User talk:EternalNothingnessXIII

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"The" Keyblade
I think that adding "Keyblade" after the weapon name is superficial, and that the definite article isn't needed. Isn't the simplest, most concise way of wording these sentences be in the manner of "Oathkeeper has ____ as an equipment ability" and "Guardian Soul has ____ as an equipment ability". This makes sense because the Keyblade names are considered proper nouns, so they do not use articles (in the same why, you wouldn't use a person's name and say "the" or "a" before it). Thoughts? 13:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I am in full agreement with you. The problem is, it's already so widespread across the Wiki in the form of the weapon articles. I personally prefer saying "Make sure you equip the Ultima Weapon" instead of "Make sure you equip Ultima Weapon," but I, too, do think that the definite article should be dropped, at least in most cases. I am tempted to use the Heartless/Nobody/Unversed/Dream Eater articles to counter your argument, but that is a whole new kettle of worms. - 13:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd say there are two instances: weapon names that are entirely a name or proper noun (e.g. Oblivion) and weapon names that consist of an adjective and noun. With the former, it's natural to use without the article because it's like using a person's name ("Oblivion has..." and "John has...). The latter should have a definite article because that's what you'd use in natural speech (e.g. the Ultima Weapon, the Guardian Soul etc.). I'd say we should use whatever sounds more natural in each case, rather than having one consistent rule. 13:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly. But now we face the challenge of changing pretty much everything to do with weapons on the Wiki to reflect this. There will probably be some arguments as to what "sounds natural" to someone, as well. - 13:40, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, what I can confirm is we cannot be saying the Oblivion, the Oathkeeper, or the Fenrir. Please, none of that. To be honest, it's a minor issue so I don't think it's worth going on a massive spree to change all of them. But it's just those three that are completely wrong.  14:21, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, I completely agree with you. At least those three are an exception to the definite article placement "rule." But look at the Organization XIII weapons. Several of them should be exceptions, too. - 14:25, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup, most probably. 14:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * So I guess it's just a matter of sound appeal when you get right down to it. I'm more than willing to help go through the weapon articles and remove the definite articles where appropriate later today, once my classes are done with. It'll go faster if we split the work. - 14:28, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Something just sounds wrong about leaving "the" off of Oathkeeper, especially because it's a title, like "Guardian". "The" just sounds more natural to me. also, the fact that pretty much none of the weapons in the series are singular entities -- they're all forms of a weapon, and are often forms shared between wielders. I'm not familiar enough with the rules for definite articles to point to which bylaw it's violating, but it just sounds...wrong. 14:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Which proves ENX's point of "There will probably be some arguments as to what "sounds natural" to someone". Put it down to a vote? 15:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I personally agree with both of you. At times, the direct article is not needed. But there are certainly plenty of times where it is needed, too, even if a certain weapon fits the category of "direct article not needed." If this is gonna turn into an all-out community discussion, I request that this conversation be continued in a forum (if it hasn't already) :P - 17:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)