Talk:Dark Hide


 * Last time that was suggested for Sunset Horizons, people blew a gasket. People are still fuming over Lingering Will, too, and that one has a much stronger, more direct case. 01:04, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
 * No one's blowing a gasket now. And it is a better name than "Unnamed Heartless", you have to admit. -- 00:40, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
 * I was actually going to move and change the page to "Hunter of the Dark" as a temporary name until announced... which I doubt won't be in a while. 02:24, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Personally, I'm against it. The name of a track is really not a reliable source, as we've seen, but my real reason is that we should probably be trying to do better on keeping speculation to a minimum. I'm not dead set against it, but that's my stance. (Also, if it weren't for Lord of the Sky, I'd say "Hunter of the Dark" doesn't sound like a Heartless name at all.) -- 13:10, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Especially since "Ruler of the Sky" is the dub for "Sky Ruler". 22:07, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

I think we're jumping the gun here if we go straight to naming it "Hunter of the Dark". I thought of it too, but I'll decide against it, because if someone can find a reliable enough hack from BBSFM or a future journal entry, that might resolve everything. Tambours Néant  Ensemble !  06:20, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

...Exept he has no journal entry, and, at least the model files, dont have a proper name.--''' Dark-En   igmaXIII   11:42, 22 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Bit Sniper is listed in the Ultimania and Bradygames guides. 02:01, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

Heartless
It was in the middle of the Realm of Darkness, so I'd assume it would be a Heartless. 20:21, 8 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Also, if it was a Nobody of some sort, it wouldn't be using elemental attacks, and it would convulse and deform itself throughout the battle.  20:25, 8 July 2011 (EDT)


 * It has Heartless eyes and the Heartless mouth. Nobodies do not have eyes, and it does not have the Nobody mouth. Anti-Saix is only considered a Nobody because he IS SAIX, just a fighting game-style recolor. 01:27, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

It's like an extension of the corridors of Darkness, used for travel by all Heartless (as that is how they ALL appear, and, if you move too far away, how they dissappear). 17:07, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Xabryn.

The being is made of darkness. That much is inarguable.

Heartless are defined as "the beings that are made from darkness." In practice, this means that they are either the reflection of or created form the darkness within people's hearts. But by definition, any being made of darkness is a Heartless. I do appreciate you wanting us to stick to policy, and here's the solid evidence we have so that this is not speculation. 23:25, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
 * I'm sorry to intrude, but didn't Xabryn say to drop the subject twice? 23:59, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Both times he's said that he's tacked on some new argument that begs for a response. Though I will give you credit again, Xabryn; you're very good about bringing this up and keeping the discussion to the talk page rather than changing things immediately.03:05, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

I know, I just can't help it, when I see an argument like the one Kryten just used I just feel an urge to argument it back.--Xabryn 08:43, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
 * It actually is necessarily true, Xabryn. Not only do we have no explicit word what Vanitas is (so it's possible Nomura could intend him to be a Heartless, he certainly has an emblem), but he has a HEART of pure darkness, so he could also be a normal being -- just like the Princesses of Heart are humans, not light-monsters. 23:47, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

UH's Render
Uh, guys! I found this uploaded by Soxra in The Keyhole Wiki. You think this can be a more suitable image?— Wing blade
 * You can't just up and take their image, you need to get the original uploader's permission, and I don't think that it's worth the trouble of asking him/her for it, seeing as how ours is perfectly functional. 09:25, 26 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Actually, although we can't use that image, I certainly would appreciate a full-body image like that. The one we have is good, but it only really illustrates the face. 09:36, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

The original image was found by Dark-EnigmaXIII, it was "touch up" by Soxra to remove the edge. So you have to ask him if you want to use it, though I doubt he would say yes... 13:38, 26 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Actually Chaser, DE rendered it... he didn't "find" it... :P
 * Again, I don't want us to use their image. It's their image. I want us to try to create our own UH image that shows the full body. 14:54, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

Guys, I was expecting someone to kindly ask for one, but since none of you thought of the simplest solution, I decided to give you guys one just to be nice, and because Shard approach to the image bussines really touched me. Collaboration between wikis, that's what I want. I wouldnt have denied a render. Just wanted to say that, because it looks like if you didnt want to ask me for it.--''' Dark-En   igmaXIII   21:17, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The point wasn't to offend you by not asking for the render, we want to use our own image since we're different Wikis. The offer is much appreciated, though. 21:24, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The image I provided now is not on wikia anymore. I deleted it in order to respect you guys desire. But have you realized I could have done another render, with a different pose, anytime I wished? I just find it stupid that you never thought of the simplest solution...--''' Dark-En   igmaXIII   21:28, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with DE... there is really no shame in asking. Yes, the reason was to differentiate the Wikis, but if we are willing to provide you with images that we don't use, where's the harm, right? I'm glad to have seen Shard come forward and ask us about inter-Wiki events, and I do wish that others wouldn't be afraid to as well.
 * Thank you guys, this one looks really awesome. --ShardofTruth 21:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. Let this be a token for our new image relantionship ^^--''' Dark-En   igmaXIII   00:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Official Render
Courtesy of KH13.com - http://kh13.com/forum/gallery/image/40037-by5261iciaiwcg/ - 04:08, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Dammit, they couldn't have included its name in the scan??
 * EDIT: WAIT. IT'S CALLED "DARK HIDE"? (ダークハイド) -- 06:22, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Now we have its official name! Let's move it? 06:38, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm all for it! -  07:35, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yup. 15:05, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't we wait for the official English release? I mean, it's only two months from now, and the final name could be changed before then for the English release. 15:37, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * That really depends if we get a better official English guide this time around or not. If it's as craptastic as Prima's 1.5 ReMIX guide chances are we won't get the English name at all so I vote to move everything to the Japanese name and add a translation template. 15:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I think it should be moved to "Dark Hide" now. It's a much more stable name than "Unnamed Heartless" and if the English release gives us a name, we can always move the page again. 16:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. Anything is better than "Unnamed Heartless". 16:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * If we're lucky, there will be a place for a name in the game itself, so we won't have to rely on a crappy English guide. But yes, let's move and add a translation template. -- 17:51, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Maybe in 2.5, yes. 17:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hm, why did we go for Dark Hide instead of Darkhide when the name is obviously a reference to (or even a pun of) Darkside? -- 23:25, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * "Darkhide" is better, I think. 23:31, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't consider the name a pun of "Darkside." "Dark Hide" refers to the darkness and its camouflage abilities; it "hides" in the "dark"ness. - 03:12, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the Darkside's name refers to it being the darker side of a person, so the name is being conjoined there too. 19:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)