Talk:Ephemer

I read a bit about Ephemera and KHX's player character being in "rival unions". To anyone who has access to KHX:


 * Does this change depending on what union the player joins?
 * Does Ephemera's union change each time, like, is there a sort of 'set' between unions -- for instance, set A (player is Anguis, Ephemera is Vulpeus) or set B (player is Ursus, Ephemera is Leopardos)?
 * Or, do we never know Ephemera's union at all, and is it just hinted to the player?

This has piqued my curiosity indeed.  Trois nyx  18:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I can answer this:) Ephemera mentions his Union when meeting the Player for the first time, it's directly dependent on the Player's Union.
 * The Unions are ordered like this ingame: 1=Ursus, 2=Anguis, 3=Unicornis, 4=Vulpeus, 5=Leopardos. Ephemera always takes the Union on the next place. For example if the Player is in Unicornis then Ephemera will be part of the Vulpeus Union, it's essentially 1-->2, 2-->3, 3-->4, 4-->5 and 5-->1. -- 21:43, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

NA translation
Since it's possible to dump most of the scripts now, some of the more important plot translations are revealed earlier. For example Ephemera is simply called Ephemer in the NA version, the Beads of Light are called Bracelet of Light and the stuff created by the Book of Prophecies are not illusions but holograms, which is a more technical and probably connected to the datascape. So are we able to use these "leaks" here or should we wait until these story quests officially roll out? You can find the script here (sadly there is no really order to it) and most of the menu terms used in the NA version here. -- 19:03, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Have these scripts been updated in the past? 01:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, but I'll make sure with the next update. Since the NA translations are to be completely tied to the Japanese progress (even Ava's Dandelion "seed of hope speech is already in there) I think it's set in stone at this point. -- 05:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Provided we don't see any reason to doubt that, I'm cool with it. Probably should ping the other staffers tho. 12:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with using this information now, but I remember a discussion about Beast's Castle being found in KHx, where we had to wait until it was actually added to the game. Once again, I'm fine with using the "leak", but if we have a set rule about this, we should follow it. 17:09, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a case of information in the game actually expanding and potentially not going live. For this, we just need to confirm that it's all actually baked in. 18:13, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

VA's Confirmation
There's a bit of dispute going on Ephermera's page regarding whether Mr. Michael Johnston's confirmation on voicing him between me and another user. The tweet that was first posted did not give an outright confirmation. Mr. Johnston did not, in fact, say yes to the any of the fans' question when he asked. The other user claims he did, but I see no confirmation whatsoever. I protected the page to avoid an edit war. If there is a source with Mr. Johnston clearly confirming he's voicing Ephermera?-- 01:10, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * This seems like it's him congratulating a fan for recognizing his voice, although it has since been scrubbed from twitter which is why you might not have seen it. We should probably link to the khinsider article for now. 04:14, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Kryten, for posting the image. I was looking at Mr. Johnston's Twitter account directly for the confirmation, but didn't see it there at all. So, he deleted it. That explains it, but I still have my reservations about using it. Ethically, anyway. True, it's a confirmation, albeit a somewhat indirect one. Still, Mr. Johnston realized it violated his NDA contract and deleted that confirmation on his Twitter for a reason. I wonder if it's really okay to use here. Hopefully, he hasn't been booted off the project for that small mishap, and this isn't like the last time with Young Xehanort's VA when KH3D before came out. Given everything that happened with YX's VA, I'd rather just wait until the official release, and I'd rather just respect Mr. Johnston's wish. That's my two cents on the matter. Anyway, this is settled, so I'll unprotect the page now.-- 19:34, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely unbelievable. Even with the head admin coming in here to fix this, you're still dancing to your own tune.  It's ridiculous that I even had to ask him.  If Johnston came to your house directly, and beat you upside the head telling you that he's in it and voicing said character, you'd still push your own personal opinions over everything else.  --68.200.112.142 19:40, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You're over-reacting, so please calm down. I'm just stating my opinion, and that's it. I'm not "pushing" my opinion on anyone. If the wiki wants to use it, that's on you guys. I'm not outright declaring we should take it off, but simply saying that I, a user who edits here, have concerns on whether or not using a tweet, which the VA himself deleted because that's the law in accordance with his NDA contact, on the wiki is really all right. Legally, Mr. Johnston should not done that in the first place, so he deleted it because he didn't want to violate his contract and revealed to the public that's he voicing Ephemera.-- 19:54, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * There's no such thing as a "head admin". 20:23, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * For future reference -- the cite that was on the page was one in which Johnston merely retweeted someone asking if he voiced Ephemera (and relevantly, this link shows several confused twitterati asking "wait, is this actually confirmation?"). At no point did the anon link the archived tweet in which Johnston actually makes the confirmation. Ninja voiced her confusion at using the tweet as a cite, pointing out that the current tweet makes no statement either way. The only reason the article is currently noting Johnston as the VA is because I personally happened to be aware of the deleted tweet that the anon was obliquely referencing but neglecting to provide, not because I am a "head admin".
 * Anon: You've been blocked for repeated personal attacks after I already let you know that wouldn't be acceptable. If you come back once your block is done, provide citations first. This has been a repeated issue in the last few days, leading to completely needless edit wars. 20:42, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt that Mr. Johnston is voicing Emphemera, but because he deleted that tweet, it can't be used. But now with the archived link, I'm just expressing my concern if it's okay to really use it. Is questioning that wrong or something? The wiki went through numerous issues regarding VAs confirmations in the past; all I'm doing is making sure our bases are covered now. Just look at debate about YX on the talk page, for example. Like I said, if guys want to use the archived tweet image Kryten posted as evidence, I won't object, but again, Mr. Johnston deleted it for a reason - the reason being he violated his NDA contract by indirectly confirming he's voicing Ephemera (and probably, he still is). He realized his mistake and took it off. Out of respect for him, using that deleted tweet just feels wrong to me.-- 21:19, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The debate about YX on the talk page was about YX sounding like Ben Diskin, if I recall correctly -- once we had a usable cite, we went with it. At this point, the cat's out of the bag with Mr. Johnston -- the archived tweet is already being passed around virtually all of the fansites. We shouldn't encourage people to bother the VAs, but I don't think we can justify ignoring reliably cited info as anything but a sentimental effort. 21:34, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to mention, whether or not if Mr. Diskin was voicing YX or if Mr. David Gallagher was. Turned out, both of them did voice YX. Mr. Gallagher for the trailer/clip, but Mr. Diskin for the final production when the game was officially released, which he explained in that image on YX's talk page. Hopefully, this isn't the case with Mr. Johnston. And hopefully, he's still on the project and not fired for violating his NDA contract. Ethically, still feels wrong to use it, but if the wiki or any other site wants to use it, then that's that.-- 21:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)