User talk:KrytenKoro/Archive 12

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 * 3) They allow you to use the image's on your own websites or on forums, instead of being restricted to wiki.

Only images that are important to the main articles (ie, images created by SE or Disney) should be uploaded to the wiki, as this allows them to load slightly quicker, making it easier to browse the wiki for information. Due to the large amount of textboxes used on the talk pages, images used as a textbox avatar (not as a userpage avatar) should also be uploaded, to reduce the load time on talk pages. However, the slightly slower load time for user pages with large fan art galleries is very much compensated for by the overall faster load time for the entire wiki if those images are externally hosted; thus, "user art" should be externally hosted. Glorious  CHAOS!  22:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Cast and Crew Bios
I noticed you had created a page for Utada Hikaru. I did one for Quinton Flynn...I'll handle Voice Actors, should this be the way we do things...Should you see this, we should discuss it on the IRC sometime tonight or tomorrow... I just need the video fixed. Also, I think we should only cover Organziation XIII and the main Keyblade Wielders in terms of Voice actors, as well as the main Disney characters (ie. Donald, Goofy, King Mickey)http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Quinton_Flynn - EternalNothingnessXIII.


 * I actually think we should just work on fleshing these two out for now. Two is a good starting number for a demo, and if the proposal gets turned down then we've done a lot of work for nothing. kh2.co.uk would be a good source to search for relevant info, since wikipedia has hardly anything on KH info for the two. I might also try uploading the mp3's for the Utada tracks, though I'm not sure what the policy is on full songs - I have no capability for cutting them, though. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Template Images
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Gameicon
So, I noticed that you revised the Gameicon template. However, it seems that it still isn't working. I think we might want to take ILHI's suggestion and ping some staff over at Halopedia. What do you think? -- Door To  Nothing  17:28, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. See if you can get their code guy to actually provide a draft of how our css and js should look like when correctly modified (not just what should be added, but the whole thing). Glorious  CHAOS!  19:29, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll be sure to ask for that. I'll ping an admin or two, and maybe a leave a topic in their forums. Sounds good, or too much?-- Door To  Nothing  19:32, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I pinged three active admins and left a message on their Forums. I included the request for a draft of what our MediaWiki's CSS and JS should look like. Now, all we can do is wait.... -- Door To  Nothing  20:44, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Birth By Sleep
Dear KrytenKoro,

I read your King Mickey article and I was wondering... Where do I find the scene in which you describe about the King practicing with Yen Sid and Donald and Goofy are watching? You said it was in the Birth By Sleep trailer, yet I've seen it, and I don't remember that scene. Could you please tell me where I can see it? Thank You So Much!!! :-D
 * It's not "my" article, but it's in the most recent trailer. It should be viewable on the BBs page. Glorious  CHAOS!  02:28, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Rude
Why do you guys keep deleting everything that isn't placed by you admins except the knowlegde other people have for the series quit being jerks.

You "Admins" always put small unneeded stuff all the time and you say my stuff garbage(\_/)

Look I'm not trying to be rude but you guys post unneeded stuff to look for yourself and actually read them okay.

I've read all the pages Ok and if you got the message I gave got it.

Lindworm
Just curious, where'd you find the name? Was the ROM leaked or anything?—Urutapu 03:58, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Something hit me...
--i rather we just skip the formalities 19:35, September 24, 2009 (UTC)hey, i was wondering why the weapon templates for Days was taking so long, if you need the help just leave a message


 * ...I HAVE A HUGE TEST TODAY. WAIT FOR THE FRICKING WEEKEND. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:16, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Some help
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English 358/2 Days Heartless Names Update
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Weapon Names
Lon3wolf 11:44, September 28, 2009 (UTC) What about each weapon's stats? Do you want me to do them, or it won't help?

Game Icons
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World Appearances
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Worlds
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358/2 days weapon stats
Well if you put it that way.. I'll leave them to you. But with all the respect, if the game's right, why bothering with the guide?... Anyway, this time I was extra careful not to make any mistakes. Which means that I just want to save you some time. Let me know if you want any help on the game and I'll do my best.

Lon3wolf 06:13, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Well, there are 2 (maybe more) ways to check if the guide is wrong. One is checking the game after consulting the guide, the other is checking the guide after consulting the game. Both have their pros and cons. As far as stats are concerned, they are pure numbers, you write what you see, there can be no misinterpretations. You don't need to read all this, but personally I think you would save time after all..

Lon3wolf 15:01, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for reading and answering anyway, I'm sure you know what you're doing. Just keep in mind that I'm ready to help if you tell me to.

Days Heartless Template
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About the guide..
Lon3wolf 15:16, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, then you really must do it as the guide says so that no readers are confused with it (what they did made the guide confusing in the first place). But if you want me to do Roxas' weapons according to the (+15) guide stats, or anything else on the game I'm ready to do so too, just leave a message in my talk page. If you don't... well don't leave a message! :D

Missions
Forum:Mission Articles Glorious  CHAOS!  22:29, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

In 358 over 2 days, Roxas' statement when Riku calls him sora is very similar to Sora's reaction in KH2. I believe that this should be mentioned on Roxas' page, but it has been blocked. Could someone please add that?

Oops, please add!
Sorry, I meant to put this in a new section. My fault.

In 358\2 days, Roxas' response to being called Sora ("What are you talking about? I am me! Nobody else!) is very similar to Sora's responses to the Organization at being called Roxas.

Unfortunately, I am not an admin, and cannot add this, due to the page being locked. Could someone add this to the Trivia section?

Dragonraptyr 07:41, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

May I ask why you undid my revision to the page "Saix (Boss)"? I simply added the battle quotes from Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days. Was it really necessary to undo what I contributed?

A Gift - Archive Image
I had made you this : to replace that silly file cabinet image for your archives. I hope you like it. I tried to keep to your "theme." Use it if you wish. Perhaps edit it to make it bigger... the text at the bottom says "3.14159279... the World's Only Edible Number." with the word "Archives" above... I'm sorry to annoy you, hope the times get better, wish you luck, and am sorry for the inconvenience. - EternalNothingnessXIII 01:09, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I could also make you something different with my new software if you'd like. And the image doesn't have to be Kingdom Hearts... _EternalNothingnessXIII 14:57, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Response.
Well it is a wiki, and it is for information, so if you do not want battle quotes, then what is even the point of having a Battle Quotes heading? It is not like I added false information, and why shouldn't I re-add it? It is true, I have the game, beaten it, and at least I made sure that the information I added was accurate. If you are trying to get rid of "white space", then get rid of the Battle quotes section in all. What is the point of having a section that is just "white space" and adding any information to it is still "white space". So if you could please explain to me, why are you even trying to get rid of information that some may find interesting? I enjoy looking at the battle quotes, so is it really that wrong to add to the information that is already here? I did not spam, nor did I post anything that is false. So if you do not want people adding "white space" then get rid of battle quotes since the quotes that I posted are obviously useless. It would keep people from being misled as it did for me.

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 * Sora's wandering around, and the huge Large Body appears
 * Sora: "Woah, it's huge!!"
 * Larxene does something ridiculous
 * Goal: "Defeat the Heartless!"
 * Sora: "Ah, surprising..."

Unless there's an ultimania for coded, I would suggest that this Large Body is just another form of Large Body, like the oriental Bolt Towers. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:54, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I very much appreciate you responded in a respectful, and mature way. Thank you. Please recognize that I was not meaning to be rude in anyway, just trying to find out why exactly my information was not needed. I also appreciate your comment on the strategy section. I tried my best to add what I remembered, I will most likely modify it again, this time, taking your suggestions for the quotes, of when he says something, he is about ready to do a specific attack. Thank you again for answering my questions with such haste. --Sylint19 21:35, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Vandal
Could you warn this guy or something?—Urutapu 15:09, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Help for the tab input
Unbirth and I were planning to use the same infobox tab idea over KHFR. Problem is, I've been desperate enough to copy most of the CSS/JS functions on the MediaWiki namespace, but the template still isn't working.

The template is at w:c:fr.kingdomhearts:Modèle:Sans-coeur - and the afterslashes (KH, COM etc) are the same.

Please help us out on this one !  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 15:40, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Tried pinging ILHI and GS. GS says you did it. ILHI's on a wikibreak and he gave me the coding page, but he's pretty lazy to look at what went wrong with the template, which leaves me with no other choice but to start from scratch.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 21:36, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Please see this.
http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Petition:_More_Ops_on_IRC — Ghost boy 3000 23:04, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Wha?
Why remove the reference? It's true D: Kaihedgie 17:12, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Gear Lists
ok, i gotta ask, since i made the changes and put the argument in the talk page, what is the purpose of leaving the lists of gears on Panel System and Gear to include the sizes and "+"'s instead of just listing those on their individual pages? it just clutters the list and doesn't help in any way. also, while redirecting all those gear varieties is all well and good, wouldn't it be better to not have to, i.e. to have them all set to the same link (i.e. Technical Gear ③, Technical Gear+ ③ both link directly to Technical Gear instead of each having it's own redirect)? --Neumannz 22:25, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Any official term that appears in the games should be searchable here. There is no guarantee that every reader of this wiki is a KH expert (in fact, it's very unlikely).
 * 2) Those two articles are not summaries, they are lists. Of every gear. For example, what if someone for some reason wants to know how many different types of panels there are? (Maybe they are trying to see if they have the same count in their game) Truncating the list because of similar entries would screw them up, and it's a less elegant solution to say "Just go to every page linked here and see if there are multiple versions listed". Glorious  CHAOS!  22:29, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Vandal
ID User:173.71.127.38 needs to be ban.-- Ninja Sheik  00:33, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. You...Got my message...Um, Sir Kryten...Um, ID User:173.71.127.38 might have account here. Look at this new user here~ User:Q1234567890. I think they're the same guy...-- Ninja Sheik  00:44, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

ID User:173.71.127.38 needs to be ban. This time, for real. He re move all content from his talk page, inculding the warnings.-- Ninja Sheik  02:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Surprise, Surprise
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 * Why is it a Bandit? Pot Centipede or Genie Jafar would be cooler. Hell, I still can't understand why, with three appearances, they haven't done Snake Jafar. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:36, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Mission Articles
We actually decided to keep the name with the word-title. I believe that our reasoning can be found here: Forum:Mission Articles. -- Door To  Nothing Kupo! 06:06, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Heartless Templates
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Messages
I'm so, so sorry to bother you right now, Sir Kryten, but I need your help. I'm not getting mail from the wiki saying things are updating even though I have my watch on them. I'm getting nothing. Is something wrong with me or something? I don't why I'm not getting messages. Can you please help me?-- Ninja Sheik  16:16, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to change my name, but I noticed it wasn't possible, so what I decided to do was make a new account, but to use the same e-mail since I use it much more. So I changed the email on this one to another email of mine and then I tried to create new account but it said that I couldn't do it at the time.

So I was wondering, can I not make an account at certain times, and if that's not the case then was it cause I already used the email before? And if it is possible for you to change my account name that would be much easier. Thanks. --Underdemon14 10:06, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * I honestly have no idea. Glorious  CHAOS!  10:19, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Card Pages
--Lutimuta 20:37, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Hey there.

How was my minor edit wrong?

--Lutimuta 22:25, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Well ok then.

Image restrictions
I somewhat object to punishing innocents like myself by banning fanart uploads outright just because of a few jerks – especially since the jerks can still externally host their fanart and then link to it, so you still can't prevent it from being put in the mainspace by just forbidding it. Nonetheless, I accept it now that the text has been altered. I will happily allow my other fanart sprite scenes to be deleted too, as I am now externally hosting them. Just out of interest, how did you fail to notice and delete the other five?
 * I was being obnoxious not to be a jerk, but to make a point. You're welcome, btw, for the system message-editing thing. I only found out about it myself when I adopted Puzzles Wiki :P

In response to your apology for your "harsh tone", don't worry: it didn't bother me too much. You probably have to deal with a fair amount of crap, and I concede that my being mildly anal just to make my point was perhaps not the right way to do things, so I think I should apologise too. Let's call it quits, shall we? : )

Something to who who's online...
Um... GB, I can't see the link because of my computers Parnetal Controls, but don't we already have that? If you click on the more in Recent Changes box...-- 14:03, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah... but it says Last online ____ — Ghost boy 3000 14:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Oh...-- 14:09, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

What the heck!?
So Vanitas isn't enough for you but you had to delete everthing about the plot's Terra,Aqua, and Ventus. God! Cococrash11

What're you talking about? Is something the matter?-- Ninja Sheik  19:44, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

League of Villains
I only put the group of villains who are followers of Maleficent. User:Mbvnmrlpnle

Gear Descriptions
each gear has a different description for each organization member, the only exceptions being pandora's, zero, casual and mystery. is it really ok to start putting up a description for any other gear (i.e. skill) when it doesn't always apply? --Neumannz 21:13, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Side-bar error
In the side-bars, "Vexen" is missing under "Universe of Kingdom Hearts" --> "Main Antagonists" --> "Organization XIII". Could you please fix this?
 * EDIT (05:01, November 5, 2009 (UTC)) : Along the same lines of side-bar errors, "Piano Collections Kingdom Hearts 2nd Album" needs to be changed to "Piano Collections Kingdom Hearts Field and Battle", under "Merchandise" --> "Music". Thanks! -- Door To  Nothing Kupo! 04:56, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Unused Panels?

 * The Blue Dodge Roll, Blue Aerial Recovery, Blue Sliding Dash, Blue Haste, Blue High Jump, Red Treasure Magnet isn't anything. Apparently just palette swaps.
 * The first five equipments, the elemental, and the stat ups aren't anything, as far as I know.
 * The red Limit Break over a dark background is the Limit Pass.
 * Those spherical synthesis materials I don't know.
 * There's a "D" Glide that isn't anything. The Glide panels should have a red H, a blue +1, and a yellow R. The Air Slide's should have a blue +1 and a yellow R. The black Block should be an R, the white Block should be a P, the purple Block should be a J, the orange Block should be an O. So, we're missing quite a few.
 * The robots, sparkles, bird and ! aren't anything. I feel like the $ is used on the rewards menu for obtained munny, but I'm not at all sure.
 * I feel like the "P" should be something, but I'm not at all sure.

I've not heard of any panels removed during dubbing, so it seems like these were removed before release. The elemental ones look awesome, though, could we get them uploaded anyway? Glorious  CHAOS!  04:16, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Mission 00
Don't you just hate it when Users make contributions like these? Just look at this article's revision before I left it with just an Under Construction template. -- Door To  Nothing Kupo! 05:13, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Promise
I'm sorry for being burden, KrytenKoro. I'm really, really sorry. I won't be part of that fourm, anymore. So, you don't have to worry. Also, I promise not to be a burden anymore to you.

I went back there, one last time, to apologize for my behavior. You don't have to aplogize for me. I know when I'm wrong and I have to do things myself. I saw what you did, Sir Kryten...I mean, KrytenKoro...-- Ninja Sheik  02:55, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

IM

 * I don't despise you at all. I got inordinately riled at your initial behavior, but that's long past. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:52, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, Kryten, same for me. What's in the past should stay there. So would you say yes or no? I'm sure this could be the start of something great. - 17:14, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. my e-mail address should be reachable on the sidebar, and if you can't get my MSN from that, wiki-mail me yours and I'll e-mail you mine. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:07, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Curses... I never activated the Wiki e-mail and all that stuff. Any way to activate it through preferences or something? And thank you.

EDIT : Well, Wiki-mail doesn't seem to be working, and I see no e-mail in the sidebar. How about just my gmail address, instead? - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:10, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

novels
(I'm not all that familliar with how to use wikis, so I'm sorry if I do things wrong!)

gold_panner here.

You are very welcome to use my translations! I didn't do all that work just to keep them to myself ^^; Thank you very much for asking, though. As long as either myself or the site http://heartstation.org are referenced, I have no problems with it. It is probbaly best to mention which information is novel, though, because many people don't consider them canon... when I get some time, I can go through the wiki, as well. I have noticed some mis-interpretations a while ago, but I didn't really do anything. I'd be happy to help. I'm extremely busy at the moment, but next week should be much better for me...

"Last Minute to the Castle Oblivion" hasn't got any Japanese; it's written in English in the book. So even though it sounds weird, I left it like it is. You're probably right about it, though.

For the record, you'd be much better off contacting me on my LiveJournal, http://gold-panner.livejournal.org, since that sends me email alerts... and, if that wasn't where you were reading my translations, there's a much more complete list there! (124.149.206.47 20:37, November 11, 2009 (UTC))

I saw you took out the section of Larxene's page about the novels. I tried to improve it once, so this time I'm going recommand someone with good explaination details. I would recommand Sir DTN, Sit GS, Lady TNE, or Mister JudgementDaay95/ I saw the edits he made on Axel's page and they were pretty good. I think we should to the novels one as well.

Oh, and Gold_Panner, I recently added you on as a friend a few days ago.-- Ninja Sheik  22:53, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Um... I'm confused. Who was it that posted this message on my KHI profile?

I just found out that you are responsible for the novel translations, and I would like to ask permission for us to summarize them at the kingdom hearts wiki. From our Manual of style, I don't think we'd directly source the translations on the character articles, but we would provide links to your translations on our article about the novels themselves. If we misinterpret the novel in summarizing it, it would be very appreciated for you to correct us, as well.

Also, I can't be sure because I don't have access to the Japanese itself, but I believe the title for "Last Minute to the Castle Oblivion" might be intended to be "Previous Minutes at Castle Oblivion", using "Minutes" as in a record of what is said at a meeting. Again, not sure at all since I'm just looking at your translated version.

If possible, please respond to me at the wiki or in an e-mail, since I'm not sure I would come back here soon.</i>

I was responding to that ^^;

@Ninjasheik: Oh, tell me who you were! A few people have added me. I don't like friending LJ accounts without posts in them, because they can then see private info about me and I don't know a thing about them ^^;
 * That was me, goldpanner. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:28, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I go by the name utauda14. I had to use a different alias for a certain reason, which I can't you. Please, add me as a friend! I don't go there often, only if there's something about Kingdom Hearts there and I need to see it!-- Ninja Sheik  22:04, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

あっ
I don't know how to e-mail you :[—Urutapu 22:10, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * It should be in the sidebar to the left. I've enabled e-mails for my account, so anyone should be able to e-mail me through that. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

some argument that is not part of the topic above it ಠ_ಠ
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That's quite enough...
Seriously? This is still going on? Why?

Why is time being wasted on this? This is a wiki. About a video game. Why do we have people arguing about details with the furor of scholars who found a missing fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Why are you spending time arguing and focusing on personality vs. personality, when no one is obviously going to back down? Why are there people arguing about maturity and reliability while at the same time keeping the drama going because they have to get the last word in?

I have gotten comments from other editors, via e-mail and IRC, about how ridiculous and unproductive this whole thing has been. The main reason I have decided to step in is because of their concerns.

This is the one and only warning to the parties involved: Stop it. On this page, on every page that this argument has persisted on. No one is being impressed, here or anywhere, and nothing has been gained. Get back to the business at hand which is editing the wiki, and let this whole thing lie. Bebop Kate  03:19, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

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Sora's Keblade picture
Why did you put Sora's keyblade picture in Riku? Cococrash11
 * Because he wields it during the Hollow Bastion story. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:51, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

E-mail
Please check your e-mail immediately. There is an urgent message from Yer mom and I for the whole Staff. -- 03:40, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Speaking of e-mails, and I'm sorry for being a pest, is it possible we could get my e-mail option working? - EternalNothingnessXIII 01:29, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's in your preferences. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:39, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, and I saw it. However, the box won't let me "check" it.

EDIT : It says my e-mail hasn't been authenticated, and when I click on "confirm e-mail", it takes me to some random window. - EternalNothingnessXIII 01:43, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea, then. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:47, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I got it. I confirmed and checked "allow others to e-mail." Now what? - EternalNothingnessXIII 01:53, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Template
What is it this time that you don't like one of my idea? I mean with the Main Character Template it hads links to the other main characters. Cococrash11
 * I deleted it because someone posted it on the Pages for Deletion page, and when I got there there was only the "delete" template. Take it up with whoever put it up for deletion. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:15, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Do you know who? Cococrash11

List of known Keyblade Wielders
Why the heck do you change my edit on List of known Keyblade Wielders? I mean why did you put Sora's Keyblade picture in Riku's page it doesn't make sense? What I edit on that page actually make sense. Cococrash11
 * Please read the talk page. The captions you added were not in line with what we're trying to do with that page, and you removed some construction notes before they had been accomplished.


 * Sora's gallery was supposed to include every keychain, not just Kingdom Key and Way to the Dawn
 * "Riku was the orginal owner of this Keyblade" is just stupid, and the intent of those notes is to show all Keychains and Keyblades a wielder has used - "x's x-blade" is used when they wielded someone else's Keyblade. Therefore, you wouldn't say "Riku's Keyblade" in Riku's gallery - you'd just say "Way to the Dawn".
 * Same with the "Roxas's" stuff. Those Keyblades already belong to him.
 * Again with Star Seeker and Xion's Kingdom Key. Those shouldn't be named like that. Glorious  CHAOS!  10:58, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Whats so wrong about writing like this Xion's Kingdom Key or Sora's Keyblade its not wrong. Theres no picture in Sora's and why include every Gear Keyblade picture in the list just Kingdom Key is just fine. Cococrash11
 * You know what? If you're not going to listen to my reply, then just don't leave a question in the first place. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:19, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

I did read your reply but you didn't write why beside when I look at Sora's page I thought it should had pictures. Cococrash11
 * AGAIN: the purpose of saying "x's x-blade" is to differentiate those times that they are wielding someone else's Keyblade. For example, Riku can equip the Oblivion in 358/2 Days, but it is not his Keyblade - the "x's" serves to note that. By placing them absolutely everywhere, you negate the purpose of that, and make it so it's just adding text.
 * Sora's should have pictures. They need to be placed in the gallery format, like with the other characters. Glorious  CHAOS!  18:35, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

why?
why do you keep deleting my articles?

Bugs
I found out in Ganga's scan its called Bugs not Bug Block. Cococrash11

Where do you get the link for Bug Block's proof? I got it from this link http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/138443-new-gangan-scans-dec-09-issue-translated.html for Bugs' proof. Cococrash11

Copyright?
I recently realized something about the articles that a certain user (edit to see) has been adding about Kingdom Hearts coded. The information is taken DIRECTLY from another person's gamefaqs guide to the game. I think that this is against Wiki-policy, and could be rather serious. After all, I highly doubt that this user got the writer's permission to add this information. What is to be done? -- 06:17, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry about your need to replace your computer, that's unfortunate. The user's name is here on your talk page, I just ised the invisible text coding to show it so that it could only be seen via edit. Check the contributions of this user, he/she even links to the guide that he/she copies the information from. That's why his/her articles start out with several parts in    boxes, and not Wiki-formatted. For example, check the first editions of such articles as Hero's License and Version Up. -- 00:37, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought you meant check the RecentChanges. Yeah, the information needs to be synthesized from videos or sources. The guide can be used to check your info, but not for the writing itself. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:36, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Holiday Avatar Delivery!
I regretfully was not able to fit in a Christmas tree. It looked too unbalanced, so I put in two. ^_^ Happy Holidays! Bebop Kate  00:03, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

CUTE~!-- Ninja Sheik  00:07, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Mission Titles
Are you really that serious about capatilization in the mission article titles? I understand that in the game the name is not capitalzed, since it's more of a description than a name, and I don't care what you have written in the body of the article, but at least in the context of article titles, it seems much more appropriate to have it capitalized. --Neumannz 21:38, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's fine to have them as alternate titles for the purposes of redirects, but "proper capitalization" doesn't really enter into it when we have official titles. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:07, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

God just permban plz.
User:Mbvnmrlpnle Ban him. He's creating useless articles and not listening to warnings. --oddishh 19:46, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

I took care of him this time around. Bebop Kate  20:08, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Hi,I was reading the Birth By Sleep page,that mentioned that Atlantia would be in it.Would that mean it would be close to The Little Mermaid:Ariel's Beginnings,with her mother Queen Atena,King Triton,and her sisters as kids?What do you think?--Hikaruyami-having fun* 13:47, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

A question
Hello. Regarding the "rule" of talk pages, I have a question. A seemingly well-informed user of the chat room told me that I could create a Rules section on my talk page. My question is, is this true, and if it is, could I remove any comments on my page that break the rules? --WorldOfChaos 16:00, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Whether or not they break the rules, removing comments from talk pages is bad wikiconduct. If someone breaks the rules (as to manners, vulgarity etc.), don't take the law into your own hands. The best you can do is filter out the junk yourself, but be sure to have their comments stay on the page.  TNÉ  <font color="#00BFFF">Pour Noël je te donnerai <font color="#C0C0C0">le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 16:25, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that doesn't quite answer my question. Am I allowed to make a rules section on my talk page? --WorldOfChaos 23:47, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Rules - yes (I do too ^_^), provided that you don't resort to removing comments after a breach of those rules.  TNÉ  <font color="#00BFFF">Pour Noël je te donnerai <font color="#C0C0C0">le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 23:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I was not aware that you could make your own rules - the most I've seen is requests that commentators do not use vulgarity. However, the overlying rule is still that comments should not be deleted unless they are purely vandalism, so I'm unsure what a personal rules section would allow; if someone's using vulgarity on your page you would just report them to an admin, just as usual. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:15, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

WorldofChaos's Archives
Could you please take time off of your busy schedule to aid WorldofChaos in his archiving? He did it incorrectly, and if I moved the page, wouldn't that mess up the page for what its true purpose is? - EternalNothingnessXIII 00:20, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Aero Finish
I would like your opinion on the current layout of the article Aero Finish, particularly the list of ways to equip it. I took that list from the guide, and it took a very long amount of time to type. I'm not sure about it, because it looks somewhat messy and takes forever to finish. Perhaps a table or template would be better, but what do you think? -- 05:48, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Mugshots
-- 08:26, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

We have another vandal
Could you please ban him or something like that? - <font face=Century color=maroon>Lev <font face=Century color=black>L  19:15, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

3 Game Artwork
You've just delete my 3 game pic file. You said you already have the picture can you show me where the link is? --Cococrash11 21:59, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11

Saïx's complete being
Technically, the terms "Somebodies" and "Other" have both been used to describe a person who hasn't lost their heart. Since both terms have only been used once, have never been used prior to their first occurance, and hasn't been touched upon by Nomura, could we just leave it as "complete being"? -- 05:19, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess it would be reasonable, and if that's what everyone wants I certainly won't get in the way, but it it seems to be aesthetically lacking. Technically, the article is referring to Saix before he lost his heart, isn't it? Glorious  CHAOS!  08:35, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, which we technically treat as a different person. I also just noticed that the word "technically" has been used in every message so far. Since the terms "Somebodies" and "Other" may not be official terms story-wise, I think we should just leave the article's title general, as Saïx's complete being. -- 08:52, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * No problems, then. We'll be able to upload it under an actual name soon, anyway. Glorious  CHAOS!  08:55, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Image Deletions
Just list which images you'd like to have restored, and I will review them. <font face="Trebuchet MS"> BLUER   一番   09:00, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * I reviewed the images.


 * "File:Xehanort Portrait.jpg" is a slight copy of "File:Xehanort.png", with a picture frame. Please determine whether one of these would be used.
 * "File:Tamer.jpg", "File:Lance Warrior.jpg", "File:Hookbat.jpg", "File:Follow the wind-BBS.jpg", "File:Iron Hammer.jpg", "File:Hunter.jpg", "File:205-Merlin's House.jpg" and "File:Dtdscreen.gif" are missing their licensing info. I will restore these for licensing, without which they will be deleted again.
 * "File:Keyblade of Terra.jpg" had its copyright info missing and was not used in any articles. I will restore this IF there is assurance that the licensing is corrected AND the image is used.
 * "File:ShockedDaysRoxas.png" ‎was appended with the delete template. I'll only restore this on uploader request.
 * "File:SadDaysRoxas.png" ‎was appended with the delete template. I'll only restore this on uploader request.
 * "File:StopDaysRoxas.png ‎was appended with the delete template. I'll only restore this on uploader request.
 * "File:Rikuarchives.png" uses a fair-use image and was not properly licensed. I'll only restore them on uploader/user request when he/she will comply on the licensing requirement.
 * "File:KH-Rikku projectScrapped.jpg" is a duplicate of File:Kingdomhearts-rikku-concept-art.jpg, which is currently used in the Gullwings article.
 * "File:Userbox passion.png" was appended with the delete template with the reason given by Troisnyxetienne that "a higher-res image is already in use".
 * "File:IValorForm.jpg" was appended with the delete template with the reason given by Troisnyxetienne that "the PNG version of this file is now in use."
 * As for the screenshot images, I am not sure how these will be used, I would restore them if there's a perfectly good reason to do so. Thank you, and just let me know if there's any further concerns. <font face="Trebuchet MS"> BLUER   一番   10:34, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * The images in question should be provided with suitable copyright templates, and information on the source of these images is optional but encouraged. Both the Xehanort portrait and the Keyblade image in question will be restored but they should also be given proper copyright information and used in any relevant articles, please. <font face="Trebuchet MS"> BLUER   一番   11:00, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Aeleus
As of yet, there is no official confirmation on Aeleus's voice actor. I was going to fix this in the infobox, but I noticed that the article was protected. Would you please fix this on the article? -- 23:26, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Can you move my pages
It's not letting me move my talkpage Demonic Kunai 00:07, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's moved now, isn't it? Glorious  CHAOS!  00:53, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Trading Cards
Okay I see now, thanks. Sorry to cause more work for you. Update: The images we have are the only ones I've been able to find...If theres a specific one you need just tell me. Also, I found this, it's a group of cards but they are bunched together. We/someone could probably edit them to make separate cards but that would be time consuming plus the image size would be small; not sure how to fix that.-- Xion 4  ever  21:42, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I found a written version of the Jump Festa 2010 Trailer Can You Put It On The Birth By Sleep Page?
<!-- DiZ is probably the one doing the narration...

DiZ: “Everything is born from sleep. Yes, even you...” Ven is sleeping on a chair. We don’t know where it is, but is this the “Room of Awakening”?

Birth by Sleep

In Land of Departure Eraqus is speaking with Xehanort Xehanort: “There is only a little that has come down to us about the Keyblade Wars. After the destruction creation slept. After the Keyblade Wars what slept? Are we destined to discover the light and be equal to it as it says in the legend? That is what I want to find out.”

In Land of Departure Terra and Aqua are trying to comfort Ven who looks depressed. Terra: “My dream is to become a Keyblade Master.” Aqua: “You mean it’s “our” dream, right?” Terra: “Right. All of us. It’s our dream.” Terra hands over a wooden keyblade. (On it is written “TERRA”)

In the Mysterious Tower Ven appears in front of Donald and Goofy Donald: “Gaaaaaaaaaah!?” Wrapped in light and unconscious [? maybe unconscious ‘fallen’] Ven us holding the King’s “star fragment” in his hand. Donald: “The King!?” Goofy: “Nope, doesn’t look like it.”

In Castle of Dreams Terra talks with the Fairy Godmother. Fairy Godmother: “Terra, do you have a heart that believes in dreams?”

In Disney Town Captain Justice appears in front of Aqua. Captain Justice: “Captain Justice at your service!” Aqua: “Huh?” (cocks her head)

In Neverland Peter Pan appears in front of Ven. Lost Boys: “Peter Pan!” Peter Pan: “Who’s this?”

In Disney Town Terra seems to be asking Chip and Dale something. Chip: “What are you doing!” Dale: “That’s against the rules!” Minnie: “No, I don’t think we can accept that...”

In Olympus Colosseum Zack asks Aqua out on a date. Zack: “Hey, want to go on a date with me? Just one?” Aqua: “I.. I...” Aqua tries to decline.

In Dwarf Woodlands Ven is comforting Snow White. Ven: “A heart that is scared will see illusions.”

In Olympus Colosseum Hercules talks with Terra. Hercules: “Someday I’ll be a champ too, and then I’ll become a hero.”

In Deep Space Aqua gives 626 a charm. Aqua: “This will be my connection to you.” 626: “?” Aqua: “Will you be my friend?”

In Olympus Colosseum Hades tries talking to Terra. Hades: “Why don’t you try controlling the darkness and becoming even more powerful?”

In Castle of Dreams, Ven and Jaq have made Cinderella’s dress. Jaq: “Hurry! The ball is going to start soon!” Cinderella: “Thank you so much.”

In Neverland Peter Pan hands Aqua a wooden keyblade. Aqua: “This...” Peter Pan: “Ven left that behind.”

In Dwarf Woodlands the Queen laughs as she makes Snow White eat the poison apple.

In Enchanted Dominion Terra seems to have realized something. Terra: “What did you make me do!?”

In the wastelands Mickey stands over Ven, who has fallen. Mickey: “A keyblade isn’t something you use to hurt people!” He is pointing his keyblade at someone.

[Hikari plays]

Scenes from the opening movie and the Birth by sleep secret movie play. - Terra and Aqua fight. - Vanitas holds out his hand to Ven. (Reminiscent of the opening to KHII with Sora and Riku.) - TAV look at the charm they hold in their hands. - Three stained glass floors - Ven is running. You can’t tell where, but afterward the darkness turns to light. - Terra runs, in a place that looks like Castle Oblivion. Afterward the light turns to darkness. - Aqua looks worried, holding her hands to her chest. - Aqua then Terra then Ven fall with a lot of keyblades. Ven smashes the stained glass floor (Maybe the picture is Sora or Roxas?)

- Radiant Garden, Terra and Xehanort. Xehanort: “Aqua and Ventus have light that is too strong, it will just make the darkness inside you more apparent.”

- In Land of Departure Eraqus asks something of Aqua. Eraqus: “If the unthinkable happens and Terra really falls into darkness, bring him back to me immediately.”

Enchanted Dominion, Maleficent makes Terra’s darkness stronger. Maleficent: “Look, look at the darkness that sleeps inside you.”

Land of Departure, Ven and Vanitas Ven: “Who are you?” Vanitas: “You’ll have to see for yourself, when Terra will stop being Terra.”

Radiant Garden, Xehanort speaks with Terra. They’re outside. Xehanort: “You should know him, the masked boy. His name is Vanitas.”

Radiant Garden, Vanitas has fallen and Aqua gets close to him and tries to take off his mask. Aqua: “Just who are...?” Vanitas: “Hahahahahaha” (He suddenly starts laughing.)

Radiant Garden, Xehanort tries to get Terra to leave. They’re inside. Xehanort: “Travel the worlds! And destroy that one who disturbed the balance, Vanitas!”

Mysterious Tower, Mickey and Yen Sid. Yen Sid: “Mickey, it seems something terrible is going to happen.”

Wastelands, Xehanort and Ven who is holding his head, the King has fallen. Xehanort: “You are losing [yourself?], you must take it all back, grab it anew!”

Unknown place, Someone is talking with Vanitas ??? (Xehanort?): “How is he, Ventus?” Vanitas: “I must make him stronger.” Vanitas holds his mask.

Destiny Island, Riku talks with Terra. Terra: “Why do you want to go to other worlds?” Riku: “I want to become stronger.”

Radiant Garden Aqua and the King have just save (?) Kairi. Aqua: “I feel a light in this girl.” The King: “There might be something special in this girl.” Kairi just stares at them.

Radiant Garden, Ven runs past the two guardsmen. Ven: “Leave him to me!” Eleaus: “Wait!” Dilan: “What can a child do!?”

Radiant Garden, Braig laughs slightly. Braig: “You mean this kid is actually a pretty good keyblade wielder?”

Radiant Garden, Ven seems to have rescued Ienzo. Even: “It seems we owe you thanks.”

Radiant Garden, Lea (Axel’s human) and a boy (Saix’s human, name unknown) are looking at Ven. Boy: “Looks like you’re all ready to do it.” Lea: “Of course, because we’re already friends. Got it memorized?”

Radiant Garden, the air is tense around Terra, Ven and Aqua. Aqua: “I thought it when I saw you leave for other worlds. I thought you are getting too close to the darkness.” Ven: “Aqua, what are you saying!? Terra wouldn’t...” Terra: “So you’ve been watching me...” Ven looks surprised, Aqua looks serious.

Birth by sleep Secret Movie, Aqua is glaring at someone, and Ven is covered in ice though he hasn’t given up yet. “The bond of our hearts isn’t something that can be broken so easily by someone like you!”

Land of Departure, Eraqus is pointing his keyblade at someone. “You shouldn’t exist!”

Battle, Minigame, Multiplayer Style Change “Wing Blade” “Ice Blast” Shoot Lock “Ultima Cannon” “Multi Vortex” D-LINK “Donald” Command Board “100 Acre Wood” “Disney Town” “Land of Departure” Land of Departure special move “Keyblade Ride”, allows you to move where you want. Etc.

Narration and scenes from the BbS secret movie.

DiZ: “The world has been almost been swallowed by darkness many times, but always a keyblade wielding boy has come to save it.” - Land of Departure is swallowed in darkness, Terra looks up at it. - Place unknown, Xehanort vs. Terra? Xehanort: “You won’t be able to Ventus or Aqua!” Terra: “I won’t forgive for this Xehanort!” Xehanort: “Yes, let anger fill your heart with darkness!” As Xehanort says, Terra starts pulsating with a dark aura.

DiZ: “Perhaps if it is him... the boy who can connect his heart with anyone...” - Sora watching falling stars. - On Destiny Island (?) a baby Ven is wrapped in white cloth and looks towards the sky. - Aqua stands in front of Castle Oblivion. - Vanitas stabs his keyblade into a fallen Aqua. - Unknown place. Aqua is pointing her keyblade at someone. Aqua: “My name is Master Aqua. And you will return my friend’s heart!”

DiZ: “Then he will be able to open the door and save those unhappy souls.” - Ven glares at someone. He is synchronizing with that “someone” [what? I don’t really understand what this means... maybe it needs to be seen.] - Aqua stands in a world of darkness and cries. - Terra stabs his keyblade into the wasteland. - A place that looks like Dive to Heart, Ven stands on the stained glass and yells. Ven: “Our connected hearts are my power!”

DiZ: “His name is...” - On Destiny Island, Sora stares at the sunset (wearing his clothes from KHII) --> No. No no no. It should be obvious from the text that it's not informative yet. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:32, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Concerning Xemwath
Why did you banned xemwath? xem said xem whould stop.--Zach 07:39, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts TCG
This should brighten up your day, and make up for getting the ReCoM cards in late: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YII9UIXD --NeutraVega 06:21, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

No game guide = no editing.
You wrote "This also means using the guide, to get the full info. Don't base it off of game observations."

Does this mean that i can't contribute to this wikia if i don't have a game guide??

--MoltenAsh 15:40, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it means that the stats listed in the guide are what the infoboxes are based on. You can't obtain accurate stats for synthesis drops just by fooling around with the game, which should be obvious. There is also way more to do than the stat infoboxes. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:00, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

I never filled in the drop rate of synthesis items in any infobox. I do understand that you need the guide to know those exact numbers. The only thing i did was fill in which heartless drops which item in which mission. I don't think you need the guide for that, please correct me if I'm wrong. Btw, typing works very slow right now, can I solve that?? MoltenAsh 20:30, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's what I'm trying to say to you:
 * First and foremost, turn off your Rich Text Editor in your preferences.
 * Look at Range Tech, or, look at Blazing. That is what the sections should look like. Alphabetical, with percentages, and the missions listed as refs. The only way to get all of this info is to use the guide - without it, you're just throwing names up there that I'll have to reformat, check, and correct. Without the guide, there is so little that you can correctly do that it basically makes it useless to work on those types of sections. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:44, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Hang on, my rich text editor is turned off :s And sorry, I thought with guide you meant the game guide that comes with the game. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the help ::D
 * Oh, I thought ReCom was the only one that had swing speed. Serves me right. N/A, I guess? Glorious  CHAOS!  20:44, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

About Chernabog...
This is difficult, and especially weird to word...but "Chernabog" is not "black god" in Slavic. That'd be "Crni Bog". "Chern" is....aherm...how do I put this... =_= It's a Rakija distiller. =/ You know...moonshining apparatus. And Rakija is....a very, very potent kind of booze - the kind that gets you shitfaced in like 2-3 shots. So uh...now that you know that...um...use the knowledge to the best advantage for the article. ...However that works out...--NeutraVega 03:53, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * From what I understand, the translation is copied form Chernobog. If that's wrong, they would be the ones to correct. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:49, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Hi There

 * It looks fine. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:32, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Keyblade sprites
Oblivion and Oathkeeper only look nice and big and detailed because the game resizes them to normal Keyblade size or something...You'll notice the rest of the Keyblade sprites are similarly sized. As for other weapons, they're probably not there because they're 3D objects/I found them too hard to reconstruct back when I was blowing through a sprite rip of Days weapons.—Urutapu 00:25, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Annoyed Complaint

 * 1)
 * 2)

No spoilers?
So the new game's spoilers are going to be kept off of the wiki until the North American or European release of Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep? -- 23:49, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know if there's been actual discussion, but it was requested that I lock the main pages to prevent inordinate, messy information. Personally, as long as they use a spoiler template, base it on full information (not blurbs or screenshots), and aren't doing it inappropriately or maliciously, I'm fine with whatever is posted. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:54, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually would prefer that we leave the spoilers off of the articles, in the way that you have done by locking the related articles. The spread of spoilers is already causing issues on the IRC Channel, and I'd rather not have those same issues brought to the wiki. Plus, several users wish to remain unspoiled, myself included. If a user really wants to know what happens in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, they have several other resources to look to, such as the KHInsider Forums, a Japanese KHWiki, or several other resources that are across the Internet. -- 23:58, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then, especially because of translation issues, I would say that the information should be kept off unless it can be sourced to an accurate translation, and story information should be kept off until the English release. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:07, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, especially because of translations. With Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, changing the names of weapons and panels was a mess. That should definitely be prevented from happening again. To make this official, would you please add this to the site notice? Thanks! -- 00:10, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Thanks for adding that, but could you remove the bit about the spoiler and spoilerend templates being used in conjunction with spoilers? Spoilers should just be delayed altogether until the release of an English localization. -- 00:26, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

KH BbS NA Release Date Announced
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep

May 15 2010 --69.236.175.165 02:19, January 9, 2010 (UTC) Anonymous User

Do you have a source other than Wikipedia? Cause Wikipedia alone isn't reliable HarpieSiren 02:52, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I Found The Opening For KHBbS. I'm Pretty Sure its real. Can U put it on the BbS page?
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bZRCaUx1Aso&hl=en_US&fs=1&"> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"> <param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bZRCaUx1Aso&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344">

--69.236.175.165 02:22, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous User
 * No. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:05, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

RE:goodbye?

 * Spoiler break, I've had this planned. I was initially elated in our previous conversation today that Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep's spoilers would remain off of the wiki until its North American or European release, but that has since changed. It pains me to go, but there's no other choice for me to remain spoiler-free. -- 02:51, January 9, 2010 (UTC)