Talk:Axel

Just saying...
Even though it dosen't really make sense, I think Axel is Riku's nobody. This would make sense because if you look at all the pictures of kingdom hearts games you'll find something in common. When Riku, Sora and Kari all stand by that one tree on Destiny islands they always stand in the same order Sora at the back, Kairi in the middle and Riku at the front. Now I was saw a picture from 358/2 days that shows Roxas, Xion, and Axel all standing at the same tree in the same order. Plus Roxas and Axel are friends the same way Riku and Sora are. I know Riku turned into a heartless at some point so he has to have one. So basically we have instead of the order being Sora, Kairi, Riku; its Sora's nobody, Kairi's nobody, and then Riku's nobody?

Heres the pictures:

http://www.khinsider.com/images/%21%21/kh01x.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/ninawolfess/RikuKairiandSora.jpg

They even have the same posture o.o

A little too off topic but i just want to say it; I think Terra is Riku's rebirth and I think Xion is definatly the nobody of Sora and Kiari because if you simply take the O from Sora's name and the I from Kairi's name and add an X then its Xion.

Yeah
Axel is so kewl. He rox. It's so sad that he has to die. :(

sorry to bother who ever may be reading this but I think there should be a section called "abilities" of "attacks" and under it should be a list of all axel's sleights in chain of memories. If there is no response I will try to make a list myself and add it here when its done so that then a member can add it to the page if they like but I tell you it will take ages for me to do it so perhaps you should get your guys on it. but only if you want.

Luis


 * Well, I believe that in CoM, all he has is Fire Tooth and Fire Wall, and with RE:Com, Its Fire Wall, Fire Cutter version 1 and Fire cutter version 2.

Original Name
This is just a thought, but could his original name possibly be Alex? ( nobody said it couldn't have an X in it already. )
 * But Tetsuya Nomura-san did not state that name is official.--NeloAngelo 07:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it was just a question, you didn't have to be so rude
 * He's just saying that you can only put things that are confirmed, not "what if"s or "possibly"sXienZo 03:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, but I never said anything about actually posting it. besides you guys put a "possibly" on Larxene's name
 * Did not, some anon added it, and since I'll probably screw up reverting it, I rest my case.--NeloAngelo 07:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's also been stated that a Nobody name is the original name with the additional X, so only if his name had two X's could it have been Alex originally. The Patron Saint of Lost Causes 19:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

This is Axel's real name its Lea pronounced as "Lee".
 * ORLY? XienZo 02:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

yes im making a list of everyones real name
 * Ahem, well the thing is... we can only put stuff that Nomura said himself you know. But if you want to try to guess them go ahead, as long as they don't go into the actual article... XienZo 00:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Eh, well, we gotta have the link, and I've checked every single one of the interviews, and none of them said that, only the based-off Reno part, not the ale. Besides, Nomura probably wouldn't use an explanation for a name to be based on FF characters that some people who play KH wouldn't know about...XienZo 04:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

He is based off of Reno from Final Fantasy Advent Children. Beth B.

Yeah I noticed they have the same voice Rikloud 17:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Axel was partially based off of Reno, as Tetsuya Nomura has already confirmed, because he wanted to "put a familiar character in an unfamiliar scenario". They are not related in any way other than that unless Tetsuya Nomura says otherwise. The only members whose names have even remotely been revealed are Xemnas, Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, and Roxas. As for the Larxene comment, the fact that some common names can be made from her name is just trivia, not speculation. Now listing all the possible names for her or any other member, that is speculation. LapisScarab 01:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay but 'Lea' or 'Ale'? Honestly, I can see why Axel would want to change his name if it was either. I can't see him as a 'Lea'. Ale would be a pretty odd name for someone. Who would name their kid 'Ale'? Lady Nevaeh 07:00, 1 June 2009

Quick question
Yeah, mine is about Axel's name, his orginal self, just basically it does not have to be Axel rearranged with an x taken out, remember, he could've taken on that name or something much like that, like Xemnas did, as his real name is not Ansem but Xehonart. Just a thought is all 121.72.8.134 23:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well its a cool thought I'll give ya that90.202.236.189 09:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Quick thought
Yeah, mine is about Axel's name, his orginal self, just basically it does not have to be Axel rearranged with an x taken out, remember, he could've taken on that name or something much like that, like Xemnas did, as his real name is not Ansem but Xehonart. Just a thought is all 121.72.8.134 23:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It didn't HAVE to go through the anagram thing. If he got permission from Xemnas and a good reason to. Last time I checked, they weren't on good terms, so it probably is an anagram. XienZo 00:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

NOOOOO thats false his true name was Xenhort but wen he bacame a heartless he took the form of Ansem the Wise and when Ansem became a nobody it rearranges Ansem with an w to form Xemnas

Reno = Axel
I think it's a great idea. :)Lady Nevaeh 07:21, 1 June 2009

A little help with Axel's Data Replica, please ?
I'm not sure, I don't have Final Mix but I think the Reaction only appears when you finish a combo, or when he hides in flames (Shrugs)

might be late but i meant when Axel hides in the flames.

Uhh....
Umm...I have a question:Is possible for humanoid Nobodies to...have kids?

gohanRULEZ 18:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I suppose the only things they're missing are hearts but.....

BUT?

gohanRULEZ 18:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

wow... what an odd question. uuummmmmm... my guess would be yes. Because in physically speaking, they have human bodies. but then agian, a Nobody child would has no heart, something needed for complete exsistance. But it would be a Nobody child, meaning it would never be complete in the first place.... my guess is still yes though. -xNaminéx

.....good..luck. glad i could...help.. O.o -xNaminéx

The only problem with the theory is that Nobodies are supposed to be nonexistent. What's more, they're created from the body of a strong-hearted person turned Heartless. If they wanted to reproduce, they could just throw people into the darkness. Keyblader 20:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Bad Language
Is it true that Axel said 'damn' in Chain of Memories?Pizzahut101 02:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that could ever be called a swear in COM was that "give me a hell of a show!" thing.—Urutapu 07:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I was very sad when poor Axel died. He and Roxas are the only members that don't desearve to die (dispite Roxas still being alive). Amalia 12:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't be amazed if Axel cussing is true, in my opinion Axel is probably the weirdest character so far.--PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart 18:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

It was when he used Namine to double-cross Marluxia and Larxene. The words were changed when it went to Re: CoM. Keyblader 20:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

"weirdest" would probably be Xigbar (or demyx).

rip off
Me (xion) and my brother (axl) were using the screen names xion and axl for years before kingdom hearts came out. Some game desingers saw us on the net and stole our names.--208.118.200.168 19:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC) xion.


 * Sorry if I sound rude, anon, but get over yourself.—Urutapu 00:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It would be an honor to have characters in Kingdom Hearts share your username. I would be really pleased if they will have a character be called Princess Andie!--PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart 17:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

You're kidding me, right? You think that a board of Creators in Japan is going to say, "Oh, look! We can take these two random names from the internet! It works perfectly! And one of them even sounds like a common enough Japanese name! Doesn't this work so nicely?" Lose the sense of grandeur. Keyblade Mage 00:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

Axel playable in single player in 358/2 Days
Just checked the new site update. Showcases solo Axel gameplay with one of his new weapons bein' demonstrated. Kaihedgie 02:12, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I just saw a new Axel pic. It's here: http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom/days/ Find a way to get it. Look in Characters: Axel.

He's not the only one. Xaldin, Demyx and Luxord have different weapons too and they are played in solo too. Speaking of Axel, where's that new pic. The one where he's holding his chakrams in the character section?
 * So does 358 reveal his name as Lea, or is this more vandalism? Glorious  CHAOS!  22:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Everybody is saying that it does. Guardian Soul 23:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It does. There is a scene from the game where Saix adresses him as "Lea"--or "Ria" in Japanese. LapisScarab 21:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Axel used to know Saïx?

 * ...no, your template code clearly states that it's yellow on lightred, which isn't a code-color, so it goes to white. I corrected it to "pink", but it's still pretty unreadable.

Weapons
I have a question. Now that 358/2 Days came out in Japan, should we make separate articles on the Org.XIII Weapons? You know, like how we have an article on the Keyblade (even though it "IS" an important weapon). I think it will make it more organized to have the weapons separated by their user, for example have an article on Charkams and have the different kinds with their stats. Any insight is greatly appreciated! Xlatinsorax 14:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

BTW, Who is Lea? I've looked everywhere for a pic of her(him?) but it's like she doesn't exist...

Lea is Axel's name as a Somebody... so there probably isn't any pic of Lea as he is Axel. --Yer mom 00:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Technically you could have separate pictures of Lea. After all, the Nobody always looks slightly different to their Other. A significant difference is often lighter hair: Roxas and Naminé, for example


 * Well there was the article called Organization XIII weapons were all the info on Axel's chakrams and Saïx's claymore and all that stuff was stored but when Days came out a lot of weapons came out with it. Having a single article for all the types of Chakrams, one for all the types of Lexicons (in Zexion's case) and another one for all the tipes of Knives (in Larexene's case) would seem alright at first but there are many types of weapons for each, hence the idea of creating a page for every single weapon instead of grouping all the types in a page (since it would look cramped), it's just like the keyblade, since it's such an iconic weapon it has its single page, but every type of keyblade has its own page with its own stats, where to obtain it, appeareance and stuff, in the case of the Orgainzation's weapons it's more or less like that, every weapon gets its page and the generic name for each (i.e. Axel's chakrams) is explained in his own page under the title Weapon like in here, I hope that helps XD --Yer mom 16:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yea it makes sense. I was thinking, though, more along the lines of the Keyblade and using that as an example. Maybe we should wait until we get more information on their individual weapons and their stats/locations/etc..... Xlatinsorax 03:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

were is the secret report
the title says it allJoekeybladeaura 16:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Joekeybladeaura 16:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Last Man Standing, Sorta
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Axel the only Organization XIII member that does not die in COM? Givox 00:56, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Axel doesn't die in COM. If he died, it be sort of impossible for him to appear in KH2. JudgmentDay95 20:25 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I was just making sure he was the only one who didn't die...Givox 01:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Lea

 * I think it's "Lee-uh". User:JudgmentDay95 13:04 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's right.—Urutapu 18:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd actually prefer that ("Lie") as opposed to the true pronunciation. User:JudgmentDay95 16:48 15 July 2009


 * It should be "Lee-a" according to the katakana but if the English version changes it, it wouldn't be the first time (it should be "Veek-sen", not "Veck-sen").—Urutapu 21:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

lea is just axel without the x and scrambled up...(i felt like i had 2 say tht^^) User:Ninabean822


 * Good job for them. I was wondering how they were gonna manage to make it sound masculine.—Urutapu 16:45, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

axel emo??
well you know how some people class roxas or riku as emo (i h8 labeling btw, just stating a fact here) and they do all this fan art and stuff but seriously, if people actually thought about it, axel haas been through more shit than roxas yea roxas forgot everything; xion,axel,the organization ect.. but axel lost both xion and roxas only xion died i understand that hurt them both but roxas forgot and ansem, the selfish bastard desided to kill himself instead of helping roxas he could have thrown that "thingy machine" over the edge and lived but nooooo but i suppose it was better for axel to die tbh he needed it if you get what i mean i rambled yes....but it needed to be said xx

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It's in ReCoM. Before Vexen's death in Twilight Town. EternalNothingnessXIII 20:37, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

RE:just saying
im pretty sure luxord is rikus robody but i havent finished kh2

Nah, your right Firaga. Riku never turned into a heartless. Also, Orgainization members names originate from their original names (with an "X" added in it somewhere). For instance: Vexen- Even Zexion- Lenzo  Xemnas- Ansem, etc.--Xion4ever 20:03, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Lea...
When exactly does Saïx call Axel by that name, besides the reports that is.

And is it Lee-ah or Leh-ya (As in Princess Leia)?Neo Hartless 20:27, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Japanese katakana say it's "Lee-a", but the English version changed it to "Lee".—Urutapu 23:11, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

But when's it spoken? Neo Hartless 17:46, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMNZtX6Fan8&feature=player_profilepage—Urutapu 17:52, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

so tardy to this party.
I think Lea is a great name for Axel....or maybe I'm biased because my middle same is exactly the same

Origin
i think there's far too much speculation in the origin section. We should summarize it to a more subtle viewAqua00000 03:08, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Agreed.-- Ninja Sheik  03:21, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I know some of the info in there comes from Days, and as I haven't played the game I can't be too sure how much is speculation. Wanna edit it yourself so the speculation is taken out? -- 03:22, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Just leave it the way it was for a little.-- Ninja Sheik  03:38, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm why? -- 03:44, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Think about it. True, most of this stuff is speculation, but it makes sense, don't you think? We don't know anything about Axel's past besides the fact that his Somebody's name was Lea and he was once friends with Axel. Plus, they both plan to take over the Organization that was stated in Secret Reports.-- Ninja Sheik  03:48, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

no it doesnt. the origin says Saix changed while axel has stayed the same. in kh2 hardly any interaction did Axel have with Saix. yes they both plannedo n taking over the organization but ultimately gave up. still that's not really "origin". Too detailed and it really doesnt follow "origin".

i already removed the areas where it's greatly speculated, but the areas were it's a simple speculation, i kept it in.Aqua00000 03:47, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not speculation, it's in the damn Secret Reports, like I already sayed. "I'm not the one who changed, you are." et all. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:15, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

that's not much of origin still. also it said saix changed and axel didnt. the report says they both did. Again, Origin. it doesnt fit in origin section
 * "Et all" means all of the related, no just that one line. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:34, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Still most of the ORigin explaines what is already in Days and KH2. ORigin would have to explain an earea where the story hasnt revealed time-wise.
 * ...It explains what happens before the actual events of those games, as it should. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:23, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

no it doesnt. Saix told axel he has changed, so axel changed during 358/2 days. the events before the games would be "he use to be a person named Lea but during the timeline of kh1 he lost his heart and his body and soul became a nobody along with his friend. the organization soon find him and make him a member, resulting to his name changed to "axel" along with his friend "Saix".

everything else is still "in-game"

Hm, I think Axel is marvelous. I've liked him right from the beginning of KH II, but the more that comes out about him the more I do :) As for him being friends with Saix, I wish I knew where to find the secret reports (sadly I do not have a DS or a high proficiency in Japanese, so I'm stuck watching the 'Days' cutscenes). If anyone has videos or translations, I would appreciate a link.

And, psh. Lea. At least it's pronounced somewhat masculine. --Butterflyeffext 18:56, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Everything In-game is already in he origin section, which still doesnt explain his true origin. i dont believe we should even make an origin fo r Axel unless more is revealed.Aqua00000 20:14, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Lea Page

 * Why do we need a Lea page? All we know is his name and the fact that he knew Saix. The founding members are actually appearing and interacting with people; it makes sense for them to have pages, but Lea's would be like, two sentences long. Unless you just waste space by copying redundant information about Axel, which I see you did.—Urutapu 19:02, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

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Good call.