Talk:Vanitas Remnant

Name

 * Wouldn't this being's name be more accurately translated to Vanitas's Sentiment (that is, the Sentiment of Vanitas), since the Japanese name is "Vanitasu no Shinen"?-- Lapis of the Night  00:04, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I think the name is okay. --Cococrash11 00:06, January 14, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

It isn't a question of opinion, "Vanitas's Sentiment" is a more accurate translation, at least I think so.-- Lapis of the Night  00:25, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

You don't even know the correct name of this character so I might as put it like that. --Cococrash11 00:34, January 14, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

By "At least I think so" I meant that I didn't know if it was officially named "Vanitas Sentiment". "Vanitasu no Shinen" literally means "The Sentiment of Vanitas", thus, Vanitas's Sentiment.-- Lapis of the Night  00:37, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

To make it gramatically correct it should be Vanitas' Sentiment.Correct, right? 76.25.128.172 23:59, January 17, 2010 (UTC) Anonymous


 * I would normally agree with you, but it's wiki policy to use "Vanitas's" and the like. Both forms are gramatically correct, but it was decided to use "s's" here.-- Lapis of the Night  00:10, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Aqua?
Really? Could you link me a video because so far I have only seen aqua battling it.Xsonicdragon 00:41, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Reward
you get his keyblade the void gear

Strategy...?
Nomura said that a specific deck command or set of deck commands is needed.71.54.128.73 22:31, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

everyone can phsically hurt it but it gets the most damage from ventus' tornado takes off almost half his health

Defeated
There's finally a winning video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6NC0ejfjoE

After you have defeated him ones can you do it again? I hope that he can be defeated more than just ones..P456 18:36, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Misspelling?
Shouldn't it be just Vanitas' Sentiment? In normal english, as long as it has the posessive sound at the end we don't need the 's at the end. Just the ' for it. Are the rules different in Japanese? Hyperwre_2.0 22:52, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ehhh whatever. I don't really care, just thought I'd mention it. Hyperwre_2.0 22:53, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look at the top of the page, I already answered that.-- Lapis of the Night  22:57, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * You only remove the possessive s if the word's s is plural. So, "Jesus's", but "Cats'". Glorious  CHAOS!  22:58, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

No, it needn't be plural. It can be singular, too.

Lars' shirt...

Felix' shirt...

etc. Zyrax 15:13, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Both ways are correct, but the "S's" spelling is the standard on the wiki for consitency's sake.20:56, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

terra confirmed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DtDEJ4-wcE

peace

Reason for existence
It appears that 'sentiments' are sentient lifeforms created by the intense emotions of a person who has lost their bodies, emotions finding residence in anything that could serve as a shell to hold their form together. Their power is completely fueled by their emotions, so naturally, they're pretty powerful, as seen in BBS when the Lingering Sentiment's power is enough to create a giant barrier to prevent Terra-Xehanort from escaping, amongst other powers. While primarily fueled by hate, he still has compassion, as he still thinks about Ven and Aqua. Vanitas's Sentiment on the other hand, was formed from a creature of pure evil. Because of Vanitas' nature, he was able to linger on in a ghastly form as a sentiment and it also explains why he is stronger as he has no positive emotions to offset his negative ones. Kaihedgie 15:29, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Voice Actor
Does it really says that Miyu Irino is his voice actor? I mean the game credit didn't even says its him. --Cococrash11 05:27, March 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 * Tsk tsk tsk. *shakes head in utmost disbelief* Vanitas and Vanitas' Sentiment share the same voice actor. I mean, come on. The sentiment of a person has to have the original person's voice, and thus Vanitas' Sentiment is credited as Vanitas. It's that obvious.


 * So if they were to use Haley Joel Osment or even Donald Reignoux as Vanitas, then they'd use the same person for the sentiment too. After all, many of them are the same battle quotes. It's just like the Lingering Sentiment and Terra in BBS : the same voice was used, but Terra is cited directly.


 * Here too, I'd like to answer ENX's question on the Lingering Sentiment page : I know that the voice actor of Terra is responsible for the Lingering Sentiment's quotes, and that the LS is never cited in the credits as having a voice. But we should put the person responsible for his voice - at least we'll know it's voiced, instead of just being plain voiceless.


 * It's quite a good thing you both raised this up, because I can finally solve the whole problem with one locus standi. 08:16, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Obvious doesn't cut it. You guys are the one who said that you need proof and no speculation. There aren't any proof that its his voice actor. --Cococrash11 23:06, March 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 * A sentiment is a representation of a character, and for a sentiment to have a voice, no matter how enigmatic, the voice of the original character must be used. Vanitas' Sentiment, as you know, is directly linked to Vanitas. And so is the Lingering Sentiment directly linked to Terra at the end of his own story. Thus, Miyu Irino = Vanitas's Sentiment ; whoever's voicing Terra = the Lingering Sentiment. The only reason why it was not credited was because they make reference to the very first characters ; or it could also be due to the fact that they both have the same battle quotes as their original characters.


 * So I'm not going to play rough and literally lay down the rules, but think upon the direct link. After all, it can't be anyone else. Vanitas' Sentiment can't be Akio Ohtsuka, of all people. That's pretty much common sense.


 * And on a side note, sentiments and real selves have always used similar voices. Take a cue from II Final Mix+ - the Absent Silhouettes share the same voices with their Chain of Memories counterparts. Auditory/visual proof, as per the videos, is proof enough. Note : Never in the Japanese/English versions has someone with a similar-sounding voice ever been substituted, except for cases where, perhaps, the original voice actor is engaged or cannot be found. 23:16, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, we require literal, 100% confirmation here don't we? Take for example when we first heard Vanitas himself talk, and a whole bunch of people wanted to place the actor it sounded like, but we kept that from happening because it wasn't confirmed. Surely the credits page of the game says who voiced him?-- Lapis of the Night  01:43, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ultimania
The Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Ultimania does not classify Vanitas's Sentiment as an Unversed. Instead, it is classified as a non-Unversed enemy, like Zack and Master Xehanort. However, the Unversed ensignia on the sentiment's helm is misleading, and is leading me to think that the logo may not signify the sentiment being an Unversed, but instead his connection to the Unversed. Vanitas's Sentiment's status as an Unversed or non-Unversed needs to be decided on, so that this article may be removed from the "Unversed" category if necessary. -- 06:40, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Y'know, I'm pretty the Ultimania isn't correct about everything. There's too much going against sayin' VS isn't an Unversed. He wears the symbol and is literally Vanitas's remnants in a physical form. A manifestation of his being. By all rights, he would be considered an Unversed. No doubt about it. He's a lot like the Lingering Sentiment in regards of how he operates. Being a creature of darkness whose strength seems to run on emotions, but not offset by positive ones, only negative ones. I'm not seeing he how he isn't an Unversed.Kaihedgie 06:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hold on, I really have to protest this. There are a ton of characters who can arguably be called Unversed--Ventus, Lingering Will, Sephiroth, etc. The decision in each and every case has been to not call something an Unversed unless it is specified as one by name in official materials. And I'm just fine with that. Not because I agree with the classifications, but because the logic is consistent. But if we're now saying that, in THIS case, we don't need to appease that level of evidence, that's just a double standard.Neo Bahamut 08:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This should not be considered an Unversed if the Ultimania says it isn't. However, does the Ultimania say that the Magic Mirror IS an Unversed, as the game explicitly does? 22:16, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Keyblade
Check KH13 and you will see when you beat him you don't just get the Hidden Ore, in the North American version you get the Hidden Ore AND Vanitas's Keyblade!--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 19:26, July 8, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Encounter
So... exactly how do Terra and Ven get to fight him? What circumstances need to be met? I know Aqua just has to clear the Last Episode, but I don't see that mentioned in the article either. Seems like something worth noting.07:33, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I know the only condition to fight Vanitas's Sentiment is to clear the game with the corresponding character. After that it's possible to select another landing place at Keyblade Graveyard from the world map. --ShardofTruth 08:32, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Terra and Ven are playable in the last story after Aqua defeats Terranort (their appearance in the last story is non-canon and is merely for gameplay.) Also the sentiment only appears if you've beaten Xehanort and gotten all the Xehanort Reports.

Terra Video
The video of Terra fighting him is an english mod that needs to be removed, i would have done it but i don't know how to add videos and i don't want to leave the page without a Terra video.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 20:53, July 16, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Can Vanitas's Sentiment be Stop by Stop?
Can you use the stop magic on Vanitas's Sentiment at all.--Edgeshadow

I'm pretty sure he is immune to it because most bosses cannot be 'stopped' and he's a super/secret boss, so surely he would have the same case.

Remnant
Well, in the battle the info bar calls it Vanitas's Lingering Spirit, as does the stratagy Guide. --Evnyofdeath 19:49, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * The info bar may say the "lingering spirit", but it doesn't say "Defeat Vanitas's Lingering Spirit" it says "Defeat Vanitas's lingering spirit". There's a difference, the first one is in the form of a name, and the second one (which is what it says in the game) refers to something of Vanitas's. In the report it says "Vanitas Remnant", which is what the name of the article should be changed to. --BreaktheIce16 (talk) 9:29, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Ecounter
You beat the game, save, and go back to the normal save file. Simple.-- Random! to a point!  21:18, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

It is. I beat Vanitas's Remnant the other day with Ventus. Void Gear pwns. --Evnyofdeath 16:34, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Moving to Vanitas's Remnant
Sounds like a good idea to me, glad the mods actually WANT to move pages again.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 16:31, September 13, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

I'll have to face the facts the page have to be moved again, this is so annoying--Xabryn 17:27, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

After beating it and reading the journel myself, I say I'm for the move. After all, Vanitas's Remnant is not only easier to type/say but it sounds cooler. --Evnyofdeath 17:30, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

VANITAS Remnant
Can I just point out that in the report it's name is just "Vanitas Remnant" not "Vanitas's Remnant"... --BreaktheIce16 (talk) 14:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Well at least after it's changed this time, it won't need to be changed again. --BreaktheIce16 (talk) 10:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Where ?
I can't find him. I completed the game with Terra but I can't find in the Graveyard.-- 17:30, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

After you beat the Final Episode, load any save file you can go to the Keyblade Graveyard in (not sure if you can go there in the FE) and to to the Keyblade Graveyard. There will be a new landing point called Badlands.--Evnyofdeath 19:02, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Could be as I cleared the final episode and went on with terra after that. -- 05:17, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I read something about having to get all the Xehanort Reports as well.05:22, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I see, I just finished the game again and went on Ven but it doesn't says the badlands so you do need the reports. -- 05:54, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I've beaten all three stories, and I have all the reports. But if you need all the reports, then does that mean you have to load a "completion data" file? OK, I guess it does, since it I have the "Badlands" option on completion file. Key of Destiny 22:17, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sentiment, Lingering Sprite or remnant?
I Japanese I know he was called Vanitas Sentiment.

But why is it that in the English strategy guide it says Vanitas Lingering Sprite, while in game it says Vanitas Remnant...

Seriously, what is it? - JTD95 17:42, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Unversed

 * It's an emanation of Vanitas's negativity given form. It even has the Unversed emblem on it. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:29, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

What is the journal entry filed under? -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  14:50, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Then I'm not so sure we should be so hasty calling it an Unversed, considering a)its journal category, and b)its similarities to ASs and the LS. What does the "Unversed" option have going for it, besides the emblem? (I consider the "powerful thoughts and feelings" to be closer to LS-like in nature.) -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  18:03, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

He is made from Vanitas's negativity just like an Unversed, and thinking well the LS is very similar to an unversed but unlike unverseds he have a "real" body (Even though it is just an empty armor) and is made from Terra's negativity--Xabryn 18:08, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Probably, but VR is different it is a part of Vanitas but that only was created after his dead but it is yet a part of him the other unversed exist with Vanitas and thinking well if some of the Unversed survived maybe they created VR though this is just speculation think about it VR is "A physical manifestation of what remained of Vanitas's powerful thoughts and feelings." but even though this is just speculation of my part VR is still what remained of Vanitas's thought and feeling just like an unversed--Xabryn 18:35, September 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, the Trinity Report does not list it as an Unversed, but we do have Organization XIII and Ansem SoD as precedents. I'd say that, given its similar nature and the emblem, we can safely consider it an Unversed until told differently by Nomura. Then again, I haven't fought the damn thing yet, so I'm going off of what I've read. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:14, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Other point I forgot to mention, the Ultimania doesn't file VR as an Unversed.  -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  04:52, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Canon?
And Aqua is in the Dark Margin, and since all three can fight him, the impossible happinings would mean he is non-canon.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 01:45, September 25, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

i beat the game on terra and ven but i cant go to the badlands, do i have to beat it with aqua too? what am i missing?