Talk:Kingdom Hearts χ

Game Icon
Icon has been uploaded: File:KHCHI Icon.png  It's not being terribly cooperative though. Fix please. 199.188.206.185 06:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Game Icon
Page also needs to be moved since the title is official. 199.188.206.185 06:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, but the article name isn't, and can never be completely correct due to technical limitations. -- So  ve  07:29, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * ~_~ { ... *sigh* ) -- 07:42, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that does suck. But it's the best you can do.  Blame Squenix for managing to complicate a single letter. 199.167.133.26 07:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sign on to your goddamn account, Webber. maggosh 08:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. How bout you go fuck yourself?  Better idea?  I think it is - it's a swell idea.  Since you assholes IP banned me because I hurt your feelings, logging in is a pain in the ass considering I have to IP hop every time.  199.167.133.23 08:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh boy, this is just like last time. Why can't you two play along nicely? 11:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Good lord, I ALREADY MOVED THE PAGE. Stop making a federal case out of every little thing, guys.

@Sove, the [chi] is for pronunciation only, it's not part of the title. Like [duodecim]. -- 13:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I was not able to use χ either, but apparently it was caused by TitleBlacklist.-- So  ve  13:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Weird. I just cut and pasted it. Anyway, the important thing is that it's fixed. --72.66.110.50 19:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Alice?
Alice from Alice in Wonderland, who has already appeared in the KH1, has been confirmed for this game? Is this just a mere cameo? Because I find it hard to swallow that a girl as young as her would appear as an actual character in a game that supposedly occurs during the Keyblade War, which was like... what... centuries eariler? Blackchaos27 (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * We always have to take pre-release screenshots with a grain of salt, maybe it's just a mockup shot to introduce the game's direction, maybe this scene will be cut from the final game, there are many possibilites. If the game is canon is also a bit ambiguous, maybe this is not the Alice from KH but another representation of her (data, dream, replica, you name it) or she really is a undead god ruling from beyond time and space through this tiny avatar. 10:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I wouldn't question her appearance. Minnie and Mickey remained the same in the 10/11/12 years since Birth by Sleep to KH3D/KH2... as did Yen Sid, Stitch and so on and so forth. The only people who actually do age at all in the game are original characters and Final Fantasy characters. At least, according to what the Ultimania and other sources say. Even Huey, Dewey and Louie have stayed remained children and haven't aged into adults over the course of the games... so yeah, again, I wouldn't question Disney characters aging. 15:54, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, this IS a game so not everything will be realistic. For example, for all the time Sora goes off on adventures, he never thinks about his MOTHER. 15:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * @Erry - Anthropomorphic animals like Mickey and the others, I understand. Powerful sorcerers, like Yen Sid and Merlin, not surprising since those types of characters tend to have a very long lifespans. I'm only iffy because she's only human. That and I doubt ANY of the characters alive today were alive back then, otherwise I'd think Mickey would've remembered what happened back then. Also an issue concerning the seven princesses; if this occurs before the χ-blade was shattered, then the Princesses of Heart didn't exist yet.


 * However, seeing as this game is still in early development and there's really not much info at this point, and there have been a few unrealistic moments, I won't question it any further. Blackchaos27 (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Remember the second trip to Traverse Town in DDD, people. Time works differently in different worlds. Plus I believe that everyone from Disney Town is immortal. And as the events of the game take place before there were seven hearts of pure light, the fact that Alice is in this game is... confusing.


 * Also, it is impossible for this game to take place 2 - 4 years before the events of BbS. If the princesses were immortal, then Kairi would still be four years old in DDD. Let's just hope that we get more information soon... 06:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Time works differently in different worlds. That may be. But even so I doubt a second in one world could be a year in another.


 * We're still not sure exactly when the seven fragments became hearts, and there's still the possibility of those lights actually being passed down from generation to generation. But as stated above this is still in it's early development and for all we know that screenshot (which I've never seen) could just be a mockup that could get removed from the game (it's been done before). Blackchaos27 (talk) 08:08, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * But it's the era of the keyblade war, if we believe Kairi's grandma, there should be only one world and one time. 10:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

This could be before Alice's time in Wonderland in which case she stopped aging when she got there, not hard to believe as time works differently there. Darth Riku (talk) 20:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

KH13
We really need to not be using fansites as sources, even if they're accurate. Track the info down to a primary or journal source. 04:41, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Open Beta
So the open beta started today (it's scheduled to end at August 1st) and anyone with a Yahoo! Japan ID can access it. Because the game is not canon (it's not the real keyblade war, just a retelling with much artistic freedom) how do we handle it here? There are some unique elements like new keyblades, new characters (e.g. Chirishii), new synthesis materials, even new locations like "Daybreak Town". And of course there are the cards which are more like the TGS game than the Chain of Memories variant. 09:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * We should handle it the same way we do the manga, I guess. Separate story sections, but it is canon to itself. 22:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay then, because an English translation seems to not in development at the moment the most important articles would be Daybreak Town (デイブレイクタウン), Chirishii (チリシィ), Foreteller (予知者), the Unions (ユニオン) and the new Heartless (Achoo Mole, Flower Rider and Jewelry Bag) I have yet to find the kanji for.
 * Achoo Mole (アチューモール), Flower Rider (フラワーライダー) & Jewelry Bag (ジュエリーバッグ) ;) Lady Junky (talk) 10:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks:) 11:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :) But, I have a question: are you sure it is the Divine Rose in KH chi? Because it is really different :/ Lady Junky (talk) 11:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Im pretty sure it is. I think that these keyblades can be upgraded (getting the glas colored on the hilt, the rose bloom etc.) to eventually match their KH counterparts, at least that's what the file names suggest and I can vagualy remember that I also read this somewhere. But at least for now only these images can be found in the game files, this will probably change once the beta is finished and the real game begins. 11:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok :) Sooooo... Any sign of Stroke of Midnight? xD You are doing a good job :) I hope you will find other elements :) ^^ Lady Junky (talk) 11:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * At least for now there is no evidence that the Castle of Dreams will be part of the game, although I also think we can expect to see it in the future. The real question is who the sevenths princess will be. Maybe grandma will includes Kairi in the story too but it would seem a bit strange to do so. 11:43, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes :) Lady Junky (talk) 11:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A new heartless: Wabble Tiptoe (ワッブルチップトウ). You can see it here ^^ Lady Junky (talk) 19:40, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

But wait, there is more (at least according to the game files):http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0011_86.png http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0012_86.png http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0015_86.png http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0016_86.png http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0019_86.png http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0020_86.png http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0021_86.png http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0022_86.png http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0024_86.png 21:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oo FANTASTIC! Do you have their names (of the news one of course :P) Lady Junky (talk) 21:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sadly I don't, I've yet to find a way to access the game's text directly. 21:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok :) Good luck :D Lady Junky (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Card list
Should there be a page with a list of the cards included in the game (name, rarity, off/def power, etc?) or is that unnecessary since it's just sort of a social game? --Wind Prism (talk) 07:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should definite have such a list, but I'm not sure where to begin at the moment, probably the shown characters. Each cards is coded with an 8-byte string in the game, that's quite a lot. Maybe that's just the crushed name of the card but I think these refer to the different attributes instead. 10:43, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Separate world pages/mission descriptions?
Do you guys think we should add separate Subsections for the Chi versions of the worlds? Maybe add some details/pages for the quests like we have for the 358/2 missions? GiroZX (talk) 02:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Why would we need separate subsections for each world? Shouldn't they just be covered as a secondary canon for each world, as we're doing with the manga? 03:24, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * We'll need to use the world's game: pages, methinks. 15:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Canonical?
Sorry for the question, but this game is canonical? Because i see the wiki give to him a lot of importance, but I don't understend why if is only a "game no-canon" because Alice, Aladdin and others appear here, but chronologicaly this one must be centuries later of BbS and ALice have 11 years old in KH1 so in BbS she must have 1 year old, so why she appear in this game? Same thing for Emblem Heartless, they are created after BbS, can somebody explain to me?--93.150.128.115 14:06, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The goal of the wiki is to cover all official KH stuff regardless its canon status, that's why the mangas, novels, trading card games, facebook games and all games SquareEnix released can be found here. Among them mobile and [chi] are not canon, but feature enough unique content to have their own pages. [chi] is a bit special though as Nomura confirmed that there will be connection to KHIII, probably meaning that some elements introduced in [chi] (Chirishii, the Fortellers, Daybreak Town, Lux, you name them) will also play a role in this upcoming game, even if the connecting story will differ from [chi]'s. So as you can see, it's a bit complicated and not everything has been worked out by this point. At the moment there seems to be no real guidline how to incoperate elements of [chi], like the new Heartless, in some articles but often there is a seperation line or tags that indicate which game there are from, so you can decide yourself what to make of it. --77.185.115.1 15:10, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you^^ I hope to she the new Characters, worlds and Heartless in KH3 (specialy the new Heartless, I love struggle versus new enemies :) )--93.150.128.115 15:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Bringing this up again
So, I think this is KHX is going to become a proper, canon entry to the series. From their latest KHX news update, they mentioned (translated into English): "A Serious Story Begins!!" and "In this KINGDOM HEARTS, everything is connected to the main storyline. To all fans that have been playing the series, do not overlook this expansion in the story and please look forward to it.". That gives me reason to believe that KHX has been changed into a canon entry to the series, since they specifically said to not overlook the story. What do you guys think? 22:00, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a passage written in the Foretellers’ Script. It is an important fact that leads to KINGDOM HEARTS III.
 * Well shit, that enough holds enough water, let alone Nomura flat out saying "everything is connected to the main storyline." maggosh 23:12, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, just that doesn't make sure that the whole story itself is part of the main storyline, just that something in that script is important.It doesn't say that everything that happens in each wolrds individual storyline is canon. Although, that IS possible, since as Riku tells to Joshua in KH3D, "time flows different in any two worlds". So it is possible that Aladdin, Alice and the others didn't aged all those years after the war, and reamined almost the same during Sora's story. EDIT: Also, about the Keyblades, Shard once said that maybe after upgrading them, they would look like the ones from the other games. The new info said that (later, not yet) something would happen when you upgraded a keyblade to the maximum. Maybe that's it. - 19:01, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, changing the numbers of the icons similar to how we do with the cards, I found new Heartlles. Don't know if they already appeared, because I didn't played in the Halloween.

http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0048_86.png http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/img/icon/mission/mission_0001_0042_86.png 19:12, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

It just won't die off...
So, it seems to me that rather than the whole game being canon, it might just be that part of the Foreteller's story that connects to Kingdom Hearts III. In determining canonocity (is that even a word?) you have to also see it from a real-world perspective. The nature of Kingdom Hearts games is to include Disney worlds. A game like Kingdom Hearts χ wouldn't have included new ones, they were going to have to use previously appearing worlds. Since it wasn't going to cost anything, even though it would be a cool game, they wouldn't mwke a big deal out of it, and so they didn t introduce new worlds (except for Daybreak Town) and they used a loose story. A story in which the basic concept was canon and well known, and the details wouldn't need to be. Parts of Kingdom Hearts χ are canon, things like this Foretellers story and general events leading up to the Keyblade War. Other parts, like the inclusion of Alice, Aladdin, and Snow White, aren't, and were added because of the Disney element that makes Kingdom Hearts games what they are. That's my understanding, seeing Tetsuya Nomura mentinoed the connection again last week. 00:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's actually pretty clever if you think about it. There will probably never a game about the real events of the keyblade war, simply because the setting would be completely different, almost non-Disney like, it would also be a rather brutal event and even more importantly the mystery of these ancient times would be gone too. So it's made into a children's story that even allows some online play. Now SE can take all elements they think are defining Kingdom Hearts (Heartless, Disney worlds and characters etc.) and mix in new ones and later Nomura decides which of the (at the moment thin) stories and concepts should be kept and which should be forgotten. All elements that are canon will probably be repeated or summarized when KHIII arrives so there is really no need to differentiate at this point.
 * By the way, all story segments are translated on KHInsider since last week, so everyone can catch up. 01:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I think if they do make a game based on the events leading up to and including the Keyblade War, it will be a full game, with a cost on an actual game console with new Disney characters and worlds and having set protagonists, like Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep. So, I guess what I'm saying is, there's little that's canon about Kingdom Hearts χ, there's nothing huge I think will happen with the whole time difference mentioned in Kingdom Hearts 3D (and if it does, it's not going to explain anything here}, and there might be a chance we will play it here, but it won't be a huge deal story-wise.02:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Finally!
This is is. The only canon (currently) thing in this entire game. I know, we're not supposed to use KHInsider, but I thought it should be here now. So, here it is.

Chirithy:

You've really shaped up as a Keyblade Wielder, haven't you.

Uh-huh, you're looking really fine, too!

I think it's time to tell you, then.

Before my master, He who created me, disappeared,

He bestowed His six followers with new names, and gave five of them a tome of prophecy.

These five followers, who were to become the Foretellers, read the future written in the tome.

Apparently a passage written on the last page shocked them.

"The war in that place will lead to the defeat and destruction of the Light. The World will be enveloped in eternal Darkness."'

In order to save the future World, the five Foretellers thought to use the power hidden in the tome of prophecy.

That's the power you are all using now.

Through the cards, you are using the power of the future to try and protect the light from the darkness, and avert the future enveloped in darkness.

Also, as you know, even though the five Foretellers share the same goal, they by no means share the same will.

So, you mustn't lose sight of it yourself.

|The Connection Between Kingdom Hearts III and Kingdom Hearts χ - Kingdom Hearts Insider 08:05, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if it has been said, but I think that even the individual/world storylines could be now considered as canonical since the Fortellers explain the cards allow to use "the power of the future", which would allow the players to travel through time, and therefore be able to meet characters who shoudn't exist in that time of the chronology.Sora1954 (talk) 00:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that's not what the game was refering to, because until this point time travel wasn't even mentioned in KH [chi]. "The power of the future" thing is basically a neat explanation why the cards almost only show popular Kingdom Hearts characters from the previous games. 19:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Events coverage
So, should we have a page/section that cover the special events that been going on in the game (Christmas, New Year, etc)? Either in the Development section or a new article itself (List of Kingdom Hearts χ events or something like that). And that it list what items you get during the special events or the Heartless that appear during then. I don't play the game, so I have no idea if the enemies, cloths, etc that appears are permanent or event-only. 23:54, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * We should definitely have coverage. Is there enough material to warrant a full article? -- 03:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If I may, I would look here. Shard has done a pretty good job with the translations and stuff. I think he might be the only one on the wiki doing this for us. You guys can decide if there is enough info there to make a full article, I'm not sure about it yet. I'd imagine, however, that if more info was needed, Shard would be the one to go to. 05:47, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't even know we already had a list of events. So there probably is enough material to cover a article. Once we figure out what actually happens during the events. 20:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, some of them seem self-explanatory. For example, the Halloween Event (2013) obviously consisted of the Halloween-themed Heartless and made available all the Halloween-themed clothes (all of which are displayed on that same page, or the Player page. But other events, such as White Day, are far less self-explanatory (what could White Day even mean?). Again, I would recommend asking Shard about the exact details. In the meantime, if you guys don't mind, I will try and write up a draft. 21:26, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I know it's off-topic, but does anyone know how to stop the timestamp from shifting down the way it has on my sig. It's really gotten annoying.21:28, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I was noticing that. I tried to get info of the missions when I was writing up the draft in my Gadget Lab, and I noticed that the Valentine's Day Event, for example, is not the same week after week. As far as I could tell (thanks to the marvel that is Google Chrome's auto-translate), the missions are different every week and, apparently, for every level of experience. I couldn't begin to imagine where to begin with that info. And to top it off, because I'm basing myself on the game's site, the mission info is also mixed-in among the many other announcements on the page. 17:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The level of experience is more like a suggestion, you can always tackle all missions regardless of your deck and stats but you probably won't be able to (at least if you don't want to spend hundreds of potions or ethers). The KINGDOM HEARTS χ capture Wiki distinguishes between campaigns, events and limited missions but it's only list after list.
 * The other thing is that this information is almost useless by now because KHX is an online game and things have changed greatly since it started and probably won't be repeated, at least not in the same way. Instead we would need some sort of general page or section on the KHX page about these ongoing changes. 18:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * TIL KHχ's event organization is a mess. But it looks like theres season events (Halloween, Valentine, etc) and campaigns events (Guard Armor, Special Summer, Light Crystal). Which makes it more problematic to keep track of. 19:13, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

If it's too complicated to distill into a separate article, then it's fine to sum it up under a Development section, including the events and new Heartless, etc. -- 04:11, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Story coverage
First things first: The story is still not considered canon most of the time, this is especially true for the events in the Disney worlds, also Dwarf Woodlands is the only world whose story concluded by now. With the new secret movie that is part of the re-release of Re:coded in the 2.5 ReMIX there will be some things cemented though, even if it's only the official English name for the Foreteller's Script and probably the Foretellers and maybe even Chirishii (often dubbed Chirithy now) too. I absolutely don't have time to write and expand the story and world pages that play a role in KHX, but if somebody else likes to but just can't get into the game for various reasons here are some ways to get up-to-date on the story:
 * KH13 is cooperating with Everglow8444 on a fully translated walkthrough of the game, check out part 1 to 11 here.
 * Sign and Goldpanner at KHInsider are still working on a full translation of all missions, it's a bit out-of-date at the moment though. You can find it here, it also includes all events in which Everglow didn't participate in. A translation of the 1st Anniversary event (with Mickey, Goofy, Donald etc.) by Kazr10 can be found here.
 * Here is a 7zip archive of every mission screen and (almost) every dialogue in the game (all Japanese though), a list of the currently available animated scenes can be found here. -- 22:37, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

New information regarding the Disney worlds
Okay with the last December update three new story mission were added to the game that feature a new character of a rival Union (dependent on the player's Union) called Ephemera (エフェメラ) (English translation is quasi-confirmed with comments in the game files) who explains some interesting things: You can find the original Japanese text here. Ephemera has a unique Chirithy (reminder: every player has one) that is darker than the others and seems to pursue its own plan. The player and Ephemera set out to find a way in the clock tower but were not successsful yet. -- 15:13, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) The collected LUX doesn't belong to the "Fairy Tale worlds" but to Daybreak Town.
 * 2) The "Fairy Tale worlds" are illusions ("holographic projections") produced by the Book of Prophecies that the Foretellers of each Union possess (meaning there are really at least five tomes).
 * 3) The reason these world were created has to do with how the real world works, apparently its easier to collect the light from far away places this way than travelling there (this may have to do with the one-world state before the Keyblade War, I'm not sure I understood it correctly).


 * I'm not gonna lie, I was gonna say this was probably how they'd make the Disney worlds canon ever since I saw the cutscene "A Fairy Tale?" from Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX. Maleficent notes that you could conjure up entire worlds that have yet to exist. Since Kingdom Hearts χ takes place before the Keyblade War, none of the Disney worlds would have existed yet (the worlds were formed following the World's destruction in the Keyblade War, according to Kairi's Grandmother). This pretty much has set up Kingdom Hearts χ for being canon. 23:25, 26 December 2014 (UTC)