Talk:Kingdom Hearts

This could really use a better name... any ideas? Scott ch 17:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...I have no problems with it, but perhaps "Kingdom Hearts (dominion)"?DannyP 20:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)DannyP
 * What about Kingdom Hearts (heart)? Scott ch 01:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Dunno, that seems a little awkward. Maybe we should just stick with the original, or call it "Kingdom Hearts (object)"?

A Question
Umm, this may sound stupid, but is the Kingdom Hearts over The World That Never Was the same as the Heart of All Worlds. Or maybe it confuse everyone to say that there are actually two Kingdom Hearts. . . es, one the Heart of All Worlds and one created by the Nobodies by gathering hearts from Heartless? --A Heart of Balance 20:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Door to...
I'm pretty sure the actual name for the door is the Door to Darkness, but it's also worth mentioning that it leads to Kingdom Hearts. how about putting in both as a compromise?  Scott ch  23:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Hitari's Reply to this
Sorry but that doesnt make sense. Kingdom hearts wouldn't become yellow just because someone's eyes changed. The moon is the exact color as kingdom hearts. This is why someone professional should be handling the articles in wiki's. Also this is the reason now days why why wiki's cant be trusted.

Now wouldn't that be a great twist. Kingdom hearts changes color because Terra's eyes changes color. Thats total BS. Im sure the human brain's capacity allows logic to go at least a little further than that.

I thimk they meant that Terra's Eyes seemed to change because they reflected kingdom hearts; like a mirror

Possible Connection to BBS
I´ve got a question:Everbody says that the heartless are seeking Kingdom hearts.But Kingdom Hearts is in the darkness so they have to know where it is.Given that heartless can feel hearts and kingdom hearts is like the biggest heart in existence why would they seek it?They just have to know where it is.I am also pretty sure that the heartless were the ones who created Kingdom Hearts since its made out of Hearts wich were stolen by Heartless.

For all we know.203.105.95.93 12:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Blue Heart?
Quoth Trivia section: "In Kingdom Hearts II, the first battle with Armored Xemnas takes place inside Kingdom Hearts, when Xemnas had absorbed its power and turned Kingdom Hearts into a replica of The World That Never Was. During the fight, after the Altar of Naught is crumbling a large blue heart can be seen. "

Can we get picture proof of this? I just watched the cutscenes and boss fights, and saw no blue heart anywhere. This could be a good link between KHII and BbS, or pure BS. I think it should be further looked into by those with capable hands here on this wikia.203.105.95.93 12:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I know that at one point, Riku and Sora look off into the distance and see a blue something, sparkling and all. Is that what they could be talking about?99.174.166.189 18:04, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

NOT Really Kingdom Hearts
For one thing, there's no chance that we were really anywhere near the REAL Kingdom Hearts in either final boss battles of I or II. For one thing, it was all dark inside Kingdom Hearts during Xehnanort's battle and then it's all light and stuff against Xemnas. They CAN'T be the real Kingdom Hearts, but alternate dimensions. --Narutoheroes12 00:11, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * So, you're basing your assumptions on what Kingdom Hearts looks like on what, then? Glorious  CHAOS!  03:15, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Let's see. Kingdom Hearts is a sort of driving force, as Nomura puts it.
 * In the first place, can it be seen ?
 * Is what Xehanort/Xemnas calls "Kingdom Hearts" actually a man-made replica of a greater power ? Answer : Probably yes, because if (as Xemnas puts it) "Oh no, my Kingdom Hearts is in ruins", and if Kingdom Hearts is a lifeforce, then all would be immediately destroyed as there is no lifeforce to govern all things. Or, at least, that's how I'm seeing it.
 * What ARE those heart-shaped things in the sky from BBS to KHII, then ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 03:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure where you're getting that Kingdom Hearts is just a driving force. The games describe it pretty literally as a unified construct of lost worlds and lost hearts. Xemnas and Xehanort's Kingdom Hearts may be artificial, but they still are a "Kingdom Hearts". Based on the Door to Darkness mythology and the extra-significance of the Princesses of Heart, added to the fact that Xehanort's Heartless didn't know that that last door would destroy him, it's unlikely that it was a construct (at least, by humans), so that's probably the real Kingdom Hearts. No, we're not within the Kingdom Hearts in KH1, but no-one ever claims that we are - we're outside of it, the Darksides are inside.
 * As for being within it in KHII - We went in a door, but was that actually a door to Kingdom Hearts? Or just the last door, like the one to the Destiny Islands fragments? It would seem likely that we are within it in the final final battle, as it's supposed to be as close to darkness as possible, but seems like it is based on Xemnas's nothingness. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:35, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I think I'm lost. We were outside the real KH in the first game, but we weren't in the second game, right ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 04:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct. In KH we fight outside the door to Kingdom Hearts (the heart of all worlds). Then in KHII we fight inside Xemnas's Kingdom Hearts (a construct made of the neumerous hearts freed by the Keyblade). That should be accurate. Brago-77 05:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so I still need the response to the other question : what were those heart-shaped things in the sky in BBS and KHII ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 05:28, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I have no idea what that big blue heart is in BBS, and nobody else really does either for that matter. As for the other one, what heart shaped thing are you talking about in KHII? Brago-77 05:37, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

The apparent replica of Kingdom Hearts which Xemnas created. Is it just a replica or is it something more ?  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 05:57, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's an artificial Kingdom Hearts. Somehow he diverted released hearts to his KH instead of the natural one, but they explain that they are building a Kingdom Hearts. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Dammit, there're just too many questions arising.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 09:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Now hold on a minute, who said that hearts released by the Keyblade go to the original Kingdom Hearts? The first Kingdom Hearts we see is supposedly the heart of all worlds in existence, but we don't know for sure if it is actually made up of smaller hearts in the same way that Xemnas's Kingdom Hearts is. Man this is complicated. Brago-77 14:27, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Excluding game script mentions:
 * "At the center of the heart Xehanort has stolen was "Kingdom Hearts," which attracts tremendous darkness itself and attempts to send any and all matter back into its depths."
 * "Meanwhile, the King, who had dived into the realm of darkness, worked with the Keyblade-wielding hero to close the door to Kingdom Hearts from the realms of both darkness and light, thus holding off the threat of tremendous darkness."
 * "Xehanort, who took everything away from me. Though as a Heartless he is no more, as the leader of Organization XIII his ambition once again is to capture Kingdom Hearts, the most colossal heart of all."
 * "His Heartless had attempted to draw out the great darkness of Kingdom Hearts, created from the hearts of all worlds. His Nobody, however, is now almost finished gathering human hearts to be assimilated into Kingdom Hearts as well."
 * "I - Until now in the Kingdom Hearts (hereafter KH) Series, there have been 2 types of "Kingdom Hearts" referring to the Heart of Worlds and the Heart of Men, could you explain the mechanics of this?
 * "Think of the basic setting of KH as "All life has a heart". The heart of a world can be considered the things of nature; for example, the trees in a forest, a sea or river, a flower and so forth. When they all come together to form a world a large heart will come into existence. And concerning the hearts designated to men, all the hearts of humans and animals living in the world are integrated. As for Kingdom Hearts, think of it as if the heart is essentially the culmination of an invisible "Proof of Life" "
 * "VIII - When the Heartless are defeated, what becomes of the stolen hearts? Also, when members of Organization XIII and other Nobodies are defeated, do they return to their original form?
 * "When Heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the Organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after Heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.
 * "In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the Heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form. "

So: Glorious  CHAOS!  15:37, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sora's wrong, Kingdom Hearts is darkness.
 * It is the most colossal heart of all, and is a physical culmination of the invisible "hearts" within all people and worlds.
 * The first Kingdom Hearts, in KH1, is a Kingdom Hearts of Worlds, while Xemnas's is a Kingdom Hearts of People. So, when a World is consumed, it and all the hearts connected to it are subsumed into the original Kingdom Hearts, but when you just have someone going around destroying Heartless, the released hearts go back to their bodies, or reside in the ether. However, Xemnas somehow manipulated this (probably the same way he created the automatic Emblem Heartless process) so that these released hearts instead unify into an artificial, less massive Kingdom Hearts.

Indeed, it's the most colossal heart of all. But now that you mention that KH is darkness, then I'm beginning to wonder where that light actually came from.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 03:23, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

But Kingdom Hearts isn't darkness itself, is it? I just thought it was surrounded by an immense darkness, in the depths of the dark realm, which is why Xehanort's Heartless was after it. Brago-77 03:41, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * So Xehanort's Heartless warped himself to believe that KH is darkness, when in actual fact it's light surrounded by darkness... or what ?  TNÉ  <font color="#1E90FF">En avant <font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo ! 03:44, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, yeah that's about right. Brago-77 03:47, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Nice. A megalomaniac meets his end at the hands of a kid. Now that's revolutionary indeed. But I'm actually waiting to see KH as it is - and I wonder if they'll actually give us that scene.  TNÉ  <font color="#1E90FF">En avant <font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo ! 03:51, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that Kingdom Hearts is not light - otherwise Sora, Mickey, and Riku wouldn't have had to close it off to prevent an "immense spread of darkness". There may be some light in that darkness (there always is, according to Mickey), but it's primary nature is darkness, like the Heart, and the Heartless. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:47, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know for sure. For all we know, they could just close the way to the heart off. For now, we'll just assume that KH is a tiny light in the midst of great darkness... which makes it darkness.  TNÉ  <font color="#1E90FF">En avant <font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo ! 14:49, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

the light within that darkness is kingdom hearts.and the darkness outside the light is kingdom hearts as well.

Woah!
What happened to our image? This is a rather popular articles; we need an image. -- Door To  Nothing  00:40, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute : I thought we already had one ?  TNÉ  <font color="#1E90FF">En avant <font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo ! 01:19, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Kryten. -- Door To  Nothing  02:48, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I DON'T GET THIS
I don't get it,

In Kingdom Hearts II, it seems like Organization XIII are using the Keyblade to gather hearts and create Kingdom Hearts. It almost seems like it can be created. And I thought they had it sorted out that only the Seven Princesses can open the Final Keyhole that leads to Kingdom Hearts. It's so confusing.--Charmed-Jay 10:34, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Kingdom Hearts in KHII is an artificial one created by Xemnas. One thing I don't understand, though, is how Xemnas directs the flow of hearts to the artificial one. The real Kingdom Hearts, seen in the first game, lies behind the Door to Darkness, and can only be opened by the seven Princesses of Heart. <font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup <font color="#1E90FF">Agi  <font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !  10:57, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Here's a problem: if the Organization has been around since the end of BbS, why is their KH nonexistent at the beginning of Days? What about all the hearts Sora released in KH1? Where did they go? 68.190.210.240 01:26, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Xemnas may have needed enough hearts to give it physical form. Either that or he hadn't even started yet.-- Random! to a point!  01:28, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Translation of Xehanort Report
While the basic translation in and of itself is basically reliable, as we did for weapon and item pages, I am highly uncomfortable with using unofficial translations of intricately worded material in order to make major revisions to other articles. Stuff like this, that reinterprets the core mythology of the series...I really feel we should wait until the game is released in English to make these kind of edits. Glorious  CHAOS!  07:29, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

hypothesis
I have a hypothesis about what the different Kingdom Hearts might be. 1. Deep within the realm of darkness exist the true Kingdom Hearts formed out of the hearts of living beings and worlds 2. The yellow Kingdom Hearts is an artificial replica created solely of the hearts of living beings by destroying heartless with a Keyblade and the hearts getting diverted. 3. The blue Kingdom Hearts is an artificial replica that formed solely out of the hearts of worlds created upon bringing a heart of pure light and a heart of pure darkness are ready to fight each other. 4. It is impossibe to replicate a Kingdom Hearts with both components together. 76.108.136.28 02:35, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Multiple ways to get kingdom hearts?
I was just thinking about this for a while, there are a lot of ways to get Kingdom Hearts. One way is to gather The Princesses of Heart to open The Door To Darkness to get Kingdom Heart's power, another way is to release the hearts in Heartless to create Kingdom Hearts (the heart of men) and then get it's power and then lastly you can combined one heart of pure light and one of pure darkness to create The X-Blade, thus summoning Kingdom Hearts (the heart of worlds) and using The X-Blade to get it's power. Whew... my brain hurts just thinking about it!

Is the KH from BBS the same as the one behind the door to darkness from KH?
This would make sense seeing as they are both KH's of worlds rather than an artificial KH created from men. This could mean that when Master Xehanort summons the Blue KH in the Keyblade graveyard he is summoning the one locked behind the door to darkness in KH1. This could only make sense because of the fact that the x-blade was going to be forged. After the loss of the X-blade Ansem seeker of darkness would have to try to acess it through the 7 princesses. ...have i hit the nail on the head or am i wrong, in which case there would be two hearts of all worlds which wouldnt really make sense???

True. Kingdom Hearts is really more of a phenomenon than an actual world, as it appears on its own when hearts gather together, either hearts of worlds or hearts of people. (Although I'm not sure why MX was able to summon it to the Keyblade Graveyard.) -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  17:28, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

No there is DEFINATLY more than one: -the one of people's hearts ... World that never was -the one of the world's hearts... behind the door to darkness + the keyblade graveyard (pretty sure they are one and the same its just MX summons it with the forging of the X blade.

World Logo
Would it be appropriate to use the logo of the first KH game as the world logo for Kingdom Hearts? Or should we use the bare heart that's behind all the logos? You know, so we could at least have something there. 66.215.20.249 23:40, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not how it works, though. We don't create "info" to fill the gaps the writers left.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  06:31, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Moon instead of the Door?
Is it just me, or does anyone think it would be more apporpirate to have the Kingdom Hearts Moon instead of the door leading to it as the picture for the article?

Just personally, I think that the moon is a much broader symbol of KH, it's used to reprisent Kingdom Hearts in all the games that it appears in except the first.

But it's just a sugestion. What do you guys think? KeyToTheKingdom 22:21, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I think you may be right. Now thst I'm thinking about it, the door was always meant to be the door to kingdom hearts (at least i think it is. Kingdom Hearts is a very confusing series) while the heart actually is kingdom hearts-- 22:35, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Something's not right...
Unlikely, since Kingdom Hearts is supposed to be a gathering of hearts together... -- 07:14, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Logo for KH
Wouldn't the logo be the actual game logo? Since it's Kingdom Hearts, no? 14:58, 15 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Eh, I guess if it was mandatory that we have a logo, we could find some reason to justify using the actual game logo. I think we've held off on an actual logo because: 1- an offical, confirmed logo for the actual world has not been released. 2- a possibility of the world becoming a legit, playable world in a future game?-- Xion 4  ever  15:12, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

I'm not even sure why we're even calling it a world. -- 15:52, 15 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Darn it, my comment didn't save.
 * No, the game logo wouldn't fit.
 * Isn't Kingdom Hearts said to be a world itself? 16:20, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

Where? -- 16:28, 15 July 2011 (EDT)
 * In-game Kingdom Hearts is called the heart of all worlds it is not in any moment called a world, unless it is said to be a world in some interview we should probably change the article--19:49, 15 July 2011 (EDT)
 * I absolutely do not want to go back to "combined world heart". If we ABSOLUTELY have to move this (and I'm not sure that we do), then Kingdom Hearts should be the title, with a "seealso" link to a general disambiguation. 01:17, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

It's not a world. The only point in favor of calling it a place at all is the fact that, unless I understand it wrong, the second fight with Xemnas takes place inside Kingdom Hearts itself. But Kingdom Hearts is more of an occurance, or a phenomenon. -- 00:12, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Fine, then move it to Kingdom Hearts, and move the infobox stuff back into the lead. 01:56, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Xehanort's Report calls it an "entity". I'm willing to go with that. -- 02:24, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Sure, but if we're not going to use standard parsers, there's no real need to use a parser at all. This is the true Kingdom Hearts -- all other occurrences of the term are based on this. We can move it to the unparsed title, and use a youmay in the lead to go to the disambig page. 02:35, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

So we parse the series page, then? -- 02:41, 17 July 2011 (EDT)