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"Somebody" is a HUGE Mistake!
Normally, I would've pasted this here: http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Category_talk:Somebody  Buuut...nobody really pays attention to that talk page anymore.

It's been argued left and right about the validity of using "Somebody" as a canonical reference for complete beings. I'll just get right to my own personal bias: It sounds bloody retarded. But I'm not here to flaunt my own personal experience, I'm here to question it's validity, and provide some nice evidence against it - both solid, and contextual.

The first bout of evidence I will provide is contextual, since it makes for a more intellectual argument. Here are exact quotes from the games:

1-Roxas: "If I had a heart...would that make me somebody?" (358/2 Days) 2-Roxas: "If I had a heart, you think I could love somebody?" (358/2 Days) 3-Larxene: "Rewrite Sora's heart, and you can be somebody, not just the shadow of somebody." (CoM) 4-Larxene: "Then you can actually be somebody---and no longer just Kairi's shadow." (Re:Com)

I looked through all the transcripts of the game dialogue, and these are all the ones I found relevant to the context of which "Somebody" is referred. I might've missed one or two, but I doubt very much they're all that different. So, in the contextual argument, why is "Somebody" an incorrect reference? It all lies in the English language, and sentence structure, actually. In context of individual sentences, "somebody" is almost always referred to in the same sense as "living a life" is ("I wanna make lotsa munny! I WANNA BE SOMEBODY!"). In that same sense, we don't refer to people as the "Alive" or "Living", just because they're in their own way living a fulfilling life. Sure, they're exactly that, "living", but we do have terminology that focuses on specificity. In the same, "somebody" is always used as a metaphorical allegory in the context of the story. Not to mention, Roxas's own interpretation: Early on in the game, he takes the name "Nobody" quite literally, to where Zexion further expands on it, and simply tells him that an incomplete being is referred to as that. As common sense dictates, if you were to ask yourself a question opposite of the answer, you would use wording that's the exact opposite of the terminology you're familiar with ("If I'm a Nobody now...would I be somebody later?"). Not to mention, the general application of "Somebody" is far too literal. Take a look at quote #4. With an equivalent literal application, would that make Namine Kairi's literal shadow? I thought she just a Nobody? Now she's a Shadow? Same thing, really. A deeper look into the context outside of the single sentence is required for full understanding before application. Not to mention, Nobodies, Heartless, Unversed, and Dream Eaters all have one magical thing preceding the names: Count nouns, and plurals! "A", "the", they", "them", etc etc. "Somebody" has I believe only once had a count noun preceding it, and even then, it was used in a metaphorical context.  Not once has been referred in a plural sense in any of the games.  "A Nobody."  "The Heartless."  "The Unversed." "An Unversed."  "A Heartless."  "Nobodies."  Need I go on?

Now, that was contextual evidence...largely based on a deeper understanding of English, as well as sentence structure, more importantly. The solid evidence? I'll let a certain dialogue exchange from Days do the talking:

(Day 10 Mission - The first mission with Zexion) Zexion: "Roxas, you and I and all the Organization's members are what we call Nobodies." Roxas: "Well, that's not very nice." Zexion: "With a capital N. It's a name, for those of us who are missing a vital piece of who we are: our hearts." Roxas: "I don't have a heart?"

Capitalization! Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed, and Dream Eaters, all contain capitalized first letters! Once again, it denotes naming. Not once has somebody ever been capitalized in the games outside of the word being the first word in a sentence, and in every one of those instances, it was used a terribly different context ("Somebody's comin'!"). That right there should be the biggest alarm bell. The second solid proof? Japanese pronunciations. If every one of the games, Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed, and Dream Eaters, are all written in Japanese in a way that they're pronounced in their roman forms: Hātoresu, Nōbadi, Anvāsu, Dorīmu ītā. In short, it's the opposite of Romanji (Don't really know the technical term of pronouncing Latin phonics in Japanese...sorry!). However, the application of "somebody" in Japanese has always been used in native Japanese (the romanji might be a bit off...again, sorry!): Dareka, or hitokadonojinbutsu. Which one depends on the context of the sentence, really.

In short? I'm sorry to say this, but your application of "Somebody" towards "complete beings" is dead wrong. Many before have made this argument, some out of bias, some out of partial proof. I at the very least wanted to provide something solid, and present it in a convincing and sensible way. Am I asking you all to change it to something else? Yeah, I am. This is a wiki, and a wiki should pride itself on providing concrete information, and not speculation. It's a lot of work, but it's worth it. What should you change it to? Just like how "Somebody" isn't a canonical term, there really isn't a canonical term for complete beings. Sure, you could change it to "Complete Beings", but that's sort of a mouthful, and too literal. So, just go with it the standard, proven route: "Characters", or "Other Characters." I mean, it's exactly right.

In any case, I apologize for this humongous wall of text, but I was really going for something presentable and easy to understand. Everyone who has thus far argued against it has been right, but they've been wrong in their approach. I'm really hoping to change that here. --68.230.252.5 17:25, October 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * You forgot Axel's quote: "We Nobodies can never hope to be somebodies" 19:28, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Everything you've just said is a rehash of previous discussions, and your proposed solution is completely unworkable. Are you saying that Axel isn't a character? I doubt it, but that implies you haven't really thought your solution through. Furthermore, your main argument against using "somebody" is full of more speculation than what you're criticizing in the use of "somebody".
 * We already are well aware that "somebody" is not a fully official term, just like "Master Xehanort's Keyblade". However, it is a term used within the scripts to refer to a specific kind of thing, and we are in need of a term to describe this type of being. "Somebody" is neither speculation, nor is it "dead wrong". As we have always said, if you can provide evidence of "complete being"/"complete person"/"any other term" even being spoken within the scripts, we'll consider it. The last person we had claiming it was used swore up and down it was in one of Nomura's interviews, then buggered off when we asked him to prove it. The closest we've ever found is "humans" or "beings", which is used laughably imprecisely -- Scar is in no way a human, and the script also calls Heartless "beings". If "beings" even means anything in the series, it means "not a Nobody", which is hardly useful.
 * On another note, I find it laughable that you denigrate somebody as "retarded", in a series where enemy races have been known as "Unversed". Calling fulfilled people "somebodies" (a term that's, well, actually used in the real world in a similar context, as opposed to this "Heartless", "Nobody", "Unversed", "Dream Eater", etc.) is hardly the least of this series's worries with being nonsensical. 19:43, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, I do agree. However, I'm a patron of proper citations.  "Somebody" is nothing more than made up crap.  In any case, I feel this is relevant to share:  http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kingdom_Hearts_Wiki#.22Somebody.22_is_a_HUGE_Mistake

I'm assuming from their posts that there's some bad blood between you guys. However, I implore you to read each and every post in that discussion, as it's every bit relevant to your wiki as well. Your credibility hinges on it. Dozens of bits of misinformation and misinterpretations are flying around, and I aim to put an end to it. However you approach it, "Somebody" is not a canonical term. Hence, citing it as such is misinformation. Not to mention that "somebody symbol. It's bloody fake, and once more, misinformation.  How you approach this issue will ultimately decide where your place in the community is, whether you'll be just another joke, or a valuable source of information.  That's how I've set this whole thing up.  --68.230.252.5 21:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Somebody" is not made up, and the symbol is from the gotdamn Ultimania. Somebody is also not cited as an official term, and is left as term for our use only. Gotdammit, if you haven't actually read either our discussions or SE's OFFICIAL BLOODY PUBLICATIONS, then please don't barge in here and tell us that we're wrong and should do whatever you say. If people who don't know what the f*** they're talking about think we don't have "credibility" because they haven't actually researched the bloody series.
 * That "symbol" doesn't denote "somebodies", you fool. And once more, it is NOT a canonical term.  And when there ISN'T one, you don't just make shit up!  Is that so bloody difficult to understand? Also, YOUR uses of the term many differ - placeholder, whatever.  But when you CITE it as such, people take it at face value!  It's like the motherfucker of false advertisements.  You know it's wrong, but you put it up there anyway.  And because of THAT, misinformation is spreading.  Chain reaction much?--68.230.252.5 22:10, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The symbol denotes non-Heartless, non-Nobodies. We reviewed every profile it was used on. If you can't shell out to check the Ultimania yourself, then deal with it.
 * No one has ever said that "somebody" is the canonically official term. Please stop making up strawmen. 00:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like I said earlier -- it is vital that we have something to use to refer to this type of being. "Somebody" is not nearly as official as "Heartless", no one's disputing that, but unless you can actually provide a suitable alternative, then you're not being helpful. 21:35, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol. Do you NEED one?  What you had before was perfectly fine.  You saw no people complaining.  However, all of the sudden, there are now TWO Wikis?  I'm sorry.  But even you have to realize, you're just plain wrong on this one.  Here, to help out, I'll quote a commenter from KHU:  "Somebodies? How about people? Just ordinary people. That word does exist in the KH universe right?"  Or how about "King Mickey refers to Sora as the "human with the key." In such meaning, "Somebodies" would not be an appropriate title. They would just be considered "people," whereas Nobodies are referred to as Nobodies, only because they are, in fact of the series, Nobodies. They are also "people" at times, such as the Organization XIII, but because they are on the brink of existence, and empty shells without hearts, they must also be considered Nobodies. The same goes with the Heartless. We called Xehanort's Heartless by the name of "Ansem" in Kingdom Hearts. This virtually depicts him as a "person" who has lost his heart to the Heartless, therefore making him a Heartless, as well as an individual character simultaneously."  Helpful enough?  I'll admit I've exhausted my own argument.  Which is exactly why I've opened the doors for others to step in.  At this point, you're just being stubborn.--68.230.252.5 22:08, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm, I thought we used the term just for categorization of images and articles and not in the text itself. --ShardofTruth 22:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Categorization is still a form of citation. "Dialectical Materialism" is a very long word.  Yet, you won't find somebody abbreviating it "dialism" for sake of categorization.  You still need to use factual information.  --68.230.252.5 22:56, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you happen to be a user on any prominent KH sites, anon?  23:14, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really see how that's relevant. This isn't about me - it's about you guys.--68.230.252.5 23:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you're missing the point. Categorization is about finding the greatest common divisor, not about exact description or even abbreviations. The premise is to use "fan terms" as little as possible. That's why somebodies is used for everything that is not named specifically by the games or by Nomura etc.. It's broad enough to hold them and is already used in the game (instead of complete being for example) even if the context is debatable. If we use more decriptive terms it would be harder and harder to keep the overview and most characters & enemies would be categorizied up to five times before everyone is satisfied. If you could make three or maybe four terms that can hold all the different beings we collect under somebodies now, that would be really helpful.--ShardofTruth 23:52, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "People" is not used to refer to this kind of being, so your friend on KHU is wrong. I'd advise them to actually do any amount of research before mouthing off.
 * "Somebodies" is never used in any discussion of the fiction. It is only used to categorize the heart-body-soul characters, for the purposes of our enemy templates and list of characters in a world. Sooo....yes, we do need a term to use there, if only to have something to enter into the templates.
 * The rest of your comment doesn't make any gotdamn sense. How is using a quote from the game equivalent to cutting the official terms apart? 00:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

We can't use human because unlike Sora not all complete beings in the KH universe are human same thing for people and person they're only used to refer to humans, besides as Shard said we are only using it for categorization and there is no real misinformation in here, there is no real damage in using it for categorization, although I must admit that it wouldn't kill us to mention in the that it isn't an official term  00:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Anon, are you what's his name, NeutraVega? 'cause he came in and made the exact same complaints, without willing to put in one iota of work in finding a more satisfactory term. By your own standards, neither "characters", "people", "humans", nor "complete beings" are more official or accurate. Either lower your standards, or find us a quote. If you're not willing to do the actual research and contribute, then you really have nothing to bring to this decision and should be quiet. 00:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I find it extremely relevant, if my suspisions are correct. Also, I don't think he's NV, because he would be cursing up a storm if he was.   01:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Mysterious Tower Battle Music BBS
Can Anyone Post the batte music "Working Together" From Birth By Sleep? Not the Kingdom Hearts II Version.

No KH3, fansites mistranslated again:
Game Informer 207;
 * Bryan Vore: "Translations of your interview in the Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep Ultimania seem to confirm that Kingdom Hearts III is coming along with two other games."
 * Tetsuya Nomura: "Kingdom Hearts III is not a confirmed titles. I actually phrased my answer for the Ultimania "two titles other than III" to avoid speculation that we were working on Kingdom Hearts III."
 * Bryan Vore: "Are there any hints you can provide about these games?"
 * Tetsuya Nomura: "Hints would give away too much, and for Kingdom Hearts we're contractually obligated to keep any information that has not been officially released under wraps. However, I can say one of the two projects mentioned above came into existence because we wanted to do something for the North American fans, so we'll be announcing it at E3."

RE: your galleries
I notice at:

http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Sora#Forms/Costumes

The galleries are normal. As you may or may not know, they really messed up the galleries, causing a lot of frustration and anger. See:

http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sarah_Manley/Design_your_own_photo_galleries

An editor wrote:


 * I checked with the custom CSSs and KHWiki do not have one. Everyone else who's dissatisfied can check and see one of the example pages, because Wikia seems to have overlook this.


 * I wish to highlight that one of the Wikis, the Kingdom Hearts Wiki apparently managed to keep their old Wikipedia-style Gallery intact. How can they not be affected?

So how did you all doe this ? I would be dying to know because I despise the new galleries too. Please message me on my talk page with a response, or let me know when you responded here. Thank you. Anno1404 01:01, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Facebook symbol.
Hello? 15:02, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone? 22:01, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

What about this? Can someone attach it onto the page? (with permission, of course)

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt273/hsiao-yu/icon_facebook.gif   --Axel  - Boo to you too! http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/Icy_Scientist/pumpkin2.gif 22:08, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Helloooooo? 16:04, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't it say at the top of the page "share this article" with a facebook icon next to it? -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  16:29, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Beside the twitter and freenode symbol, the share the article is only for the page to be shown on your Facebook profile. 17:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Then I don't know. -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  17:44, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I just mean shouldn't we add the facebook symbol beside the microphone on the main page beacause we do have a facebook page? 21:01, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

The New Look
Im sorry Kingdom Hearts Wiki, but this new look is anoying and confusing, if you please.... CHANGE IT BACK!!!

Wikia changed it. We did nothing. ==Pea 14733== 07:51, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well then Wikia change it back!!!

If you read the forum with all the cursing symbols in it's name, and when i say in its name i maean as it's name, you'll find that we've been trying to convince them to do just that, but they just don't wanna listen to us. and please sign your posts-- Shadows  Twilight  06:06, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Command Board updating
Yeah guys, all of the Heartless contained in the box have been updated accordingly. They need to be replaced with more articles in need of repair. I wasn't sure if I was allowed to do this without a staff member... so... yeah. Have fun.

Question
Now that KHW has a YT page, should we link it to the main page ? Also bringing up the reminder about the Facebook group — it'd be great if we could edit just that section of the main page. Tambours Tonnerre Ensemble !  08:11, 10 February 2011 (EST)

News
I think our breaking off from Wikia has earned a mention on the news section on thi Wiki and the Wikia one. There should also definitely be a link on the Wikia-Wiki to this address. If we want thisWiki to get more traffic we need it to be more prominent on the original location.15:30, 12 February 2011 (EST)

Mirage Arena
Now that the Nominations are up and running and the Battle Box vote has started, shouldn't we post a link to them on the main page? 15:57, 12 February 2011 (EST)

Partnership
Hey, sry if I'm in the wrong section, I want to ask you about a partnership with the KH-Wiki. It's ok if you aren't interested in anything like this, just wanted to ask you, though. Just in case I'm one of the leading administrators. Greetings Sum2k3 14:28, 19 March 2011 (EDT) Ok, i was in the wrong section.. also partnership sounds a bit wrong. xD I found the right corner to ask about affiliation. Sum2k3 04:02, 20 March 2011 (EDT)

Interviews
So, mainly spurred by EnglishJoker going around checking our unsourced statements, I went through KHInsider's archives and got links to every interview I could find (excluding a few repetitive ones). I figure it's easier to have a shortlist here rather than having to do this every time we need a source. Most involve fluff we already know now or development things, but I have them for the sake of completedness. So... here:

"The Birth of Kingdom Hearts"  The Birth by sleep ending video  The tone of the Kingdom Hearts series  The side stories of Kingdom Hearts  Days, coded, and BBS, post-reveal   Nomura talks Kingdom Hearts  Days and coded gameplay  BBS, Days, and coded  More BBS, Days, and coded  Tidbits of BBS, Days, and coded  BBS, Days, and coded, take two  New trailers and interviews  New trailers and interviews… again  Three games, three developers, three interviews  Nomura, no answers  Nomura and Hasagawa  Long gameplay… interview?  Long, missing Ultimania interviews   How coded connects  Big Days interview    Big BBS interview  Interview with Yasue  Interview with Nomura and Yasue  Nomura’s opinions on BBS  Nomura on BBS again  Another missing Ultimania interview  Yet another BBS interview  Interview with other developers  Post-BBS interview  Massive BBS interview   Non-Nomura coded interview  Nomura, yes answers  Lots and lots of answers  Nomura is a lying liar  Another short interview  3D, coded, and Pixar  BBS and Re:coded  BBS development and design  Nomura talks 3D  Nomura talks BBS development  Nomura talks 3D  Nomura talks Re: coded development  Nomura talks 3D and BBSFM   Re: coded mysteries   3D interview  BBSFM interview  Wardrobe change in 3D  Yoko Shimomura interview   20 Mysteries of KH 
 * Very brief interview with some information about when Nomura began development on the KH concept.
 * Wide variety of information, mostly relating to the secret ending video of KHIIFM, and the then-recently named characters; Terra, Aqua, and Ven.
 * Again, only a very brief mention of KH, but Nomura notes the difference in tone between KH and FF (the latter is darker than the former), and may indicate the somewhat darker tone Days and BBS took.
 * Generally nothing new except for some tidbits of developmental information, except for one part where Nomura describes the then-untold “side stories” that don’t focus on Sora, including the BBS video, Mickey finding the Kingdom Key D, Roxas’ life, and Riku activity during Sora’s slumber.
 * Simple interviews with Nomura not long after BBS, Days, and coded were revealed.
 * General stuff about the series, particularly BBS, coded, and Days.
 * A brief interview discussing some gameplay for Days and coded.
 * Three sizeable interviews about BBS, Days, and coded, covering a wide array of topics about them.
 * A bit less info than the above interviews, but Nomura talks about the “Unbirths” and seems to make a direct reference to the “born” part of their names. Weird.
 * Tiny interviews about the three games.
 * Contains another set of fairly large interviews about the games.
 * Contains brief interviews about Nomura talking about the then-recently released trailers for the three games.
 * Same as the above.
 * Nomura and two other developers are interviewed.
 * Contains a brief interview where Nomura doesn’t really reveal anything new.
 * Contains part of an interview with Nomura and Hasagawa about the development of Days.
 * Contains a long bit of info about Days’ gameplay. KHInsider says it’s an interview, but either they’re talking about the link to Heartstation I’m too lazy to follow or I’m just not seeing the interview part. Including it for safety.
 * Should contain a long interview about BBS and coded, but the links display 404 errors.
 * Contains a brief interview about the three games, and comments on how coded links up to the rest of the series.
 * A big interview about things relating to the Organization and Days. No, Nobodies don’t age.
 * Equally large interview about BBS with a lot of info. Including the official name of the Unversed.
 * Interview with co-director Yasue about BBS.
 * Interview with Nomura and Yasue about BBS.
 * Contains a brief interview with Nomura, which is mostly his opinions about BBS.
 * More of Nomura discussing BBS, particularly emphasizing how important Braig/Xigbar is in the series.
 * Should contain another Ultimania interview, but instead I get another 404 error.
 * Contains what I said.
 * Two developers, a rare interview devoid of Nomura, discuss the development of BBS.
 * Nomura talks about the steps leading up to KHIII and hints at another game after BBS and coded, and ends by making me want to throw rocks at him for not telling us anything.
 * Massive interview about some new revelations made in BBS.
 * Jun Kato discusses the development of coded and hints at it being released for systems other than phones.
 * Large interview with Nomura actually directly answering plot questions for once, mostly relating to BBS and questions it raised.
 * More of the above, but much larger and answering more questions.
 * Short interview about BBS where Nomura comments that there won’t be a game based on the Keyblade War. But he also says that there wouldn’t be a BBSFM, so we know how good his promises are…
 * Mostly about BBS and a bit about 3D development.
 * Contains brief info about 3D, coded, and Nomura’s interest in bringing in Pixar characters in the future.
 * Nomura talks about the changes to the English version of BBS and Re:coded.
 * Nomura talks about the development and design decisions behind BBS.
 * Short interview with Nomura giving a few details about KH3D’s story and whatnot.
 * Short interview where Nomura talks about why he made some development choices in BBS, like including Zack or some of the worlds.
 * Contains a brief Youtube of Nomura talking about 3DS.
 * Short interview about Re: coded.
 * Fairly large interview with Nomura discussing KH3D & BBSFM.
 * Interview with Nomura about Re: coded and the questions it raised.
 * A brief interview about the future of KH.
 * Short interview about the changes to BBSFM from the English BBS.
 * Very brief tidbit about Nomura looking into Sora and Riku’s outfits changing.
 * Change of pace with Shimomura talking about the music.
 * Don't think I found this one earlier. It's the one dealing with the origin of Xemnas, the Org., etc.

--09:21, 13 July 2011 (EDT)