Forum:Petition: More Ops on IRC

This petition is fine and dandy, sometimes ops aren't available all the time. Another op would cover more time. But, if there aren't any ops online and there's someone being harassing or something: don't just let them do it. Copy what they said down (put it on pastebin.com or something), and tell and op when the get online. You could also leave a message on an ops talkpage on the wiki. Here are all the ops currently:
 * Azul
 * Yuan
 * Hexedmagica
 * BebopKate
 * Bluerfn
 * Yer mom
 * Gamer

If any of these people are on the wiki, but not on IRC, they would be the first to go to. -- Gamer 2127 00:00, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, I suppose. - EternalNothingnessXIII 10:56, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I agree --Riku&#39;s Love 19:51, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a good cause. I'm in. User:JudgmentDay95
 * I agree completely! Stuff like that shouldn't happen here, especially on the IRC channel!-- Xion 4  ever  20:04, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Hexed is usually on, Yermom is there and so is Gamer and I'm there on Friday and Saturday. I haven't heard/seen any major complaints about flammers, bullies, etc. the times that I've logged on. If you guys have a problem and no one's there to solve it, go to #wikia. They'll usually be there immediately. You have to think, what's the average age around here, 13-16? There will be plenty of immature insults being flung around. You can't really help it. But if Kryten and the other staff agree, be my guest. It wouldn't hurt to have a couple more ops online at different times to handle problems of this kind. -Azul (talk ・contribs) 00:20, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

So, then, it's decided? Who will be the new ops?-- Ninja Sheik  00:36, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm there A LOT of the time, so... >>;; Just a suggestion though. --天下 無双 ！！  00:38, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Alot of the users who signed the petition are on the IRC alot as well. Also, is the Op(s) going to be selected by voting (similar to voting for admins/mods), or will they be selected by the staff?-- Xion 4  ever  01:19, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think they should. Admins and mods are our superiors. It's only right they get to decided, even though some are not there most of the times. -- Ninja Sheik  01:23, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Don't ask for help in #wikia, they can't do anything, unless Azul gives people usually in #wikia op privileges here. -- Gamer 2127 01:44, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * If we're adding new ops I think it shouldn't be a voting thing, since well... pretty much everyone votes for their friends while completely ignoring if they are suited for the job or not. Also, I just noticed that some of the users that signed the petition are the ones who actually cause the trouble while others appear at the channel like... once a month at most, just pointing that out. And Ninja, admins and mods are our superiors...? Sorry but they can be your superiors, not mine ^^; -- 02:25, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * True true. I also say that anyone who wants to be an OP should get the place, so as long as he or she stays true to their word. No voting, please. And yea, I've been around long enough to see who the trouble makers are and who aren't on the IRC. And, sure admins and mods may be your superiors, but they're originally just like us and move around the site like us: regulars. --天下 無双 ！！  02:32, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

But they call the shots. They have more previlages than normal users.-- Ninja Sheik  02:39, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure they have more privileges, but in all seriousness, if you take that away, they're nothing more or less than us. It's only fair they pitch in opinions rather than use their powers and do whatever they want.--天下 無双 ！！  02:50, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Direct quotes from Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Administrators:


 * "Administrators are not content judges, and in that avenue, are equal to other editors." "''Administrators are also not owners of the wiki; all editors have equal input in decisions."


 * And here is a direct quote from Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Staff about moderators:


 * "Though they are not more important than any other user..."


 * The Staff are no Users to fear, nor are they extreme figures of hierarchy as practiced in North Korea. Me? I personally don't feel any difference. It's just rollback, no big deal. You all can do what the rollback does, anyway. I think of you as equals, not underlings! -- Door To  Nothing Kupo! 02:52, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

true but ssc is right every admin or mod started out like us regular users Firaga44 02:44, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

You guys believe what you want to believe, and I'll do the same...-- Ninja Sheik  03:00, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I haven't weighted in much here because my time in IRC can be sadly limited, and so I truly do not know the extent of what is going on. Also, I have a pretty pathetic understanding of IRC, to be truthful. But I would like to offer a couple of suggestions:

1. Admins in IRC obviously don't have to be staff here. If there is someone(s) in IRC often who you guys think would do a fair job of keeping an eye on the channel, suggest them here. I beseech you, please think carefully about this...don't pick someone because they're your friend, or they "seem" nice. Think about people on the channel who act in a responsible manner and you think would be capable of watching and handling these things. Adminning (is that a word now?) can be a pretty tough job at times. (And likewise, if you get picked and do not feel you can handle it, please let us know. We don't want to pressure you into doing something you do not want to.)

2. As we can't be there all the time, if someone is being truly harrassing, threatening, etc, record it some how. Make screen caps, copy and paste the text as suggested above, or any other means you can think of. If the issue is especially serious, let the Wikia IRC staff know right away and show them what you've got; please let us know as well so we can help them take means to stop it.

In addition, I want to say as an admin I do my best to be fair and helpful, as do the other staffers around here. But I am human and I do make mistakes and have bad days and so on, again, as do the other staffers. I know we have a few folks here who do butt heads from time to time since they're very passionate about Kingdom Hearts, and want to make this wiki the best it can be. We certainly don't expect everyone to hold hands and sing happy songs of Atlantica, but if someone here feels like they are being especially singled out for poor treatment by an individual, even if they are an admin, please let someone know. And if you ever think I've acted poorly towards you, please let me know. Bebop Kate  06:06, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I'm very glad we've made a decision. I really did think this was a key issue and I'm glad that the Admins and Operators have responded. So, Thank you deeply from me.

Ok I've been on the IRC since July, so I'm going to pick a few people I've watched in my time, who are fair and neutral and who'd help out the same any other Operator would.

1. Rocker2127 - Daily User, Friendly, Considerate 2. Xion4Ever - Daily User, Controls Situations, Neutral 3. SSC - Frequent User, Mature & Helpful 4. ENX - Mature, Neutral & Unbias 5. Firaga44 - Frequent User, Caring, Unbias 6. Ghostboy3000 - Frequent User, Friendly & Caring

'''NOTE: A few of the IRC Users were scared you woulnd't consider them because they're not part of the IRC. I'd hope you'd consider all the IRC Users please.'''

These are the people I think deserve Operator privilege. Of course, I myself would love and be honored to be an Operator and I'd hoper that the Admins/Ops will consider me too. ^.^

Thank you for reading and Special Thanks to all the people who have supported me through the petition and the admins for giving me their feedback and reaching a decision.

Take Care! - MelodiousNature 06:47, October 13, 2009 (UTC)