Forum:Kingdom Hearts BBS Final Mix

ARG ARG ARG ARG ARG-wait, who gives a crap? it's just a rehash of the BBS we got, so why is everyone making a big deal out of it? Yeah, Nomura lied... but who cares? It doesn't affect us, and this probably just means that the Mysterious Figure is as canon as Sora, or Donald's terrible singing voice. Of course, if it comes to US shores, I couldn't care less. If it comes to US shores on the 3DS, then sign me up. Anyway, your thoughts. I crave them.

For some, it's the principle of the thing, methinks. However, it is just a Japanese version of the International release, and I'm happy for the Japanese because they get what we got.

And if there's a secret ending? We'll do what we always do, though with the amount of stuff they put on our version, I think that they can barely add anything else. Tamroc7 01:10, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's because the Japanese always got the Final Mixes and the added content. Nomura promised that the NA additions were a treat for us, and he promised that Re:coded was a treat for us. Instead, the Japanese are almost immediately getting BBSFM, and they get Re:coded even before we do. If it was at least equal, that would be one thing (and great), but basically....it's like you're the youngest child, and even on your birthday, the oldest sibling gets the best present. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:27, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I'm just hoping for a BBS FM Ultimania. -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  02:09, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

A NEW WORLD! GRAAAAAAAAHH!!!! Oh, Maggosh, can you link the video that screen shot came from? --Evnyofdeath 06:18, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. But still....Nomura...I'm starting to lose faith in you....at least TRY to keep your word. I understand you'd eventually have to rerelease the game in Japan because of the Mysterious Figure, but that doesn't mean you have to add ANOTHER new character that we here in America won't know about unless we hover over this wiki...--Evnyofdeath 06:25, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I guess because Nomura doesn't like America.....--Evnyofdeath 06:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, on the other hand:


 * 1) Japanese names for the NA-added material.
 * 2) Unlike PS2, PSP games are not region-locked.
 * Still, Nomura has lied about Final Mixes and treating America pretty much every time. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:25, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I guess in the end even if Nomura doesn't want to do something, if the guys in charge of Square get a large demand from fans (why wouldn't they considering the bonuses in the US version of the game) he is given no choice, at least, I hope so because the only other option is he likes lieing to us. --Evnyofdeath 14:35, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the PSP isn't region locked like the PS2 was. Ergo, you can import it when it comes out. I probably won't, since I have YouTube and this sight to provide me information about the game, but if you feel so inclined, do so. Tamroc7 15:42, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Where did Nomura say there wouldn't be a Final Mix? http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/147012-ultimania-full-nomura-interview.html

Are you going to release the international version in Japan as you have with KH and KHII? Nomura: Well, if i say "we don't have plans yet" people will take that as "no" so I can't really say anything. Since the voice acting is done so well it wouldn't be bad releasing a Final Mix... but people only got so excited about KHII FM+ because it was sold with Re:COM. We're not going to put that much into it a second time.

Anyone know where Nomura said "No Final Mix"?204.211.185.107 15:54, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

LOL at everything being Nomura's fault.204.211.185.107 15:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

He never said that he wouldn't make one.....? I wish that had been said before....now I don't have to hate Nomura. --Evnyofdeath 16:16, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not the only one. There was another one in the Dengeki interview, I thought. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Most of this stuff is decided by people way above Nomura's pay grade. But that's not top say he doesn't enjoy it, because adding all the stuff they do and complicating the plot even more is just something he does because he can.Would a Final Mix be made without him? yes. Would there be half the New cutscenes,Character designs and story changes?Who can say.204.211.185.107 16:57, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

@KrytenKoro- Links please?204.211.185.107 13:15, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

http://www.khinsider.com/khinsider/birth-by-sleep-interviews.html Kryten, when you can find a defintitve statement regarding Final Mix anywhere in there, let me know.204.211.185.107 13:34, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Look, I don't like this either, but to say that Nomura said this would never happen, (the difference being between "No Plans at the Moment" and "Not ever Gonna happen") or that this is even his decision to make and not an executive, is a little disingenuous. (And because this is the age of distribution, the Final Mixes are in english and Disney will be angry as hell about hiring the English voice actors again, I'm still holding out hope for a western release. Not much of one I'll admit, though I honestly don't care either way.) Now, If you'll excuse me, I have to go back to having my ass kicked by the Mysterious Figure, kthxbai.204.211.185.107 13:47, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

"Nomura: Well, if I say “we don’t plan on it yet”, people will take that as “no”, so I can’t really say anything. Since the voice acting is done so well it wouldn’t be so bad releasing a Final Mix... but people only got so excited about KHII FM+ because it was sold with Re:COM. We’re not going to put that much into it a second time (laugh)."

Will there be a BBS: Final Mix?

No plans at the moment. Though after seeing the new trailer Japanese fans are arguing about the extras we are getting in the West. But at the same time he isn't sure how many of them could actually stand the difficulty.

-- Since you’ll be changing so much, does that mean we can expect a Final Mix?

Nomura: Well, first we’ll have to see just how much it becomes different from the domestically released version. But we’d really like to be able to release one “Kingdom Hearts” game a year. We don’t want several years to go by without there being anything.

Those are the quotes I remembered, and found on that site. He doesn't explicitly deny a BBSFM, no. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:11, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Man you have got to be F-ing kidding me!!! I mean I have been waiting patiently for Birth by Sleep for five years, spoiled myself aout of jealousy and envy of the Japanese, and right when I finally get it,before I'm even done with Aqua's story, BLAM!!! They go and anounce that they couldn't stand watching us getting atleast three extras and so they have compenste by giving themselves all of our extras and then add a bajillion more! I mean I can understand getting our secret boss, but is it really neccessary to give them like, what, +two more! What is the point of Monstro, unless you're going to actually go through with making Pinochio's world part of the game. And the irony of it all is that they might actually give Ven his original secret ending Keyblade, and that was what I have been striving for for our version, and we didn't get it! It makes me so MAD!!! I swear, Nomura, one of these days... Still, dispite my anger, I'm getting it anyway, after all, I should've seen this one comeing. I just hope that the only new scenes they get are in their new boss battles, because I hate hearing our NA voices w/ their Japanes text but hearing nothing but silence when they get a new scene! And if not, they better have those new scenes english dubbed, because they owe us that much! I know I sound unreasonable, but shouldn't I be!? Shouldn't we all!? But I promise, that if the rumor of Ven getting his Secret Ending Keyblade is legit, then I guess that will be enough to calm me down. I guess I do need a new thing to save my money on now anyway. AROS 17:42, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Also, there is something else I noticed about five minutes ago on the web site's HQ version of the trailer. Now, you have to pause and rewind a gazillion times to see this, but if you look closely, the first instance we see Terra (the scene where he saves Ven from Eraqus), HE IS HOLDING VEN'S KEYBLADE (WAYWARD WIND)!!! How weird is that!? So I guess thiss means that your character will be able to wield the Keyblades of the other two (Terra -> Ven & Aqua, Ven -> Terra & Aqua, and Aqua -> Terra & Ven)? Well, maybe they altered the cutscene and had Ven get his Keyblade knocked out of his hand and Terra uses it to defend him before he summons his own. Whatever it is, I hope it is explained, but I am still pushing for Ven getting his origional KH2FM+ Keyblade, I CAN NOT STRESS IT ENOUGH!!! Still, lets hope for the best, because this game won't be region locked and we might even keep their better WLAN signal (the network-wide one, not our sucky 60-foot-radius one) for Mirage Arena (I still haven't found anyone to multi-play with). The more additions, the better I guess. AROS 17:24, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

...The Wayward Wind is the Keyblade he used in the secret movie. Glorious  CHAOS!  13:38, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

We can't be sure about that. We thought the same thing about the earthshaker and rainfell didn't we?--Xabryn 23:42, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * No. There were massive aesthetic changes between the Secret Movie Keyblades and Earthshaker and Rainfell. On the other hand, Ven's keyblade looks nearly the exact same. I say nearly because I can't see any differences, but there still may be.
 * No, we never did. We thought they were the Ends of the Earth and the Stormfall, and those even appeared within KH2FM in the normal game, and retained the same design in KHBBS, plus keychains. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:39, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, returning to my whole Wayward Wind "rant-'n'-rave", I've been hearing most of the things people are saying/speculating about the FM trailer, and as far as Monstro and Eraqus I'm pretty excited but since all I care about is the damn freaking Keyblade (sorry for the "intense" language, well it is for me, I am just really focused on this), so I tend to focus on that stuff more. Anyway, I've looked and listened, and as far as Ven's Keyblade goes, it sounds like a lot of people are speculating that "Ven gets a 'new' Keyblade that looks just like his original (Wayward Wind) but slightly darker in color". Now I have read this same thing on several Kingdom Hearts fan communities (like KH Ultimania, KH Network, etc.) and I have looked at the trailer a bazzilion times and I finally got the nerve to ask myself "Where the heck does it show/say that!?" I've seen the trailer and as far as I can tell from it Ven was holding his starting Keyblade and there was nothing different about it. But what do I know? I assumed everyone was talking about the scene where he said "Friends forever" at the Keyblade Graveyard, but maybe everyone was talking about the other scenes with Ven fighting and took really good care in observing. Either way, original or not, new or not, redesigned Wayward Wind or not (well scratch the last "not"), I just hope that they give Ven his Wayward Wind redesigned to look more like it did in the secret ending, because I feel so disapointed, excited, and confused at the same time!AROS 21:40, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

AUGH!
THIS MAKES ME SO FUCKING ANGRY!!!!! i think that it would be fair for the stuff we got but new features also?!?!?!??!? I FUCKING HATE WHEN THIS HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 22:12, September 16, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Secret Ending plus my annoyance at Square Enix
Okay.......now i'm really cheesed off at Square Enix.....how come they HAD to put in a final mix for BBS when thankfully BBS is the only time when we actually got North American exclusives, but NO.......the Japanese have to beat us to it and get new stuff that we don't have. *sigh* I wonder if the Secret Ending will have anything to do with Kingdom Hearts 3 or 3DS despite Versus XIII hasn't been finished yet. But still, why does Nomura deny the making of BBS FM when it's already being planned for release??? Lightning XIII 22:51, September 16, 2010 (UTC)Lightning XIII

for the record, we did get extras in kingdom hearts 1. kurt zisa, phantom, ice titan, and sephiroth. until the final mix that is

Final Mix for those who doesn't understand japanese can be quite the time killer. Why? besides the new features, we have to look at the translation guide every time we got a new ability or item lol. 17master 13:07, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Eraqus
'Cause WE WANNA SEE ARMORED ERAQUS!!!!!!!!!! because we NEVEAR WILL!!!--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 02:14, September 18, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

You see the armored figure at the end of the trailer very briefly. Go to KHInsider, right now its the first thing on the main page.02:16, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

I will see if I can get a link to it ok?Darn they removed it sorry guys I already saw it try kh.com they might have it.{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2 21:24, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

{{17master|time=12:17, September 19, 2010 (UTC)|text= sweet! Thanks alot ST :D Wow the forum on KHI is right, his armor does look like a samurai's. I wish a new trailer with better quality will come soon.}}

NA
Will this title be released in north america or has no info been found on it yet? Khruler 00:40, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

No, it won't, that's the point of the Final Mix games; they're Japanese exclusives.01:06, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well that sucks!Khruler 22:12, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Eraqus' Setiment / Remnant / Spirit / Whatever
A lot of people say the armored figure at the end is Eraqus, and if you look closely, it has the same boots as Eraqus. My question is if this guy is another secret boss or not. Vanitas' Remnant was already challenging, then the mysterious figure was near impossible, so how can they possibly make anything tougher? Mar 03:46, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

There's plenty of ways they could make a tougher boss. We don't know anything about the armored guy yet, other than that he/she briefly appears in the trailer.03:50, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * ...I think you guys are jumping the gun on calling it a secret boss. I've seen nothing official that says that, and like you say, he just appears in the trailer. For all we know it could be just Eraqus armoring up to fight Terra and they are featuring it in the trailer because, well, it's new content. If that is the case, they don't need to make it harder than the Unknown guy. (which I doubt they'd do anyway. The Unknown was a boss made so that none of them could beat it. Trying to top that would be, well, difficult, to say the least.)--Otherarrow 13:42, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * He's not at the castle, though, he's on the summit. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:13, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Fianl Mix... Not the final unfortunately
Can someone please tell me why Square Enix keep releasing Final Mix titles? This site categorizes them as remakes, but last I checked, it's not normal to announce a remake of a game, in the same month that it is released. It's not like the additional content couldn't have been programmed into the game from the start. To me, it just feels like an attempt to sell more games more than anything else, since the original games don't tend to sell as well as they should. LiLLiPaDDy  ~True tears are never seen, only hidden~  10:32, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

The game was not announced 'in the same month that it is released', since Final Mix is only for Japan, and the Japanese version of the original was released in January. But you're right about the two being very close together. 82.37.246.236 13:45, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well it's not normal to remake a game in the same year it's released, as well as in the same month the translated version is released. LiLLiPaDDy  ~True tears are never seen, only hidden~  05:17, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think it started with KHFM which was created because of all the extra content in the US version of KH, and from then it just became a tradition for the main games in the KH series to get Final Mixes. --Evnyofdeath 07:56, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

what i dont get is:WHY hasnt he released a final mix HERE65.32.75.73 10:37, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura said that he will send the final mixes to the U.S as Trump Cards, which may come... in 10-20 years.

maybe he'll make some kind of a "Final Mix collection" after Kingdom Hearts series is finished. Think about it, you can replay your past favourite KH games with full features from the original Final Mixes 17master 13:04, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

The trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNOLhecTr1g I found that on youtube, it's mirrored so they can't erase the video. ...well, maybe they can, but, uh... just check it out while it's still there :/ 17master 04:03, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Armored Eraqus confirmed
Dang, If Eraqus's keyblade wasn't in the way, I'd totally make a talk bubble image out of that screenshot.