Talk:Neku Sakuraba

Death
Personally, I choose to interpret "in the world of KH there is no concept of death" to only apply where the Heartless or the Keyblade are concerned/involved. (Unless Nomura means "death" as "cessation of existence" here, else the Underworld, Mufasa's death, and any others I'm forgetting would make no sense.) -- 15:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. If there is no death, then what has happened to the slain villains? I know that Lady Tremaine and her daughters would have become Heartless by now, thanks to their hearts being almost-100% darkness, but for everyone else? Uxie   Lover   1994  15:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It may be confusing now, but always remember we don't have the full picture yet. There are holes left which I begin to suspect are intentional. A "cessation of existence" may indeed not be possible as Hades apparently could summon any "dead" being he wanted. Uxie, most of the slain villains can apparently brought back if you know th exact way how and have enough power, as seen with Ursula, Maleficent or Oogie Boogie as an example. The things that we are missing is simply the explanations for that.
 * Okay, GREAT. We definitely need to post that quote as a citation on the Universe page.
 * The way I'm interpreting it, it basically means that there is no complete death. Everything can be brought back, even if it was organically "dead", like the pirates or Auron. It might be in general, or just for these specific characters, but Sora can also revive the disappeared by waking them from his heart. Basically, Nomura is trying to say that in KH there is no concept of total, final death, cessation of existence, as there is in our world -- instead, its basically D&D Death, which is only mildly more irritating than a broken limb. 19:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Pre-release
Are we quite absolutely certain that this article should be up already? Don't we all remember the mess with Eraqus and the others before BbS was released?

I don't think we should be posting any articles on new characters until they are given a commitment to being in the release, like being in the Famitsu issues. That was our standard last time -- getting special coverage in the magazines counted as commitment, appearing in a trailer or demo did not. I'm really, really uncomfortable with us setting up whole pages for cameo characters the second we get a whiff of them, and I had thought we had all learned from that last time. 15:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * For starters, Neku is a main character. We could've done the same for Quasimodo, but we didn't. We had trouble with the supporting characters and often had to remove the page for Jaq — I, for one, have made sure this did not happen again. But with Neku? First of all, we wonder where that scan and all the other KH3D scans actually came from. Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  15:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) How do we know he is a main character? Have SE made that announcement themselves?
 * 2) How does that change anything? Why are we setting up half-empty pages for characters that we've only seen one cutscene of? Why are not staying faithful to our verifiability and reliability policies?
 * 3) What happened to us agreeing to keep any necessary updates on the game's own page until release, when can actually do any of this responsibly?
 * 4) What happened to us all remembering that this is not a news site, it's an Encyclopedia? 15:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

As always, the point is this: by posting this page, we are trying to extrapolate meaning and make guesses based on one instant of a character's story. For all we know, this cutscene could be the least meaningful part of the character's plot, and yet the page is going to remain defined by our initial impressions here, like always ends up doing. Instead of us being patient and making informed decisions in how we write the page, we're grabbing at scraps. Even worse, we are relying on trailers and demos, which almost by definition are preliminary and subject to change.

Then there's just the question of, why is it so damn important to have the article published in the mainspace "NOW"? Why can't it remain as a draft in the userspace until it, I don't know, has any measure of reliability or usefulness?

I just don't get why every time we start getting info about a game, we have to go through this whole song and dance before we get made to look foolish by posting trivial or false things, when we could just be patient and wait until we can do this wisely. It's not like there's any kind of dearth for other stuff to work on in the mean time. 15:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I bear in mind that we don't put speculation in — we simply put in what's there. A standard cameo FF character would still have a page longer than this. Like it or not, when we put the page up, it'll be a stub until someone edits it and makes it complete. If there's been any speculation on the page whatsoever, or unsourced information, please edit as you see fit. That screen should have enough translations to get it running, but I'll respect it if you don't wish for the page to be up. Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  15:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, there is no explicitly unsourceable bits on the page yet. However, the concept I am referring to is how what we have may not be representative of his character as a whole, but by putting it up in this manner, the page will be built as if it is the defining trait of his character.
 * I guess, what do the admins think, then? 16:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I've no idea. True that we can't focus entirely on what we have, though. Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  16:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)