Category talk:Entelechy

Seriously?
We are using the term Somebody? That is terrible.--XYZ. 02:49, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a canon alternative? Because Axel uses this in CoM specifically to refer to a complete person. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:37, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Human, for one. But that is only in regards to human characters. I don't ever remember Somebody being used as the canon term for a complete being. Within the series there are times where the word nobody was used without a capitol n, Zexion really makes it clear. So Axel uses somebody with a capitol s?--XYZ. 03:43, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * As I explained earlier, Axel says, "Nobodies can never be Somebodies", specifically referring to a complete being. As I recall, it was Riku Replica talking about not having a heart. Maybe Namine.
 * As you said, "Human" isn't fully applicable. It's even wrong on the basic issue, since Axel and Ansem, SoD are still humans - they're just also a Nobody and a Heartless.
 * As of now, "Somebody" is the only term that has been used within the series to refer to a being that has its original heart, body, and soul. If you can find any other term, please list it. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:54, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The line is "We Nobodies can never hope to be somebodies" ("Nobodies can't be somebodies" in the original COM), which Axel says to Namine when Sora reaches the 9th floor. Since "somebodies" is lowercase, I figure he means that Nobodies can't hope to have a meaningful existence, rather than saying Nobodies can't hope to become complete beings. This is the only time anyone says the word, and it seems from the way it's used that it wasn't intended to be an actual term. However, the point remains that we have no good alternative to "Somebodies", unless we just say "complete beings" (which I would totally be up for). --  Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  08:16, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * When is "complete being" used? Glorious  CHAOS!  15:32, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * ALSO:


 * Roxas, Days: "If I had a heart...would that make me somebody?"
 * Larxene, CoM: "Rewrite Sora's heart, and you can be somebody, not just the shadow of somebody."
 * Larxene, ReCoM: "Just do a good job rewriting Sora's heart. Then you can actually be somebody---and no longer just Kairi's shadow."
 * Axel, ReCoM: "Does it hurt, Naminé? Watching your two childhood friends fight all because of you? You have my sympathies. From the heart. But don't waste your time. We Nobodies can never hope to be somebodies."
 * I still can't find "complete being" or any variation in the scripts. Glorious  CHAOS!  15:42, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

while it does seem to be an extreeeeeeeeemel generic term, it is unfortunately the only one we have at the moment.--ShadowsTwilight 15:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * What about the Japanese scripts? Do they use the term "somebody"? --  Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  16:50, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have access to the Japanese scripts, sorry. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:23, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I've rewatched the scene with Axel in Japanese, and apparently he doesn't even say the term "Nobody", let alone "Somebody". Don't know enough Japanese to know exactly what it says, though. --  Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  20:11, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you provide me a link, I can try to translate it. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:57, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here you go. --  Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  22:51, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yes well Larxene also calls Sora heartless when he can't remember Naminé and then calls him the heartless hero after they fight, but this does not mean that Sora is literally a Heartless. It is a true ambiguous duality, Heartless and Nobodies, but the difference is whether or not the terms are capitalized.--XYZ. 00:38, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * ...Sora is a Heartless during CoM. That's why he needs to reunite with Roxas in KHII. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:40, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sora is a Heartless for five minutes before Kairi creates a vessel of light for his heart to reside in. Although he is less than human, he his not a Heartless.--XYZ. 00:45, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's still a Heartless, as much as Ansem SoD. Both of them have retrieved their human forms, but by nature, they only have their heart. That makes them a Heartless. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:45, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ansem Seeker of Darkness was not able to create a human form until after he possessed Riku and hijacked Riku's body. Before that he appeared as an amorphous, cloak.--ΧƳƵach. 06:52, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Read the Ansem Reports again, 2) Even with that interpretation, he is still a Heartless in that form. The games are very clear on this - the characters even remark on it in CoM. Glorious  CHAOS!  22:49, June 19, 2010 (UTC)