Talk:Vanitas/Archive 2

Explanation for Vanitas/Sora/Ven
Random person here that you most likely won't care to here from but there was a rough translation of the Xehanort reports and cutscenes that explains Vanitas. Ven was a normal keyblade wielder made apprentice to Master Xehanort, Master Xehanort was disapointed that Ven would not use his dark powers and so he extracted Ven's darkness and made Vanitas. At this time we still do not see Vanitas's face. This extracture left Ven in a coma state because he did not have enough light to live. So Master Xehanort took Ven's comatose body to Destiny Island, Master Xehanort's home world, so Ven could have a peacefull place to sleep. Then unexpectedly Ven's heart connected with one of the residents of Destiny Island, this is young sora. Sora has always had the ability to connect his heart with anyone and had sensed Ven's broken heart. "sora is known as the boy who can connected his heart to anyone". Sora being the nice kid he was connects his heart with the broken heart station of to repair Ven's heart with light. This is why Ven ends up being a pure hearted person (his darkness was already removed). Because the part Sora filled up with in Ven's heart was actually the part where Vanitas (his darkness) had rested it changed Vanitas's face to look like sora's instead of Ven's. Master Xehanort was then startled by Ven waking up and having enough light to survive (not knowing about sora). He then made a plan to use vanitas and Ven to his advantage. He wanted to create the X-blade and use it to unlock Kingdom hearts. The only way to do that is for a heart of pure darkness and pure light to fight in a life or death battle then the keybalde will be created by their natural clashing hearts. Vanitas was the pure darkness and Ven was the pure light Master Xehanort planned to use.

It's your choice if you don't believe me on this or not but I can guarentee you I'm not lieing. Or just wait for yourself and see when we have the english version come out. 24.7.239.218 02:18, January 19, 2010 (UTC)Random guy

Riku and Vanitas really aren't that similar. If anything Terra and Riku are a lot more a like right down to sharing. nearly the same fate. The only difference is riku's heart was ejected from his own body while Terra's heart was fused into Master Xehanort's.....oh and that whole minor "regain ownership of his body" thing.

If your talking about the Darksuit it's a bit unclear on that. Vanitas was created with that suit on so there are really only two things it could be. The first is that it's a symbol of apprenticeship to Xehanort. Vanitas was created to be Master Xehanort's apprentice so it it's not far fetched to think when MX created Vanitas he created him with that suit as a symbol to show him that he's his true apprentice. Ven was a total reject because he refused to use the power of darkness that he had. Riku is also in a sense an apprentice of Xehanort in many ways. First off young riku has been influenced for a long time by Ansem SoD (the heartless of Master xehanort and terra). He's the reason in KH1 riku doesn't fear the dark, he baited riku to open the door to DI's heart, he is also the one who sent riku to maleficent, which was revealed in coded. While I can't remember where I did once read that soul eater was a metaphor for Ansem SoD taking him under his wing. Hence it's a dark evil bat wing, along with the nature of this weapon is that it needs the power of darkness to be unleashed. Maleficent only ever unlocked the darkness that was already sleeping in Riku's heart. But riku's use of darkness was a bit to skilled to be natural. It's likely that Ansem SoD is the one who taught riku how to use dark mode, this is also very likely why Riku was so trusting and accepting when some random phantom dude offers him a keyblade of his own. Even in RE:CoM Ansem asks riku to serve him once again. Also another thing to support this is that Terra promised to make riku his apprentice. Terra lets riku grab ahold of his keyblade to see if riku was a worthy wielder. When he saw that riku could hold on to the keyblade he told young riku that one day when your stronger seek me out and I will train you. In the end Riku was trained by terra in a sense..except it was just a really evil fusion heart of terra that trains him.

The other thing the dark suit could be is just a manifestation made by people with extreme powers over darkness. I mean vanitas was nothing but darkness and he had the suit at birth. Riku gained the dark suit once maleficent unlocked all of Riku's power over darkness that slept in his heart. Though personaly I think the apprentice thing is more likely.

The only other similarity between Vanitas and riku is the way they hold their weapons. This is barely a similarity because in battle Vanitas is actually in a crouching stance like sora is when he uses the keyblade.But holding his keyblade above the head fits perfectly with the whole apprentice deal. Both Riku and Vanitas can be considered apprentices of Master Xehanort, and who teaches you how to fight? Thats right your master does, and as such Master Xehanort/Ansem SoD taught Vanitas/Riku that weapon stance with holding it above your head like that.

Or since only the keyblade holding part is similar to riku it could have very likely just been a coincidence or red herring planted by Nomura like he did with Xion.

Anyway hopefull the ultimania thats coming out will clear this stuff up, and also even more hopefully is that we get more clear translations of the cutscene's and Xehanort reports. But like I said your free to believe or wait for your self to see24.7.239.218 22:36, January 19, 2010 (UTC)Random guy

Riku use the battle stance before he know Xehanort, and there is also the Dark mode similar to Vanitas's suit that he also get before Xehanort. and as i said he act a little bit like Vanitas in the first KH.--Xabryn 22:50, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

I just down right explained the Dark mode suit and that Xehanort was effecting riku MUCH longer than his short time in Hollow Bastion. No not really Vanitas barely acts like riku at all. The only similarity if they are both a bit cocky but thats to be expected, Vanitas was stronger than Ven and he knew it. He also knew Terra, Aqua, or Ven didn't have it in them for a long time the ability to defeat him. He was cocky because he thought the plan work out perfectly and well it actually did till the VERY end where Ven beats Vanitas and Aqua using the power of friendships destroys the X-blade and defeats vanitas in the real world. Vanitas also acts cocky in an atempt to anger Ven and make him stronger. He tries to break the bonds Aqua has with Terra and Ven several times. Along with he used Terra and Ven's feellings of frienship for Aqua against them to make Terra and Ven both do what Master Xehanort planned.

Other wise vanitas and riku act nothing alike. Riku was hurt and jelous of sora, doing what he could to help his friend kairi while further distance himself form sora and then spent the longest time in a pitty phase. Riku was cocky because he always thought he was better than sora at stuff (he said so himself in KH2) and was even more so when he stole the keyblade back from sora.

So I don't see what similarities your seeing...24.7.239.218 04:48, January 20, 2010 (UTC)Random guy

oh sorry i didn't saw the darksuit thing, and yes is the thing of they both being a bit cocky, but there is also the thing of riku/vanitas holding out his hand to sora/ven, i don't know if it is just in the opening or in the game it also appear but i was also thnking in this--Xabryn 13:24, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'm guessing no one here has played coded? Coded shows us things that happened in the world in kh1 that we didn't see. One of the first memories revealed is on DI as it's being sucked up, Ansem SoD in his phantom form appears and opens a dark corridor for Riku to go into. This is the real way Riku ended up off DI and shows he had met Ansem SoD before HB. Along with When the hooded figure appears and opens the portal riku looks at him and smiles instead of acting surprised, then calmly walks into the corridor of darkness.

Also several things were just translated from someone who was playing Terra' adventure. The first off is the voice in Ven's awakening tells him he's a new born heart. The Ven asks why, this is his heart. The voice replies I don't know I just saw shiny light and went towards it. Then some boring chat stuff and Ven tells the voice his heart is shattered and soon the rest will just break away as well. The voice said well why not connect your heart with mine? Let our hearts become one. Then the huge gapping hole in Ven's heart is filled with light. The voice then tells him one day he'll be able to fill his own heart by himself. Afterwards both Ven and the Voice say Lets open the door. Just a side note in that last line you can here two voice and one sounds like sora's. Of course at first this voice could be anyone's you would think. It's really not untill Ven asks if he can rest inside sora's heart again that you realise the new born heart was sora's. This then helps support the rough translations saying that sora's heart effected vanitas's face.

The second thing of importance translated was all of Terra's adventure in the Raident Garden. Along with the cutscene of Master Xehanort and Braig. After a bunch of anger issues between the two Master Xehanort tells braig he hasn't finished his job and terra's heart still had to much strong light. Then goes on to say ones heart that holds a strong light can't be stolen away. This explains the whole reason Master Xehanort was doign what he could to make Terra give into the darkness. The reason this is important is it helps connect coded and explains why Riku would end up at Maleficent's. Ansem SoD sent riku there because he knew that she could bring out darkness that slept in riku's heart. Because he planned from the beginning to steal riku's body and take in his heart, though it worked a bit differently and because of riku's annoyance Ansem SoD banished his heart into the dark realm.

Now lets piece together some stuff here. Kairi was sent off of RG to lead Ansem SoD to the keybalde wielder. She landed on DI almost 9-10 years before KH1 happens. So first off do you honestly believe Xehanort waited all 9 years before finally tracking down kairi? Oh and it should be noted that if you listen to the speech Master Xehanort put in his reports it's very close to what Riku was saying in Kh1.

Oh and you don't find it odd the riku knew about the door? That he knew that now it was open he could finally escape DI? You don't find it odd that riku acts like he's been around darkness for a long time? You don't find it odd that riku was so calm when both he and sora were being consumed by darknesss? Riku had a lot of knowledge for just an Island kid didn't he...

Anyway like I said riku has been influence by Xehanort's heartless/Ansem SoD for a lot longer than just that HB. And the dark suit is not shown to have been given by maleficent. We just see her unlock the last of the darkness that slept in riku's heart and then later BOOM he magically has it. Yet Vanitas had the same suit as well, now honestly Vanitas and riku have one real thing in common and that is Master Xehanort.

Ah and before I got for awhile I must leave you one last thing to think about. Master Xehanort planned to steal Terra's body but it's been just translated that Master Xehanort offers to make Terra his student because his current master feared the darkness. He then said to Terra his first task was to seek out Vanitas who would likely appear at RG. Right here Terra is serving Master Xehanort but Master Xehanort doesn't consider him his apprentice he considers Terra to be his host. The exact thing with riku as well, Ansem SoD offers riku dark powers and tells him to serve him once again but goes on to mention he'll make a fine host.24.7.239.218 01:47, January 21, 2010 (UTC)RandomGuy