Forum:Logical Theory on Birth by Sleep

KeybladeKnight 19:49, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay so I've been trying to connect all of the pieces to birth by sleep and this it what I think.

First Terra is a much younger Xehanort cause they look alike and remember Ansem the wise found him without his memory. Also I think that he lost his memory in a battle with Master Xehanort and that is was dramatic enough to change his appearnce thous Xehanort having white hair and different eye color. Also the in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix Xemnas talks to Aquas armor who he mentions is an old friend in the room of sleep where I think he was trying to recover his true memories. One last thing In final mix+ the engmatic soldier he speaks and says that he hates Xehanort which could be that he hates what he caused.

Now I really had no idea about Ven the Roxas look alike but then read somewhere that an Unbirth is somebody yet unborn. Which made me think he is the Unbirth of Roxas and that in order for that person to be born the Unbirth must be erased. Which is the last thing Ven says to Terra in the Birth by Sleep Trailer. This would also explain why Ven has no memories and that he wants to be erased cause he finds out when confronting Master Xehanort in the Olympus Coliseum.

As for Aqua I really am lost as to the connect to her and Kairi I could see her as the unbirth of Xion as they do seem simliar.

So those are my theories on those three but I could be completly wrong I'll just have to watch the game and it release.

If he was in a battle with Master Xenahort, why did he lose his memories and not his life? Why did his appearance change from losing his memories? Xemnas wanted power, not the return of his memories. One thing I don't get: If Xenahort lost his memories, how did Xemnas remember the armor (which is supposedly Aqua)? So, the engimatic soldier hates Xenahort because he created Xenahort? How? If an Unbirth is a person that isn't born yet, why does the Unbirth look like an nobody (Roxas) and not the person (Sora)? Why say erased? Why not say die or killed? "Erased" is for data, not for beings. Ven wants to die so he can create Roxas? That doesn't make sense at all!!!!!!!!! He wants to be erased because he has amnesia? Okeydokey. Again, makes no sense. Augment96 04:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

My guess is that Ven and Aqua ended up saving Terra but lost their lives along with Master Xenahort and his apprentice but before this Master Xenahort did something to with his memories. The trailer suggest that Master Xenahort had some sort of ablity to control memories when he confornts Ven in the Coliseum either by unleashing memories or being able to destroy them. As to his appearance change he could given into the darkness as Riku did changing his appearnce and being unable to turn back to his normal self. He could have done this to try to beat Master Xehanort as seen in the last part of the final mix trailer where his eyes change colors. The question as to Xemnas remembering is that he remembers because he's used the room of sleep which makes those inside it remember memories by sleeping. Xigbar stated in final mix that Xemnas spends alot of time in that room when Zexion is looking for him. As to the enigmatic soldier hating Xehanort I think he's referring to Master Xehanort I had to rethink it.

As to the question of Ven remember Sora had already been born and you actually see him and Riku sword fighting on the beach. Also as we do not know much about unbirths or how they are created I can be wrong. Also as to the "why not say die or kill" it could be the choice of words. Ven doesn't know Roxas will be created it's the fact that he finds out he is an unbirth the enemy they have been fighting that makes him want to die.

Hope this clears some of the questions again this are all theories we won't know anything for sure until the game's release.

How come everyone is dead except for Terra? Is he the strongest out of all of the Chasers? Why would Master Xenahort affect Terra's memories? Why not just kill him? Why not affect Ven's or Aqua's memories? Unleashing memories? I don't get it. You mean he can give a person the memories he/she lost? Riku changed his clothes, not his eye or hair color. Riku looked like Xenahort because Xenahort possessed his body. Why would Terra want to beat Master Xenahort? Xenahort was his master and he was trying to find him. Maybe Terra's anger changed his appearance, not his willingness to give into the darkness? Why does the Room of Sleep give a person the memories they lost? You're saying that the Room of Sleep has Namine's power? But Namine put Sora to sleep to erase all of his memories, not give him back his memories? Namine got back Sora's memories by "chaining" them over a period of time. Master Xenahort is the Enigmatic soldier? Hmm, it's possible but unlikely. Since Sora was already born, Ven can't be Sora's Unbirth (if the definiton of an Unbirth is a person who isn't born yet). Well, that statement about Ven wanting to die for being an Unbirth might be true, I guess. 149.150.236.189 19:01, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

As I said I think they ended up saving him but they die defeating him and yes I think he is the strongest of the the three. I took another look at the trailer and It seems as if Master Xenahort expected Terra to become the keyblade master possibly not wanting to kill his favorite student he erased the memories so that he would not be a threat to his plans any more. Also as to the releashing memories in the Coliseum Master Xenahort tells Ven that he is losing it and that he needs help remembering then goes on to summon some purple orb and then a shocked Ven seems to remember something possibly that he is a unbirth. Remember that in the begining they didn't know what had happened to Master Xenahort and his apprentice. Then also remember that they find out he is looking for the pure hearts princesses which is why they encounter him in there worlds probably leading them to find out that he plans on using Kingdom Hearts. This would lead all of the chasers to try to defeat Master Xenahort. Another thing in the trailer Malificent states that Terra has given into the darkness as does Xenahort who tries to get Terra to join him. Also the room of sleep is located in Castle Oblivion which has powers over memories. As to the Enigmatic soldier I mean he is Terra and he says "I have nothing to give but my hate for Xenahort" when sora beat him the first time which means he is probably referring to Master Xenahort as the one who he hates. As for the unbirth although Sora had already been born Roxas hadn't which means that an unbirth could also take the form of the person's nobody.