Talk:Princesses of Heart

Aqua
It seems someone has edited in Aqua as a Princess of Heart. Since virtually nothing has been released on either her regarding this, or the BbS trio's quest regarding them, I move for deleting said info?

Also, I took it upon myself to remove a piece of "Trivia" citing that Xion was a Princess as well. It just seemed silly to list a Trivia fact on the page when it is complete speculation. Opinion =/= Trivia, correct? 99.174.173.61 18:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I would say Xion being a Princess of Heart is not even close to fact given that Xion has no heart, and there are only seven Princesses and we know who all of them are.That Kid Again 00:03, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Radiant Garden
If Ansem the Wise is the leader of Radiant Garden before Xehanort's Heartless took over, and the Princesses of Heart were born there, wouldn't that make Ansem their father? Adam148 17:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that they were just special girls, born in Radiant Gardens that Ansem the Wise discovered during his experiments. He never makes mention of them, at least to my knowledge, as being his daughters.The light in darkness 9:06, 19 December 2008

Hi...

Mulan
Sorry, but is Mulan really a Princess? I thought, she´s just the daughter of the Fa Clans Leader (I forgot his name...).

Mulan's Father's Name
His name is Fa Zhu.

Generations?
Is it possible that the powers of the Princesses of Heart are passed down from generation to generation?

I think it's possible that the powers are passed down because Alice probably wasn't around during Birth By Sleep, and that was when the hunt started. So someone had to be the princess of heart before Alice.--PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart 16:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, maybe it is random. But who knows? Maybe it will be explained in Birth by Sleep, or possibly Kingdom Hearts Coded. . .--PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart 20:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that their status as Princesses of Heart may be tied with their youth. When one Princess grows too old or dies, a newborn would then be born without darkness. The writers could use this to explain many things. I mean, would Maleficent risk losing a pure heart simply because the Princess grew too old? As said before, would Master Xehanort start the hunt without sufficent knowledge of what the Princesses can do and how many there were? HealerSpirit 13:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The Princess can't have darkness in her heart.So I think as long there are 7 princess alive, even if another girl is born with no darkness she won't become a princess (like wendy), but if one dies a newborn girl with no darkness (which is a rare event) will become a princess.

Snow White? WTH!
No one's going to think less of you for saying "what the hell" (whether you actually meant it or not). Don't worry about it.—Urutapu 22:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

theroy
i belive that the 4 princesses are tied to there worlds time and when there world is destroyed there ageing prosess stops and the stay the same age until the world is restored--Joekeybladeaura 17:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

There must be a fine line between coincidence and irony

 * Isn't it weird most of Disney's movies are musicals?—Urutapu 21:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you missed the point of my post...—Urutapu 20:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The number of Seven
For years I've always heard of seven princesses on different themes.


 * 1) Seven Mermaid Princesses (Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch)
 * 2) Seven Martial Arts Princesses from a Chinese movie
 * 3) Seven Fairy Princesses of the Ancient Chinese mythology
 * 4) Seven Mermaid Princesses of Atlantica (The Little Mermaid)
 * 5) Seven Princesses (Kilala Princes)

etc

I'm really curious. How come there are always seven and they are always princesses?

--Charmed-Jay 10:03, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Seven has been considered magical/lucky for like a million years.
 * Everything's better with princesses. (And nowadays, at least in a Disneyish context, it implies a perfect, pure maiden.)—Urutapu 14:21, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget the 7 wonders of the Earth.-- 17:04, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Namine

 * I gotta agree with you. I always thought that Naminé is a Princess of Heart, or at least the Nobody of one. It's not about just her emotions, it's also about her powers and her origin. I mean, her complete being is Kairi, right? So there can't be any mistake to that.--Charmed-Jay 09:07, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Naminé can't be a Princess of Heart because there are only seven, and as a Nobody, she doesn't have a heart. Just because she shows emotion doesn't mean she has a heart, Axel being a prime example of that. Her powers are just special because she's the Nobody of a Princess.--User:FuronXXXX 04:17, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Successors

 * No idea. We all hope that BbS addresses it somehow, since Alice may or may not have been born by that game's time.—Urutapu 01:46, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Alice is, like, seven. So, it's not possible.-- 01:49, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, according to official Disney stuff, she's 12. If she stays 12 (yeah, Square/Disney is weird that way) in KH1, then she'd still be 12 in KH BbS. As far as we know, I don't think she's appearing. Wonderland wasn't exactly the world to bring back, y'know? Besides... a 2 year-old Alice wouldn't exactly be "normal..." - EternalNothingnessXIII 01:52, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, she's 12!?! She looks so much younger than a 12 year old! Anyway, seeing a two years olrd Alice would be cute! We don't see babies in Kingdom Hearts!-- 01:54, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree. Nobody said the Princesses of Heart couldn't be succeeded, besides, Keyblade masters could be succeeded too. --Charmed-Jay 06:04, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

心のプリンセス
Can anyone provide a screenshot showing this? All of the sources I can find in Japanese just call them "Seven Princesses" (Granted, it's websites, not the games).(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  19:31, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Snow White - Non Canon
I'm just wondering why Snow White's appearance instead of Alice is noted to be non-canon. Did they note the canon order in which Sora visited the worlds and/or the princesses were caught? Otherwise the case could be made either way for which of the two versions of this scene is the canon one. DoreikuKuroofangu 02:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain Alice's appearance is the canon one, seeing as how Wonderland is meant to be visited before Deep Jungle. Visiting the latter world first creates an odd situation in which Sora somehow already knows how to seal a Keyhole, then reacts in shock when doing it for the second time, as though he did not know what was happening. -- 02:29, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Basically this. The games and guides indicate the suggested order, so that's what we're going off of. 03:50, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Cinderella
At what point in BBS can we consider Cinderella's heart to have been stolen? We know the world got destroyed and we know her heart was already taken, but we don't know of her whereabouts, and there's no evidence to suggest that she fled somewhere... TRS NX  17:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * At some point between the main epilogue and KH1, that's the best we can say...unless the quotes in KH1 specifically say "lost their heart when their world was destroyed", or something. 06:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Cite for X-blade
Because people are complaining that we're making up fanfiction, here's the cite for the "their hearts are seven pieces" bit, from DDD. We need to check that the grammar and spelling exactly matches the game's captions, then add it. 15:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Yen Sid: The Keyblade Wars of yore plunged the true Kingdom Hearts into darkness, and the Chi-blade was shattered. But the light still shining in the hearts of children rebuilt the world that we know today. And the light from the broken Chi-blade was then divided into seven, to protect the number of pure hearts in the world.

Mickey: Seven pure lights. They're...the princesses of heart.

Yen Sid: Indeed. Those seven pure hearts form the very source of all light in the world. If they are lost, the world will again give way to shadow. Thus, even if we deliberately avoid finding our seven lights to avert another Keyblade War, Xehanort will still target the seven princesses in order to forge the Chi-blade.
 * It appears even that quote is controversial (see here), so if someone wants to provide a cite that clearly says one way or another, or something from the original Japanese, go right ahead. It should be pretty obvious that I disagree with the interpretation of the members in the thread, but I'm not gonna be pushy on this one here. 18:50, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I was going to add the citation now (the quotes are correct, by the way), but then I saw you added this. If there's controversy over the interpretation, then I guess I can hold it off. Still, unless someone can provide a more accurate translation of the conversation, I think should just stick to what the English version said?-- 19:03, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * See the thread. They're contending that Kingdom Hearts was replaced by the lights of the seven princesses, and to mirror that, the X-blade became the first seven guardians. I can see the parsimony in that, I just don't like that apparently we have seven precursor guardians who have never been mentioned anywhere else. Still, it seems to fit what the Japanese text said better than the current interpretation. 21:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, this topic is a direct criticism of our accuracy. I'm leaning towards rewording the page to fit their interpretation for now, as I've thought about it and it's easier to support theirs with the original Japanese translation than it is to support our current interpretation. Any objections? 13:10, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I looked at the translation and I honestly don't see how people are interpreting it that way. It seems pretty obvious to me that the Princesses are the shards, not the Guardians. Blackchaos27 (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a strange conversation. Yen Sid talks about protecting the pure hearts (which should be the princesses, because they alone have pure hearts of light) and doesn't mention a specific number, only "a number". He doesn't even say that the shards are pure, just that the x-blade was divided into seven pieces. Then Mickey immediately talks about the princesses, as if that was Yen Sid's intention all along and he agrees. It would make sense that the shards of the original x-blade became the princesses, because why mention this at all if the original guardians don't play any role anymore? The guys at KHInsider argue that the original x-blade was not unique in any way and that these seven pieces are only brought up because the new x-blade also needs seven lights, those of the guardians that will clash with the seekers. I'm not sure what to believe. -- 17:25, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the guardians are gonna be used to forge the new χ-blade. That doesn't have anything to with original χ-blade shattering into 7 shards of light and 13 of darkness if it's apparent that the original shards don't really need to be gathered in order to forge a new one. If the princesses are candidates but not strictly necessary, then them being the original shards of light is the obvious conclusion. Blackchaos27 (talk) 21:31, 7 April 2016 (UTC)