Talk:Avatar Menu/Archive 1

What is this?
¿What is this? --Lukethehedgehog 13:17, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

It's a list of Avatar parts for Kingdom Hearts Re:coded. In case you didn't know, you can make avatars in Kingdom hearts Re:coded and use it for online interactions. 13:25, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Images




...why doesn't someone just ask Shard or IZerox? 22:23, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope it's possible to get the images directly out of the game files, that would be a lot less work. But browsing through the game files is not very easy: meaningless names, decrypting and unpacking every single file, problems with viewing the result. If everything goes well I should have some results this weekend. --ShardofTruth 21:33, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I found them and it's still a nightmare because every single picture is packed like three times and is splitted in three different pallets (color, graphic and cell) which has to be combinend and after all that still to be cutted.
 * Before I'm going to upload all this images, I have two questions:
 * Is the order, how the items are listed here the same, as the one in the Ultimania?
 * Should there be a standard image size (e.g. 64x64 px) because some images are really small. --ShardofTruth 11:25, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe so, but I can check the image names after you upload them if you want.
 * Yes, a standard size would be good. I think Warrior of Light is the tallest, off the top of my head. 15:18, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay here the deal: I will make two version of every image. One that can displayed here in some sort of gallery without a problem and one where every image has the same size, so it's actually possible to play the whole dress up thing without the game. Maybe we could implement the second version in some sort of a very difficult tabber, but I don't think Wikia can do overlaying of images. --ShardofTruth 16:26, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

What do we want the background to look like? I was think black or just floating in the air. Not a white background. The floating in the air wouldn't have a white background if you put the image over the cover. Like File:DaysNamine.png
 * No. No no no no no. Transparent backgrounds. 19:21, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. Anyway, I have saved those images onto my flash drive so I will be able to cut them from the pictures.
 * Well I manage to get 30 images so far so from the Ultimaina and the sizes for them are not that small. hmm UnknownChaser 20:11, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't want the ultimania images, though, since the gamerips will be much higher quality. 20:53, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Avatars
...this is going to be difficult... 22:50, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
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Parts
Scars,Etc.

Snooty Stache - PumpkNRydr Find the Queen of Hearts 3 times.

Hair

French Twist: Silver - PumpkNRyder Twisty floor Don't Jump too much!

Pageboy: Gold - 10derMemry Find the Avatar's Buddy

Fuu's Hair - One♪Wonder Sparkly Floor Defeat the Heartless

???

Formal Dress - PumpkNRyder Twisty Floor Don't Jump too much!

Blizzara Lv.4 - BoyNexDoor Find Queen Minnie 1 time.

Ice Sweep - One♪Wonder Find Cid 1 time.

Items

Shadow Dawg Buddy - 10derMemry Breezy Floor Healing is for noobs

Sports Bag - BoyNexDoor Bumby Floor Bash as many Blox as you can!

Strategy: Go to Nintendo Channel, DS demo downloads, and activate tag mode as the demo (any demo will do, the idea is that the Wii is pretending to be a DS so it can transfer demo's) is transmitting. You should recieve scratch card and sector floor, exit, rinse and repeat until you have 100 floors.

Note for the message above
Please add to this! When we have our images we will post these.

Info Table
So the 908 images are ready and I would like to upload one part type after another. But there are still some questions regarding the table. Some but not all Japanese names can be found here. Anyway I will always compare to the Ultimania scan, where the parts have the same order as found in the game. There are two columns though, I can't make any sense of. The "genre" (ジｬンル) and the one after that. What do they describe and is it important? Also I don't think we won't need to fill out some info on obtaining the pieces, because all but 8 of them are given by chance, with the first avatar has some connection to the player's name as far as I understand.

The non random parts are:
 * King Mickey's Hair - Get 2 trophies
 * King Mickey A's Shoes - Get 5 trophies
 * King Mickey A Outfit - Get 8 trophies
 * King Mickey's Tail - Get 12 trophies
 * King Mickey's Gloves - Get 16 trophies
 * King Mickey B's Shoes - Get 20 trophies
 * King Mickey B Outfit - Get 25 trophies
 * King Mickey Ears - Get 30 trophies

That's an example of what it could look like:

Buddies
Without the number this will get very confusing, so I will also put them in the filenames (like "Buddy-9-Bat Buddy XIII.png"). The colored background is needed because some parts are nearly pure white and wouldn't be recognized on the normal background. Oh, another thing: All Avatar parts are more pixelated than their mobile counterparts and I won't smooth any edge because that would hurt the art style.

So what do you think?--ShardofTruth 22:38, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've also been getting King Mickey A parts for 2, 5, 8, and 12 trophies.
 * If there's not an official description like with the Mobile items, then it probably isn't worth it to have the description column. Would it be easier on you to use this template? Or, would it do better to just have thin tables (2 columns, number+name and image), arranged in extratabular columns?
 * As for obtaining, I think that it would be best to just cover the few definite ones in prose, and summarize how to get all the others.
 * The file naming sounds fine. Don't worry about adding the nihongo to the table, unless you can do it easily - I'll clean up anything left behind.
 * Also, for the sake of my own sanity, please tell me that there is a Trickmaster costume somewhere. I'm going to have to hurt Nomura if he left the one direct coded/Mobile link out of the coded/Mobile mashup. 00:52, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to inform you that your sanity is saved. Nomura was kindly enough to put in the costume ingame^^
 * I used the Mobile template to create something like this:


 * This look really neat but the problem are the names that will strech every box to a different size which will look not so good if it's done 908 times on one page.
 * I'm not really sure what you mean with extratabular columns, something like this?

--ShardofTruth 22:41, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

I meant having thin tables surrounded by the col-start, col-break, col-end tags. 00:06, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, that doesn't like that great too.

But I suck at making tables, maybe you could put some good coding in there. --ShardofTruth 22:49, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

The problem there is that the height of the columns would have to be made constant. We could either have multiple blank lines in one of the text cells (suggest number), or if you have created the images with constant backgrounds, that would work too. 20:19, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Adding nihongo
Can we basically just take the nihongo straight from the Ultimania? -- 21:21, 10 February 2011 (EST)
 * Go ahead. I tried to put as much as I could on there in my last edit (before the anon started adding the dubs). 21:30, 10 February 2011 (EST)

Kryten, can you get the nihongo for the Geisha wig? -- 01:04, 11 February 2011 (EST)

I could swear I already had, but it is 和装カツラ (Wasou Katsura - Japanese Wig). 12:14, 17 February 2011 (EST)


 * You sure? The second kanji looks different... -- 15:50, 7 March 2011 (EST)

Ensembles
It should be mentioned that Ensembles are merely shortcuts to set of parts, and not something you actually obtain through play. 12:12, 17 February 2011 (EST)

How to obtain
Can someone please add an "how to obtain" thing to tell people how to unlock them?  ~Arch light 10:45, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * You start off with several parts (which?) by default.
 * You get an Avatar Part for clearing the challenge on the non-decim floors of the Avatar Sector. Initially, you get any parts the avatar has that you do not. Once you get all of their parts, the reward becomes random.
 * You can get Avatar Parts for clearing the Character Hunts on Scratch Cards (check; I've never gotten them from Bonus Hunts). This part is totally random, and you may already have it.
 * You get the King Mickey A and King Mickey B pieces by collecting trophies. (2, 5, 8, 12, 16, 20, 25, 30, I think)

That's it, right? 14:49, 24 February 2011 (EST)

Avatar Sector
I didn't keep track of which ones dropped which parts, so it would be somewhat difficult to recreate these, but there are 50 default avatars, as shown here. The floor challenge, number of trophies (look especially at the Organization trophy amounts), name, and quote are all references to the avatar. The last nine (first nine in the album) and UrTrueSelf were the ones that were generated randomly (as you can tell by them all having Goofy's mouth for some reason), and were obtained through long waiting, not the Wii trick. 00:20, 16 February 2011 (EST)


 * Randomized avatars (trophy, challenge, and floor are random also):
 * UrTrueSelf: Reunited at last, eh?
 * AlwaysLTTP: And often not invited...
 * The 1nk1ing: Did I jog your memory?
 * UsualNon¢s: Penny for yer thoughts?
 * UR<3sDzire: And now, I can be yours.
 * DistantVOX: HELLO? (OH-Oh-oh...)
 * Don'tASCII: It's a SCSI story anyway.
 * BigBrudda: 'Sup, bro? Need a hand?
 * TwixtTween: Always stuck in da middle.
 * Could_B_U: See the resemblance?
 * The""One: I dunno why you "" me.
 * ORLY_YARLY: Will my life have meaning?
 * 10derMemry: It's great to be a kid.
 * A1ternateU: Always just a step away...
 * NotTe11ing: ...Unless you ask nicely.
 * FlyOnDWall: The real bug in this tale!
 * Masker8dr: No one knows my REAL name.
 * No1UKnow: So let's keep it that way.
 * LivNLegacy: Oh. You're not gone yet?
 * ∞Lives: I totally 1-upped you.
 * Miracle2Go: May I take your order?
 * (>_<)/RAGE: Back off! I'm angsty!
 * PureRandom: Nothin' to see, folks!
 * Sdrawkcab: Ereh sedoc terces on!
 * U.Know.Who: Don't pretend you don't.
 * UnsungHero: No one ever sings for me.
 * P00rPuppet: Always being strung along.
 * UrPastLife: You're me but I ain't you.
 * Pure^_^Joy: With plenty to go around.
 * Omigoddess: I'm, like, a divine ditz!
 * ROFLCopter: Hey, do you LOLerskate?
 * MeIfIWereU: Chew on that. Deep, huh?
 * WhatUWere: No escaping your past!
 * PassNDream: Enjoy me while I last.
 * TheOne4U: U is the best letter EVER.
 * Sh8pShiftR: I'm really a triangle.
 * Un4Gettabl: It's my memorable face.
 * $$$Grubber: Munny is mah hunny.
 * HeyIKnowU: Long time no see!
 * 1WhoGetsIt: Shh! No more words.
 * 2Good2BTru: And too true to be good.
 * ★fromAfar: SALUTATIONS, EARTHLING.
 * LongLostM8: Err, formerly lost...
 * Dude!ItsMe: Y'know? From the thing?
 * A♭OutLie: Don't believe a word o' me!
 * OozinCharm: Grab a mop. OC's in town!
 * ShadyNomad: I don't like the sun, OK?
 * TimeTravlR: The 21st century? Retro!
 * TuffCookie: Known fears: Milk-dunking.
 * Ninja(shh): You did not see me.

If anyone gets any others, please add them to this list, with the name, quote, and a screenshot for evidence. 11:39, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Rare Scratch Card
Does somebody know why Scratch Cards with the worlds "Dive to Heart", "100 Acre Wood", "Disney Town" or "Hollow Bastion" are considered rare? I can't remember if the prizes were more special than the ones of the normal cards. --ShardofTruth 11:01, 28 February 2011 (EST)
 * I've only gotten 100 Acre Wood once, and none of the others, so I can't really say too much (are you sure it's Disney Town?), but it didn't have any special cards on it at all, and the prizes were pretty bleh. 13:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)
 * Here is a overview of the background arts and a collection of the persons I encountered here:
 * http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9348/allscratchcards.png
 * Sadly I had Olympus Coliseum only one time and somehow forgot to get a better image. By the way, itsn't it strange that although 100 Acre Wood is declared a rare Scratch Card by the game it doesn't have the rare logo? --ShardofTruth 16:53, 28 February 2011 (EST)
 * That's...awesome! How the hell do you get those?! Also, it looks like it renamed the ice creams, for whatever reason. 17:26, 28 February 2011 (EST)

Chestnut ice cream: http://img34.imageshack.us/i/chestnuticecream.png/ Sundae: http://img43.imageshack.us/i/sundae.png/ Fizz ice cream: http://img832.imageshack.us/i/fizzicecream.png/

Enemy gallery

 * Regular enemies
 * Floor: Light - Mid - Heavy
 * 0s: Shadow - Soldier - Large Body
 * 10s: Red Nocturne - Blue Rhapsody - Large Body
 * 20s: Bandit - Air Soldier - Fat Bandit
 * 30s: Bandit - Darkball - Invisible
 * 40s: Blue Rhapsody - Soldier - Defender
 * 50s: Bandit - Darkball - Large Body
 * 60s: Red Nocturne - Air Soldier - Angel Star
 * 70s: Blue Rhapsody - Air Soldier - Invisible
 * 80s: Bandit - Wizard - Wyvern
 * 90s: Bandit - Wizard - Invisible
 * 10: bugged Shadows
 * 20: bugged Core Blox
 * 30: bugged Bandits
 * 40: bugged Invisible, Shadows
 * 50: bugged Core Blox
 * 60: bugged Blox Bug
 * 70: bugged Shadows
 * 80: bugged Wyverns (mid and heavy), Bandits, Wyverns
 * 90: bugged Core Bloxes
 * 100: Data-Riku

total enemy list:
 * Shadow, Soldier, Large Body, Red Nocturne, Blue Rhapsody, Bandit, Air Soldier, Fat Bandit, Darkball, Invisible, Defender, Angel Star, Wizard, Wyvern, Core Blox, Blox Bug, Data-Riku

total bugged list:
 * Soldier, Large Body, Blue Rhapsody, Air Soldier, Fat Bandit, Darkball, Invisible, Defender, Angel Star, Wizard, Wyvern
 * Shadow, Core Blox, Bandit, Invisible, Blox Bug, Wyvern, Data-Riku

Default parts
I'm thinking of listing all the parts you start with - most of them seem to be unrandom, though I'll need somebody to compare their starting list to mine when I get them listed. 02:17, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
 * I assume that all the starting parts always complete an essemble, but restarting the game until the Avatar Menu pops up always results in "Sora (Master Form)" for me. Possible some other factors determine the starting essemble like the date, the name or how long the game was played before entering Avatar Mode the first time. On my original playthrough "Seifer" was my first avatar. --ShardofTruth 17:48, 12 April 2011 (EDT)
 * I start off with Dissidia Cloud and Warrior of Light, and as far as I can tell, I get basic parts and random FF parts. I'll post a list tonight, if I can get my computer reformatted in time. 20:06, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

My starting parts: Always the same for this file, seems determined at start of file creation.


 * All Bods, Lips, Peepers, All 8 Cowlick A and B, Typical Top, Basic Bottoms, Starter Shoes
 * 1 random ensemble
 * 1 random hair, feature, scars, coat, starter kit, top, bottom, shoe, hat, face/neck, mitt, rear gear, belt(?), item, buddy, bodysuit
 * Me and DTN both got Checkered Sash, so we need someone else to check what they get. It's probably random, though. 01:45, 16 April 2011 (EDT)


 * I am totally helpful. And by "helpful," I mean I can totally copy stuff down and get to the first save point of Re:coded in under four minutes. Separately, of course. -- 00:13, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
 * SorcererNobody said that he got a different belt, so this topic can be archived now. 19:17, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Feeling Lucky
Okay, I still don't know how this works exactly. So I'm collecting evidence here:

There seem to be at least two forms of the stat upgrade.

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5258/luckboost.png

I don't know if the one with the notes is a lesser one or just a different form.

This are the comments on other Avatars I got:
 * That outfit! Ugh, don't make eye contact...
 * Err, can you say "akward"?
 * Hopefully a friendship is in the cards.
 * But...which one of you is cooler?
 * You hate to admit it, but that outfit's the bomb!


 * Have you met before? You're pretty happy!
 * You have alot in common. You're pretty happy!
 * You sort of think alike. You're pretty happy!
 * Seems you two get along. You're pretty happy!

The last ones all contain the "You're pretty happy!" line. My theory is, that after you get a specific amount of this comments in a to be determined time frame, you get a stat boost. The stat boost itself seems to last for a defined playtime or is dependent from real time. I think it's the last, because the boost vanished after two days or so. --ShardofTruth 11:01, 28 February 2011 (EST)

Okay, this is probably totally coincidence, but:

I was farming the fifty special avatars to finish my Avatar Sector, and when I received a Sazh, who had none of the same parts I did, I got the 100 Acre Wood card. Immediately afterward, I had the notes, and each Scratch Card I got afterward had a Mickey or Captain Dark (I already have all 99 puppies). After a few, I got a virus, kept on farming without notes or special cards, then cleared the virus real quick and went back to farming, this time with notes but no special cards. A while later, I got an ILuvDarkness avatar, and got the hearts. I immediately got a Dive to the Heart card, my first "special card" ever, and though I lost it, I kept the hearts, and every scratch card after that had 1-2 special cards (none were empty). However, I accidentally quit out of Tag Mode while receiving a random avatar, and I went to delete it to make sure I had room for all fifty special avatars. However, after doing so I found I had lost the hearts.

So, this is totally a guess, but:
 * The notes and hearts appear to have nothing to do with which parts you and the other guy are wearing.
 * The type of card you get appears to be Luck-based.
 * Either failing to scratch or deleting a floor (not sure which) negates the notes and hearts.

10:12, 8 March 2011 (EST)

That's very confusing. Maybe it's an overall luck based thing, but why does deleting (even if it's not the Avatar you got the notes/hearts from) resets it? Did you check your matrix stats in notes or heart form? --ShardofTruth 12:57, 8 March 2011 (EST)
 * With notes, Luck remains the same, but I didn't have hearts long enough to check that. 13:30, 8 March 2011 (EST)

Okay, here is some information from the Ultimania: The Avatar can gain happiness (ハッピ一度) in the game, the minimum is zero and the limit 100. Once it reaches 50-79 the notes show up, from 80-100 it's the hearts. Various events can change the happiness:

The only thing Happiness affects is a higher chance to get a rare scratch card and if it's beween 80-100 the doubling of the luck stat (which it's colored in green then or yellow if the max luck 28 is reached). The quotes from the Avatars above just reflect how many parts you share with the other Avatar.

There is not much to say about the viruses though, the chance that they occur rises with the number of letters you open. To get rid of them just start a floor or delete the infected one? I don't get the Japanese expalantion: ウイルスへの感染確率は左下のとおりで、メールを多く開封するほど確率が上がる. ウイルスを駆除するには、アバターシステムエリアのいずれかのフロアを開始し、フロア内のバグエネミーを全滅させればいい.

The formula is: basic probability + number of opened letters * 0.5% The basic probability can be 0% or 1%, I don't get the Japanese explanation this time either:

メールの送り主であるフレンドがほかのプレイヤ ーの場合は0%(そのフレンドがウイルス感染中だ った場合は1%)、そうで芯い場合は1%

How Happiness affects the probability to get a a rare scratch card and the appearance of a special character (Puppy, Mickey, Captain Dark):

--ShardofTruth 20:28, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
 * Huh, we weren't that far off. 21:27, 14 April 2011 (EDT)


 * "The virus-infection probabilities are to the left; the probability goes up the more letters you open. To exterminate the virus, you just need to begin any floor in the Avatar Sector, and destroy the Bug Baddies."
 * "When the sender of the mail is another player, the probability is 0% (though if the friend is already infected with a virus, it is 1%), and the basic probability is 1%."

So, there is no chance of infection if you get a balloon letter from another gamecart that has no infection, but if you get a unique/random balloon letter or a friend letter from an infectee, the chance is 1%.


 * I'm going to write up a draft to add this to the page; could you get transparent rips of the noted and hearted statuses, using the default outfits? If you need to make a mocked-up image of it, that should be fine at this point. 21:59, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

Draft

 * Re:clock - does resetting your clock assauge this at all?
 * Does n_letters ever reset or max out? Or will all letters infect you if you get 200 of them?
 * Happiness effects would work best using an image of the default avatar (the mascot for Mobile, using all of the "Saisho" parts), with the three levels (nothing, notes, hearts).
 * What section should this go in? Should it get its own section, since it operates across both Avatar Menu and regular gameplay? 01:10, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

This looks very good and I think it deserves it's own section. The Ultimania speaks very technically about all these things, maybe you find more important information, so I scanned all promissing pages (and left out the obvious ones). You can get them here. --ShardofTruth 17:49, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
 * I don't know, I think the game compares the the date on the used saved game with the system clock and subtracts the points
 * That's a good question, I think the Ultimania doesn't mention that. Maybe n_letters resets after you get rid of the virus?


 * p323: summary of the menu buttons, and how to save.
 * p325: Summary of how to get parts (Floor Trials, Scratch Cards, Completing Ensembles(??need to check??), King Mickey parts through trophies)
 * It also lists the starting parts - Body, Eye, and Mouth parts, the Saisho parts, 1 Ensemble that isn't King Mickey A or B, and some "Name Parts" (??need to check??)
 * The bottom section almost seems as if the type of part you get corresponds to the floor trial or how well you do?
 * p326: summary of tag mode, and what you can add to it. It turns out that the comment that friend avatar's give is taken from the DS's own signature.
 * some stuff in a box that doesn't look important - includes "only 3 letters at a time", etc.
 * p327 - bwahah, the "Wii Trick" is official. "This Game" - "Other player", "Nintendo DS other than this game or DS communication station" - "Fixed Friend (固定 Furendo)", "Nothing" - "Random Friend"
 * There is an asterisk to this, but it's kind of hard to read.
 * p328 - "Character Hunt" and "Bonus Hunt" are called "Kingdom Scratch", "Bonus Scratch", and "Avatar Scratch" (for Buddies)
 * I feel like I should translate the note above the Minnie icon, but I really doubt it says that much.
 * Puppy (Koinu) - get 99 for D-Firaga
 * Captain Dark - see all panels for 1.5 s
 * Mickey - Get 1-3 extra Scratch Chances
 * p329 - well shit, apparently each card gives you set prizes. Basically, each type of hunt on each type of card can give you a certain genre of command at a certain level (with the commands in that genre changing as you progress through the chapters), or a certain class of avatar part. Shite, we'll have to translate all that.
 * p335 - ...shite, this too. It lists the enemies per 10 floors (which we knew), but also what the Prize Blox in that range drop.
 * The bottom table gives details about each Floor Code - the types of rooms, the number of rooms, the number of bugged rooms, the number of trap and prize blox, the color of bug enemies, and the chances of seeing a gold tricholomo or eliminator. (Gold Tricholomas are by far the most coomon in the Kirakira rooms, and Eliminators in the Gangan rooms). That information should possibly be ported to the enemy articles, but do we really want to cover it here? None of the rest of it is really that important.
 * p336: Lists the challenge quotes, their descriptions, and the tenth floor challenge data. (we have all this already).
 * p337: Lists the SP prizes, and summat about viruses.

The most important info I see (that we're missing) is the Scratch Card prizes, the Floor Code descriptions, and the Prize Blox prizes. I doubt the bit about "Scratched Panels" is going to tell us how to always win, but the asterisk under "Random Friends" should be worthwhile. I don't see anything that answers my questions above, though.

I do have to say that, if anyone here can easily type Japanese, that would make translation much easier on me. I can't do that with my PC, so I have to go through a dictionary for each letter, copy-paste. Anyway. 20:51, 15 April 2011 (EDT)