Talk:List of Keyblade wielders

Dream Sword, Umbrella, Soul Eater
These weapons are treated functionally as Keyblades, with the whole Gear access or card access thing, but are in some way transformed. Do we want to consider these Keyblades or proto-Keyblades? Or just not mention them here? Glorious  CHAOS!  20:33, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * The Dream Sword never releases hearts, especially since it is never used against an Emblem Heartless. If you're counting Mission Mode, everything releases hearts, even though it's non-canonical. Glorious  CHAOS!  09:52, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but the other three can release hearts so they must be Keyblades somehow--Xabryn 21:17, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Wooden Sword in KH1 does not release hearts, as far as I know. The Wooden Stick does because Xion is using the Keyblade next to him. Also, when does the Soul Eater release hearts? If it does, then Nomura made quite a mess in 358/2 Days. Glorious  CHAOS!  09:32, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * First off, in Mission Mode, if you're not using Roxas, Xion, Riku, Mickey, or Sora, defeating Emblem Heartless releases colorless hearts, which I assume signifies that the hearts aren't collected. Having said that, Days does not distinguish between individual weapons, only characters. I will check someone's vids of ReCoM R/R to see if Soul Eater releases hearts, but I would not include it, or Dream Sword. --Neumannz 16:57, April 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Is it a grey heart or a pink heart? Glorious  CHAOS!  22:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Pink in both games, the same color of the heart that leaves when Sora defeat a heartless--Xabryn 22:58, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * So should we add the soul eater to the list or at least mention something about it in a article?20:40, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

It has been some time and yet there was no answer...--Xabryn 18:34, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

As far as Sora's Wooden Sword in KH1 is concerned, it is hard to tell. I think that if anyone was brazen enough to actually try it, it may actually work, but as I haven't tried it, I can't say for sure. Since the Wooden Sword in Hallow Bastion can come into contact with the Heartless, I like to assume that it can remove hearts as well. However, the strength of the Wooden Sword is so minuscule that it would be very difficult to attempt this maneuver to clarify, especially with the powerful Heartless that run rampant in Hallow Bastion. KyrianXVII 03:27, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I could try it but it would take some time since all of my saves are after that, but I was talking about the Soul Eater it can release hearts in KH Re:CoM, KH2 and KH 358/2 Days--Xabryn 18:50, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Fake Keyblade Wielders

 * Yeah. If that translation is reliable (and the others I've seen there appear to be), then they're pretty much saying that the AS is the abandoned weapon. VR very strongly seems to be an Unversed version of an AS, which would mean that he is the Void Gear itself. Glorious  CHAOS!  15:44, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Zexion

 * Only if we would count him for masquerading as Sora, and if we count the Mimic Master's pages, too. And AntiSora and Sora-Heartless.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  18:14, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

They're all technically copy of the Keyblade making them fake keyblade but in that case shouldn't we count Anti-Riku too?--Xabryn 18:19, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

the fake keyblade wielders r the no heart,armor of da master and vanitas remnant

Lingering Sentiment
If Vanitas' Remnant is a fake keyblade wielder then the LS should be too, as they are practicly the same. The lost thoughts of Terra. -- 17:36, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

UnknownChaser 18:04, September 22, 2010 (UTC) hmm i dont think so,cus VR is created from Vanitas emotion or something, while LS was created from Terra himself, cus the LS was born from Terra amor and wield his old keyblade, while VR is created from nothing. hmmmmm,im confuse now lolz

Ok but VR also has Vanitas his Keyblade, so this is I think a discussion worthy. -- 04:36, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * The supposition is that he doesn't actually wield the Keyblade, he IS the Keyblade, like with the Absent Silhouettes. Glorious  CHAOS!  12:58, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sora

 * Spoiler!


 * Yen Sid is still a Master. Why don't you try it just to see  what happens?  14:35, October 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Spoiler Deux!


 * Sometime during KH3 he will, sure. Not yet. Why don't you try it just to see  what happens?  16:10, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Wooden Keyblade
Terra and Ventus are both shown fully wielding the Wooden Keyblade, while Vanitas holds it and waves it around a few times. (ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  13:53, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Do we list the Wooden Keyblade here, or at "Weapons"?
 * 2) Do we consider Vanitas as having "wielded" it?

...do you mean, that thing is a Keyblade? 17master 13:02, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

That's why the Fake Keyblade Wielder section exist but since Terra and Ventus also wield other keyblades that are real so we would have to add it to their sections just like with Data Sora's Data Kingdom Key--Xabryn 14:24, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the other Fake Keyblades are magical replicas. This is simply a wooden toy. If we don't want to consider it an actual Keyblade, then the Wooden Keyblade should be on the Weapons page, like it is currently.
 * For the other part of the question, should we add Vanitas as a wielder of it?(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  14:36, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

That is not wielding. It is picking up and waving around. Granted, that's really just a connotative difference, but that's enough for me. -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  16:17, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

If we consider Vanitas a wielder of it shouldn't we cosider Lea too since he "wield" it--Xabryn 17:27, October 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * How about we define wielding as "You have to hurt somebody with it"?

Or, to make it less lame-sounding, "You have to use it as a weapon". -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  19:17, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, are we all agreed? Vanitas was a Toucher, not a wielder.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  19:24, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

I always thought he was a "toucher"... 9_9 -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  19:52, October 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sweet jeebus.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  14:21, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Can we please stop saying toucher it sound too wierd, but yes Lea's a guys who touched the Wooden Keyblade--Xabryn 14:01, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Armor of the Master?
Should Armor of Eraqus be added as a Keyblade wielder? It is basically the same thing as Lingering Sentiment with Master Eraqus.

Here's the thing, though, is there anything that says that it is the same as LS, or are we just guessing?-- 01:11, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

ST, the name is an immediate statement that it is. "Armor of the Master". 03:25, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's just a conjecture. Whether it is the same type as LS or not, it does wield a Keyblade.

Yen Sid
Okay, I'm the one who posted the pic, and here is my theory: Mickey had to wield the Kingdom Key (silver) when he first became Yen Sid's apprentice. Yen Sid said he had given up his keyblade and Mickey ended up taking it before he left the tower. If he "took it" from Yen Sid then that means Yen Sid had to have "owned it" in the first place. --Jacobmirror 16:18, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup

 * Fakes:

[18:54]  since they will necessarily have only 1 (2 for Zexion only) Keyblades, and very little text, it might be worth it to merge all of the sections into prose [18:54]  Honestly, Genie is the only one that isn't copying his Keyblade directly from someone else [18:55]  Like, a few paragraphs actively discussing fake keyblades, covering who has used them and why, and then galleries of the wielders and the fakes


 * Everyone else:
 * The design of individual Keyblades should not be discussed. Broad themes (such as Aqua's wetness) are okay, however.
 * The sections should focus on the character's actual Keyblade - how they got it, it's powers, etc., as well as what the character does in their role as a wielder.

23:57, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Graveyard Keyblades
We should include the Graveyard Keyblades in the list of Keyblades used by Vanitas, since he does ride on them in battle against you and is able to control them, seeing as how he steers them around during the battle and also causes them to crash into terra when he is not using controlling them.--124.169.121.154 04:42, 29 April 2012 (UTC)#
 * Hmm, maybe we should remove them altogether, the just seem to be inanimate objects and are summoned like elemental spells. --ShardofTruth 05:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * But they are Keyblades that are used by characters, such as Vanitas and Xehanort/No Heart
 * But these Keyblades are used only as projectiles as part of a spell. Also Vanitas and Master Xehanort may not control them directly, just use a wind spell or something to form a storm out of them. No Heart is the only one that actually summons them if I remember correctly. That being said I don't see a problem adding them to all three characters. --ShardofTruth 17:17, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * We'll do that then.--124.169.121.154 08:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Ultima Cannon-Ends of the Earth
Sometimes Terranort will use the Ultima Cannon and when he does, his keyblade turns into the Ends of the Earth, should we include it under his keyblades. Also since we inc;ude Terranort, we should also include Venitas.--124.169.121.154 13:03, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Riku Replica
We should iclude Riku Replica in the fake wielders section, since he wields Soul Eater (which is a half-keyblade).--124.148.205.68 10:52, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. 19:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Xehanort
With revelation that Young Xehanort was only able to wield the keyblade while he was being controlled by Master Xehanort shouldn't he be listed as a fake keybearer until he display's the ability to summon it on his own.
 * "Fake Keyblade Wielder" is for those who wield fake Keyblades. Young Xehanort wielded a completely real one, it just wasn't his (or more accurately, Master Xehanort used Young Xehanort's "body" to wield it, much like Ansem used Riku's body for the KoPH).

Thanks for the clarificationMaguma 12:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought that all the Xehanorts were mentally linked.

In any case, do we really need to mention Young Xehanort separately since he and Master Xehanort are the same person, not to mention YX's Keyblade is already covered under Master Xehanort?-- 01:51, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I support this. For Ansem SoD, we don't list him at all since he was using Riku as a medium. We have basically the same situation here, so I think we should remove Young Xehanort entirely, and leave his mention as a note alongside Ansem SoD. 15:33, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Any takers on doing this? 01:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Soul Eater
Sould the Soul Eater really be list here since it really a sword? User:Mew661 (talk) 19:04, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I think technically, the Soul Eater is a Keyblade though its labelled a sword in Days. 19:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * We had an extensive discussion about this already. The Soul Eater is an embryonic Keyblade, and already possesses the heart-unlocking capability, status menu nomenclature notwithstanding. 02:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Missing
Why is Sora's One Winged Angel keyblade not mentioned? 19:58, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's after Metal Chocobo and before Diamond Dust. 20:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, sorry, didn't see it.

20:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Terra/Xehanort
Since Terra-Xehanort is listed as a separate entity from Terra, should we have Xehanort's Keyblade listed as being wielded by Terra even though he only ever wielded it as Terra-Xehanort?-- 01:50, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. I don't understand why we list Terra as using the MXK. 15:33, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Ephemera?
And any others in X? 21:36, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, it's just Ephemera, the Fortellers, and the Player Avatar. Since the latter two are already listed, only Ephemera is missing from the list. 23:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There are also the three players in this cutscene which occurs during the 5:10 Daybreak Town story mission. They are just called "キーブレード使い" (which could also be used in the introduction of this page btw) and unlike Ephemera they don't use unique avatar parts (meaning the player could also look like them if wanted). At least the one in the yellow outfit probably died and so does his Chirithy. It's unclear what became of the other two. So I'm not sure what to with them, they also appear on this weekly screen. -- 08:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * So we should add Ephemera, right? 15:50, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Young Xehanort
"His Heartless, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, and his time-traveling younger incarnation, Young Xehanort, lacked hearts and thus could not be Keyblade wielders." Why does YX lack a heart? -- 01:03, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh wait. That doesn't make sense, Heartless are hearts. He gave up his body, I guess, but that isn't relevant. 01:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Graphical error
I'm using Firefox with Adblock Plus and NoScript (all this site temporarily enabled), and the tables are only showing two images in width, making them very long. It does not happen in Chrome, though. Anyone know what could be causing this, as it appears to be a browser-specific problem? 14:44, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * What version of Firefox? (Not that I'd have any idea...) -- 07:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have the same problem with Firefox (even without any addons) but just for the KHX section. It probably has something to do with the collapsible tables since the Keychains display just fine. -- 09:38, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Data-Roxas and Data-Riku
We need to determine whether their weapons are "true" Keyblades/intermediaries, or merely digital fakes like Data-Sora's first "Keyblade". The only rubric I can think of off the top of my head is whether they release hearts to Kingdom Hearts, or grey ones like the Organization's weapons. Anyone have other rubrics, or know of scenes that demonstrate the heart thing? 21:53, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Data-Roxas only ever uses his "Keyblades" against Data-Sora, but his Keyblades seem to be fake like Data-Sora's first "Keyblade", simply because all Data-Roxas is intended to be is a data program and does not specially gain his "Keyblades" the way Data-Sora gets his real Keyblade. Data-Riku is the same case as the Riku Replica.--Vanitas (talk) 11:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can't find any instances of either of them fighting Emblem Heartless, so that's good enough for me. Fake wielders it is. 20:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

"always just data"
Seeing as it becoming a real Keyblade is the plot of the game, I would reaaaaaally like access to the original interview (in Japanese) that this claim originated from. 13:16, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's the interview where Nomura says that it's always just data: http://www.khinsider.com/news/Re-coded-Ultimania-Scenario-Mysteries-Interview-Translated-1796 He says that it's a data version the entire time. Sorry, I don't have the direct Japanese interview, but KHInsider is definitely a trusted source of information, right? --Elfdemon (talk) 13:23, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * So it's data, but still "Real"? Makes sense. Like Tron, then? 20:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Images
Does anyone else think we should, where possible, use the images of the character wielding the Keyblade?

This should be possible for the following:
 * File:Foreteller Gula (Battle) KHX.png
 * File:Foreteller Ava (Battle) KHX.png
 * File:Foreteller Aced (Battle) KHX.png
 * File:Foreteller Ira (Battle) KHX.png
 * File:Foreteller Invi (Battle) KHX.png
 * File:Aqua (Battle) KHBBS.png
 * File:King Mickey KHBBS.png
 * File:Riku (Battle) KHII.png
 * File:Terra (Battle) KHBBS.png
 * File:Ven (Battle) KHBBS.png
 * File:Roxas (Oathkeeper and Oblivion) KHII.png
 * And here I kept removing all those Starlight Keyblades from the other players. If you think it looks better got for it, I have no strong feelings one way or the other. -- 08:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I am so, so sorry. 13:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Still should work. 00:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Other Players
Also see this:

https://forums.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-chi/177760-kingdom-hearts-x-chi-walkthrough-help-675.html

Honestly, I'm thinking it might be best to just cover each of them individually, in an additional list page. The way I tried to interlace it is kind of messy, and with so many of them, fuck it, repetition ahoy. 00:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Bumpedy-bump. 19:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In other words, create a page like "List of minor characters in KHX" to cover the other players? Aside from Mog, these other players don't have names, so doing a list of some sort is probably a good idea.-- 21:46, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Anti-Aqua and Xigbar
Should these really be in the Master section, separate from their birthing characters? 23:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I see no reason to have Anti-Aqua here, she's literally a corrupted Aqua. Considering we never saw Braig whip out a Keyblade, and despite our current knowledge of Luxu's current body being Braigbar, I think it makes sense to just leave Xigbar, since he's the only one we've seen holding a Keyblade. 23:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Organization XIII Remnants
So whats the deal with these guys? Are they real or fake wielders? We never saw who/what they are, since it was never explained with them, since they just show up. 08:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Terra-Xehanort
Should he not be in the "Masters" section since he is just Master Xehanort with Terra's body. --Vanitas (talk) 18:26, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * This is why I don't think Anti Aqua or Xigbar should be there either. 21:42, 20 February 2019 (UTC)