Talk:Xehanort

Untitled
I really don't think that his spirit went on to Terra and then Terra then lost his memory and ended up in Radiant Garden, where all he could remember was his possessor's name. It makes no sense that he has a Nobody and a Heartless yet he still appears in Kh2 final mix, i would belive that his apprentice would most likely be him Saxor 06:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This is just a crazy probably not true theory.
Maybe Master Xehanort is Xehanort's Unbirth. Think about it, the main antagonist in KH 1 and 2 were the leader and the same thing as the enemy force: Ansem=Heartless, Xemnas=Nobody. So it only makes sense that Master Xehanort=Unbirth. But it's just a theory.--Vatek 12:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I think this is a really confusing theory . An unbirth can only be created AFTER the death of a nobody and a heartless, because of this, MX can't be an unbirth, because xehanort is only defeated After KH 1 and 2. Then again, MX can be an unbirth. he spoke somewhat of how darkness wasn't the right path for him and how he didn't wan't ven to make his " mistake" It's possible MX was consummed by darkness, and became a heartless and a nobody, these in turn could have been defeated, (Birth by sleep sequels anyone?)creating MX, who kept his personality as a heartless, nobody, and now an unbirth.--142.46.164.89 22:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Name
Perhaps an irrelevant detail, but I'm wondering, is "Master" part of his name, or is it just his title/rank? Drake Clawfang 18:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a title but keep it there to avoid confusion with the other Xehanort

Xehanort
are we really sure how old he is?(He might shave his head and just likes a goatee)

Here is my theory: After Master Xehanort took over Terra's body Terra grew older, his hair longer, and remember that it turned gray when MX took over his body. So the present-day Xehanort is the past Xehanort in Terra's body. --ZexionFan321 21:52, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura screwed it again?
Hold on, the guy says those who wield the darkness can't use the Keyblade yet:

Xehanort, Terra and Riku clearly use them despite this....so....what's goin' on? D: Kaihedgie 00:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Exactly what I was thinkin'. In addition, you can't really call the 'Dark Keyblade' a false Keyblade, or the ones wielded by Terra, Aqua and Ven for that matter. Just because they don't have a Keychain, doesn't mean anything. The Dark Keyblade, despite lackin' such a device, still functions like any other Keyblade would: unlocking hearts and gateways to other worlds. Kaihedgie 02:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

MX doesn't say they aren't Capable of wielding the keyblade just that they aren't "Qualified" to. In other words, he's prejudiced. "we don't hate it it's just kinda...Scary.But the world's made of light and Darkness,you can't have one without the other;Cause Darkness is half of Everything. sorta makes ya wonder why we are scared of the dark. "It's because of who's lurking inside it." Just as Dark is not Evil, so can Light is not Good.

the phrases "Knight Templar" or "Well-intentioned Extremist" come to mind

"Light and Darkness are mear elements, only good or evil when weilded by those with good or evil hearts." True, no? In my opinion, it appears that the only "qualification" you need is a sufficiently strong heart, so long as your heart remains strong, your keyblade will stay with you, even, in some cases, a keyblade will form from your own sword if your heart's strong enough, like Riku's soul eater/way to dawn, and, even if your heart isn't in your body, the keyblade will still let you use it I.E. Roxas, Xion, heck, I bet Namine could also have weilded a keyblade, given that Kiari can. NobodiewithaHeart

In response to the comment immediately above, Roxas could only wield a Keyblade because he SPOILERS contained the remains of Ventus' heart/END SPOILERS. Xion is a copy of Roxas, and can therefore wield his Keyblade. And to clarify, there are three varieties of the Keyblade: WARNING SPOILERS

1. The whole and the two halves of the Ki-blade. This/these are the Keyblade(s) used by Sora (Kingdom Key -The 'kingdom' being...well, that should be obvious), King Mickey's Keyblade chronologically after BIrth by sleep (Kingdom Key D.), And the combined 'Ki-blade' wielded by Vanitas in the conclusion of Ven's Scenario (and technically, Aqua's as well) in Birth By Sleep.

2. The Keyblade of people's hearts, which can unlock Kingdom Hearts, as can the Ki-blade. This is the dark Keyblade made from the princesses' hearts.

3. The Keyblade of a person's heart, which will manifest itself from their own heart if the person has sufficient strength of heart. These are the Keyblades used by everyone save Sora, Mickey after BBS (his original Keyblade is the Star Seeker), and Vanitas when he battles Ven in their awakening (he otherwise uses a finned keyblade with two eyes on the blade and hilt). -Xabrin

Master Xehanort's "Mistake"
In the TGS2008 trailer for Birth By Sleep MX says "Use your power to defeat the darkness. And correct my mistake!". Does anyone have any idea what his "mistake" was?

probably his apprentice falling into darkness.

Joe Keyblade, your theory was scary close to being correct.

Random Shoe Resemblance
did anyone notice that MX has the exact same shoes/boots as the organization members, probably where the organization actually got the from.

Similarities
I found this picture that shows the similarities between Master Xehanort and Xehanort's heartless:

Are they the same person or something? User:Ninabean822

New Screenshot
A recent scan has a full body in-game screenshot of master xehanort maybe that would be a better picture for this article.

I have provided a better picture but Yer Mom is reverting it. -- Black Summers 21:26, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

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... right, so you'd prefer a side-face shot over a full body shot? -- Black Summers 21:31, October 20, 2009 (UTC) GS undefined

That's quite humorous. -- Black Summers 21:33, October 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't rever the edit please. The image you uploaded is a bad quality one. We'll stick to the artwork until a better scan comes around. -- 21:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Right, next time i'll try and find one with dynamic lighting and in HD. -- Black Summers 21:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Well at least the new one is alright.--Masgrande 07:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Speculation
This is my theory: It is possible for Xehanort to return but not in any of his previous forms. Master Xehanort released his heart and trasfered it to Terra. If that is the case then what happened to the resst of him, a.k.a. his body and soul. When Sora used the Keyblade of Peoples Hearts on him self in order to free Kairi's heart, Roxas was created in the process. If all the aformentioned information is correct, that would mean because Master Xehanort lost/gave up his heart there is a chance he will return as a Nobody. I bet your thinking "Wasn't Xemnas MX's Nobody?" No because that may have been MX's heart, it was also terra's body and soul the became Xemnas, while MX's body and soul are still out there. KeyToEterninty 03:22, May 16, 2010 (UTC)KeyToEternity

master xehanort boss battle
video of master xehanort boss battle with terra where he uses his own keyblade to release his heart and transorm terra into xehanort and after that terra's armour gets a will of his own. and after that the armour fights terra/xehanort thumb|300px|left thumb|300px|right

Main antagonist
It seemed Master Xehanort and Xehanort are the same but Master Xehanort stole Terra's body and become the Xehanort 9-10 years later. So are you going to merge Master Xehanort and Xehanort togther? --Cococrash11 22:09, January 9, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Home World? The Hell?

 * Forgive me for asking, but do you have a source? Someone went and changed it without verifying that it was actually correct, and now it is locked that way.--Otherarrow 09:31, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

The Xehanort's Report in the game make mention of Master Xehanort sending Ven to his home to rest and recover the light in his heart, and this has been interpreted as when Ven is streaking down to the islands in the BBS intro. MX also makes reference to leaving while standing on a beach in his world, which is a pretty explicit reference when you consider that sort of visual has been used a lot in KH. Doreiku Kuroofangu 11:44, January 18, 2010 (UTC) GS undefined

Wait a second wheres the proof that man and Master Xehanort are the same? I mean Riku didn't said in what year that the myteroius man leave? --Cococrash11 05:56, January 20, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Sure looks like a younger (Master) Xehanort. Here's the scene - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGqehqfm0A. As Riku stands there, Terra sees the guy Riku mentions as Riku himself, then Riku turns and looks like his KH2 self, and finally he looks like young Riku again. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:27, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers (merge)
I'm not saying do it right now, because it would be a pretty massive spoiler just to do it, but do we want to consider eventually merging this with Xehanort's page? I've watched a couple BBS vids, and it's obvious that his name is simply Xehanort, as other characters refer to him without the title. So do we keep the page "Master Xehanort" for now and move/merge it to another location later, leave it here for good, or what? Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:21, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Master Xehanort's power
it's confirmed that he also very skillful in ice and lightning magic, shown by attacking using homing dark-ice spell. he also uses dark-lightning magic. also, he is able to raise the ground as a pillar for attacking. as for his battle stance, it's the same as vanitas' since vanitas is his apprentice

17master 16:08, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * And.......so? His battle stance is different from Vanitas', at least in the vid I saw where he is fought. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:07, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

well I said so so the admins can go add it, the article was locked back then. it's the same, they both raise their keyblade the same way Riku did it. 17master 12:58, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hometown?
There's a lot we could add to the page, that included. Doreiku Kuroofangu 18:27, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Main Antagonists
Can someone add Master Xehanort and Vanitas to the list of main antagonists under Universe of Kingdom Hearts

Okay, this isn't even funny anymore...
Someone has to find a way to unlock this page. Birth by sleep is over a month old now, and this page needs an update. Seriously. Xabrin 04:47, February 20, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin

Update: SUCCESS! BOO-YA! Xabrin 03:59, February 24, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin

Indeed. A massive update. For Pete's sake, they just showed us what Xehanort looked like before he got all wrinkly.

Maybe I am just crazy, but...
Ok, well I was thinking that seems MX's body (and soul?) faded into darkness when his heart joined with Terra, forming Xehanort, That with the destruction of Ansem and Xemnas that Terra's heart will return to his body and MX's to his, reforming both of them for a future game. But I don't know I am a little crazy. Black Tornado 20:54, February 23, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado

Master Xehanort isn't autistic....
Seriously, who suggested that? The only kind that would fit is Asperger's, and Master Xehanort has displayed none of the other common behavioural problems associated with that. Autistics tend to face people, but not have eye contact with them, which is the exact opposite to how MX acts. My older brother's autistic, I know what I'm talking about when I say it should be removed from the trivia section. Xabrin 04:04, February 24, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin
 * I'm sorry, that was me. I have asperger syndrome, and I thought the way Xehanort acted was actually the same as I did. I don't always make eye contact, and I at times tend to talk while my back is turned at the person I was speaking to. Werehog 1:34 PM 2/24/2010 (UTC)
 * " don't always make eye contact, and I at times tend to talk while my back is turned at the person I was speaking to." As a part of characterization, that is called Dramatic Emphasis. Or shame. And MX definitely has plenty of both.

islander?
Was it ever actually confermed that MX was from destiny's islands, because I do not think it was. If no one objects I going to take it down on Monday. Black Tornado 20:31, March 4, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado
 * In a way, yes. A man that looks much like Xehanort was seen on Destiny Islands both in the beginning of BBS and when Riku talks with Terra on Destiny Islands. This is not, however, the Xehanort from KH1 or KH2, because his hair is styled a different way, and his outfit is also different. Not to mention the apprentice Xehanort never sets foot on or in Destiny Islands, with the exception of his Heartless, a separate character. Please leave this bit of information alone. - EternalNothingnessXIII 20:35, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ya, but only see the back of that guy's head and for all we know it could be Riku from the "distant" future (after the KH2 version). Maybe it should say that it highly inferred in Bbs that MX is from Destiny's islands. Is that fair? Black Tornado 21:25, March 5, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado
 * No, because that would make it sound more like speculation, even though all of this pretty much is. We have the most facts supporting that it is Xehanort, because the man is seen in the beginning saying "One day, I'll be free." When Terra meets Riku, he says "A man left the islands long ago." before Terra sees the man's form over Riku's. The verdict : Leave it be. We have more facts supporting that it's Xehanort. - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:28, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Alright I'll leave it for now, but I am still against it. Black Tornado 22:01, March 5, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado
 * The man has a different hair-color than Riku, and appears right as Riku is mentioning Master Xehanort as an islander. The implication is pretty clear. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:21, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

No Riku mentions someone, who players speculate is MX he never says the name XehanortBlack Tornado 16:17, March 6, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado
 * As Riku says this, we get a shot of Xehanort's back. I mean, christ.—Urutapu 23:25, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

YES the back of a head it could not possibly be anyone else!! Black Tornado 16:02, March 7, 2010 (UTC)Black Torando

Um, it is young Master Xehanort, as the Xehanort's Report back this up, along with an interview with Tetsuya Nomura, and I think any smart person could figure it out.---oddishh

Yes it is obviously MX, but, you weed, that requires deduction, which makes this speculation, need I say more? Black Tornado 21:31, March 8, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado
 * ...you see him clearly at the beginning of the game, then you see him again when Riku mentions a man that left the islands. Are you seriously saying it should be removed because you still need a map and compass? Glorious  CHAOS!  21:43, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Did you just call me a 'weed?' xDDD And what Kryten said. If you can't figure it out, then it's your problem. It's pretty much common knowledge for those who read spoilers now. ---oddishh

Hay you named yourself, not me and if you bothered to read what i said, YES MX is from Destiny Island, but no matter how you say IT IS SPECULATION!!!!!!...so yes i do need a map and compass because speculation does not belong in the articles Black Tornado 21:39, March 9, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado
 * So I guess you don't play as Sora, and Organization member, Terra, Ven, or Aqua? I mean, everybody calls them by those names and such, but you only get a shot of their backs as you play.—Urutapu 11:00, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

That does not even deserve a responce, the fact that can not see the difference is so sad and makes me what to kill my self. Black Tornado 21:24, March 11, 2010 (UTC)Black Tornado

Oi!You Black Tornado The Silver-haired male http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/kingdomhearts/images/a/a6/YoungMasterXehanort.JPG is MX it was confirmed by Nomura.And its clear that this dude is in Destiny Islands : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmTXDbZ0yw8

question
i have a question.

does anyone know how the heartless held down ventus when master xehanort unlocked his heart,if the heartless were not created back then?


 * Pureblood have always existed, its Emblem's that weren't created yet. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:51, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Leonard Nimoy Confirmed (99%...)
Reason why I said 99 instead of 100 is cause we've yet to hear HIM say anything. Regardless, if you watch the short little Gamestop trailer/TV spot... How do I put this? As much as I appreciate a good argument, and the whole thing with "confirmations" and "validities", the fact is...no one in the world has that voice. Same with Christopher Lee - you hear it, you know it. And that's just that. Link to the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qsGOig8sg4 Oh, and before I hear any nonsense...NO, this isn't a fake trailer... --NeutraVega 06:31, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's very likely and reasonable, but just for the sake of procedure, let's wait til we can cite it. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:50, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

That video has been confirmed to be fake...JTD95 22:03, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

DChuich is the KH13.com guy. Usually his vids are... well genuine. --  Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  02:29, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

That trailer is confirmed to be real and is posted on the games website, and Leonard Nimoy has also been confirmed to be in the game with the PSP bundle article. I'd say it's pretty well confirmed.

Along with Mark Hamill, Willa Holland, Jesse McCartney, and James Woods.--ShadowsTwilight 18:49, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Willa is most probably Aqua due to lack of any other main female characters in BBS. Dunno about Mark though.
 * It's absolutely Nimoy. It shouldn't be Nimoy, but it is. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:03, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

It... "shouldn't"? Why shouldn't it? What's wrong with having Leonard Nimoy as Master Xehanort? If you think about it, he (As Spock, of course) kind of LOOK alike to me. Well... minus the beard, and all. Hyper Zander 19:27, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

I'll agree that Nimoy's voice is a little, for lack of a better word, rough compaired to the Jap Voice actor, however other than that it fits pretty well. --Evnyofdeath 19:31, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. I'm kinda on the fence about it.--No.i 19:37, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nimoy has a very, for lack of a better descriptor "old sage" feel to his voice. He pretty much always has. He does not make a convincing "dastardly old man" voice, and it's just not at all the right tone for MX. Compare it to the Japanese. Could you ever see Spock with those evil eyes and smirk?
 * He would probably do very well for Yen Sid, he has just the right feel for it. But for the series's ultimate villain? It was a terrible casting decision. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:32, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Please note that they both have pointy ears. End of story. maggosh 20:37, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Found a website with confirmation of Nimoy right here. YamiNoBahamut 16:00, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

You're a little late, you know. They already did a press release with the official release of the trailer that said Leonard Nimoy, along with Jesse McCartney, a few other people and "among others", was a VA in the game yesterday. Hyper Zander 16:03, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Then why has no-one added it to the page? YamiNoBahamut 17:14, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation bias. Yeah, I know, it sucks, but this is Kingdom Hearts we're talkin' about here, so yeah x: Kaihedgie 17:32, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Right, I messaged him on Twitter so we'll have confirmation soon enough YamiNoBahamut 17:54, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay,so right now I'm seeing Grand Duke, Magic Mirror, Grumpy, Prince Phillip, Master Xehanort, and Scrooge McDuck as claimed VA's without an explicit citation. Isa was directly confirmed by Kirk on Facebook, so that's good. Am I missing any? 'cause those can be fixed quickly. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:25, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

We locked Vanitas' page for the purpose of keeping people from speculating about his VA, so I don't know what you're talking about there. You could just remove the unsourced VAs yourself, you know.-- Lapis of the Night  21:35, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I removed most of them, since there was no announcement that they were even doing the game, much less those characters. People had just said "Well, they did it in the movie, and obviously these people are blood-thralls of Disney, so they'll be forced to come back." All that's left is Master Xehanort...so consistency says revert to TBA. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:06, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Xehanorts voice actor
it has been confirmed in the english trailer it is leoard nimoy who is the voice actor for master xehanort

We know that. It's just that the wiki's policy is to wait for 100%, explicit confirmation before putting up info. That means a statement saying something along the lines of "Leonard Nimoy is voicing Master Xehanort in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep." It's mainly a formality, so just be patient.05:41, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Why was Leonard Nimoy removed from Master Xehanorts english voice when it is confirmed here: http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/151133-new-degenki-interview.html#post5144428 ? - JTD95 21:45, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Extension on JTD95's point - the original Japanese article is here YamiNoBahamut 22:54, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Regardin' that lil' trivia piece regardin' his English voice actor. It kinda needs to be kept there as there is a both a dichotomy and a relationship between Star Trek and Star Wars Kaihedgie 06:44, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Young Xehanort pic?
I got this from a print screen, it still shows his back but not as close as the one before. maybe if you guys like it you can replace it. but it's just a suggestion though

awesomely done, thanks Maggosh 17master 17:00, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Young Master Xehanort's voice
Young Master Xehanort sounds like he has the same voice actor as Riku. But it doesn't say in the credit who is voiced by though... - JTD95 18:58, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Young Xehanort/Terra similarties
First off, I just know I misspelled the word "similarities". Secondly, From looking at the render of the Young Xehanort on the page, isn't it uncanny how closly he resembles Terra? The only real difference I can see is Skin and Hair color, and Young Xehanort's hair is longer and in a slightly different style. --Evnyofdeath 05:31, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Reference
Is the reference for the quote really needed? BbS has been already out for a week. The Yoshiman 97 01:25, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * What reference? *shifty eyes* Yeah, it's removed. maggosh 01:30, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes
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Re: Coded

 * Because (1) the video is hacked, and translated by a group that, while certainly dedicated and admirable, has consistently mistranslated important texts, leading to confusion in the community (KH3, for example), and (2) the section that is put up is consistently in a badly written "out-of-universe" style. Like all synopsis sections, it should be written as if you were a character in the games, describing what was going on. Why don't you try it just to see  what happens?  04:00, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * KH13 explicitly states the video was recorded, not hacked. The mistranslation and bad writing I agree with, however. maggosh 04:01, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * ...how did they record it on the day the game came out? There's no way SE released a game that short. Why don't you try it just to see  what happens?  12:49, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's highly possible for someone to finish a game the day of. I've seen it done myself. maggosh 13:08, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * okay. Could you give me a link to where they said they got it legitimately? Why don't you try it just to see  what happens?  13:40, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Well...isn't there an error in the Coded-Section? As far as I remember Mickey said they might've located Ventus' Heart, not Ventus himself. The only ones who should know where Ven's body and soul are located are Aqua and maybe Xemnas...and we don't know yet if Mickey has met Aqua in the Realm of Darkness. However, given the fact that the translation of the conversation might be off or partly wrong Mickey might even have said something other regarding Ven... 93.223.151.73 12:22, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Return
I'm willing to be my left foot that when Xehanort returns it will be in "the younger new body" and for Sac terra's heart is likely in riku did you notice how he used relatively the same pose as Terra when you get him as a party member in WTNW but I digress. He's likely to return as new xehanort get separated from Terra's body and somehow be revived as in his own body that somehow became younger. Xander19

add/change
can you add riku's english and japanese voice actors as young master xehanort and change section title of coded into Re: coded, please thanks.

yes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gallagher#Filmography and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Kingdom_Hearts#Main_antagonists

I only got wikipedia, sorry

Trivia Mishap..?
It says in the Trivia section of MX's page that Terra was foreshadowing Ansem Seeker of Darkness's demise when he said MX will be shown the door. I think that's reading too far into the statement. How could Terra have possibly known that 1)MX would become a Heartless, 2)Kingdom Hearts would contain light, and 3)it would destroy him? Terra is not psychic, nor is Master Eraqus, in case anyone claims he might have told Terra of the future. I propose that Terra was using the common phrase "Showing someone the door," meaning making the concerned party leave. This would mean Terra was trying to say that he was the proper owner of his heart, that he wouldn't give up, and that he would kick MX out and regain control. That MX would be shown the way out. Anyone agree? Seekerofdarkness 23:08, January 6, 2011 (UTC)seeker of darkness


 * I do honestly agree, it's kind of a giant speculation. But people seem to like it.


 * Just because Terra had no idea what would happen to Ansem, SoD, doesn't mean it's not foreshadowing. Just because Terra possibly forshadowed something doesn't mean he had to know it would happen. However, I believe I tried removing that in the past, but someone put it back up, I guess. 23:16, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

I understand that clairvoyance and foreshadowing are not the same. The whole psychic thing was rather unrelated, in hindsight. But I still maintain that the reference to the comment as foreshadowing is a bit of a stretch. Seekerofdarkness 23:20, January 6, 2011 (UTC)seekerofdarkness
 * What does he say in the original? That's not an idiom in Japanese, as far as I know, so if they squeezed it in there as well, it's purposeful. If it's not, then it's nonsense, just as it looks like. 00:01, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

No idea. Anyone have the source on that? Seekerofdarkness 23:42, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Possibly Master Xehanort's Report?
I heard that too. Does that mean music going to be a big part of the game? Unknown3619 17:19, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Who is revived?
who can tell right now? As seen on the last trailer, every form of xehanort will appear. wait for the next issue of jump, maybe they'll reveal it. Sum2k3 15:41, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

It would seem likely that it would be Terra-Xehanort, as Terra's body is the one that made up Xemnas in the first place. But it still isn't really known. 19:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Nobody.
Wait!!! So when MX stabed himself with his keyblade and relesed his heart like sora did in KH1 then does that mean a Nobody was created too? ! Could it be the Unknown? ! Is that why the unknown resembles MX in his youth? is this plausable? Unknown3619 15:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

A better way to put it: The mysterious man who has the form of young master xehanort is the mysterious man from bbs. Young Master Xehanort in DDD will not be the same YMX as the one from bbs such as how Roxas and Ven aren't the same person. Unknown3619 15:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

That seems plausible. 19:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I would say this should be on a forum-- 20:16, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Young English VA Improperly Sourced
As I said in the edit summary, the vid is from 2012, and David Gallagher says he provides the voice of a young Xehanort in a game that isn't out yet. It may of course still be him doing the brief young MX scene in BBS, but using that vid as a source for it is incorrect. 174.88.14.63 05:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * He probably either got his facts wrong or he misspoke. - JTD95 06:06, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Regardless of the exact game he was referring to, he said he voiced young Xehanort. A young Xehanort is a young Xehanort, and I'm kind of feeling that we should merge the two articles anyway, unless the young's exact nature (he's basically a Heartless, is that right?) is a stumbling block. 14:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * "He probably either got his facts wrong or he misspoke." - And who are we to decide that? If we're going to start twisting what he said and assuming he meant something else, how do we know he didn't mean "I voice Master Xehanort and they just credited Leonard Nimoy as the VA to get people interested".
 * "Regardless of the exact game he was referring to, he said he voiced young Xehanort. A young Xehanort is a young Xehanort" - Um, no. It isn't right to apply statements made about one game to another, especially concerning voice acting in this series. After all, if the KH series does one thing, it's always use the same voice actors for the same characters between games, right? 174.88.14.63 16:30, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ...instead of getting snarky, please review what is actually stated on the page: that David Gallagher voiced Xehanort (young), fullstop. You are the only one making any claims about what game he voiced the young Xehanort in. All we (and the article) are saying is what he said: that he voiced the young Xehanort. Please read more carefully next time, before making false accusations against other editors. 18:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I misread, I assumed that as the Nimoy credit has a tag that the tag also referred to the secondary VA. I was consumed and mistaken, sorry. I'll also note that VA debates on upcoming games are something of my berserk button and I got carried away, I'm aware that doesn't excuse my behavior though. 174.88.14.63 19:47, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 's fine, 's fine, we certainly appreciate your dedication to making sure the facts are right. Hell, I embarass myself doing way worse every month. 20:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

My critique
can we find a better picture of fix this one? the outline is blurry and his shoe has a "u" on it. Unknown3619 15:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

what about the one on my profile page?Unknown3619 18:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is not a full-body render. 09:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Template
Why in God's name does this guy still have the Boss Template on his normal page when EVERYONE ELSE has that (still cocked-up) "new" template?? That's my reasoning but for some reason, this guy's the odd one out when it comes to templates. EnglishJoker 11:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, change it then. Don't complain. ;) UxieLover1994 12:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, then I will......again. Watch what happens next. EnglishJoker 13:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

New Japanese Name?

 * Enigmatic Youth or Boy. 16:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Identity?
Could he be Terra, after Xehanort became a Heartless and nobody? --Sapphowako 14:12, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Unlikely, the face is way off. He looks much more like young Master Xehanort. -- 14:36, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

We don't know what he is, he could very well have taken the appearence of a Young Xehanort, in BBS he was bigger than he is in 3D, either way the game is like 4 days way from the Japanese release let's just wait and see.--Xabryn 15:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

2 days is too long, the suspense is killing me, I wanna know how off I am... --Sapphowako 00:02, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Pretty damn off...

Alternate Timeline
Source? And don't argue using logic, this is kinda the wrong series, and game for that.

There is no evidence that his time shenanigans are not based on a stable time loop, like most Final Fantasy games. Mentioning changes to the timeline is presumptuous.152.27.34.107 12:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * He explicitly explains to Riku that one cannot alter the past through time travel. It's a stable time loop. Nothing ever changed. 68.9.233.144 23:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Too Early
Wasn't the move a bit too early? the name of the article became a spoiler to the guy's identity.
 * EDIT: Almost a week and no reply. Does anyone care about the spoiler police? 02:23, 9 April 2012 (UTC}
 * Thing is, if you go to a wiki, wouldn't you expect to be spoiled? 19:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * This is only as much a spoiler as having articles for Quasimodo or CLU.192.249.47.177 19:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

If we followed that logic Erry we wouldn't have a spoiler police. And anon Quasimodo's identity isn't a secret, while YX's is, there is a reason why he was called unknown at first.23:35, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The game's been out for at least two weeks, no? Then we're all set. Too late to change it back now. 23:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It is still a spoiler until the game is released in all countries, and no, it's not too late.--01:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, you are correct, my mistake. However, this is the first occasion where the name of an article itself is possibly spoiling. Not sure really how to handle this, but I don't think changing the name would be a good idea. I can't see any suitable solution besides keeping the spoiler tags up there. 01:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, it's still as much a "secret" as Quasimodo being in the game is, even if certain players care about it more. Material from before the game was released clearly depicted them, the info's out there.
 * I mean, there's a point at which the spoiler policy goes from "common courtesy" to "shooting ourselves in the foot", and I think this is it. We can have a spoiler warning at the very top of the page, but it's not reasonable to start contorting the presentation of information and sacrificing accuracy on a crap-ton of pages. 02:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

...Being in the game is not a spoiler. Being Xehanort, however, is.152.27.34.107 12:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

English Voice Actor Clarification
Just wanted to quickly clarify than the english voice actor is Ben Diskin. Don't put anything down yet though - not until "official" confirmation. --68.230.252.5 15:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I love how you talk about waiting for something official, yet you post a link to iMDB. maggosh 16:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You got some proof to that, besides iMDB? 17:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The hell? I just posted the IMDB link so you'd get an idea of what he did in the past...  Not as any kind of proof.  As to how I know it's him?  I just do.  He has one of those insanely recognizable voices.  Kinda like...you know, Spock himself?  --68.230.252.5 19:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So you have no confirmation. maggosh 19:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it possible for you to not act like a grade A douchebag for five minutes? No, really.  If you CAN just spare a few minutes, I think that'd be super.  When you get your confirmation, I'll make it a point to badger you specifically.--68.230.252.5 19:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Look, we can't add him as his voice actor on a hunch. maggosh 19:49, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I did say not to - yet. I just said it as such so the reason to dance around it would be eliminated.  Kind of like...how we all know Paul Peter is still voicing Xemnas, but we don't have official confirmation.--68.230.252.5 19:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but Peter has worked on previous games. I don't even know who Diskin is. maggosh 20:00, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So now it's all about you and what you know?--68.230.252.5 22:52, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Jaaayzus, children.
 * Anon: there's no point in even bringing up imdb, ever. They thought that James Earl Jones would be voicing Aqua. If you don't have a reliable source to provide, there's no reason to be starting new topics on the "what needs fixing on the article" page. Go to the forums, instead.192.249.47.177 22:58, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd appreciate it if you didn't go around calling our editors douche bags. 00:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyway, the point is that IMDb is not a reliable source, so it cannot be used. Even recognizing a voice actor's voice isn't proof, because many voice actors/actresses can sound the same. Take example Mickey's new English voice actor after Wayne Allwine (may he RIP).-- 00:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I will admit it does sound like Benjamin Diskin, however David Gallagher's facebook and twitter says he is voiceing YX in KHDDD. David Gallagher is just shifting his voice just like Haily Joel Osment did when he voiced Vanitas. Also it makes no sense for YX NOT to be voiced by David Gallager because it was confirmed that he voiced him in BBS, David Gallagher already works for Square Enix as a voice actor. why would he deny the role? And please dont call people names on the wiki. readers can look at talk pages too and you want to make this wiki look professional dont you? 198.209.0.252 14:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4362/kh3dben.png Whoops.  --68.230.252.5 20:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's enough. Although he admitted he did some work on it, he never specially side what kind of work on it. If we're on things based on assumptions, then we're just speculating. And, anonymous user, please don't "badger" our users.-- 21:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course. I 100% anticipated this response.  Common sense, after all, isn't terribly popular here.  Should I run some sort of poll or something on every KH website and board to see how many people think of you guys as a joke?  Or, if I'm not mistaken, someone else already did that once...  IN FACT...there was a group called "The Blox" who completely showed you all up.  And you've yet to learn your lesson still.  You've yet to even bother improving.  It would be quite impressive, if it wasn't so sad.--68.230.252.5 21:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Now you're just acting plain rude. We need hardcore proof, not something based on assumptions. Better to be safe than sorry, as the saying goes. If other people wants to put on their websites that blah blah is voicing whatever character, that's fine because it's not how we do things at the wiki. Unless someone flat out says they're voicing a character, then it's nothing more than speculation. It's not that we're being unfair, we're being logical.-- 21:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Then I suppose our definitions of logic greatly differ. I see no logic in this.  You're working along the same lines of a system that is broken to no end.--68.230.252.5 21:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Stuff like this has happened before. We're just being careful, there's no harm in that. The game is coming out soon, anyway. I don't see a point of arguing over something that doesn't really to be argue about.-- 21:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Alright, guys. I know I'm intruding, but seeing as how this argument has gone too far (in my opinion), allow me to provide my opinion on the matter.

Anon, I admit that it is very likely that Ben Diskin is the voice actor for Young Xehanort. With the image you've given, it does seem likely. However, this situation also brings back memories of what happened before Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep came out. After Mark Hammil was announced to be providing his voice for the game, I saw at least one website that stated that he would be playing Terra. Although it may have seemed likely at the time, we now know that Mark Hammil played Master Eraqus instead. Similarly, it was announced multiple weeks ago that Leonard Nimoy would not be reprising his role as Master Xehanort. Seeing as how Ben Diskin only stated that he "did SOME kind of work for it", he technically could be playing Master Xehanort in this game, rather than Young Xehanort.

I know my example may not seem likely at all, but until someone explicitly states that Ben Diskin is playing Young Xehanort, I do not believe that it is right to list him as his voice actor. The chance that he is playing a different role may seem slim, but so long as it exists I do not believe that it is right to list him as Young Xehanort's official voice actor. And after all, how do we know that he isn't being played by David Gallagher again, seeing as how that's who played the role in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep? -- 22:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * NOTICE


 * There will be no more personal attacks, or I will begin handing out immediate indefinite bans.
 * There will be no more fiddling around on this topic other than someone providing evidence where Ben Diskin is explicitly stated to have a certain role, or Young Xehanort is explicitly stated to have a certain actor.
 * This wiki has had a policy of requiring explicit evidence for a good while now, and past violations are not an excuse for further incidents. Furthermore, the reliability of askance hints or IMDB have been thoroughly destroyed in the past. We do all remember Leonard Nimoy saying he was done with voice acting, right? How'd that turn out. And for imdb, the James Earl Jones thing.
 * If we never get an explicit statement of who voices Young Xehanort, guess what? It doesn't fucking matter, because even if we did get it it would be a tiny, irrelevant footnote hidden away on the page. This is a ridiculous thing for people to be getting worked up about. 22:44, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

And, anonymous user, please don't "badger" our users Badger? no you misunderstand. you see im just a wiki critic who tells people on my website what wiki to use for the best info. I find this site however.... distasteful. ---> If we never get an explicit statement of who voices Young Xehanort, guess what? It doesn't fucking matter (case and point) bye ;)

Here's your 130% confirmation: http://i.imgur.com/dqneB.png We also get a clarification of David's role in everything too. And guess what... I won't make any edits.  You guys do it. But if I don't see any edits in the next 12 hours... Let's just say your already dubious validity won't even be questioned - there won't be a need for questioning. --68.230.252.5 06:42, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the source! This clears up a question someone was having about David Gallagher, too.
 * On a side note, can we please not encourage the voice actors to risk getting fired, especially when we can almost always just wait a month or two for more ethical ways to get the info? This really isn't critical info, guys.192.249.47.177 13:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I gave up after Vaan's seiyu for Duodecim was replaced after he let loose the pigeons. You're pretty much asking for Square to put David back in, anon. maggosh 15:58, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah... Just to clarify lol, I had nothing to do with the guy being bothered - just caught that pic on the boards.  After reading through a bit more, I do feel pretty bad for him.  We have the dumbest, most obnoxious fanbase around.  =_= --68.230.252.5 16:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Wrong info
We state here that after failing to induct Sora, Young Xehanort returns to his own time and gives up his memories of Dream Drop Distance and the grows up to be Master Xehanort. This cannot happen as Young Xehanort is a member of the Thirteen Darkness and is he were to lose his memories and leave, they would only have eleven members.
 * I haven't completely understood KH time travel yet but consider this: Xemnas, Ansem, Xigbar und Saix were already defeated and can still attend the meeting (because they were brought there through time). Also if Xehanort just needs 13 versions of himself, why doesn't he just bring 12 younger selfs? --ShardofTruth 13:41, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Because Nomura wants to bring all the Xehanorts back.
 * Except he LITERALLY says he'll return to his own time and will lose his memories of what happened. maggosh 16:23, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes but that means that there cannot be a new Organization XIII.--124.168.242.102 01:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Unmerge?

 * False. It's not an alternate timeline, it's just one guy looping forward then going back. He's the same guy, and the character and the voice actors (out of canon) have confirmed that it's the same character. 05:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And yet, the characters are treated as separate entities. - 50.133.206.189 14:43, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, it's one guy, just occupying two different points in space. 15:03, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I honestly agree with LightRoxas. You have know idea who the hell the article's about. Is it Apprentice Xehanort? Master Xehanort? Young Xehanort? You can't tell until you click. Really not good for some of the editors/readers. And is it just me, or does the page seem a bit cluttered/chaotic with all of Young Xehanort's information added to it? - 24.63.239.203 04:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort are the same person. If you're confused about the time travel, or who Xehanort is, talk to Nomura about that. That's why we have a disambig at the top, and explain the intent of the article in the lead paragraph. Beyond that, there's not much we can do to reasonably accommodate the series' soap opera-level lunacy. 06:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There are going to be a total of thirteen different Xehanorts from various points in his timeline in the True Organization XIII, and the six we've been introduced to thus far are very different. We have separate articles for all of them but these two, even though Young Xehanort has been treated as a separate entity from Master Xehanort both in scenes and in the KH3D Reports profiles. In his report profile, instead of being an alternate character model for Master Xehanort like Young Sora is for Sora, Young Xehanort gets his very own profile, as do the other four True Organization XIII members, despite the fact that they're all essentially the same guy. As we get more and more Xehanorts, this article is bound to get extremely convoluted, especially if we keep in the perspective of Sora's chronology. I propose we make "Xehanort" the article that tells the story of each iteration of Xehanort in one timeline based on Xehanort's chronology, not Sora's or the player's, categorized by each of his thirteen forms. But also give each of the thirteen members their own article with information on what that particular version of Xehanort does, how that particular version of Xehanort behaves, who that particular version of Xehanort meets, etc. "Young Xehanort" is extremely different from "Master Xehanort," because YX is destined to be all of the other Xehanorts before he is MX.


 * It's like the various incarnations of the Doctor in Doctor Who, if you're at all familiar with that series. They're all the same person, but they all have different quirks, mannerisms, and personalities. If you say "the Doctor," a fan will assume you're talking about his current iteration. You have to specify which Doctor you're talking about. The First Doctor and the Eleventh Doctor are very different men, and yet both are the same man. Same goes for Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort. Fabala011 (talk) 23:21, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I feel like you haven't watched doctor who, then,as it explicitly describes the process as "dying, but becoming someone else", not "aging a bit". Xehanort to xemnas would be an apt comparison, not this. 16:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Organization
It makes no sense to cover Young Xehanort's time travel escapades in the section covering the era before BbS.


 * 1) We cover the events from the PoV of an in-universe chronicler, NOT the character himself.
 * 2) We have absolutely no evidence for which order his time travel escapades happened in. Maybe he went to Land of Departure on his way back to his original time, we don't know. Maybe he did it during KH3D while waiting for Sora to show up at TWTNW.

It's imposing an unsupported narrative that doesn't jive with the "landmarks" we are using to provide context. It does not make sense in this order. 05:04, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, we should put it back in the BBS and DDD section, Ill do it if you give me the green light.--124.168.242.102 09:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * (Young) Xehanort said for himself that time travel is only possible in one direction, so he visited the Land of Departure before waiting for Sora in The World That Never Was. I don't know how he returned though, there is still a lot to explain. --ShardofTruth 10:07, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm....that definitely helps, and should be written to be implied by the article, then. However...since we don't have actual year numbers for this universe, it seems like the most effective way to make it clear when time travel escapades actually happen is to cover them from the universe's PoV, rather than Xehanort's...I don't know at this point. Can we prepare drafts of each version? 15:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Universe is what's already on the page, isn't it?192.249.47.177 19:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, I misread the article. Carry on. 20:12, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Confusing
To quote an immortal, gumball-loving time traveler who was formerly insane "Time Travel makes pronouns so confusing." Translation, we don't know how Time Travel works in the series, and no one say "Nomura is contradicting his own logic"(I've had enough of hearing that). Look, until the whole thing is explained a little better(like using smaller words), we should avoid saying things like "alternate timeline" even if it does turn out to be true. Just my opinion, cause I'm confused enough as it is. 97.81.35.41 14:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
 * We're...not using that term here...read the article next time. maggosh 19:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * sighs* I mean that the Young Xehanort and the Master Xehanort should be considered two different people for the time being, even if they're the same person. One is the current version and one is from the past(who also barely refers to himself as Xehanort(he only does it, like, once)). And whether or not the young one is from an alternate timeline or not, he needs his own page. Still just my opinion though. 97.81.35.41 21:22, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
 * They're the same person. There are no alternate timelines involved. End of story. maggosh 21:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's queries like this which is why I put a Time Travel page on the agenda for the Friday roundtable. Hopefully if that page is made, it will clear confusion on this page. 21:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

If they're the same person then why do they have different journal entries? The answer is because they are treated as two different characters for the sake of sparing confusion. Which is not what is happening here. 97.81.35.41 21:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
 * I disagree, BBS uses two different journal entries for Vanitas, it's more about game progression than it's about sparing confusion. 22:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Really? Well, I've never played BBS so I really wouldn't know. Sorry, my mistake. But I still think it would be better to have two pages for them, for the younger and easily confused fans. I'm just trying to help is all. 97.81.35.41 00:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
 * So we should have separate pages for KH1 and KH2 Riku too, right? He looks totally different and has a different personality and everything, there's no way that won't confuse people. 01:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * But those two don't show up in the same game, do they? TheSilentHero (talk) 07:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

The Hero has a point. But we saw Riku grow into his KHII self, from CoM to Days to II, but YX is from a large gap in time which we have not witnessed. We haven't seen YX gradually grow into MX, but we saw KH Riku gradually grow into KHII Riku. Anyways, I'm done here, I still think it would be better to split the pages. So just put it to a vote or something, I have more important things that require my attention. 97.81.35.41 14:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
 * kh1 riku does, in fact, show up in khii, just not in person. We also have that instance in kh3d. Nevertheless, its still a silly suggestion: its literally the same exact person at different ages. As much "growth" as even needed to be depicted was...xehanort didn't change his personality much, if at all. Ansem the king, for example, changes more over the course of khii than xehanort ever did. 16:53, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Something I will settle for, is maybe dividing the Kingdom Hearts 3D sub-section, under 'Story', into two more sections: Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort. Even still, I find that unnecessary. 17:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Separate Xehanorts on Pages
Well, the game refers to them as such, and they are legitimately different beings in the game itself. However, wiki-wise, and in reality, they are the same person, just different forms. So, to stay in the same frame as the game, it's better to refer to each as one separate being, than one person. It would not flow well, if let's say, we said "Xehanort fought Riku by possessing Xehanort" for example. However, if we're talking about the list of characters/bosses, it's a similar situation to Flora, Fauna and Merryweather. All 3 links link to the same page, but they're different beings. 22:25, 31 March 2014 (UTC)