Talk:Sora

DISCUSSION

uh...okay now. I just added major points in the article, and I need help as well. So...yeah.

Age
I know this is kinda odd. but the subject of sora, kairi, and riku's ages in kh2 is kinda up in the air. It is never officially stated anywhere in KH2 exactly how old they are. but i would say that Sora and Kairi are 16 and Riku is 17. i know they were 2 years younger in KH1 but really. look at them. no one matures that much in a single year. especially sora. compare him to from both games. the level of maturity is so drastically different and its absurd to say he got all that in one year, the voice change, growth spurt and mental maturity. could people stop saying that they are 15 and 16 in KH2. i know it takes place a year after Chain of memories, but really people. Sora is 14 in KHI and KHCOM also he's 15 in KHII I read it in KH english websites. Cococrash11

the reason you think he sounds so different is because the age of sora and the age of his voice actor are slightly diproportional.--Foutlet 02:46, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

abilities
sorry to bother who ever is reading this but I just have one thing I don't understand

I'm not comlpaining so sorry if it sounds this way. I don't understand why no one has added a list of soras abilities under the section "abilities"

I know the people who work on this site got a lot to do so I pasted it at the bottom of the page(really sorry it takes up so much room) so if the members deside they want to add it its all here and a simple copy and past away (that should save some time)

Luis


 * Kingdom_Hearts_Abilities, this time, try actually reading it. Other than that, you can see same stuff, but in a different setup, here. --Hecko X 14:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

ok thanks sorry to bother you

Luis

Cleaning Up
This article could use some cleaning up.--Dreyfus 07:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, plus originality - it's pasted form Wikipedia. Scott ch 06:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Homosexuality
I can't help being bothered by my friend's comment about Sora being gay with Riku...... Do any of you guys think he's a fag? Because I don't know what to believe anymore... --Greyrose 12:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't. Fandoms will always perceive sexual relationships between characters whether they exist in canon or not (take all the Organization pairings, despite the fact that they can't really feel emotion and don't have hearts).  There are plenty of times where Sora's attraction to Kairi is made apparent, like when he's watching some couple get all lovey-dovey (Jasmine and Alladin maybe?) and Donald and Goofy tease him about thinking of Kairi.   Scott  ch  09:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks! At least there'll be less stress on the upcoming KH3 {-D --Greyrose 12:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

My friends give me the same crud... Though there is "proof" that he could be, you gotta remember: this is part Disney, and Disney can get pretty...well...out there, let's put it that way. Sora is not gay, he has obvious attractions to Kairi. As Kairi has obvious attractions to him. Case Closed. Period. Akamoron 20:55, 22 June 2008.

Well then you have to remember in Chain of memories, no pun intended, that in Destiny Islands he was going to Protect HER, or Namine/Kairi?, not HIM, or riku, and even his friends form the island tell him things hinting that he likes her very much KingdomKey 4:09 August 27,2008

Alright, look. A lot of people think he's gay, a lot don't. Either way, it's all arguably based on speculation, and as such should either be clearly classified as theory, or left out /entirely/, homosexual OR straight. Something like this is never actually confirmed in the games, and like an attribute such as height, bloodtype, or birth, should not be filled in falsely. Furthermore, cases can be made in both directions; anyone with expereince with basic social interactions and psychology could explain it. In addition, Nomura actually stated at one point that he wasn't pairing /anyone/ (that he invented for the series) together, as he perfered to leave it to 'fan interperitation', meaning it's up to each individual. So there is no answer. In sum - just let it go. Leave it out. It doesn't really belong here.

As I said, there's no such thing as "just friends" in Japanese franchises. In all seriousness, homosexuality isn't taboo in Japan, but it's not the doctrine of the land. In the series it's quite clear that, if anyone, Sora loves Kairi. Sure he's good friends with Riku, they've been through a lot together. I don't get where all these yaoi pairings come from, honestly. Drake Clawfang

Eh, I've heard too much about yaoi and I can't take not knowing. I'm out of the loop. It took a long time before I found out what a noob was. Anyways, it's obvious isn't it that he's attracted to Kairi isn't it? Like how with Sally and Jack, Aladdin and Jasmine, and others, he thinks about Kairi. Besides, I've heard stuff about Axel and Roxas, and Roxas is supposed to be with Namine, right? Xicera 15:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Well he could be bi but who knows.

Well what if he's attracted to Kairi and Riku. But didn't you read the last quote "but who knows"

That is just gross, I don't believe anything anything written in here should be here. Sora loves Kairi. Sora is friends with Riku, but they often want to kill each other. CAN WE NOT DISCUSS THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>:(--PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart 17:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to bring up the point again that Riku would punch Sora's teeth in any day of the week, so him having any intimate relationship with Riku doesn't seem logical. Besides the whole game series has him pointed towards Kairi like a compass points north. Keyblader 19:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

About Riku and the Keyblade
I removed the part about Riku being the "intended weilder" from this article and "Keyblade" due to lack of sufficient evidence. Its a theory, but its never stated in the game and therefore I dont think it should be said here.

At KHvids.com...

http://www.kh-vids.net/index.php?page=khcutv3

I recently watched the Destiny Islands scenes and the Hollow Bastion scenes, and none of them support the fact that Riku was the original intended owner.

Also, to me, the fact that The Awakening occurred at the very start of the game means that Sora would have had to be the keyblade wielder all alone. If anyone can support the data that I took out, they are welcome to prove me wrong and put it back in. However, until then, I'm removing it. Thanks. --Zephyrus11 02:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Answered my own question by finding this

http://www.khinsider.com/content/view/42/41/

Though my point about The Awakening still leaves me confused...

--Zephyrus11 05:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Nobody-ness?
Hey, has anyone else noticed this? We all know that Sora lost his heart by releasing it for Kairi, and that it created Roxas, blah blah blah. But has anyone noticed that since he doesn't have a heart (having given it back to Kairi), wouldn't that make him a nobody, too?! HarukaHeart13 00:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He basically went through a loophole that let him give his heart to Kairi while still keeping it for himself. XienZo 01:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, uh...that's kinda confusing. HarukaHeart13 02:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually...He didn't give his heart to Kairi, Kairi's heart was inside his (yes it's confusing, but it's Square-Enix). Therefore, he unlocked his heart to free hers, turning him into a heartless.  Kairi helped Sora see the "light" and put his heart back in order.  It wasn't really explaned, but that's what I got out of it.
 * Akamoron 21:05, June 22 2008

Alright, here's as clear as I'm going to see it. In the beginning of the game, as Destiny Islands was getting destroyed, do you remember that cutscene in the Secret Place, where Sora saw an illusion of Kairi come flying at him, then suddenly disappear just as he was about to catch her? From what I can see, there is evidence that it was at that point that Sora actually started housing Kairi's heart. When Sora stabbed himself with the dark Keyblade made out of the other Princesses' hearts, he released Kairi's heart from his own being, returning it to its original body, and lost his own heart in the process, which became the Shadow Heartless you temporarily play as. However, because of the strong connection made between their hearts, both when their hearts were separate from each other and when they were both housed inside Sora, Kairi managed to call his heart out of the darkness and bring him back to normal form. As to how he got a body back, now that's for your own speculation, especially since Roxas and Namine were supposed to be created from his body after the sacrifice. If it gets any clearer than that, someone please let me know. Keyblader 02:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Sora's height
You should put down the characters height like sora is around 5'2 or 5'3 so that would make kairi 5'1 or 5'2

No, we shouldent unless some official material states their height, otherwise it's just speculation which dosent belong on a Wiki.Brago-77 19:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

ok sorry to bother you

Concept
i found a spanish wiki that had a concept section for Sora so i thoguht it made sense that we put one up.

It is kind of odd that we don't have one, considering how much information there is on the subject... I mean, there's concept art sketches all over the place back from when Nomura was still thinking about making him this... wierd... lion... thing. On that note, we should probably mention the change his hair color undergoes from KH1 to KH2, given the Roxas article mentions the inverse observation.

sora and roxas's hair color
Do you people have problems with hair color in kh2 sora does not have ginger in his hair its blonde and roxas is blonde 2 Have you never played kingdom hearts II?

What exactly do you mean by problem with hair color? Hasn't his hair always been brown, Roxas's hair blond? That's how it was in KHI... wasn't it? Yes I have played KHII Xicera 15:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Image



 * Would anyone object to having this be the image in the infobox? Dr.Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 21:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Biggest piece of evidence regarding the sora/kairi relationship
Quote: "The biggest evidence, however, was in chain of memories, when Namine admits that she was never Sora's friend, and he sadly says: "we were never anything... more than that either."

Im just curious as to how this would be the 'biggest' evidence that we have regarding sora's relationship status with kairi. And probably the main reason why I ask this is most likely because I cannot clearly translate what Sora has stated to Namine regarding her. Could this piece of evidence suggest that:

A. Sora states that they were more than just friends.

B. Sora states that, although he is not a friend of Namine, he is more than a friend to Kairi?

C. All of the above, except A, B & C.

But all I ask is a clarification of what Sora means about kairi in this quote.--Pkthis 02:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The entire section is speculative and should probably be deleted or at the very least rewritten. --Hecko X 12:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there is a point to all of that in the article. Sora says, in a sad and confused sort of tone, that they were never anything more than friends (they were never friends to begin with, but you get my point) after going through the vast majority of the castle having his memory altered to think that he was trying to save his childhood friend. Since Namine had used her powers to put her memory in place of Kairi's, this would indicate that he had feelings toward Kairi as being more than just a friend. Considering that, it could be the biggest piece of evidence towards their relationship purely because of the fact that Sora openly admitted his feelings, if indirectly, towards the original girl whom he thought was his childhood friend, aka Kairi. Keyblader 01:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Time\Space Mage?
Aint sora being able to do gravity make him a time mage? If so than stop and Roxas could work together? It's just an unsumtion, but I gotta clearify. Here, there, everywhere User:Clarkmaster
 * Nope. You know, since Mages don't exist in the Kingdom Hearts universe.XienZo 03:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Yer right, I didn't thank of that, but if it was in the FFs wouldn't I be right?User:Clarkmaster
 * No. Since when are Time Mages in FF able to use black or white magic spells, which Sora also does? --Hecko X 04:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Good point, so I reckon he's some kind of omnimage huh, well you can't blame me for trying! User:Clarkmaster

Red Mage

Sora/Sion connection?
Character designs being similar doesn't mean much as far as the storyline goes, but is there any evidence in the game world that Sora is the child-form of Sion from The Bouncer?

The fact that Sora is connected to Xion is only evident in the fact that she is shown hanging out with Roxas. The whole thing is speculative, and as far as what I've heard, nothing's been confirmed yet. Keyblader 02:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, so to whoever thought I was refering to a character from Org. 13, yeah, no. Sion. The Bouncer. Squaresoft beat-em-up. Sora shares character design to a T with the main character, Sion.

Oh. Well, then, I wouldn't know. Disregard what I said earlier. Keyblader 19:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow. I found some pictures of the guy you were talking about, and you're right: that guy does look a lot like Sora. That's just freaky. Keyblader 01:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Voice
In my opinion, no. The english voice is included because this is an english wikia, the japanese is included because the Kingdom Hearts series is originally from Japan. If the german voice is added, then the french and spanish voices would want to be added and that will make it look sloppy. Sorry. xNaminéx

Future
Pesonly, i think the letter has somthing to do with coded. I think during the evenys of coded, he discovers something and sends the letter to Sora, Kairi and Riku telling them about what he found out (most likely a new threat).  Myself  123  10:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

what does that have to do with anything we know about coded.(no offense)

Besides, I don't really think the King would have told him about what happened in Castle Oblivion. Namine couldn't destroy the memories she had already put into his heart, just break the links so he couldn't remember anything. If the hearts are as unpredictable as Ansem the Wise made it out to be, then I don't think that it would make much sense in the storyline to bring those memories up without seriously screwing with Sora's heart and taking him out of commission. Honestly, where's the appeal in that? Keyblader 01:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Who knows? Square Enix has been known to cook up some crazy stuff. Come to think of it, that memory messup might be just the loophole Square would go for to reset all of Sora's abilities and Drive Forms. Either that's just coincidence, or these guys have really lengthy and strung-out plans. Keyblader 02:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

358/2 days
Can i see some proof? I really want to know if he's in or not.

Proof as in Images or video. --Zack fair 007 03:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEDZH1qy6oc

on that note we should do a limit break section on the other 358 playables(Sora=ragnorak) so that means we need the limits for Riku (seems to be dark aura) mickey (don't know) donald (don't know) and goofy (don't know)

here we go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bgQ7coU2Og

Hey, I beat 358/2 Days but I don't see any item called Return of the king or Soul of Sora in the Moogle Shop. So do you have to beat it on a certain difficulty? If so then could someone add it to the 358/2 Days section of the article? Thanks.

in order for mickey you need to unlock every mission.for sora you need to get every item, complete every objective and complete every mission absolutely perfectly (not exactly but thats the best way i can explain it)
 * sora's limit break is "ragnarok". Glorious  CHAOS!  03:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Necklace
Does anyone else think Sora's necklace might mean something? I mean it is part of the design of Kingdom Key, it was a used by Roxas to find the computer room in the old mansion, and whenever Sora unlocked a world it appeared on the ground. I'm just thinking that it might have some greater purpose. Givox 22:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Givox

Sora and Kairi
--YESS 16:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC) I think Sora and Kairi will hook up or something in the next game :) i hope they do...

They won't. Nomura stated once : "Honestly, I don't care who loves whom. I think you could imagine the scenarios that we don't mention however you want to. You could enjoy talking about that with your friends."

There will be implications, but nothing more, sorry to say. It's for the best, as not everyone will ever like a specific pairing (this goes for ANY ship, not just this one).

Well, who knows? He might change his mind with time. And honestly, what straight person who's played this game doesn't at least entertain the idea? Keyblader 19:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

y'know that's the first thing i saw when i played the game. i don't endorse it or support as a pairing it's just *there*. most of the other crap comes from perverted fangirls anyway.72.150.168.101 15:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Post that on any other site and you'd probably get your ass burned by those very fangirls. Regardless, I don't see where even they get these ideas. The whole game has Sora pointed towards Kairi so obviously, you could draw a map of it. Keyblader 01:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't paritcularly give a rats ass about pairings, but when was the above quote stated? because it sounds awfully similar to the response I heard he gave a completely different supposed question.

Picture
Azul said i could change the picture so I have ^^

What does that mean??
At the end of the kingdom hearts II summary or whatever for sora, it says that "Sora saw that Kairi drew the other half of a paopu fruit. He smiles, mimicking Kairi's actions a year ago." What does it mean by "mimicking Kairi's actions from a year ago. Does it mean the way he walked in the cave was the same as kairi a year ago??or did kairi do something?? (i think i just figured it out but im not sure....) User:Ninabean822
 * Watch the endings of both games, and it will make more sense. Xeno the Hedgehog 05:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

o..now i get it. thnx^^-ninabean

Sora's hair color
Sora's hair color changed when he turned 15, some people say it was because Roxas was born. Is tht true? User:Ninabean822

A separate Sora page
Does anyone think we should create a page for Virtual Sora? Because technically, he isn't really Sora, but just a replica made of data to solve a puzzle.

Just a suggestion. I know it will cause controversy, but still.

User:Charmed-Jay (2009-August-13)

That was precisely why I asked first. I knew what would befall that page if it were created.

User:Charmed-Jay, 2009-August-13

Sora heartless?
It's said in KH that someone with a strong will makes a stronger heartless and a nobody. Since Sora made a unique nobody, we must assume he has a strong will, which would also mean he should have Become a stronger heartless Than a shadow when he released his heart. Why didn't he? (on an unrelated note, where would the heartlesses for the rest of the organization be?) Torrent299 16:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You get a strong Heartless if your heart is very dark. Willpower only makes the Nobody. Sora's will was strong enough to make a Nobody, but he's not dark enough to make a powerful Heartless; he's barely dark enough to make a Shadow.
 * Also, apparently his will isn't that strong, since he was rapidly losing his memories and only regained those and human form because of Kairi.—Urutapu 18:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I AM CLUELESS AND JUST GETTING INTO THE SERIES!
I AM CLUELESS AND JUST GETTING INTO THE SERIES! Is 358/2 Days in between Chain of Memories and Kingdom Hearts 2? E.G. for those who don't understand Does it go... Because I am slightly confused cause I know in CoM he went to sleep for a year and he woke up in KH2 and he is sleeping during 358/2 days Please respond ASAP!
 * Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories
 * Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
 * Kingdom Hearts 2

~ Ciao ShadowJr  (Reply)  01:45, September 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * Days isn't between any two games. It starts near the end of Kingdom Hearts 1, around Day 20 Chain of memories starts, and then Day 359 is the beginning of KH2. 24.165.55.239 00:36, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Canonical Strength
Playing through 358/2 Days made me question this, and most of the amazing accomplishments we make through the games. In Olympus coliseum, during a recon mission, Sora is listed as winning the Pegasus cup, but Hercules is instead listed as winning the Hercules cup. This means that in canon, Sora's beating of Hercules didnt actually happen. It calls into question whether Sora beating other stronger 'optional' enemies actually happened in Canon, such as Sephiroth

Just a thought.

76.184.142.252 03:51, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * I was wondering about that, too. I don't think any of the optional boss fights at Olympus Coliseum are canon, to be honest. In KHII, Sora didn't recognize Sephiroth at all, did he? Anyway, I think that Sora's fight with Sephiroth in Radiant Garden in KHII is completely canon, though.

(Wow, I failed at that post. Too high and I didn't even sign it. XD)

SavageLarxene011 14:00, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

I Seek Answers...Can You Give Me Purpose?
Haha...that's a fun headline.

Anyway, I've got the KH storyline all laid out in my head. Everything makes sense, even the confusing bits about Xion and Roxas, except for one thing. Why did everyone forget about Sora?

DiZ says at one point that, to Sora's friends, it will be like remembering an old friend they haven't seen for a year...and Leon and Yuffie say that everyone just suddenly remembered Sora at exactly the same time. No one on Destiny Islands remembers him, either, but that's explained with the whole stopped-time thing in that article.

And what about Organization XIII and Riku? Organization XIII members don't have hearts, so that might have something to do with it...but Riku does. In KHII, he says the haze on his memories is being lifted...but when did it get there? Even at the end of 358/2 Days, just days before KHII, he seems to remember everything about Sora.

I seem to recall Namine saying something in 358/2 Days about it, but I can't remember exactly what. I need to play through that again, but if anyone can explain this to me, it would really ease my suffering. Because it's been bugging me for a while now.

SavageLarxene011 14:07, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

if you own the game and have beeten it you can acsess "theater mode" from the main menue, you can watch all of the cut scenes there, if you dont find what your looking for looking for youll have to get a script.--Foutlet 02:37, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Why sora can drive- prooved with mathmatics
I did some mental math recently about soras existance, espicaly his breaking into multiple forms. This therory is compleatly non-cannon, if i am posting it in the wrong place let me know immeadiatly so i can right this.

the therory is: between the events of soras seperations and his reunion, the number of extra Components (Short hand word for body heart and soul)is equal to the number of drive forms that enhance his powers.

the extra components are the source of power for his 5 drive forms, valor, wisdom, master, final, and anti. im not sure about the Xion gaining a heart portion, that part is heavily speculative. just an interesting thing that i noticed, it dosent belong in the article itself so i just put it here.--Foutlet 02:27, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * it starts with sora who as a regular boy had the 3 usual components (3)
 * after merging with kairis heart he had 4 components this is the state of his being durring his "sacrifice" to save kairi (3+1)
 * at this point 3 entitys are spawnd: soras heartless with the heart being its only component, Roxas who is the 2 remaining components, and namine who dose not effect this portion of the mathmatics 4/2-1= 1 and 2 the left of the equalside dosent look right but its a prety complicated event
 * at this point soras heartless is restored this adds 2 components out of no whear (1+2 and 2)
 * sora gets put to sleep and No i is created, and i assume that this would give her a heart (3 and 2 and 3)
 * Xion then gets absorbed by Roxas ( this works because memories flow between him and roxas in both directions as opposed to the parasitc nature of Xion) (3and 5)
 * finaly sora unites with roxas (3+5=8)

that looks a lot more messy than i thought it would, could an expert format it please? so that the distinction between the segments and the formulas are more distinct, thanks --Foutlet 02:31, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't think Sora could drive...he's only 15. He hasn't got his license yet.


 * Oh wait, my bad. ^_^ Just FYI, non-canon discussion is a bit more suitable for a forum topic in the Twilight Town Library, but wow!  That's a really interesting one...hmmm...  Bebop  Kate  02:43, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * PS: I reformatted your paragraph a little bit; I'm completely inexperienced with wiki math tools, but that should help the read. Bebop  Kate  02:45, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

thank you the math is only addition, so it works perfectly should i make a fourm page for this or should i just leave it here?--Foutlet 02:49, November 20, 2009 (UTC)