Talk:Dark Riku

Needs a page
Since Dark Riku is confirmed to be a separate character for Kingdom Hearts III the redirect to Dark Mode needs to be removed so a page can be set up. -Adv193 (talk) 22:14, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Should Dream Drop Distance count
Since the game revealed that the original Riku Replica's heart had been with Riku's the entire time should anyone consider that it was Dark Riku, and not Riku Replica who appeared in Prankster's Paradise in Dream Drop Distance. -Adv193 (talk) 15:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Does it make sense, timeline wise? It's my understanding that Vexen was not brought back until after DDD, so this Riku replica wasn't made yet. That would also make Demyx one of the members in the Round Room, and the Riku we see in Monstro a product of the dream? Also, didn't the Riku Replica say he joined Riku after wandering the Realm of Darkness? Joveus (talk) 16:07, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Not that I am disagreeing, but for argument's sake I would point out that Ienzo states that Even went missing shortly after Lea left Radiant Garden (so when he went to Disney Castle and helped Mickey save Minnie from Pete and Maleficent). After this point and up until part way through KHIII, Dilan and Aeleus had been turning Radiant Garden upside-down looking for Even. Also for argument's sake, Demyx doesn't appear and make mention of being benched due to the incorporation of the Replicas until after Arendelle in KHIII, so it's really anyone's guess. Demyx, though, would definitely be among the twelve who appeared in KHDDD. (Levi657 (talk) 00:43, 14 February 2019 (UTC))

In KHDDD Riku says that the cloaked Riku in Prankster's Paradise was his "dark side" and that now he was "facing himself" rather than Ansem or Riku Replica. In KH3 it's thought by Riku (and other characters) that Dark Riku is the evil him from the past. I think it's pretty clear from Riku's words in the two games that the cloaked Riku in DDD was Dark Riku. --Vanitas (talk) 22:47, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Except that Riku was completely and totally unaware that Xehanort was working to create another Organization and so was only speaking in a metaphorical sense rather than a literal one. Also, in KH3, Riku made no mention of the him that he saw in Monstro. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 04:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Not Riku Replica
Why are we claiming that this is a separate character from Riku Replica? My understanding was that it was Riku Replica, just from the period that he was brainwashed. 16:21, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I am confused by this, as well. The game goes to great lengths to make us believe this is Riku from when Ansem possessed him, or rather, his heart inside a replica's body. Then the scene in Keyblade Graveyard takes place, in which we are supposed to think this is another version of the Riku Replica inside Riku's heart (from KHCoM). Even after this, the game still calls this guy "Dark Riku" and says nothing to suggest it is the Riku Replica. Only the "possessed Riku" stuff remains... - 16:27, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * For time-traveling they need a piece of Xehanort's heart, because Xehanort got time travel powers. Riku Replica doesn't have Xehanort's heart in him, so it would make more sense to be Riku from when Ansem possessed him. The game is pretty vague about this, though. Hopefully the Ultimania will provide a solid answer. 18:03, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to back up KrystenKoro. This is not Riku from when Ansem possessed him at all. This is a time travelling Riku Replica from when he was still brainwashed. First of all, the scene when Dark Riku is defeated is very clear. Riku Replica says clearly that Dark Riku is him, and not Riku-Ansem (also backed up by the fact that Dark Riku goes full "I'm the real one, not you" to Riku, just like Riku Replica did). As for the rest, Dark Riku is thought to be Riku-Ansem by Sora, which is normal (let's not forget that Sora do not remember the events of COM, so he can't remember Riku Replica and think about him); and by Mickey & Riku before Yen Sid's arrival (they prolly thought Dark Riku being Riku-Ansem is the most obvious choice?). For the time-traveling part, let's not forget that in DDD, it was proven that Young Xehanort was the one who went back in time to retrive all the other Xehanort, before turning them into vessel for Master Xehanort. The same prolly happened there. Lady Junky (talk) 09:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Someone did comparisons of the EN and JP dialogue here, with the implication being (but not confirmed, so best to keep it off the page for now) that this is essentially the “dark” half of Riku Replica, with the one seen talking to Riku occasionally being the “light” half (kinda similar to a Ventus/Vanitas situation).  Ultima Spark   (talk)  Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png 10:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed with the idea that this isn't Dark Riku, it's the Replica. He mutters "I'm the real one..." when you beat him which was the replica's line, then the replica inside Riku (the good one) says that "it's me." Time travel doesn't even need to happen because the Replica faded to darkness and we've seen instances when that didn't count as death before.

In either case we probably do need to wait until we get more info, though I'd also be up for changing this to the Replica page based just on the quotes upon his defeat. Whatever works. 00:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * We need to wait. Regardless of the what the dialogue suggests, the Journal and other aspects of the game do not support this. Ultimania is our go-to source, and that comes out in a couple weeks. - 00:10, 14 February 2019 (UTC)