Talk:Sleeping Worlds

You guys know that the official translation is "Sleeping Worlds", right? 24.211.29.87 07:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that that's derived from the same Japanese term (can you provide it)? Wouldn't there be a realm and then worlds within that realm, as we had in the past?
 * I might be wrong, I mean. But I'd like confirmation that "Sleeping Worlds" is a direct translation of Yumimeru Sekai.192.249.47.177 14:04, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Confusion
Alrite, I have actually never played a Kingdom Hearts game, but I saw "an average" number of different videos regarding the series so please excuse me some silly misinterpretations. Up to to the point then: I watched the walkthrough for Kingdom Hearts 3D and Yen Sid was talking about seven sleeping worlds; yeah: Sora and Riku close/open seven locks, but in six worlds: twice in Traverse Town. And my question is: what is the seventh Sleeping World as the World that Never Was is noted by both characters to be real and not a dream. Or the seventh world is Sora's dream? Riku does open/close a lock there, although I'm not entirely sure.—Kaimi (talk) 21:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * TWTNW is both a Sleeping World and a World in the Realm Between, like Traverse Town. During the course of their visit, they cross to the Realm Between version. 21:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Umm...What is a "Realm Between"? Something like a passageway between real world and the Sleeping World?—Kaimi (talk) 22:09, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily (it seems to be the case for the World That Never Was though), the transition from the Realm of Light to the Realm of Darkness is fluent, Nomura describes it as "stairways" between the two planes. These stairways are basically the Realm Between, where some worlds can be situated in and apparently are all special in different ways. --ShardofTruth (talk) 00:15, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought the seventh world was Destiny Island since they do open a Keyhole there after the battle against Ursula--Xabryn (talk) 01:20, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not really sure because KH3D did almost no explaining. According to the game the Destiny Islands of KH3D is actually set in the past, shortly before it falls into darkness and "starts dreaming". I'm not really sure how this works but Destiny Islands is not a world from the Realm Between and was "resurrected" at the end of KH, there is practically no chance it's part of the Sleeping Worlds. The portal to the Sleeping Worlds (and Sora's dreams of the Sleeping Worlds) is openend like Sora does it at the end of KH3D to visit the Dream Eaters. If DI really was a Sleeping World it would appear on the "world map" of KH3D. Maybe it's because Sleep <> Dream, meaning that a world can dream even if it's not a Sleeping World. Ansem SoD says "Dreams hold our memories. Sleep holds our dreams. And Darkness - it holds our sleep." --ShardofTruth (talk) 01:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Because Sora and Riku are both wondering why there are in TWTNW AFTER they opened seven keyholes, destiny islands has to be one of the sleeping worlds. That would be an explenation for sora and riku, why they are shorter than in KHII (if you press Y in the reports of them, you can see the difference). but yeah, it sucks for net really explaining it which is the seventh world for sure. Sum2k3 (talk) 04:33, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought the explanation for Sora and Riki being young again was because of Yen Sids magic removing their abilities so they can learn the true way of the keyblade (or something like that). If I remember correctly this Destiny Islands time travel theory is sourced by some comments Xigbar makes during the TWTNW scenes of Sora. Also if the first Keyhole of Sleep is on DI, than there is one at Mysterious Tower too, because the animation is axactly the same. --ShardofTruth (talk) 05:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * About they being young again idk though I do remember reading an interview saying that the reason they're young is due to Yen Sid's magic and they can't return to their older form until they return to Mysterious Tower, as for the same animation doesn't every Keyhole in KH3D have that animation?--Xabryn (talk) 00:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Look, they opened seven Keyholes before reaching The World That Never Was and afrer Destiny Islands. You count the second one in traverse town as well. Seven sleeping worlds; the world map shows you whihc worlds are sleeping. so that's that. (98.213.22.67 16:03, 10 November 2012 (UTC))
 * That they traveled into the past is referenced numerous times in the story. Xigbar says it, also Yen Sid when explaining how they will need to get to the Sleeping Worlds, & again when he dismisses the possibility that Xehanort is in the Sleeping Worlds--as he would have to have a version of himself at Destiny Islands when it was being consumed to send himself back to. It seems to me to be likely that Destiny Islands are a sleeping world. The raft thing is referenced as a dream & possibly part of the Mark of Mastery test, & (unless the Japanese has something different) the story section for Traverse Town says that the Keyhole they unlock there is the first Keyhole of Sleep. Besides, it only makes sense to get to the Sleeping Worlds by hitching a ride on a world that's about to go to sleep. The statement that it should be on the world map makes no sense to me. It's not on the world map simply because it is not used for gameplay. Destiny Islands also does not appear in KH2's or BBS's maps & Land of Departure eventually disappears from the map in BBS. Additionally, neither does Sora's Heart, though Riku is referenced (again, unless the translation in this game was bad) as having returned to the Realm of Sleep to rescue him. The Sleeping Keyhole animation also seems to be used for re-entering the Realm of Sleep, possibly because they didn't feel like making a 2nd animation for 2 scenes. Of course, if this is all true, this means that they actually opened EIGHT Keyholes, which is definitely confusing.Neo Bahamut (talk) 08:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

It's also a question of when a world is one of the sleeping worlds. Of course Destiny Island becomes one in KH and is returned to the Realm of Light at the end of the game, but we never explore this (sleeping) world in KH3D, we only see how it falls into darkness. At the time of KH3D it's simply no sleeping world anymore which is just another thing that is confusing about the time travel. Sora and Riku start their journey in the past but appear in TWTNW at the present time. I think Yen Sid's idea of unlocking seven keyholes of sleep to acquire a new power is totally random and not supported by anything actually seen in the game. 17:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)