbol, and chronologically, it appears long before the Heartless emblem. 17:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Maybe you're Kryten the heart in the keychain is an "incomplete" Heartless emblem but it is highly doubtful that the heartless emblem is based on it considering that neither Master Xehanort nor Terra even got the chance to see it as it was destroyed a short while after its creation