Talk:Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance

Square Enix announces a new project in the Kingdom Hearts series, Kingdom Hearts 3D exclusively for Nintendo 3DS


LOS ANGELES (June 15, 2010) — Square Enix Co., Ltd. (SQUARE ENIX) announced today KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title) for Nintendo 3DS™.

With a colorful cast of characters appearing in the Disney worlds in 3D, players can delve into a lifelike story and world in KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title). Get to better know all the familiar and beloved characters through this title.

Additional details will be announced at a later date.

About KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title)

Title: KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title) Platform: Nintendo 3DS Genre: RPG Release date: TBD Suggested Retail Price: TBD ESRB: RP (Rating Pending) Copyright: © Disney. Developed by SQUARE ENIX

Just a question, If it's for the 3ds (which I've never heard of) would it work on a normal DS as well? --173.64.12.25 22:11, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

i'm hoping that it will be playable on the normal ds, it just wont have the 3d effects to it. or maybe they'll make two versions of the game, but considering this game is being made for the 3ds it probably won't.--Soul reaper magnum 09:14, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

i hope that's how it is, and i think that the 3d effects being optional is a great idea. especially for people like me that don't like 3d effects in games.--Soul reaper magnum 03:28, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

The 3DS is entirely different hardware. It's not just the 3D effects that separate it from the DS. The game won't be playable on the (soon to be outdated) DS. 98.245.249.137 05:53, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Unlock
Can someone unlock the page for a minute or two? I need to make a small edit.-- Ninja Sheik  18:26, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The page should be locked only to IP's (it's times like this I wish you could select a group of regular users to be allowed editing rights when something's sysop-only). There are a few tweaks and additions to the article I'd like to make, as well. - Eternal  Nothingness  XIII  18:44, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I know its protect so people don't speculate and stuff, but I won't take long. It's just a very tiny edit.-- Ninja Sheik  18:57, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * All I wanted to do was add a list of characters confirmed to appear, and a descripition of the trailer based on how IGN described it. - Eternal  Nothingness  XIII  19:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) If a page is locked due to constant edit warring, you're supposed to present your edit on the talk page so that the admin can add it, not ask for it to be unlocked and relocked several times. Not yelling, or anything, but that's the accepted way to do it. Could you please present your edits?
 * 2) There aren't any confirmed characters yet, are there? We just have a short trailer, that shows Sora and Riku. I think they could always remove that at any time, considering they had the Awakening and Deep Jungle in the CoM promotional materials, Great Crest in the KH2 trailers, Pinocchio's world and servant Nobodies in Days, etc... It's way to early in the development process to be claiming we have any confirmed info. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:38, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts 3DS is not RE:Coded
In case you guys may be confused, Kingdom Hearts on the 3DS is not a 3d version of RE:Coded. It is an entirely different game (which is Awesome!) If you want some proof you can follow this link....



Original Title
Square Enix producer Shinji Hashimoto has confirmed that KH3D is an original title, not another rehash. http://www.khinsider.com/latest/kingdom-hearts-3d-at-e3-2010.html

I don't want to take anything from the demo trailer too seriously, but Sora having a dream about Twilight Thorn is pretty out there. After reading the trailer summary, the only missing piece is a description of Sora after he wakes up. Is it still KH1 Sora or is it KH2 Sora? If it's KH1 Sora then I don't know what to think, but if it's KH2 Sora then 3D is probably the sequel to Coded/ Re:coded. It will be the game about the "pieces laying where they fell" and Sora "picking up the pieces" and the "boy who is connected to everyone/thing" and "returning to the Darkness to free those who are crippled" and all of that.--XYZ. 16:07, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well here's my opinion, and its only speculation and what I WANT to have happen rather than what the game really may be, but my guess is that this game is like what's going on inside Sora's head while he was spending a year in hibernation after CoM. I don't think that the series is quite ready for the point where Sora is "picking up the pieces where they fell", because he's still in his KH1 clothing and appearance, and if what happens after coded is supposed to come after KHII he would have the older appearance and new clothes right? But it seems like it would make sense that this may be a dream world for Sora because if you think about it, the appearance of the Twilight Thorn might coincide with Roxas fighting the Twilight Thorn in KHII and the fact that its going on with Roxas would explain why its going on in Sora's head. Once again, this is just a guess of mine and no one really has to take it seriously, but I don't want another huge sequel that involves a bunch of Soras falling from the sky and him looking like he did in KH1. I suppose we'll find out soon enough though. Axel&#39;s Sentiment 19:10, June 17, 2010 (UTC)Axel's Sentiment
 * If it's because of the fight with Roxas and the Twilight Thorn, then the Twilight Thorn would have to be the final boss, and I don't think they would show us him this early. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:58, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

No I'm not entirely sure of that, although you make a good point, but I'm just making the point that it might show the link between Sora and Roxas. And as for Riku, his story might be the story of what he does while Sora is asleep, or something like that. Axel&#39;s Sentiment 21:37, June 17, 2010 (UTC)Axel's Sentiment
 * We've already seen what Riku did while Sora was asleep. And if the "appearance of the Twilight Thorn coincides with Roxas fighting the Twilight Thorn", then it would have to be Sora's final boss, because that was Roxas's second to last day, as I recall. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:12, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if we go by the logic of "if Sora's dream relates to Roxa's actions," then the final boss of the game would have to be Axel, because he is the last enemy faced in Roxas's story. Tamroc7 00:27, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Here's more information:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/18/nomura_on_kh_3ds/

Here's the gist of it:
 * Kingdom Hearts 3D's development started with Square Enix hearing the general details of the 3DS system from Nintendo. They wanted to make a quick demo. Nomura already had a general framework for some gameplay systems and a story that he felt would match the 3DS's visual expression. Thus began the Kingdom Hearts 3D project.


 * While the name "Kingdom Hearts 3D" isn't a final name, it does have something to do with the final name. The "3D" in this placeholder title does not stand for "3 Dimension," said Nomura, but is an abbreviation for the game's subtitle.


 * Famitsu noted that while the game's E3 demo shows Sora and Riku as they appear in the first Kingdom Hearts game, they're presented in some situations that would be impossible for the first game. Replied Nomura to this, "This is because it's not a remake, but a completely original game. This time, Sora and Riku are the two main characters. We're currently in the process of selecting new worlds."


 * Nomura said that the story would be something unexpected, something that to a certain extent breaks the developments that have taken place according to fan expectation. However, he did say that Re: Coded, the upcoming DS remake of Coded, would have some hints.

Not very revealing, but I'm pretty sure this is a sequel to Coded. A game about Sora's memories returning while he sleeps in the Memory Pod would be an uh interesting twist, I guess, but that could also be disastrous. Overall, it would be entirely pointless. Not to mention Nomura stated he's picking new worlds. That pretty much rules out a dream game. --XYZ. 02:40, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Soooooo it's time travel. Apparently Sora is "reconnecting" everything by going back and keeping the bad things from happening.
 * It does have precedent in the series (Timeless River), and it would fit exactly with "breaks the developments that have taken place", as well as following directly from coded's ending, and explains why there would be new worlds that should be impossible for Sora to have gone to.
 * I betcha. I betcha. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:43, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

If you recall, before Sora and co. enter the door to Timeless River, Merlin warns them not to succumb to dark influences. I'm pretty sure that meddling with events that already occurred to alter the timeline and course of the KH universe's history is what he meant by dark. And now that you got me started on a total rant, Nomura has suggested that once a Heartless has been destroyed and the Heart returns to Kingdom Hearts, and the matching Nobody fades away, the Heart and Body can reunite in Kingdom Hearts and the complete being can be reborn. Although that has yet to happen, it totally ruins the idea of permanence within the series. And then to add Sora going back in time to alter history would just flat out ruin the series.--XYZ. 03:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are completely right. A time-traveling based game would likely be the final nail in the coffin, or at least another huge step downwards.
 * I still think that's what he's hinting at. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:22, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

"'KH3D' will be a title that enters a new step to follow the three games whose production was announced simultaneously, '358/2 Days, Birth by Sleep, and Coded." -Tetsuya Nomura

I rest my case.--XYZ. 01:25, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * ... I betcha KrytenKoro is right. I betcha. -- 05:28, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Logo Trivia
Aside from the "3D Demo" subtitle, the logo's letters are practically identical to Chain of Memories'.--XYZ. 02:43, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Information
I'm guessing by now everyone saw this. Don't we need to put more information about it? And can someone unlock the page, already?-- Ninja Sheik  19:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

3D!?!
From what Nomura has told us, KH3D will be N3DS exclusive.--ΧƳƵach. 17:06, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo just wants to sell more versions of the Ds, and they apparently want KH3D to be a special game. --Axel Lives On 17:10, June 19, 2010 (UTC) The N3DS will most likely serve as the NDS' successor. The NDS is already the 2nd best selling console in the history of ever, right after PS2, so now try to imagine how well it will sell with 3D effect graphics and all of the features of the different models put together, but mostly with the 3D effect graphics. KH3DS is not a special game, have you read any of Nomura's interviews about it? Well I guess there is only one. What happened was he heard about the magic of the N3DS and threw some material together for a Demo. I doubt Nintendo is complaining about getting one of the better selling franchises onto their system, but Nomura actually went to them about it this time.--ΧƳƵach. 17:16, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

All of the articles about the N3DS state it as backward compatible with both NDS game and NDSi Ware. This would insinuate the N3DS games beings N3DS exclusive.--ΧƳƵach. 17:22, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

True. I mean, 3D with no special glasses!?!? That's pretty cool. It says that the game will link up the recent KH games: And that they will also have new worlds in the game, but both Destiny Islands & Traverse Town have been seen. --Axel Lives On 17:23, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Coded
 * 2) 358/2 Days
 * 3) Birth by Sleep

The 3DS is a successor to the NDS line just because it have the word DS in it doesnt mean it is a redesign like the DS lite or DSi

not a remake and new worlds
Already confirmed here, but thanks!--ΧƳƵach. 16:55, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Trailer
No the trailer was shown on the 3DS so people couldn't video it you will have to wait until they show it to everyone

New Famitsu Article
- This game is not a remake, it is a brand new entry in the Kingdom Hearts Series.

- This is the next stage of the franchise after Coded/358/BbS.

- Sora and Riku will be the playable characters in the game, and they will be visiting new worlds.

- There will be various hints relating to this game hidden in Re:Coded.

- There should be more information and announcements at next year's E3. Pretty skimpy.--ΧƳƵach. 15:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blank Points
This is the game featured in Blank Points, the young Sora and Riku are prototypes i just figured it out the 3 games, Re:coded= remake, can't be Blank Points, KH3= no info and Nomura said KH3 IS the last game in the trio and not Blank Points so this game is it.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 15:47, July 8, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Wait, when did Nomura state that KHIII was not Blank Points?

Not that I don't believe you, but I would like proof. Though, if you are right, it would make KH3D a good prologue to KHIII... Tamroc7 00:39, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Creation
I thought i would tell you all that I MADE THIS PAGE! just so you know and your not wondering who made this page--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 19:27, July 15, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

congratulations...?--87.68.153.19 01:56, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's your point, Chihuahua? I mean, that's great and all, but... uh... so? -- 18:26, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

So? If you hadn't done it somebody else would.... - JTD95 18:31, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your work, Chihuahua. We really appreciate it. Glorious  CHAOS!  18:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Title
User:One-Winged Angel|10:42 July 20, 2010|3D = 3 Doors ? Door to Light, Door to Darkness, and another door (Door to Nothingness?). What do you guys think?

Pure speculation. unless we get a real title with confirmation from Tetsuya Nomura, the title is not going to be changed.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 18:59, July 20, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

I think if there were 3 Doors it would be Door to Light, Door to Darkness, and Door to Oblivion (meaning door to ven) but that's just my thoughts.[8:20 October 7, 2010] Infernoxgt

3 Doors, 3 Destinies, 3 Destinations or as the 3 could be third 3rd Door, 3rd Destiny, 3rd Destination, 3rd Darkness( a new enemy in darkness as the nobodies were inbetween or nothingness thus a new enemy in darkness being the third.) Hope this helped your speculation. - Xander19

hold it, hold it! I just thought of something similar: It COULD be a third enemy that sora and Co face. the heartless represent darkness, the nobodies represent "in-between" or nothingness. what IF the third enemy represents LIGHT?? I know it doesn't sound very likely but it does make sense in some cases. the unversed don't exist anymore because Vanitas bit the dust, so they're out of the picture. therefore a third enemy made of light would balance out the scales a bit. User:Chaosmage1

New KH 3D information.
From an interview with Nomura from Dengeki magazine:


 * KH3D was created after Nintendo approached Tetsuya Nomura. Nomura has a unique idea for this game.
 * KH3D will occur in the same timeline as current games.
 * The two main characters will be Sora and Riku. Throughout the game, the two appear to be "alternating", creating a system of two people.
 * This story is full of mystery, and will be beyond expectations. Due to the timeline, players will have to think hard about the idea, as to not *be fooled.
 * The player will realise the scenario in time, but for the meanwhile it will be a mystery twist.
 * Nomura cannot reveal more information at this time.
 * The 3D system will be taken advantage of, but more cannot be said at this time.
 * The theme of the game is "trust".

It's not much, but we can't ask for too much because Re:Coded still has to come out. And it does provide proof that KH3D occurs in the same timeline as current games. So until more information is out, enjoy what we now know. Tamroc7 21:47, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

My favorite line in that interview (which is not in your summary and i'm too lazy to find a link to,) Is that Nomura wants "A Riku that flies, and a Sora that falls." Which is also the lamest multiple language pun I'd have expected from him.204.211.185.107 19:16, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Fill in the blanks
Okay, IO read in the Ansem reports the other day that there are four unexplained asences in the series: Xehanort befor HKI, Roxas between CoM and KHII, Mickey after KHII, and Riku before some other instance (sorry, it's a miracle I remembered the other three. Maybe Namine's messin' with my head?) The first three are already explained in BBS, 358/2 days, and :Coded. Anyone who agrees this one'll account for Rikus absencem say aye!

These are explained! Hello!? Xehanort before KHI is Terra, Roxas between CoM&KHII is 358/2 Days, Mickey after KHII is Coded! Pay attention to the series! --One-Winged Angel 01:55, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry! I was just stating that every other absence WAS explained (even though the page said unexplained)But if you read other comments on this page, I think my theory is slightly more sound. Sorry for typos and I know they were explained. Do you agree or not?

Oops. I'm...Sorry. I'm developing a bad habit of partially reading things so I didn't see you say they were explained. I think part of it is that I'm confused on how you seem to say Roxas, Mickey, and Riku are mentioned in the A. Reports? --One-Winged Angel 02:08, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, check the Riku page. I checked again and it said in the Ansen Reports, every other ansence but Riku's durring KHI (We've got no idea how he got the the other side of Kingdom Hearts door). And it's alright. I just hope someone agrees.


 * My mistake. It was the Directors Report No. XIII. Sorry 'bout that.
 * No, it said "The period of Mickey's absence", which refers to either Mickey obtaining the Keyblade or what he did between CoM and KH2, neither of which have been really covered. Glorious  CHAOS!  02:17, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I triple checked and it specifically says this period was explained in Coded. Check for yourself. Also, I'm surprised seeing you here. I'm Wh!te$tar on Digimon wiki!
 * That's really odd, then, because Nomura specifically said that he was referring to when Mickey was in the Realm of Darkness. What page said it had been explained? Glorious  CHAOS!  04:21, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I already said, on the Riku page. It says so right in the trivisa that becusae every other absence was covered by a game, odds are one of the three unconfirmed games (most likely this one due to the KHI style characters) will fill his absence in.--Wh!te$tar 04:29, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've corrected it. Honestly, since you can play as Riku, this would fit more as his story, but Mickey's still hasn't been done. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:58, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

so there is going to be Re:coded, 3D, and KHIII right?Oh,how the sea calls 05:56, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are no plans for KH3. What Nomura actually said was "Two projects which are not KH3", as he clarified in the GameInformer interview. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:20, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

What a bust. Oh,how the sea calls 06:44, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

THANK YOU!!! Now that we've got that cleared up, Nomura already stated KH3D was one of the three unconfirmed games. He specifically stated re:Coded was not one of those games. Finally, he said KHIII WAS one of those games, but it's still in conceptual stages. that being said, THERE'S STILL ONE MORE GAME TO LOOK FORWARD TO!!! ZOMG!--Wh!te$tar 19:02, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, he specifically clarified in the GameInformer interview that he had been mistranslated by fansites, and that KH3 was "not even in the conceptual stages", and that there were absolutely no plans to do it as of now - like the situation for Birth by Sleep right after KH1 came out. It will probably be released, but no one, at all, is thinking about it right now. He also pretty heavily implicated that Re:Coded was one of the two upcoming games, as he said it was a special treat for North America. So, we pretty much know already what the hinted games are. Glorious  CHAOS!  02:47, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

"'Translations of your interview in the Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep Ultimania seem to confirm that Kingdom Hearts III is coming along with two other games.' / Tetsuya Nomura: 'Kingdom Hearts III is not a confirmed title. I actually phrased my answer for the Ultimania 'two titles other than III' to avoid speculation that we were working on Kingdom Hearts III.' / Bryan Vore: 'Are there any hints you can provide about these games?' / Tetsuya Nomura: 'Hints would give away too much, and for Kingdom Hearts we're contractually obligated to keep any information that has not been officially released under wraps. However, I can say one of the two projects mentioned above came into existence because we wanted to do something for the North American fans, so we'll be announcing it at E3.'"


 * Okay. I was reading off wikipedia, so I guess it was wrong. But I've got a question. Does anyone think this'll explain Riku's absence or not!?!

The problem is: what Mickey was doing between BbS and KHI? OK, he was in the Realm of Darkness, finding Kingdom Key D. But he took ten years to do that? And he didin't met with Aqua? I guess he did something else in the mid time.


 * He was probably still training with Yen Sid. But this thread isn't about mickey or translations. It's about Riku! Do any of you guys even think my theory might be correct or not? I mean, c'mon. I read the other theories and they just don't make much sense to me. Is my idea THAT outrageous?--Wh!te$tar 00:08, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think the "period of Riku's absence" that Nomura was referring to is the period between CoM and KHII, which was partly explained during 358/2 Days. Sure, we don't know EVERYTHING that he did or the inexplicable aging mere days after the events of CoM, but you do see an overall view of just what Riku was doing while working for DiZ.

So I'm not jumping to any conclusions on what 3D is about, but I think that Riku's story has been told already.Tamroc7 13:18, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but i still disagree. Sorry, but so far everyone's just been saying they think Riku's story is over. And it is a pretty big deal to me. I mean, can you honestly say you don't care about how Riku got intO Kingdom Hearts a mere few days after Xehanort's Heartless took over him. Secondly how did he escape Kingdom Hearts and get to Castle Oblivion? It's a plot hole you could drive a truck through!--Wh!te$tar 21:07, September 3, 2010 (UTC)`

I admit you make some good points, but there are some holes in your theory. The data we have on the game states it will present sora and riku in events that would be Impossible for the first game. I mean come on folks, twilight thorns don't usually appear in traverse town, and neither did riku, he apeared in hollow bastion first according to Com/Re:com. also Nomura revealed in an interview that the "Sora" here will not be the same Sora that we are familiar with. also to me, it just looks like a game where stuff from the other games is just smushed together for fun, i could be wrong, but its just what it seems to me. with the other games we could easily figure out how the games were connected to a certain degree. but this one has me stumped. it doesn't seem to fit with the other games, probably due to the old wardrobe. but come on! why would sora give up his drive forms for his old attire when his old attire is a drive form AKA limit form. I'm not trying to start anything or sound stupid but i just don't get ANYTHING about this game!! Chaosmage1

Why on earth is every characters 'Kingdom Hearts 3D' Story part in Other Appearances?
It's not that we don't think it's part of the canon, it's just that we don't know HOW it fits in with the rest of the story. No one knows how and when it takes place just yet, and the fact that Sora and Riku are presented in their KHI incarnations doesn't help us. So until we get a solid definition of when this takes place, it's in the "Other Appearances" section.

Besides, it was a demo. There's a chance that Nomura may make the final product look entirely different. Tamroc7 13:12, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * That, and we only have a few screenshots and descriptions available - we don't even have access to the demo or trailer itself. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:05, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

TGS?
Hey, i was just wondering... will Kingdom Hearts 3D be shown at the upcoming TGS??? I sure hope so...--65.126.116.219 02:24, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sadly, there won't be a playable demo. The 3rd Birthday, Dissidia 2, and Re:Coded have that honor. However, they may show the E3 Trailer here, and maybe some details will be shown.

Of course, the 3DS may not even be there, but only time will tell. Tamroc7 02:47, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

KH3D has been featured in the TGS, and this is what we know:


 * Release date is somewhere in Spring 2012.
 * Sora and Riku have new clothes.
 * Neku from TWEWY is a party member.
 * Our new enemies, indicated by the new sign on the KH3D promotional background, are called Dream Eaters.

Much of the info we got from KHInsider, though other sites have been mentioning it as well. I covered the pictures and news on KHWiki's Twitter feed, but it's all thanks to 17master for prompting me to get info. Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  08:23, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I've added the release date, new clothing, and Neku appearing in the game. And now we need sources that say Neku is a party member, the new enemies' name are Dream Eaters, and about having the bat and the dog as a support/party member to actually add the info on the article. 10:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Haven't we got the screenshot for Neku? Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  10:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, yes but he's only shown in several cutscenes and most sources only state that he will appear in the game... They don't say he will appear as a party member. Maybe if there's a screenshot that shows his health bar in a battle we can be convinced :/ 10:42, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I asked for the screenshot mainly because of translation, more than anything else. Or if there is footage from the TGS proper, it'll be greatly helpful. Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  10:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, a trailer or footage would be REALLY helpful right now... I can't shake off this feeling of excitement, and tons of questions are flowing in my hea- *head explodes* But seriously, a footage, renders (which SE will hopefully put on the website), or high quality screenshots would be the perfect source for now. 10:56, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't there have been a trailer for KH3D at the very least? Or are they reluctant to render 3D footage into 2D for purposes of the trailer? Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  11:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it's only the first day of the Show and we have 3 more days, so anything could happen... Yeah, I think they'll show a footage or a trailer. 11:43, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Uh? Didn't you already read the trailer-description from here: http://www.kh2.co.uk/kingdom-hearts-3d/news/kingdom-hearts-3d-trailer-description.php? Furthermore, there is said to be a closed theater with a full blown DDD Trailer for just 80 people presumed to be at the TGS 12:03, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ...Oh yeah I didn't notice the trailer part. My bad. 12:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, side note — should we archive the other inactive sections? Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  11:42, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, most of the discussions are inactive and it's getting full here.

Famitsu interview
The next issue of Famitsu Weekly will include an interview with the director of the Kingdom Hearts series, Tetsuya Nomura. Heartsation has translated a summary of this interview and at the bottom 3D was mentioned: - The next title is Kingdom Hearts 3D. The story takes place after Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded. Now that Re:Coded is over the Osaka team is meeting up and beginning development.

So it seems like that KH3D takes place after Re:Coded - JTD95 13:00, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure they didn't mean the development or situation takes place after Re:coded? The next line doesn't tie in as well unless that's what they meant. Glorious  CHAOS!  13:05, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

The story takes place after Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded I would say that means 3D takes place after Re:coded - JTD95 13:18, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, and Heartstation also translated Nomura saying that KH3 would come out soon. We all know how that ended up. Glorious  CHAOS!  13:53, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Somehow I got the feeling that this will be another data-based game again like Re:Coded... just saying tho 17master 14:40, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think that they are just prototypes for the trailer, just to keep players interested.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 23:39, September 21, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Just wait until the interview actually comes out to see whether or not he mentions it taking place after Re:coded.

Of course, I still stand behind the theory that some information may come out with the 3DS's release date news, which should be on the 29th, so we may get some solid answers. (But then again, this is Nomura we're talking about.) Tamroc7 02:15, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Why would we get solid answers with Nomura *cough* BBSFM *cough*--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 14:16, September 23, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Nomura said they weren't planning to make a FM to BBS. Also, he's not the only one to chose if they'll make a FM or not. Maybe some of his bosses said they had to make one... - JTD95 23:15, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

The Nintendo 3ds conference
Ok, I don't know how someone has already done this to the article, but no were in that short interview did nomura say Anything that we have in the trivia section. (that and it directly contradicts previous interviews.66.56.199.131 20:08, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura: "Though it seems a tentative name, we have included "3D" in the new Kingdom Hearts game title. It also includes "3" which implies that this may be the third iteration of Kingdom Hearts. You'll be able to see what kind of game it will be like from this tentative name. With the encounters, and the contacts with others as the game's theme, you will grow with the character, with the characters in the game. But it's not Sora, whom you are familiar with. This time, you will realize growth by the effects of someone else. It's a unique, and more than a bit of a strange system, that we are trying to build this time. There are limits on the things that we can do in the universe of Kingdom Hearts, but the things we cannot do, we'd like to try them in other software. Starting from Kingdom Hearts, I'd like to work on several titles for the Nintendo 3DS."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxITx-e7Qzo&feature=player_embedded

Previous interviews indicate that Sora and Riku will be the main characters.204.211.185.107 14:43, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean Sora and Riku won't be the main characters. It could just mean that, while we play as them, nothing really important happens to them, and that, like in Days with Xion, we see the important things happening to somebody else.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  14:53, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

well yeah, previous. The game's on development, there's bound to be mistakes and revisions. Nomura himself states that the main character won't be the same Sora we knew 17master 14:55, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

READ WHAT WAS POSTED. WATCH THE VIDEO. HE DIDN'T SAY THAT. All that aside, Nomura changes bit's and pieces sure, most of the trailers and concept art show differences from the finished project. But Nomura says that mostly he thinks of gameplay first before story and;

204.211.185.107 15:10, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * KH3D was created after Nintendo approached Tetsuya Nomura. Nomura has a unique idea for this game.
 * KH3D will occur in the same timeline as the current games.
 * The Two main characters will be Sora and Riku. Throughout the game the two appear to be "alternating", creating a system of two people.
 * Nomura wants "A Riku that flies, a Sora that falls."
 * This story will be full of mystery and will beyond expectations. Due to the timeline, players will have to think hard about the idea, as to not be fooled.
 * The player will realise the scenario in time, but for the meanwhile it will be a mystery twist.
 * Nomura cannot reveal more information at this time.
 * The 3d system will be taken advantage of, but more cannot be said at this time.
 * The Theme of the game is "trust".

http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/152336-nomura-interview-fully-translated.html 204.211.185.107 15:15, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

CALM DOWN what we mean is Sora and Riku are the main characters, BUT the "Sora" in the game is not the Sora we knew. Meaning that it might be an alternate form of Sora, like Data Sora. We didn't specifically said those two won't be the main character, we just pointed out that the Sora here is most likely will not be the same Sora we know. 17master 15:20, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't say that there is a different Sora.

"You will realize growth by the effects of someone else."

we didn't say he will be different, we said he MIGHT be different. Nomura did state this Sora is not who we are familiar with 17master 15:44, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

you mean... parallel universe? 17master 16:05, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

What Nomura meant by a Sora that falls and a Riku that flies?--Xabryn 16:07, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Xabryn, It's a pun. because "Sora" is the japanese word for sky, and "Riku" is the japanese word for land. so, a "Flying land" and "Falling sky" implies, among other things, that their usual positions would be reversed. Also, I can't help but think that the part in the 3DS conference talking about characters has more to do with gameplay and how the characters "grow" and "level up", than anything else. http://www.siliconera.com/2009/12/28/is-this-one-of-tetsuya-nomuras-unannounced-games/

He doesn't say that this Sora is not the one we know, he says that growth is realised not by Sora but by "someone else".204.211.185.107 17:03, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

And now back to how this all started: Someone please change the Trivia.Preferably with ALL the interviews (as posted above.) included with EXACT transcript of what he said in the 3DS conference.204.211.185.107 17:26, October 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) That was just for the E3 demo, which was specifically put together to not provide plot information. Sora and Riku's appearances are subject to change.
 * 2) We don't know jack about what KH3 will be about.76.4.4.167 00:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Really, Have none of you realized what Nomura is saying?

Nomura: " With the encounters, and the contacts with others as the game's theme, you will grow with the character, with the characters in the game. But it's not Sora, whom you are familiar with. This time, you will realize growth by the effects of someone else."

He is not saying that we will be unfamiliar with this Sora, He is saying that We are already familiar with Sora, and you're not going to grow with Sora, because we use him or encounter him, and grow with him in every KH game! and Now we are going to realize the growths of someone else! PS. RtG

The more I think about it, the more that battles system makes sense.204.211.185.107 14:25, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

European release date?
How come the Publisher(s) and Release date(s) pages only has Japan's, USA's and Canada's flags, but not Europe's? Oh gawd, please don't tell me KH3D is Re:CoM all over again... --84.249.211.221 18:40, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

...I mean in the way that it'll be only released in Japan and North America, but not Europe. Sorry, I thought it was obvious. --84.249.211.221 19:42, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

The European flag isn't there because 3D so far hasn't been confirmed to come here yet. Obviously it will be released in Japan, and since it was shown at E3 that pretty much confirms it to be released in the US and Canada too. I'm sure the game will come to Europe too, it just isn't confirmed yet...

Also, the thing you said about KH3D being like Re:Com all over again, it was pretty obvious what you actually meant... - JTD95 19:55, October 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * ...I don't care whether or not it'll be released in NA. My main question is "Since the European flag doesn't appear in the Publisher(s) and Release date(s) sections, will KH3D be released in Europe or not?"

In other words, will Square give us Europeans the middle finger yet again, or not? --84.249.211.221 20:20, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

He's not talking about Re:Coded, he's talking about KH3D

^Which is even less likely to not receive an international release.204.211.185.107 12:43, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

New 3D news
• The atmosphere in KH3D will be different from other titles. • There will be new worlds. • Re:Coded's ending and BBS' secret movies give hints as to what Sora has to do in future titles. • KH3D will be close to how CoM had a story for Sora and Riku, but it's not like they are going to be separated in this adventure. • Nomura wants to add three new "elements" to KH3D, things that wouldn't be possible to do on any console other than Nintendo 3DS. • Nomura is thinking about more titles apart from KH3D.

Again, we don't get much, but it sounds like Sora is still a main character. Tamroc7 17:09, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ergh. It sounds like Riku will be a permanent party member. I hope not. Do we have a source for this? So x ra  ]] 16:03, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * ,i think it's more like you swtch backand forth between the two, which sounds awesome --ShadowsTwilight 16:48, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Editing
Almost everything on the page is speculation - we need to clean things up. We don't know anything about the game in actuality, because the trailer has been called a tech demo.69.208.82.249 17:45, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Interviews regarding the game have revealed some, but you're right that the information from the demo is subject to further scrutiny.76.4.4.167 23:31, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Except for "it will feature both Sora and Riku as playable characters, although using their Kingdom Hearts designs", everything on this page is a result of an interview or, in the case of the Trailer subsection, information taken directly from the trailer (and it belongs in this section; it hasn't spread to being regarded as canon). There isn't much if any speculation on this page in that respect. So x  ra  ]] 23:34, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, a staffer needs to fix it, it's loaded with unconfirmed stuff. LightRoxas 02:22, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * everything on this page is a result of an interview or, in the case of the Trailer subsection, information taken directly from the trailer (and it belongs in this section; it hasn't spread to being regarded as canon). There isn't much if any speculation on this page in that respect.

I really hate repeating stuff... maggosh 02:29, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura: " With the encounters, and the contacts with others as the game's theme, you will grow with the character, with the characters in the game. But it's not Sora, whom you are familiar with. This time, you will realize growth by the effects of someone else."

He is not saying that we will be unfamiliar with this Sora, He is saying that We are already familiar with Sora, and you're not going to grow with Sora, because we use him or encounter him, and grow with him in every KH game! So, we can't grow that much with Sora anymore, because we already know Sora, who he is as a person, how he behaves, some of his likes and dislikes, etc. We know/ "ARE FAMILIAR WITH" Sora already! Now we are going to realize the growths of someone else! I said this a long time ago. SO,

Whether or not what he meant still seems "vague" to you, you need to remove that line from the Trivia, since you're not sure what Nomura is saying, PS. RtG:

I have removed the speculation. Number XIII - LightRoxas - The Key of Destiny 21:59, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

What we know so far...
I'm not gonna add on to this section. But could SOMEONE please make a list of every single rumor and confirmation about 3D in this section? Like this:
 * What we know:
 * Sora, Kairi, and Riku are all in the game.
 * The game is directly connected to Reconnect: Kingdom Hearts
 * The development team from BBS is also working on 3D
 * Most worlds will be all new!
 * Rumors:
 * Mickey is in the game(btw im not actually saying he is, its just an example so everyone knows what im saying)

If someone could just do this that would be perfect. --Jacobmirror 20:39, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Everything we know is listed in the article. As for rumors...well, I'm officially starting the rumor that Kingdom Hearts 3D will introduce Disney Channel worlds, and Sora dumps Kairi for Hannah Montanna. And then actually goes to Montanna, and realizes that he should be dating...let's say Joey Fatone. BUT THEN HE MARRIES JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE AND THEY FUSE TOGETHER INTO A HYBRID SORA/NSYNC BEAST.

That is why it's always a bad idea to catalogue rumors. (ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  21:16, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, i was talking about something different than what you were thinking i was saying. Nevermind. Forget it...rude. --Jacobmirror 20:09, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless of what you meant, it is always pointless to catalogue information that is, by definition, completely divorced from facts and sources.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  01:30, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

After reading This article, I'm wondering if KH3D takes place after Re:Coded then that could explain their original KH appearance because Yen Sid mentioned in Re:Coded that Mickey should bring Sora and Riku to him and take the Mark of Mastery exam, so this all could be a part of the test or could have some sort of time traveling adventure. --BurstDragon 10:37, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I doubt it, but its not a bad thought either. Definitely an interesting theory, and an interesting plot for a fanfic too. Maybe someone should write one with that plot. --Jacobmirror 22:04, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I edited the What We Know part! Roxas pwns sora47 05:23, November 25, 2010 (UTC)Roxas_pwns_sora47

New interview: relevant portions:
“Kingdom Hearts 3D revolves around the Mark of Mastery exam. At the moment we are continuing in the trial and error stage, figuring out what kind of axis the system will be based on, etc.”

“In 3D you will be able to play as Sora and Riku, but we are considering making their main operation systems different. In Chain of Memories they both used cards but they used them differently. We’re thinking about having two types of play styles like that.”

“Even though it’s a secret as to why Sora and Riku appear in their Kingdom Hearts outfits, it’s essential for the story.”

“As for the worlds, outside of Traverse Town and the other originals, we plan on making all of the Disney ones new.”

“3D is connected to Kingdom Hearts III. The plan is to show how the characters level up, along with the play system and story, they are connected to KH3. It’s fair to assume that the ending of 3D will continue into the story of KH3.”

“The Kingdom Hearts series has fundamentally been a single player game. Since it’s different than the Final Fantasy series which is founded on party play, the way the characters level up is different. Because there are various things that can and can’t be done, the things I can’t do in Final Fantasy Versus XIII I’m doing in Kingdom Hearts. Still I think those sorts of differences are there.”

I've added a few bits from this, but most of the development info still needs to be added. Also, all material added based on this interview needs to be cited to the famitsu interview, with the full quote within the cite, and "(translated by heartstation)" with a link to the translation within the cite.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  15:15, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

How much of this can we consider canon after Heartstation's last catastrophe? So x  ra  ]] 00:39, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

New Interview
OK, so Nomura recently had an interview with Nintendo Power (about KH3D), while most stuff he said was already known but he did say some new information about bevelopment etc. I tried to post the info on the article, but I can't find the interview online, so if someone can help me or just find it pleases????????? Roxas pwns sora47 05:29, November 25, 2010 (UTC)Roxas_pwns_sora47

This? 11:28, November 25, 2010 (UTC)~

YEAH! THANKS! Roxas pwns sora47 03:30, November 26, 2010 (UTC)Roxas_pwns_sora47

Confirmed 3D is about mark of mastery?
Where has it been confirmed?Thats what reconnect is about.We dont know anything about what 3D is about at all.Reconnect is about Sora and Riku doing the mark of mastery exam.And Sora going to save the ones connected to him.Kh 3D trailer appears to be NOTHING about reconnect.So isnt that speculation?Isnt this zero speculation zone? 15:28, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Reconnect is a movie, not a game; Nomura said that 3D will cover the exam. 15:37, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Could you provide a link to where it says reconnect is a movie?And where it says he said this about 3D? 15:49, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...reconnect is the name of the movie at the end of Re:coded, just like "Deep Dive" is the name of the movie at the end of KH Final Mix. The one about 3D is in the Re:coded ultimania; I don't have a link on me, though. Wikipedia might. 16:13, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Reconnect. Kingdom Hearts and I think the interview's on 3D's article's reference. 16:15, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Trivia
I'm killing at least the second one if there is not a source soon. It is completely... what's the word... speculative? 03:15, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wielding
Thats pretty interesting...wonder what made them change it.--Lugiarules100 18:10, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

About the upside-down Keyblade weilding, if you look closely in many cutscenes they do that. For example in the cutscene "The Last Bastion of Free Will" when the Lingering Will is created when it lifts the Ends of the Earth out of the ground the teeth are facing down, but Terra's fighting style has teeth facing up. Also when ever Roxas summons the Oathkeeper and Oblivion it always shows the teeth for both Keyblades facing downward but during acuall gameplay the teeth face up. So I don't really consider this to be a topic worth discussing but that's just me. LightoftheDarkness 05:00, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Primary sources?
What is a good primary source for getting KH news? I get mine from Heartssation and kh2.co.uk. -- Ax  ek  en   04:08, January 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * ...official publications are primary sources. Fansites like heartstation are secondary or even tertiary sources, and are not usable for citing. 14:51, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Not Notre Dame
Sorry to tell you guys, but that's Twilight Town, maybe there won't be new worlds after all, just original Kingdom Hearts worlds in the game. Chomper4 21:23, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Famitsu confirmed it's Notre Dame. maggosh 21:25, January 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that specific scene looks like Twilight Town (especially the square below) except that there are not that many bells in its clock tower. Plus, as maggosh noted, it's been officially confirmed.


 * Where did Famitsu confirm it? Chomper4 21:30, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * On their website. maggosh 21:32, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you please link it? Chomper4 21:34, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * maggosh 21:38, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * But it's a fan site, give me stuff that makes it not Twilight Town. Chomper4 22:32, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * You are the one who is saying we're all wrong. So, you should prove us that it is Twilight Town. BTW: I clearly recognize the Seine. But I never saw a river in Twilight Town. And where is the forest with the Haunted Mansion? And what's with these colourfull ballons? They have exactly the colours from the scene in the Hunchback. So it's obvious, don't you think?--Drace 14:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hunchback is one of my favorite Disney movies ever. I remember that inside shot of the bell tower with the rafters and the large opening to the outside. I also know, after studying French for a few years, what Paris looks like (you get shown a lotta maps of France and Paris when you're taking French classes). It's an island, and the shape seemed to feel right to my memory. As well, when he was approaching the ground, there was a medieval-style-patterned tent. Overall, my heart swelled when I realized this is proof that they're putting in Hunchback, even without confirmation. (Then again, they did want to put Pinocchio's world into 358/2 Days, and Nintendo Power even said it'd be in it, but we know what happened with that...) FT 04:00, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

There's no twilight in the sky, for one thing. Twilight Town has only one clock tower, and I'm pretty sure they don't have any bells on the top tower. And in the trailer, they were rivers. Twilight Town was bulit along a slope.-- Ninja Sheik  22:35, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * And plus...Famitsu is a magazine publisher. How you could misconstrue them as a fan site is beyond me. maggosh 22:54, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and that too. So, there's all the facts.-- Ninja Sheik  23:00, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

People the world has not been confirmed yet.Thats that end of discussion.Wait until the worlds have been confirmed.--The Dark Master 23:02, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...you need to get into the habit of reading the rest of the discussion and clicking links. maggosh 23:05, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I do read discussions.I am just saying wait until the worlds have been confirmed or when there is actual evidence that the world is in the game.--The Dark Master 23:08, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * You did click the link I posted, right? maggosh 23:11, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Too bad I can't read Japanese.--The Dark Master 23:15, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's...not something that affects whether it's a valid source, but here:

23:23, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the latest images released to the public, there is a new world that seems to be the "Bells of Notre Dame". (最新映像では、『ノートルダムの鐘』と思われる新ワールドも公開.)

And, Master, if you don't know Japanese, you can just use a oneline translator. I use it all the time.-- Ninja Sheik  23:28, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

When will a magazine show up to reveal the details of KH3D:DDD? Chomper4 19:16, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly the next Famitsu; we're not sure. And let's keep it appreviated to KH3D, okay? Don't want it to get too long. maggosh 19:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't mean online stuff. Like magazines you actually read. Chomper4 18:43, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Famitsu is a magazine. maggosh 18:44, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it may not be Notre Dame, there was an interview about it, they're not confirming any levels aside from Twilight Town just yet- maybe it's safer not to say if it's Notre Dame or Twilight Town until there's some more information? (my source is siliconera.)(Lavaros 20:27, January 29, 2011 (UTC))


 * For the umpteenth time, it's already been confirmed by Famitsu-- 22:21, January 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw part of the mural when Sora was jumping down to the ground from the cathedral. Plus, the stage where Esmeralda dances on is also there, plus, you can look at the page known as [] and compare it to the picture of Sora after jumping targeting his landing and see many similarities, I NOW KNOW IT'S OFFICIALLY NOTRE DAME! Chomper4 16:05, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ansem and Xemnas
good that you mentioned it but an interesting thing is why are those two(that one?) is appearing instead of Xehanort? Maybe a subtle hint to the extent of Xehanort's powers of darkness(it's been shown to allow some shape-shifting) or maybe those two would return somehow which isn't possible unless that dream part of the title is too literal. Xander19

Rewrite the Trailer?

 * We'll see what they saw. Chomper4 18:38, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Gameplay Gallery


Never mind.  J. Severe  ( Tryin' to find his place in the world, one wiki at a time!  ) 22:36, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

DDD Icon
I know this is likely rather meaningless, but I noticed the icon for DDD is a purple KH symbol. The logo of the game isn't purple, just the letters. The logo itself is grey. I thought that a more adequate icon would be a grey symbol like the one for CoM, with a purple 3D in the middle like the Re games. Just a thought. EnglishJoker 15:47, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you seen the logo of BBS? We didn't do it for that, and since we tend not to add lettering except for remakes and reissues, there's no reason to do it for this. -- 01:10, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea, English, but we are using "symbolic" logos, rather than accurate logos. The violet icon probably helps differentiate more. 02:27, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. It was just a thought anyway. And the BBS logo is a little different, Neumannz, because it was already light blue, so it wouldn't need the letters "BBS" to show it was "Birth by Sleep". And one other thing: it may be irrelevant, I know, but am I the only one who's willing to bet that the Kingdom Hearts III logo will be green? EnglishJoker 22:16, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe.
 * If you look closely at the heart in the BBS logo, it's actually grey. Only the words are light blue. (I remember we had a discussion about it when BBS, Days, and coded were coming out. I think DTN was the one who colored it blue...) -- 22:21, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I think it was Bluerfn. Didn't he make all of the icons?
 * Generally, the icon needs to match the color scheme of the official logo, sometimes with text to differentiate between two games of similar palettes. Also, is it just me, or does the logo look more pink than it does purple? -- 23:24, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Eh, it's in between. I took the color directly from the logo, so I wasn't really aiming for one or the other. -- 23:29, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, Neumannz, you're right. The BBS logo is grey. I guess there was so much blue in the words that the whole thing looked light blue. So I suppose you've got a point. EnglishJoker 19:40, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait a moment. What happened to the icon all of a sudden?? It's gone. EnglishJoker 10:03, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Kryten commented it out because people kept adding it to pages without confirmations. -- 16:45, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

May I suggest that we make the DDD icon's heart central gray, but highlighted in purple, like the BBS one? -- 21:27, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Go for it. The current icon is just what I did up with my mediocre 'shopping skills. -- 21:32, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Gameplay Section
So, from the argument over my addition of a gameplay section, it's been removed because apparently what we see in the trailer isn't really anything at all, even though the entire page is made up of stuff from both trailers, videos, and magazine articles. Then I'm told that "a trailer=/=magazine article." Then you should get rid of that entire section marked "Trailer," because all that is is a description of a trailer people can't see, and subsequently can't tell if it's true. However, I make a Gameplay section, mentioning things CLEARLY shown in the 1st Production Premiere Trailer (Which you guys have in a neat little Video Gallery down at the bottom), and suddenly we have no proof? There's a video! Right there at the bottom!

A Wiki is supposed to gather information, I gathered information from the trailer, and put it down. I've done it extensively with Dissidia 012 trailers and gameplay videos, and people LOVE our site for it. And if anything is wrong, it can always be changed. no big deal. That's what happens when more information comes to light. The more information you can reveal, and the sooner, makes you guys a much better place for people to get information. I put down information extrapolated from a trailer. I didn't make it up. It's all there. Derekoe 23:41, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

The difference there is that having a gameplay section makes it look like what you've posted has been officially confirmed. We have a trailer section because that is pretty much the only information we have on the game right now, but it is clearly prefaced that it is only in the trailer. Just because something is in the trailer doesn't mean that it will make it into the game.
 * That section only covers the E3 2010 trailer. the 1st Production Developer's Conference trailer material is absent, which you may proceed in doing, RoxasNobody. maggosh 00:23, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

I have to say, Derekoe is right! All he wrote is clearly shown in the trailer. It's no rumor or speculation but officially anounced. I mean... what is a trailer, if not an official announcement? Don't you think, it was Nomura, who has decided, what to put in the video? So where is the difference between the trailer and an interview, or something? Of course, all informations of the trailer can change later in development... that's true... but does that mean, the informations of an official interview can not change?

Don't get me wrong, I really respect you guys for always looking at the source of all the informations. But that can be exaggerated, too. I mean, isn't that the purpose of wikias? To gather informations and correct them if they *really* seem to be wrong. That's what I (as one of your readers) would expect anyway... for me, it's just another reason to follow the page. --Drace 01:44, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Trailers are not always accurate. When early trailers of BBS came out, even those with gameplay, they had scenes and gameplay mechanics absent from the final game. 01:49, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, all gameplay mechanics were present; you're thinking of the interface that was changed. With the exception of the DKSigma3 trailer, of course. maggosh 02:57, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * either way, things changed, which means that the early trailers aren't 100% accurate. that's why we still aren't using the 3D game icon on any of the pages, even though the trailers clearly showed tons of stuff that we could use it on-- 03:16, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * But they should be on Sora and Riku's pages because Nomura himself said they're in for sure. maggosh 03:18, January 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * And that's why we should fear these informations and ignore them? Isn't there a difference between "wrong" and "most likely, but may change later"? Why is the trailer still on the page, if it can't be trusted? Why was the page once called "3D"... we knew, it is just a tentative title. That just makes no sense. Seriously... if we're all always afraid of unprobable changes of informations *in the future*, we should close this whole page! EVERYTHING can change later, started by the title, down to the story and ended by the gallery. Come on, it's ridicoulus! We can always just put the actual informations on this wiki... every reader knows that! This is still just a fanpage, not the Now York Times, or something. And I still don't get, why the trailer isn't a trustable source, but the first look on the E3 is. Why do you think, informations out of an interview can NOT change later? I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed. I thought a good wiki should be as informative as possible and not just trustfully. Of course, it's important to look at the source, but this is just exaggerated. Drace 12:29, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

I've just got to say, putting in "gameplay info" just based on snapshots from trailers is one of the few things I heavily dislike about the FFWiki. And my mind is boggled on how you could interpret any gameplay out of that thing - we saw a few shots of Riku bouncing off walls, and Sora gliding, neither of which are actual gameplay mechanics; just like "sticking his Keyblade down Cerberus's gullet" is not a gameplay mechanic of Kingdom Hearts II. Furthermore, "The more information you can reveal, and the sooner, makes you guys a much better place for people to get information." is only true if your information is useful and accurate - speculations on a game no one will be able to play for many months absolutely fail those criteria. 22:18, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see.

Based on the Square-Enix's 1st Production Premiere Conference trailer, gameplay seems to feature the Command Deck system used in Birth by Sleep and Re:coded (or something similar to it). In the trailer their deck contains the staple Fire, Thunder, and Blizzard commands, as well as the normal Attack command. Sora and Riku also have access to the new, purple "Drop" meter, although the mechanics of it have not yet been revealed. Sora and Riku also seem to be able to perform many acrobatic maneuvers, seen grinding on railings, jumping back and forth off walls, and swinging from lamp poles while they attack Heartless.

You didn't see a problem with this? The tone of constant confusion and speculation makes us seem like we're stoners or something. 22:24, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

All I know is that when a magazine article covers what little news they are given about a game, they also extrapolate to almost that same extent from what they see, and from what they know. We see something very similar to the Command Deck, we see Sora and Riku grinding, bounding, and swinging. That's what the gameplay section talks about. It doesn't mention any details out of no where. It's not like I said "Acrobatic feats will be powered by the Drop meter," which is totally speculation. I talked about things that are clearly seen in the trailer, it's not speculation. IT'S RIGHT THERE! I mention that the Command Deck is present, and that you can do crazy acrobatics, and that there's a new "Drop" meter. If it all changes when more information is divulged, then so be it. That's what every damn news agency does. They report what they know, and then update when they know more. If you just sit tight and say "Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance is coming out" with the small bits of information you have, and then not update until you have solid evidence, people will overlook it. Any information, no matter how small, as long as it has a source (like mine did), is good.

And my apologies, but you can't cite a "tone of confusion" when just about every trailer Kingdom Hearts has ever had confuses the hell out of everyone.Derekoe 20:48, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can certainly cite a "tone of confusion" if the passage sounds like it was written while toking.
 * You claim that it features the command deck system, which is speculation. You claim that they can perform many acrobatic maneuvers - that is speculation, the bits they do in the trailer could easily be part of a reaction command or mini-game, just as in Kingdom Hearts II.
 * And, again, this is not a news site. It is an encyclopedia. Part of being a (responsible) encyclopedia means waiting to fact-check info. Vomiting up guesses based on split-second snippets from a trailer far, far in advance of the finalized game is wildly irresponsible, especially when every time that's been attempted in the past, it was shown to be a mistake. 21:14, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

I claim it features the Command Deck because it is there, plain as day. Anyone who has played Birth by Sleep or Re:coded knows that system. I claim that they can perform many acrobatic maneuvers because they do. I never stated how they go about it. It could very well be a Reaction Command mechanic. It would be different if I tried to claim HOW the mechanics were utilized, like "Sora and Riku are seen performing acrobatic feats, used in a similar way as the Reaction Command system." We both know that that statement isn't true, because we don't know how it's utilized, just that it is in some way. We see it there as plain as day, just like the Command Deck. The game is "making use of the system's 3D technology such as "falling from high places" and "flying far distances"" as stated in the article, and then the entirety of the gameplay shown is of them doing nothing but acrobatic feats that perfectly exemplify those 3D features. Why would they show us such a crazy, well-defined mechanic if it were subject to change and even not be included? It'd be like having shown people how Reaction Commands work, and then just removing it from Kingdom Hearts II entirely half-way through development, after having already essentially promised the new feature.Derekoe 07:13, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, what you see is a list of techniques with "Command" at the top. It could easily be the same system as KH1 and KH2, there's no need for it to be the Command Deck system.
 * The second half of your bit is pure speculation, and unfounded at that - they have removed entire worlds in pretty much every game since the first (Hell, in CoM they removed two), and have consistently revamped the system as time goes on. For example, they said they originally planned to have Lion Sora in KH1, but couldn't get it to work.
 * Again, there is no point to a section devoted to gameplay that is based purely on guesswork from a snippet of a trailer released far, far in advance of the actual game. We know for a fact that virtually everything they put out now will be changed by the time the game is released; it's happened literally every time before. If you want to report what specifically is seen in the trailer (no fluff like you had above about "we don't know this, something similar to this"), that can be done in the trailer section, but putting the guesswork in a prominent spot like you did asserts authority and accuracy it simply doesn't have. 14:27, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

New Enemy?
I was looking at the banner on the Japanese Official site, and I noticed there was a symbol we haven't seen before. Its like the heart-part of the Unversed symbol, but with two little things on the sides and a bit coming off of the bottom... I'll just go upload it to the wiki. Anyways, did anyone else notice it? Nobody Sovereign 22:51, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's the symbol that appears next to the "Drop" gauge in the trailer. -- 22:58, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * What? The only symbol I see next to the "Drop" gauge is 3 triangles and that's all. What trailer are you talking about? 23:19, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well then, I don't know. I thought I saw it before, but now I'm not sure where. -- 23:29, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hi guys, I saw the symbol that you mentioned and I think this is it: http://img269.imageshack.us/i/newenemy.png/ -User:TheKeybladeMaster 07:00, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Should we add the new HD Vid onto this page now? If we should here's the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcKDo39twwc&feature=player_embedded. Also what is the music called in the trailer? Ax ek  en    05:34, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

i think the music is called "Destati", or it might be a different version. EDIT:indeed it is epic LapisScarab. Xavnirs 13:41, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's a remix of Destati, a recurring theme in the series (and an epic one, I might add).13:44, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Why does everyone keep saying it's a remix? It's more of a short edit, but it's the Dramattica version of Destati. 15:54, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I love this game coming up.

There are two new symbols there they very similar but there is a difference between them--Xabryn 21:56, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

New Clothing
Sora and Riku may be getting new threads for this game - http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/30/kh3d_sora_riku_clothes/. DoreikuKuroofangu 10:04, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

What I think the article means is that in some parts of the game you'll play as Sora and Riku in their KH1 forms, and in some other parts, you'll be playing in their KH2 forms. - JTD 13:25, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Famitsu.com has posted a more complete version of Weekly Famitsu's recent Tetsuya Nomura interview covering Kingdom Hearts 3D. We summarized the original interview here, but there are a few additional bits in the full version, including additional hints on the strange character switching system, and mention of clothing design changes for Sora and Riku." Just to clarify. 13:33, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * And Nomura said in the interview he's going to design a new clothes for them so people won't think Dream Drop Distance is a remake. 13:49, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Article Gallery
It's kinda swamped and takes up more room than the actual information, do we really need all of those images?ΧƳƵach. 23:45, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

New Name?
According to this [] the actual name is Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance. Someone better check this. Ax ek  en    05:34, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * The official site, however, clearly has the 3D in the title. maggosh 05:36, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yes but in an interview Nomura has said that the title Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance was the proper way of saying the title here's the link [] so it should be changed. Xander19 05:08, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * How it should be said ≠ how it should be written. maggosh 05:28, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's kind of like the Roxas game, isn't it? It says "Kingdom Hearts: Three hundred and fifty eight over two days", but it's pronounced "Kingdom Hearts: Three five eight days over two." EnglishJoker 18:57, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's been confirmed by Tetsuya Nomura that the game is called Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance.--KRoNoS 05:36, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Source? That that's how you write it? 06:29, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, that's how you say it. maggosh 06:32, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

HERE KRYTEN YOU CAN READ IT FOR US. (I'M ON A CAPSLOCK RAMPAGE, BY THE WAY.) -- 06:34, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

The relevant bit is actually the first question: You were able to officially announce the title. Is it to be read "Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance"?

Nomura: No, "Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance". The subtitle portion can be abbreviated, I suppose you can call it "Kingdom Hearts 3D".

So yeah, that's still how you read it. It's not the official title of the game, which is seriously right there on the logo. 14:49, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

KrytenKoro... why are you so stupid? Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance is the name of the game!!!--KRoNoS 16:43, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * You read Home Depot as Home Depo, yet the T is still part of the name. Same thing here. Evnyofdeath 16:47, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * KRoNoS - I just translated the original bloody interview. Don't be a twat. 16:51, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * TOO LATE. -- 18:17, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think what he's trying to say is that you can't have both "3D" and "Dream Drop Distance" in the same sentence. It's either Kingdom Hearts 3D or Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance. Otherwise the title would be "Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance: Dream Drop Distance."  J. Severe  ( Tryin' to find his place in the world, one wiki at a time!  ) 22:26, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but he specifically says that's how it's read. This is exactly the same situation as with Days. 23:11, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

The title of the game is what you see in the bloody logo. How it is pronounced is a different story. If 3D makes another random logo change to "Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance", then we can change the name. -- 01:27, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

F*ck you Neumannz--KRoNoS 03:10, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

KRoNoS: No cussing. 15:47, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

This just proves my theory that we can be a pretty dysfunctional wiki sometimes. :D 04:16, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but he deserved it. I agree with you, this wiki is kinda blegh.--KRoNoS 03:24, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * KRoNoS, I think I can say with 99% confidence that you are a mouth-breathing imbecile. Please go the hell away, forever. 03:32, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Notre Dame in trailer
I know it sounds like speculation, but I think it's safe to say that the scene with the Bells ringing are from Notre Dame, because I just compared that bit in the trailer with the beginning of the Hunchback of Notre Dame, and the bells' structures look EXACTLY the same, and Nomura did say there would be a Hunchback-based world. The shots of the river and Sora falling are maybe still uncertain, but the Bells are definitely Notre Dame. I think it should be put in the article now, because it seems too obvious to require a citation. EnglishJoker 17:10, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blasphemy!
 * But seriously, even if we can pretty much take it as a given that that's the HoND world, what would you write in the captions that wouldn't be A) speculating on a name or B) awkward sounding? And don't say "Paris", there's only a chance that Paris will actually be mentioned in the game.
 * And of course there's always the question of "how obvious is obvious enough", but I'll leave that alone for now. -- 19:01, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * It used to say "Sora is seen running through the Bell Tower inside Notre Dame". "Notre Dame" is the cathedral, not the world, so it's not speculation, and even if it is, then we can say "Sora is seen running through the Bell Tower in a Hunchback of Notre Dame-based world". EnglishJoker 19:59, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...Which sounds totally awkward. -- 20:05, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

European release
So far all KH games in the main series (NOT REMAKES) have been released in Europe/PAL, so we can assume that it will be released in Europe, we just won't know when. Xavnirs 07:33, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

DS/3DS
could someone please clarify if yes or no the game will be playable on the normal DS? and please add it to the page also (i'm not too good at editing so I dont want to screw up the page by doing it). thank you.--you and I will have to join together! 02:01, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's in the first goddamn line. READ. maggosh 02:09, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

A new scan?
This is the scan in question. Someone please take a look at it and see if anything can be translated from here? <font color="#4997D0">Tambours <font color="#191970">Néant  Ensemble !  20:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well there's not much I can tell you, but the companions' names are Wandanyan (which I think makes it a dog-cat of some kind?) and Koumori Bat (which means "Bat Bat"...) -- 21:05, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wan is "bark" and Nyan is "meow", so yeah. It's a cat-dog. What else needs to be translated? 00:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The "Dream Eater" and "System" sections. -- 00:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * aHahaHAahahaha you're going to need a native reader for that. It's too small for me to get the kanji. 00:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Very, VERY rought, based on fragments and probably not accurate.
 * "The Heartless are due to the many types of darkness. However, these exist in the "World within sleep". Those who eat dreams, the "Dream Eaters". Also, it is known that there are two types of "???" and "???"."
 * System Link says something about "Sora and Riku soar about the Disney Worlds. With evolved actions there is Dream Eaters technique that uses the new friends." 00:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Now, was that so hard? :P -- 01:04, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It has a reliability of about 5%. I literally picked a few words I recognized, and made up stuff based on what it looked like it might mean. 01:09, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Protection
Why the devil has this page been protected from editing??? We should unprotect it so we can at least put up the new trailer (which has now come online in HD) and a synopsis. EnglishJoker 11:06, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * This is the reason and I already mentioned that the lock is unnecessary but there was not response to that. 13:03, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Should I change the protection levels to 'registered users only'? Because I've been keeping track of the information myself, and it's not speculation. We've had that scan translated, we've had Shard check the symbols, we've even had the leaked footage from the TGS trailer, which, though not clear, reveals enough details for now.

I seriously think we should edit where it is fit, and then give me one more nod to lock the page after that. <font color="#4997D0">Tambours <font color="#191970">Néant  Ensemble !  13:06, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with people editing this page with the information from the new trailer, as long as that information stays within the trailer section and its made clear the info is not conclusive. I'm getting really bewildered that people think it's appropriate to do things like rewriting a character's personality section based on two seconds of a grainy trailer.
 * Seriously, guys? The trailer info stays on this page until the game's release. It makes no sense to be building articles based on trailers. Official announcements and magazine articles can be argued for, but the only thing that ever comes out of a trailer are personal interpretations and speculation. 13:26, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Never mind the trailer info, what about the trailer proper? I remember when we edited BBS we even included the TGS trailer when it was released... <font color="#4997D0">Tambours <font color="#191970">Néant   Ensemble !  13:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm perfectly fine with that. It's the speculation and unverifiable info spreading to the other pages that bothers me. 17:24, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Protecting this page won't stop that anyway. So come on, let's unprotect this page so we can put the trailer up and a few more details that Nomura just revealed in Famitsu, such as the 4th and 5th districts of Traverse Town and how the game is now 60-70 % complete. EnglishJoker 10:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I can unprotected the page, if everyone is okay with it.-- Ninja Sheik  20:36, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

TGS 2011 Information Update
I heartily *ducks* request an update based off of information recently released online, all courtesy of kh13.com!

First off, and most important to me, is the full-screen official TGS 2011 trailer!! That link goes to YouTube, where you can view it with Closed Captioning for English subtitles. (KH13 nabbed it from the official site.) It's awwwwwwesoooooome.

Second, let's take a look at this week's Famitsu interview with Tetsuya Nomura on the game, which reveals it's about 60-70% complete and due out in Spring 2012, and see if we can't glean any info from there.

Also, Famitsu screenshots! I think it's worth noting what KH13's captions for some of these pics are:


 * Sora bouncing on Wonder Cat
 * Riku fighting Kuma Panda
 * Sora fighting Kuma Panda
 * Sora fighting Kuma Panda
 * Sora fighting the Nightmare, Wonder Cat

This of course may just be them, or translations of these Dream Eaters' names, but hey.

But yeah, can someone who's got some leverage maybe post some of this info up onto the page? FT 18:53, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Whoa, case in point with the interview thingy--"There are two types of Dream Eaters, your enemies called “Nightmares” and those that fight alongside you as companions called “Spirits”." I think this might be important! Plus it explains the different yet similar symbols on your companions and on your enemies. FT 18:55, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have unlocked the page. However, to everyone:
 * Anything you add based on a trailer needs to stay in a section devoted to that trailer. It does not get spread to the rest of the article, and certainly not to the articles at large. I'm looking especially at the Drop Gauge here, which people swore up and down was reliable enough to post. Well guess what, apparently they replaced it with this "Dual Link" thing.
 * EVERY SINGLE THING added needs to be cited, to a PRIMARY source. It does not get added to the main part of the article unless the info is explicit from the source—if you have even the slightest hint of doubt about what a scene is showing, you gotdamn bloody fucking buggering don't add it.
 * Anything relying on a translation needs to be checked by an experienced translator first, and relying on a fansite's summary is not acceptable.
 * The second anyone disagrees with a claim, the section gets cut from the article and brought here for evaluation.
 * Also, KH13 mistranslated several of those captions, apparently, especially for the Wandanyan. 19:13, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

... Kryten, if you need to call me out, just say it. Secondly it's MY userspace and I can do what I want.
 * If your edits were the problem, I would say "Erry". There's a ton of other editors being significantly more irresponsible. I'm perfectly fine with people making drafts in their userspace, what's pissing me off is stuff like the Braig Personality section rewrite saying "ACTUALLY HE IS TOTALLY CONCERNED FOR HIS FRIENDS." 20:52, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The TGS 2011 trailer is now up. If anyone wants to modify it, go right ahead. EnglishJoker 20:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's very well done, English. Kudos! 21:48, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) And another thing: I think now would be a good time to bring back the DDD icon. I don't know what happened with the purple heart icon, but it seems OK to me. The game's coming out next spring, to it wouldn't hurt to have a DDD icon. I mean, we had the BBS icon even a year before the game was released, didn't we? EnglishJoker 11:40, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, we still have that. -- 01:40, 25 September 2011 (UTC)