Talk:Kingdom Hearts III

Shouldn't this be a page? I though Nomura confirmed that KH3 is going to be developed but not in the near future. 20:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What would we put in the page? we know absolutely nothing about it-- 21:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought AFTER posting here. But nevertheless it should be a page after KH3D releases (expect this page to be a year old <_< Stupid Nomura releasing Japanese before English.) 21:57, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Xbox One
source TheSilentHero (talk) 17:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)I actually found out that source is wrong because at E3 it was revealed that sony got exclusive rights to kh3 so that source isn't to be trusted

Just look at the official Kingdom Hearts III site. They list Xbox One as platform. Sum2k3 (talk) 19:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/KingdomHearts/posts/10151422105455841
KINGDOM HEARTS III features a mature Sora as the main protagonist who sets forth on an adventure with Mickey, Donald and Goofy through new and legendary Disney worlds.

From the official KH facebook, enough to start covering on individual pages. 00:27, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Fun Note
This is what he means. 20:42, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Trailer
How do we know that the "Pirate Ship" is actually a summon? It doesn't look much like a summon to me: when I first saw it I thought it was an area or world. 12:30, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a blue bar that decreases in the bottom left corner. 12:38, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If you look closely, you can tell they are still in Tram Common. I'm not sure I would call it a summon, though. That's like saying that ThunderBolt in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep is a summon because it has a gauge, too. I would just leave it as a "command-style-like" attack, even state it as "summon-like attack", but not straight-out declare it as a summon. 02:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * See, the issue with your argument is that it can be refuted as a command style just gives extra additions to normal combat and doesn't outright replace your commands with others as such with summons or summon-like systems. Plus in command styles, when you attack, the gauge increase, in the trailer, it does not. 09:13, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Although I do agree with saying something like 'resembling a summon'. 15:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's at least a summoned thing, if not a Summon. 15:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Attraction Flow
Either way, I don't think such a tidbit is noteworthy on this article, but rather the complete Attraction Flow article that will inevitably be created.-- Xion 4  ever  23:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Story restructuring per trailer
Okay, so we all know that trailers can't be used to inform the plot synopses. However, stuff like Xehanort appearing in LoD at an apparently younger age than he was at DI when his Heartless came to him leads us to at least some plot restructuring. I'm not sure if we've discussed this before, so I'm thinking: Thoughts? 20:29, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) If our current plot synopses appear to contradict what the trailers seem to indicate, examine them to ensure that any assumptions they make are directly supported by the canon. For example, if KH3D doesn't say that Xehanort hadn't left his home before his Heartless came, then we shouldn't either.
 * 2) I feel like we should have some sort of Ansem's Computer sandbox for plot/topic write-ups that can't yet be posted to the mainspace due to their finalized canonicity being in flux. That way, people can add information about the stuff that's hyping them, but we're not getting into another 2.5-Taunt or Days-Wind Maker scenario.


 * Definitely let's do a forum. Maybe even two, one in Ansem's Computer for write-ups, and a more free-form one (Twilight Town Library? World that Never Was?) for general notes and observations. -- 20:45, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with that, too. We're going to have to add the info sooner or later, so a rough draft/write-ups are a good idea. That anonymous user you messaged earlier today was restructuring the story with info from the trailer again on other articles, and I'm pretty sure others will attempt to do the same thing in the following days. I wish fans can understand that we want to add these info, too, but because of past experiences (BBS), we've learned our lesson about adding info based on trailers alone. We might need to resort on protecting pages, too. I don't think that'll happen, but just throwing that out there.-- 03:54, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * A site notice would be a good idea, too. Something like "As Kingdom Hearts III is still unreleased, it is not yet considered valid for inclusion in the main articles. Please add any suggested improvements based on the released promotional material to XXXX." 13:50, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that'd be good, but whether people choose to read and listen to that notice isn't guarantee. People outside the wiki think we're stuck-up idiots and/or being paranoid for doing stuff like this, so they just disregard us. That anonymous user, for example. Well, I'm all for it, anyway! :) If worst comes to shove, we can protect the pages.-- 20:03, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Big Hero 6 World Stuff
Just so we have it on record, it was stated at D23 that the world's story will take place after the events of the film. The Heartless gain control over the Baymax that Hiro leaves behind in the portal; Sora rides the new Baymax and faces him above San Fransokyo, according to the following concept art:

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/TheFinalFantasyXD/Screen%20Shot%202015-08-16%20at%202.28.40%20PM_zpsznblggcz.png I wasn't sure if we wanted this artwork on the Wiki or not, so I'll just post it here for now… - 18:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

It's better to wait a better artwork. Hopefully, they'll release it soon.-- 01:39, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hence I didn't upload the image and only linked to Photobucket. I hope they release it too. - 01:57, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

KHIII keyblades pages
So, should we have a page for some of the new, as yet unnamed keyblades that we've seen in the trailers? After all, we have a page for Lea's Keyblade and the Combined Keyblade, though both are unnamed and little is written in either page.Deu6machina (talk) 21:24, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Unless we have more information beyond the design and the fact that they are unnamed, I doubt we'd be allowed to do so without getting egg on our faces. TRS NX  22:02, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * We have seen the full transformation attack for Sora's new keyblade as well as the new Olympus (presumably) keyblade. I'd say that that, plus design and out of universe history (i.e. when they were revealed) is enough for a short article.Deu6machina (talk) 22:21, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It would be a short article indeed. We'd barely be able to eke out a sentence, I think we can wait. Images are good, though. 02:21, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * We are waiting with creating articles about KHIII things until we actually know things about them (And we don't count trailers as reliable sources). But if you want to, you can create a draft for the pages in your userspace, and we can move them to mainspace later. 09:38, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Unnamed Heartless
https://twitter.com/ToominatorKH13/status/742795395558842369 - some kind of bats

Release Date
So do you think early 2018 or late 2018? 19:33, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I still say late 2017. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 04:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Late 2035, after the last PS4 has been melted down for oxygen tanks. 13:41, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Gigas
So, in the new trailer, there's a banner in the Galaxy Toys with a picture of one of the rideable robots, and it has the name Gigas. At 4:17, there's an entire section on the store dedicated to him, and with his name written in big letters, and at 4:45 you can see the banner for some seconds. So, the blue robot is named Gigas. Is that enough to start an article? 16:08, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Gonna go ahead and say no because we really don't know that much about it to the point where there's not enough info to warrant an article. Maybe a brief mention on the game page for now. 17:13, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not mentioned by the authors, so it's possible that it is a visual background effect that will be refined. 22:24, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

San Fransokyo and new world
Nomura confirmed the BH6 world is called San Fransokyo and the world where Eraqus and Xehanort are talking is not Departure Land but a new world. Here the confirmation. -Not Departure Land: Here the refered part: The world where Young Eraqus and Xehanort is an original world. Also he mentions that KH3 will have less Disney worlds than KH2 in numbers, but they will be richer and more playable.

Scource: http://kh13.com/#ixzz4nI4cQPVG

-San Fransokyo: https://www.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-3/frequently-asked-questions So far Mysterious Tower, Twilight Town, and Olympus Colisum are set to return, with the latter expanded out of the coliseum and into Mount Olympus. New worlds to the series include the Kingdom of Corona (Tangled), San Fransokyo (Big Hero 6), and a world based on Toy Story!--93.150.193.86 15:14, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, it does seem like Tetsuya Nomura did confirm that Land of Departure is not the world Xehanort and Eraqus are in in that earlier trailer. However, KHInsider's own FAQ page isn't an official source for Kingdom Hearts news, so that source doesn't count for citing anything here. We only take in official materials such as interviews, trailers, and information straight from Square Enix. 16:10, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok, I thinked the name was confirmed :S--93.150.193.86 17:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I would like to see the original Japanese for the line calling it "an original world", because that could be interpreted as "new to KH3" or "not a Disney or FF world". 19:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I read the interview and they explicitly ask if it's "new", so yeah. "Unnamed World" it is, with a cite to the interview.73.102.84.240 17:37, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Videos
At what point do we generally split videos into their own page? I'm thinking we're at that point with this article. 00:51, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Do we have any pages about trailers? I don't think we would make a separate page, we would just remove the videos from the page when it gets too many. SeanWheeler (talk) 20:16, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I think he's referring to Videospace pages (e.g. Video:Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance). I'm of the opinion that either we wait until the game is released to do it, or if we don't care about waiting that long then just spinning the videos off to a new page right now. 20:27, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Videos are normally kept until the game released, once the game is out, the trailers are move to the Video:Kingdom Hearts III namespace 20:29, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Only five titles in the video namespace? I'd say we create the Video:Kingdom Hearts III page now and find trailers for the other games so that they can get video pages. Otherwise, it just looks like a waste of a namespace. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:41, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

"Aliens" name
the name of the Toy Story aliens isn't "aliens". most merchandise, as well as the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command cartoon, point to their names being the "Little Green Men" some sources/examples: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/41/35/cb/4135cb3f6cc5cb1c74b56743c6ac3eda.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE1NlgxMjQw/z/Zh0AAOSwC~dZvaVh/$_58.JPG http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/blosc/images/8/8e/Coverstory_08.png

Thanks for pointing that out. Typically, they also known as "Squeeze Toy Aliens", but perhaps "Little Green Men" would be better since that's what they're know in the cartoon series and is the name most fans would be familiar with.-- 22:56, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Aliens, Little Green Men, Squeeze Toy Aliens, it probably wouldn't matter until we read about them in Jiminy's Journal when Kingdom Hearts III is released. SeanWheeler (talk) 04:36, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * True, but it's simply a placeholder for now. Might as well use the official terms for them in the meantime.-- 23:18, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah. We can call them that in the page if we want. Some people might think of the Army Men as "little green men" but that phrase was almost always a reference to aliens. SeanWheeler (talk) 01:05, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

KH3 Premiere Event
A lot of new stuff revealed today.
 * Toy Story world called "Toy Box".
 * Wreck-it-Ralph as a Link Summon.
 * Ever After, Infinity Badge and Smile Gear are the official names for the Tangled, Toy Story and Monsters Inc. Keyblades.
 * Link Summon Attacks are Lagoon Showtime for Ariel and 8-Bit Blast for Wreck-it Ralph. Kingdom210 (talk) 18:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * In the leaked cut scenes, the little green men are referred to as the Aliens. There's no other current publicly-known reference to them. Hamm and Rex are explicitly referred to by those names in the cut scenes, too. Olympus Coliseum is currently referred to simply as Olympus, and the mini games in the Famitsu interview are collectively referred to as CLASSIC KINGDOM (currently all caps). Don't know if you guys want to add all that, but there's the info. 19:21, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Voice Actors
Here's what we know on the voice actors so far
 * Woody - Toshiaki Karasawa (JPN)/Jim Hanks (ENG)
 * Buzz - George Tokoro (JPN)/???
 * Hamm - ???/John Ratzenberger (ENG)
 * Rex - Yuji Mitsuya (JPN)/Wallace Shawn (ENG)
 * Mike - Yuji Tanaka (JPN)/Carlos Alazraqui (ENG)
 * Sulley - Hidehiko Ishizuka (JPN)/Christopher Swindle (ENG) 1st Time Kingdom210 (talk) 18:52, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on? 00:14, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

The Japanese voices from the D23 2017 and 2018 Japan Expo Trailers, Woody, Rex and Hamm's English voices from the Gamespot video before they removed it, and Mike and Sulley's English voices from the press release. Kingdom210 (talk) 18:52, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * These voices are actually listed in text? 01:19, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If you think about it and listen to the voices from the Japanese dubs and video games, you can recognize the vocal work.

Here's some links to give you an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViDP5wHi6_0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hanks, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE6ToYaICxY Kingdom210 (talk) 18:52, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, so if you're going off of what they sound like, that's emphatically against the wiki's policies (and before anybody starts going "but it's obvious!", we've had people say that before and then it turned out they were wrong. The consensus was to play it safe, even when guesses turn out to be correct). We're going to have to wait for something better than that. 11:58, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * http://press.na.square-enix.com/releases/1182/celebrities-and-industry-vips-among-the-first-to-play-in-the-kingdom-h
 * Bill Farmer (Goofy)
 * Tony Anselmo (Donald Duck)
 * Carlos Alazraqui (Mike Wazowski)
 * Christopher Swindle (Sulley)

Logos for Toybox, Monster's Inc, Frozen, and Pirates, as well as Kairi's KH3 render
https://twitter.com/thegamersjoint/status/1006373802861780998 - logos https://twitter.com/blockwonkel/status/1006370784242266113 - Kairi

Found here BuddyFaith (talk) 03:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Since it's about that time, just a reminder to folks uploading KH3 images: Confirmed/reputable sources; no watermarks; PROPERLY name and categorize each file you upload (if there is a question on this, ask me/a staff member, see our Media policy, see the KH3 image category); and fill out the template you see on the upload screen. Thank you! *goes back to fangirling over KH3* 03:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

More stuff on the official SENA press centre.  Ultima Spark   (talk)  03:46, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, so far, I've had the energy today to upload all the images that were already transparent from the Japanese KH site, including world logos. I'm not very good at removing the white space from the rest of the official press assets (the white isn't just deleting as easily as I'd like it to), so someone will need to do that, or we can wait till KHInsider inevitably does it themselves (probably by noon tomorrow). 06:19, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also as I am not an uploader, the two additional videos from E3 still need to be uploaded, the Showcase trailer and the Pirates of the Caribbean trailer and the renders of Sora, Donald and Goofy from the Caribbean world in their pirate clothes. -Adv193 (talk) 10:14, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Took care of linking the videos, but they still need their summaries. In regards to all these screenshots, mainly cutscenes, I'm not opposed to uploading them now, but that will create additional renaming work later. They could live in the unused images category or in the mainspace galleries. Proper name would be "File:Content E3 2018 Trailer ##.png?" Thoughts on that? EDIT: Also, keep in mind that images taken from official websites will have watermarks, which is against our image policy. 13:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft links
So, we now have draft pages for the new KH3 articles. But do we want to link to those on this page and the KH3 template, or keep the red link to the future page. And on the draft pages, should there be links to the other draft pages, or also red links to the future pages? Having the draft links would lower the amount of red links, and direct people to the drafts, but people might see them as the official page, and the reason we're doing the drafts is so we can create pages that aren't official yet. 16:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * We wouldn't need to be discussing this in the first place if we just got rid of the concept of drafts for literally everything on the basis that there's a 0.0001 chance Rapunzel and Elsa will be removed in the game, or perhaps there may be a Heartless removed in a world due to an inaccuracy between a trailer and the final release of the game. I don't know any other wiki that takes this idea to such extremism. No offense, while I appreciate your contribs to the wiki, I still think drafts are a silly idea. This is a fan wiki. Nothing of anything on here is technically official. If you go to KH Wiki and think it's all official and not a group of fans trying to do their best, then you're a lost cause. No one's going to hold anything against us. We're trying to be so hard to be technically correct that it's doing us damage in my opinion. We should get rid of drafts and just use Template:Unreleased everywhere. Also, I don't see a big deal in removing sources when it comes to things that are so blatantly obvious. We literally saw Arendelle in a trailer, do we really need to keep a link to an old interview where Frozen is confirmed? In my opinion, references should be reserved for rarer and hard-to-find information, not for information which should be common sense by now. Soroxas (talk) 18:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * "I don't know any other wiki that takes this idea to such extremism." -- TFwiki, one of the highest reputation wikis on the net.
 * "perhaps there may be a Heartless removed in a world due to an inaccuracy between a trailer and the final release of the game." -- or we get a situation like Taunt, where people suggested we just assume the technique is still in the Final Mix, why would they remove it, and the wiki didn't catch it until I personally got annoyed that I couldn't unlock all the abilities in my pre-FM guide, and figured out what had happened.
 * "No one's going to hold anything against us." -- This is categorically false. The fandom has criticized the wiki for unsourced/outdated information a crapton.
 * "it's doing us damage in my opinion." -- What stats are you basing this on?
 * "We literally saw Arendelle in a trailer" -- as has been explained every single time, there are a crapton of things in trailers that get removed from the final version, including whole worlds. Yes, we're nearing the endgame where stuff is less likely to be removed. We also are not sacrificing any of our reliability by waiting until the actual release of the game.
 * "not for information which should be common sense by now." -- Removed content. Until we get Kingdom Hearts Final Final Mix which has all of the stuff removed from the first game put back in, this is a fallacious argument. 18:55, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, your edits put in a huge amount of speculation that is not "common sense". I can't speak for all readers, but my opinion of a wiki plummets as soon as I start seeing stuff like "strongly implied", "likely to be", etc. 18:57, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * An interview already said they don't intend to do a Final Mix. Even then, it doesn't change my opinion about how drafts are unnecessary and just complicate things, and how it's redundant and unnecessary when we can just add a "content may change in final release" warning. As for speculation, you'd need to clarify. I don't think I add a "huge" amount at all, nor are they huge stretches. I don't see a "no speculation of any sort" policy of sorts of a wiki. We already saw what seems to be Riku Replica in a trailer so I don't see the issue with mentioning his existence on the article, nor do I see an issue with mentioning Big Hero 6's world will probably be called San Fransokyo. It's not like we're not claiming it's San Fransokyo as a fact. Soroxas (talk) 19:21, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * "Riku Replica" could be KH1 Riku, through time travel, or someone completely different. Just because it looks like him, doesn't mean it's him (Take Ventus and Roxas for example). And we're supposed to only list facts. If a name hasn't been confirmed, we're not going to say it will probably be this or that. We wait until we have a confirmed name. 19:27, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * "An interview already said they don't intend to do a Final Mix." -- Birth by Sleep Final Mix and Kingdom Hearts 3D HD both exist, despite Nomura stating explicitly that he had no intention to make them. That was also not the point of that response -- so long as the topics listed in the Removed content article continue to be removed content, then the trailers fundamentally cannot be treated as representing final content.
 * You are free to have that opinion. It's factually wrong. There is an entire article of reasons why it is not accurate to assume that things shown in trailers are set in stone. Help:Editing explicitly states speculation is forbidden. You may not see issues with making assumptions, but both the wiki's policies and standard editing guidelines (Ex. on wikipedia) understand why it is strictly forbidden.
 * You are correct that you clearly marked your copious speculation as speculation. That only makes it honest, it does not make it acceptable quality. Having such notices on a list of what is supposed to be confirmed information makes the page look like a fan-blog or forum post. 20:16, 20 June 2018 (UTC)