KHWiki talk:Staff

New page
I found out the name of the place where you fight Final xemnas :D please let me add a new page--Splatt Matt 12:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Org. XIII
I just realized, we have enough people to be Org.XIII. I'll work on a design. (Edit): Here it is.-Azul (talk ・contribs) 06:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Pretty! And flashy 8D. But there is only one girl in Org. XIII and there is more than one girl in the staff... unless someone wants Xion... but who knows what he/she counts as XD. --Yer mom 15:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Or, all the unactive staff members keep their hoods up, so people know who is active. Ult ima 16:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

List of staff
Can someone please list all the staff members of KHW and their respective positions ? I see quite a lot of users with the Paopu badge/the Staff member black Keyblade template and a number of them haven't been listed in the Staff page.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 01:38, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Paopu badge was made for users who were nominated for mod/adminship, it doesn't mean they are admins or mods except for the ones who actually got the spot which are Kryten (admin), DTN and HoO (mods). I think all the staff is listed here, if there's someone with they key template and is not listed here then they are probably misusing it. -- 01:47, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. So I guess the current list is correct.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 02:53, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Inactive Moderator
Troisnyxetienne is on Wiki-break for at least three weeks. Since this could be considered a long period of time, I think we should probably put her down as inactive until we know that she'll be fully active again. -- Door To  Nothing Kupo! 00:46, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I was on her page and talk page over at the Kingdom Hearts Francophone Wiki to ask her something and her page said that the Francophone will be her permanent base from now on. - HeartOfOblivion 04:52, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Pardon, gentlemen, but you're suggesting that contact towards the specified is pointless here? Or did she perhaps leave some other form of contact? - EternalNothingnessXIII 04:54, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, first she said that she would be gone to help with some huge mess at the Francophone and two days for a summit. She then changed it to taking a hiatus for three weeks and that it might be an indefinite period. And as I said, she said on her userpage over at the Francophone that the Francophone will now be her homebase.


 * This could mean that she will be gone longer then three weeks. DTN suggested moving her name to inactive because we don't know when she will come back and so no one like an anon or new user tries to contact her for help and get no response. We could put a note saying if you urgently need to talk to her, contact her over at the Francophone. - HeartOfOblivion 05:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Right... but when she says break, I think she means it. I don't think she really would want to be bothered. - EternalNothingnessXIII 05:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Ultima Active?
I read a conversation between Ultima and NinjaSheik implying that he was active again. The conversation is on his talk page. Shouldn't he be moved back into "Active" in the Admin section? -- 21:06, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think so.-- Ninja Sheik  21:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts Birth by sleep
Im wondering why on the front page it said not to add any Birth by sleep siolors. 24.184.224.100 03:11, January 10, 2010 (UTC) KingdomHearts530

I have information
I have information regarding Vanitas and master Xehanort. Why can't i edit. It's real and plausible information from the game plot.--XessEmperor 16:00, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because there's a spoiler policy enforced. You can add them in the talk page though, because talk pages are exempt from that. At least that's what I see from Vanitas' talk page. Ironic.  BLUER   一番   12:11, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

can you put a weekly poll on the home page
Keyhole15 00:45, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea, but perhaps a forum thread to discuss this more?  BLUER   一番   02:41, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. It sound like a great idea :D (Whoops, I guess I'm not an admin)  -- 02:54, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hein ?

 * On that topic, TNE, since we only have two mods, what Heartless/Unversed would you prefer? We can switch to a different them for those guys if you want. Maybe Fortuneteller and Luna Bandit? Or Symphony Master/Iron Prisoner/Mimic Master/Trinity Armor. Glorious  CHAOS!  12:44, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, if it's an Unversed... Symphony Master FTW ! ^_^ But I think, to be fair, we'd have both of us take a similar type of Heartless/Unversed. If I'm a Blue sea-salt, then Urutapu would go along these lines, for example.


 * I leave it at your discretion ^_^ 12:52, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT 12:55, April 11, 2010 (UTC) : Should I come up with something for the Admins table ? I could link each image to the user profile, but I'll have to upload each icon to PB... I dare not use the Wiki servers for this.

EDIT 02:11, April 12, 2010 (UTC) : Yes, and for the last time, NELOANGELO IS A GIRL ! XDDDDDDDDD 02:11, April 12, 2010 (UTC)  P.S. : I really ROFL-ed at that one.

Trial (pardon me for the fact that I'm not using the Sandbox)
Alright, so right now, we need to gather characters from the iSeries, since that's the best way to go about the admin site for now. We don't have enough BBS icons... And using the talk sprites is going to bring back an age-old strategy which I had initially planned for the Staff page.
 * I kind of like the Organization thing, since we now have exactly 14 admins, but if we have to change, why not use the Mobile sprites that most of us already use? Glorious  CHAOS!  13:18, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Aaaaa, good idea. I'll get to it right away. ^_^ I think there's one for everyone. You're using Firion, aren't you ? 13:27, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT 13:34, April 11, 2010 (UTC) : Who do I use for the rest ?

EDIT 13:37, April 11, 2010 (UTC) : OXIII wouldn't work unless... we switch NeloAngelo to Xion, since NA's a female. So I'll copy/paste the entire thing back here, with links.
 * For Mobile, I'm using Trickmaster.
 * NA's a girl?! That...that actually explains a lot. Wow. Glorious  CHAOS!  13:50, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Bluer was the one who told me over on the IRC, shhhhh ! :P So all the pics on the Staff page are linked to the respective user pages, rather than the file pages. So that way I don't think anyone can tamper with them. 13:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

where on the IRC channel do i chat
--Keyhole15 20:51, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Retired
So, I'm pretty sure we decided to do this once BBS was released in English. I just want to lay some groundwork here.

We currently have four fully retired admins (Bluerfn is still a beuracrat, and Hexed still shows up on IRC).

When we do the next set of promotions:
 * 1) Do we want to have discussion on replacement admins, or just move up the current mods and elect replacements for them?
 * 2) Do we want to request bureaucracy for some of the current admins, so that in the future we don't have to wait on Bluerfn? I think BK and GS would be the best fit for that, if they want it. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:33, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we should see how we are doing when the time comes; based on what little vandalism we already get, I do not think that creating more administrators would be necessary. Let's just wait until the time comes for this one, methinks. However, I don't support the movement of a regular user up to an administrator without first becoming a moderator, since moderators are part of a "path-like" hierarchy toward adminship.
 * Secondly, that sounds great, as long as the receiving administrators are active and available at the time. -- 23:52, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Addition
How do you show your avatar and get colors when you post??-Later Kupos

Remember, this talkpage is for discussions about the staff page. Let's continue this conversation on your talkpage.-- Xion 4  ever  19:40, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the help section, etc., tells people with questions to "ask the staff", and points them to this page. If we don't want them here, that needs to be redirected. However, since the staff page is (or should be) locked to sysops only, I don't see why we couldn't use this talk page for general purposes. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:37, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I say we build a page that has a contact list for staffers. It could link to talk pages and stuff. Like, Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Staff/Contacts or somethin. 00:21, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * So this is a bad idea? -- 21:02, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Just Asking...
Hi I wanted to know that i've been editing some "stub" articles and i want to ask if i could make my own theory on the Soul Article i just wanted to know if i could and ask u guys and get your permission... Write back to me ASAP please... Thanks. 7th heaven 18:03, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

No theories. Period. And stop adding questions to the articles.--ΧƳƵach. 18:07, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry :' ( You don't have to be so mean... i'm sorry i even asked.7th heaven 18:25, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I was going to undo everything i typed but it was all gone. I'm sorry that i add questions on some articles, but the questions are worth thinking about. 7th heaven 18:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

There's a problem with the IRC
There have been no OPs on. Kryten was a temp OP,but he spammed. DemonicSaint,Cherries, and maggosh cursed even when he was a temp op. AT this moment he is one. Just now Azul deoped him. Can you do something about this? -- 01:31, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not spam, and I did not curse. I talked to maggosh, and he doesn't know what you're talking about either. Glorious  CHAOS!  02:27, June 25, 2010 (UTC)\

Dang it! I would've loved to have been there. I'm not sure if Glorious Chaos does that kind of stuff, but admins have there moments.

Wait, was it maggosh? I need to remember. Sorry Kryten, you only need something like "ass" once. -- 14:21, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * ass does not mention it being an obscenity. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:39, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * "The Supreme Court has found that, when used in the context of the First Amendment, the word "obscenity" is usually limited to content that directly refers to explicit sexual acts that are publicly accessible." Glorious  CHAOS!  16:40, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think SDC's point is... we need more or better active ops. -- 22:58, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think 2 more would be good. Personally, I don't like the voting process. I want the admins--scratch that.
 * All admins here are already ops. So... they would have to be non-sysop. -- 23:14, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yea we need more RESPONSIBLE OPS THAT WON'T ABUSE THEIR POWERS  (I'm not saying any ops currently abuses their powers) — Demonic Kunai undefined 23:32, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Well, not saying that some op's DON'T abuse their powers, but I do think we need more ops, with Saph's absence and all. -- 23:36, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * A system of dealing with inappropriate chat is already in development. I do apologize for my recent deparetures from the IRC, I have had a few vacations and trips that I have been on. Appointing new channel operators does not solve the problem at hand. You have many active and responsible operators. What I think that you are all forgeting is that all channel operators are prone to having to leave for periods of time due to their lives outside of the wiki. You all know that has been happening to me lately, it has happened to other channel operators, and it will happen to any new channel operators we would decide to induct. For this reason, there will always be times when no channel operators are online. I think that appointing new channel operators is a hasty and overpowerful decision to make. The new function Adola is working on for NumberXVMoogle will be very helpful in dealing with profane chatters. For those who see a problem with KrytenKoro's style of monitoring the channel, he is new to the IRC, our channel's policy, and the OP abilities. I can very strongly suggest that we just let time go by, as these were all just certain situations caused by factors that are very unlikely to repeat themselves once these new measures are taken to monitor the language and outputs posted on the channel. However, most importantly, remember this: channel operators are not your babysitters. We are not there just to monitor your language and clean up the mess made by offensive or profane chat. When you log onto the IRC, you need to be responsible, and not just think that the channel operators are the only ones who are responsible for the problems with language and offensive outputs. From what I can see here, all that is being done is blaming the channel operators and working off of that. You, as an IRC user, are just as responsible for your own language and chat you use on the IRC, and you need to be a part of the solution even more than the OPs do. Therefore, there is more than just adding more users who can Kick those who are "bad." The community needs to straighten up and get serious as well. If this cannot be done, serious measures may have to be taken, such increasing the strcitness of our rules and policy or removing the channel completely. I'm sorry, but the problems on the IRC are getting ridiculous, and are having to be dealt with on the wiki. This was never intended to happen, and should never have to have been brought to the wiki. -- 00:31, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

You make an excellent point, DTN. I almost completely agree. I think the idea of inducting new ops came forth because, last time there were no ops around, three random users were oped. I believe the idea is to ensure that there is always an op online so that we don't have to op three random users who have NO op experience. This isn't entirely about the matter of assuming good faith. To me, this strikes as if there are ever any "incidents", and there are no ops to handle it, we'll need at least one trustworthy user online, I guess :P -- 00:48, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, DTN, but this week, four of the "most active" operators (DTN, SSC, Sapharus and Xion4ever) were absent. I totally respect the reasons for why they were not present, but for 3 or 4 nights in a row, people have been spamming and potty-mouthing. These people don't choose to listen to non-operative IRC users, so when these instances happened, there was no-one around to stop them. I know adding new OPs won't solve this problem in the long term, but I don't think that adding a potty-mouth-detection function to the bot will solve it either. Perhaps if something like this happens again (i.e. nearly all of the most active operators have to leave for a period of time) maybe temporary OPs wouldn't be such a bad idea to consider? Lego, I've had op experience before...   08:13, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the random but-in, but is spamming adding too many links to youtube videos or abusing the NumberXVMoogle? 10:03, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think so. {{AurorSig}

I agree with you DTN,but it's just like what the others said. Maybe 1 OP should try coming to the IRC long enough to select about 2 or 3 Temp Ops. It was kind of going well with the Temp OPS until Blue(I think it was) unoped them and the people with no experience always OP people that happen to curse alot. 13:46, June 26, 2010 (UTC)-- 13:46, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Adola's system of monitoring profane chat through NumberXVMoogle is now functioning. In that case, Dan, the issue is not the operators, but the temporary channel operators who did not follow the ban policy in dealing with offences. I can tell you that, of those four channel operators, I am back, two others were on vacation (one of which is back), and the other is going to absent for an unknown period of time. We're around, but remember that you have more than just four channel operators.


 * Furthermore, I am not against using temporary channel operators, sinc eI have granted users temporary channel operator status before. My only concernw tih it is that when you become a temporary channel operator, you follow the same rules taht a regular channel operator does, and that the functions are given to an online user(s) that is monitoring the channel. In addition, the temporary channel operator(s) should be de-OPed immediately when a function-granted channel operator logs in. -- 16:30, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I realise that we have more than 4 active operators, but I was just giving an example of the "most" active ops. Also, I'd like to add that I've had to remind several users about Rule 1 - "Play nice with others" several times over the past few days. 16:41, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my abscene on both the wiki and IRC (most of you know why). However, I will admit that we've had a similar problem before when I first joined the wiki/IRC. We fixed that problem with another channel operator election. I'm not sure if this is necessary, but it is a thought. I don't believe our problem is a lack of operators, but a result of conflicting real life and wiki life problems. This is a reminder to all (including the spammers/rule breakers, should you be reading this): we [channel operators] usually find out who's causing problems rather quickly. Don't think the rule breaking will go unnoticed, we will find out eventually. To those users present when such spamming/bashing was happening: Yuan and Gamer can be found on the FF Wiki's IRC channel along with a few other channels. Just because they aren't on #wikia-kingdomhearts doesn't mean they aren't online somewhere else. You could always ping ( /query ) them or look on other channels. Also, we could have users from Central Wikia's IRC channel (#wikia) become operators on our channel, if Yuan or Azul give them the proper flags. Maybe this is a better solution? Similar to the few times central wikia users had to ban a few vandals on the wiki when our admins weren't active at certain times. That is just a thought..

I'm sorry for my sudden inactivity. Hopefully, that will soon change... -Xion4ever

Xehanort Report!!!!
Ummmm....

Where to get Xehanort report #12?! I need it, since I'm playing Proud mode in KH BBS, to get to the Final Episode? PRETTY PLEASE, and THANK YOU very much, this wiki rocks! :D

New layout, please DNT !
... what? -- 05:59, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * We had discussed this already. By "we" I mean half of us at least. 06:02, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Azul said he wanted to be retired, though. Glorious  CHAOS!  22:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

As of last night, he has returned. - Eternal  Nothingness  XIII  22:49, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * TNE: Was this decision on the IRC? If consensus is being made on the IRC, it needs to be present on the wiki as well, for all parties to take part in. If that was done, the issue with our conflicting reorganizations could have been avoided, and I would have gotten another hour of sleep instead of reorganizing the page only to find it completely different the next day.
 * On the subject of Azul81677, he told me last night on an IRC Channel that Bluerfn asked him to be an administrator again, and he agreed to take his position back. -- 02:21, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it indeed was. On your req, I'll have it documented, later tonight after dinner/prayers. 11:07, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT 02:21, August 26, 2010 (UTC) : Okay. This is what happened. I signed in. BK and Bluer and Neumannz and Maggosh and Azul and ENX were there. That made six of us. And it was on the main KHIRC channel that we discussed the layout together. It's from those discussions that I'm applying whatever I remember here.

And whilst I'm at it, the final leg of the remodel begins... now.

Any staff on duty
The images here need to be moved to their new names, and have the links corrected across the wiki. Glorious  CHAOS!  13:09, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Understood, I'll get to work. maggosh 13:16, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
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Glorious  CHAOS!  13:19, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * The deed is done, sir. maggosh 14:14, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Glorious  CHAOS!  14:27, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Kryten's icon
Will handle it once I'm in Hertfordshire. 15:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Restructuring
Confirmed Declining
 * Kryten (Axel)
 * DTN (Ventus)
 * Neumannz (Roxas ?)
 * Ultima (Sora)
 * Maggosh (Vanitas)
 * Xion4ever (Xion ?)
 * ENX (Terra)
 * Myself (Aqua)
 * Azul
 * Hexed ?

Has anyone else said yes, has anyone declined or do we have to do staff elections soon ? Tambours Tonnerre Ensemble !  06:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
 * I never said no. maggosh 18:11, 11 February 2011 (EST)

Well, it has to be a yes then. ^_^ 147.197.190.70 18:13, 11 February 2011 (EST)
 * Okay, Azul and Hexed said that if they ever decide to edit again, they would like to be re-opped, but for our purposes their seats are open.
 * We still need word back from bluerfn or bebop - if neither of them want to edit here, we do immediate staff elections, otherwise we wait until the 18th.
 * Otherwise...anybody who doesn't show up for this, we don't both with staff notices again. 18:43, 11 February 2011 (EST)

I'd like to bring about something from the forums back on the KH-Wiki. There was a discussion about premoting users to mods, right? I was wondering if that was still standing.-- Ninja Sheik  18:47, 11 February 2011 (EST)
 * Yeah — shouldn't it be on ? We were short on mods the whole time... 147.197.190.70 20:17, 11 February 2011 (EST)

EnglishJoker the Moderator
I was a Moderator on the old KH Wiki but I'm not on the list on this new Wiki. Could someone please add me if I still hold that position? EnglishJoker 19:01, 24 April 2011 (EDT)

DeviantART
What's the point in this? I don't see how it benefits the wiki, as one of goals isn't to set up an artistic guild or community. That's totally unrelated to the goal of creating a complete encyclopedia of our topic in the greatest breadth and depth as possible. Our goal isn't to become the "KHWiki Empire" across the Internet, setting up accounts wherever we can. We use only what we need directly for the promotion of the site--not the creation of a group of fanartists. We don't even approve of fanart, for crying out loud. Nonetheless, the notion was appreciated, but certainly should have been discussed first among the community. I, though, find it rather useless to our goals. -- 00:04, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
 * Its just some harmless fun with art, like an off-wiki Mirage Arena. Not everything has to benefit us to exist. -- 08:10, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
 * We don't approve of fanart on the wiki. When you think about it, this is going to help keep fanart off the wiki. Users who want to share their fanart with other wiki users can now do so without using the wiki itself. Also, drawing competitions like the good ol' Namine's Drawoff could now be held there, not on the wiki, and heck, if you really want, we could feature each month's featured images there in order to promote ourselves. 09:07, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
 * SilverCrono: If we are going to use our wiki's definite name as an account name, then yes, it does need to benefit us somehow. There's no purpose in us making a bunch of accounts on social networking sites, for example, to simply post jokes and quotes rather than try to spread the word of our wiki. While simply having an account does in an odd, twisted sense spread the "word" of the wiki, you have to take into account what audience is being targeted. On Facebook and Twitter, for example, the communities are huge and diverse, meaning that we can attract people who are willing to edit and work hard to improve the wiki. A fanart site, on the other hand, only promotes us to fanartists, which are useless to the growth of an encyclopedia.
 * Dan36: No, it really won't. Fanart isn't allowed on this wiki's database at all, so it makes no difference whether or not it's linked to from the user's Photobucket or Imageshack rather than their DeviantART account. It doesn't provide any new service with fanart: we already have TWO, if not THREE accounts for this wiki on Photobucket that we use to share images, and that has been working perfectly for us. Simply put, there is no reason or problem that would justify or prompt changing our external image host. Competitions like Naminé's Drawoff are meant to be hosted on the wiki since we have more control with full-coded editing on a page, rather than being without a central hosting location or project page. Competitions should be hosted on the wiki because they are for the wiki, produced by the wiki, promote the wiki, and celebrate the wiki.
 * My opinion remains unshaken; I find no purpose in having a deviantART account for this wiki, one that especially does not benefit the wiki. -- 20:38, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
 * I have to admit, DTN has a point. Having an account on a database that promotes fandom really doesn't help this wiki; it actually promotes fandom on this wiki.


 * (Also, why are we talking about DeviantART on the Staff page?) -- 20:49, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
 * This was the first place I saw it, since it's featured in a section on the page. -- 20:58, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

I really see no point in having an off wiki Facebook, MySpace, or Twitter accounht, in all honesty. How many new users have we gained from those? Close to none. Heck, our regular editors barely even found it (I had manually invite Kryten and Bluer). The people that follow us on Twitter are either editors or Kingdom Hearts related websites, not new people seeing a Twitter page called #KHWiki and going "Hey, look, a wiki, I'll go become a full fledged editor there!". 21:49, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
 * If we are planning on having regular fanart contests, a deviantart would certainly make sense. However, it doesn't make a whole ton of sense otherwise. I suppose it would be useful for community socialization, but we do already have a photobucket and all that.
 * This should probably be opened up for a forum. 22:51, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
 * If used properly, I believe the Twitter (and maybe even facebook, for that matter) account could be beneficial. It could be used as sort of an offsite Trinity Archives for users who can't get online all the time (such as myself, as of recent events). I believe this solution was the general consensus for the fate of the Twitter account during the last Roundtable. This should absolutely be discussed during June's Roundtable -- I have already taken the liberty of adding it to the topic list. As for me, I completely agree with DTN here -- though I'm not opposed to using it as a host for future fanart contests, the deviantART account really doesn't do much for us; we shouldn't spread out the community just for the sake of spreading out the community. We aren't an empire.
 * Stuff like this needs to be discussed before it is done... ...TNE, are you listening here? -- 03:14, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

Rearranging
I believe that we should alter the layout of the page to differentiate between "retired" and "inactive". For instance, users such as Xion, Crono, and maggosh, who are all self- admitedly inactive, but still contribute when they can, should be listed in the section "inactive", while users like Hexed, Bluer, and Kryten (who should still be listed here, as retired) would be listed under "retired", as they no longer edit, or choose to no longer use their staff powers. 20:00, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Kryten is not retired, Kryten is demoted. Kryten could not use his old op powers even if he wanted to. Kryten should be removed from the page entirely, and Kryten also recommends an election to get the wiki at least back to two bureaucrats. 22:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Not only should we move someone up to bcrat, we should move 1 or 2 people up to admin, as quite a few admins have gone inactive recently. 01:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Even if Kryten is "demoted", Kryten should still be listed on this page, as Kryten was staff, even if Kryten was demoted on Kryten's own admission. My recommendation about the "retired" staff is exactly that; users who don't retain their powers, but once had them (which is why I think we should bring over the names of users like Scottch and Riku, our founder).   03:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)