Forum:Ventus Mindscrew

If Vanitas is an Unversed, does that make Ventus one as well? We're never told precisely what makes an Unversed an Unversed. Conceivably, Ventus could draw light out of people, & then there'd be monsters made of positive emotions. Indeed, the very fact that I can ask this question inclines me to say, "Yes," as we are "not well versed in [Ventus's] existence."Neo Bahamut 08:17, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ventus = Somebody but with a heart of pure light Vanitas = Somebody but with a heart of pure darkness Vanitas' Remnant = Unversed because he's made up of Vanitas' thoughts and feelings. -11:34, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Unversed is monsters created from negative emotions. And Vanitas is not an Unversed, he's the very embodiment of Ventus's darkness.

"What else is darkness but hate & rage?" Darkness is negative emotions. Therefore, saying Vanitas is a being made of the darkness in Ventus's heart but is not an Unversed is contradictory. The important question is, what's the being of light & positive emotions? Is it also an Unversed?Neo Bahamut 11:57, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think Darkness and Light is more of an element in people's hearts. No, Unversed is clearly stated as beings made from negative emotions. Almost like the Heartless who are born from the darkness inside people's hearts.
 * Aqua is wrong on a lot of things in that game. Earlier games, like CoM, show that darkness isn't necessarily bad, just like light not being necessarily good.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  12:36, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

And it was indicated as early on as KH1 that darkness was tied to negative emotions, so I don't really see why this is such a problem now. The Unversed even turn into pure darkness on several occasions. I don't think it can get much clearer than that. But even if we assume that a being of light & positive emotions can't be an Unversed, that doesn't answer the question of what it is.Neo Bahamut 12:41, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

I still think Unversed are beings made out of darkness. If they're made out of light, why would they attack people? ...Then again Bulky Vendor didn't attack Sora and co. I guess it's true what Kryten mentioned earlier
 * An Unversed is just one emotion, given shape. It is not necessarily violent, either, it just carries out its emotion, without thinking or changing. The heart contains and controls emotions, but it is much more than just emotions. Emblem Heartless are hearts lost to darkness that are given shape by that darkness, while Nobodies are bodies and souls lost to nothingness that are given animation by that nothingness. Basically, an Unversed is like the meanest fragment of a Pureblood Heartless (though this is a bad analogy, since hearts are more than just a tangle of emotions).
 * Vanitas and Ventus can think, have multiple emotions, and Ventus at least is a whole being, since he has heart, body, and soul. The process that created Vanitas, however, could be most closely related to that of an Emblem Heartless, since he was a heart lost in darkness that was given a body of darkness, and he has a pseudo-emblem on him to match. (Also, this reminds me, Radiant Garden should have had the Heartless Emblem on it, since it supposedly started off as their royal crest). The Lingering Sentiment is basically a Nobody, though it uses the Keyblade Armor as its body, rather than an organic body. The Vanitas Remnant might be something like either a Nobody (if it's Vanitas's soul in his suit), an Unversed (if it's a single bit of emotion), a Pureblood Heartless (if it's remnants of his darkness, and it fits his color scheme, but it requires his heart to still be out there), or an Emblem Heartless (if it's his entire heart without the darkness-made body, which would make the most sense, since it shouldn't be possible to destroy a heart in this series). That's about as good as we've got right now, though.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  13:40, November 1, 2010 (UTC)