Talk:Nobody

Merge in
The Replica Program was a planned series of experiments conducted by Vexen under Xemnas's orders, with the apparent help of Naminé. He attempted to make Replicas of Keyblade wielders Sora and Riku in the event that the original Sora proved to be useless to his plans for Kingdom Hearts. The first replica created by the program was Xion. However, after Xion's defection and her death by Roxas, Xemnas discontinued the program. In the Secret Reports it mentions another inferior numberless replica that was taken to Castle Oblivion. The Secret Reports in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days also reveal the existence of other unused replicas.

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Xion
Xion was created by Vexen out of Sora's memories. She held these memories which would stop Sora from being able to awaken from his slumber. Xion, being made out of Sora's memories, could wield a Keyblade, something Organization XIII wanted. This would make it so Organization XIII had two among their ranks that could wield the Keyblade and collect hearts to form Kingdom Hearts. She was seen by some as only a puppet, while only Roxas and Axel called her a friend. She was destroyed by Roxas, and the program was stopped shortly after her defeat.

Riku Replica
The Riku Replica was created shortly after Xion was created by Vexen. He created this replica after sampling the real Riku's memories. Vexen used this replica to fight both Sora and Riku. The Riku Replica always knew he was the fake one, but always fought to get rid of Riku, what the Organization wanted. He met his demise by Riku, and was swallowed by the darkness after being defeated.

Notes and references
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Split off
==Reaction Commands== Reversal Reaction Command available enemy: Dusk, Xemnas's & Twilight Thorn's Nobody thorn strike.
 * Info: You swing around a Dusk, so that you are facing its back. This also works on Creepers if one is standing nearby, and is used in the battles with Twilight Thorn and Xemnas (fourth incarnation).

Berserk Reaction Command available enemy: Berserker, Saïx
 * Info: The weapon of a Berserker is grabbed. Sora can then use it against them and cannot take damage while holding it. This Reaction Command continues on to several upward hits with the hammer, and then a flurry of midair attacks christened "Magna Storm." This move has some type of magnetic effect, causing any enemies close to Sora to be stuck to him, and caught in the attack.

Fail-Safe Reaction Command available enemy: Assassin
 * Info: Instantly kills an Assassin by forcing them underground before exploding, rather than having them explode above ground and damage Sora. It also damages nearby enemies and even other Assassins underground.

Warp Snipe Reaction Command available enemy: Sniper, Xigbar, while trying to snipe you in the tower.
 * Info: Sora teleports and defies gravity by standing sideways in midair and sends a Sniper's bullet back at them. He can teleport and continue knocking the bullet back up to 3 times.

Learn Reaction Command available enemy: Dragoon, Xaldin
 * Info: The Attack command changes to Jump, which allows Sora to jump above the enemy's head, then pierce down the enemy targeted with the Keyblade's edge facing downwards. A total of nine Jumps can be stocked. This name is a reference to the skill of the same name attributed to Dragoons in Final Fantasy.

Stop Dice/ Begin Game Reaction command available enemy: Gambler, Luxord
 * Info: Sora enters a gambling game with a Gambler. He must hit a certain command at the right moment to win, which will destroy the Nobody and cause a rainfall of munny. If he gets it wrong, he is turned into a playing card or rolling die.

Duel Stance Reaction Command available enemy: Samurai, Roxas (Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix only)
 * Info: Sora enters a one-on-one battle with a Samurai, as they both stop attacking and stand motionless, blades at the ready. The command menu goes blank as time slows down. After a few seconds, the command The End appears randomly in one of the four command slots. If Sora can reach the command in time, he'll do a quick finishing slash that does damage, but if he's too slow, he will take damage from the Samurai's slash.
 * While fighting with Roxas, if Sora selects the right command, he will knock Roxas away and steal his Keyblades, which allows Sora to use them and Roxas's attacks are limited to using his light crosses only until he eventually acquires them back.

Could
Could it be possible the other unused replicas mentioned in the Secret reoprts could have been the Data Replicas of Organization XIII in KH Final Mix+? Just a thought. A little research into this, and the information could extend the article.
 * No, not really, since a Replica is a physical thing. The Replica Data are simply digital recordings of the Organization members. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:06, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the Replica Data were planned replicas, in the event of a member's defeat. Vexen could have recorded their battle strategies and made data versions. Maybe he planned to make actual Replicas, but was killed before he could. 66.215.20.249 04:52, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Zexion
It's probably been realized that, obviously, the Riku Replica is NOT No.2, and that makes sense. After all, he was made for a completely different purpose than Xion. Vexen made him in order to counter Sora and destroy Marluxia's plan to try and overthrow the Organization. Xion, on the other hand, was made specifically by Xemnas as a fail-safe, in case Sora turned out to be useless, blah, blah, blah, we all get it now. Spoilers really are lame. That report mentioned above is also very interesting...But I still don't see how the "Repliku" or whatever could have joined the Organization. I could see why they would be called "special nobodies" though, as clones they aren't meant to exist, but still, I really don't think he could have been a member because he had a heart, though it was fake. As mentioned by Larxene, "She(Namine)broke his heart...More like smashed it, really." Not only that, but they would have added an "X" to his name, if he was truly meant to be a member. Sorry for the lecture, I'm sure it's annoying to read right now, but I'm only trying to make a point here. The Replica Project could also imply experiments with such beings used for the Organization for different purposes of the members and their own seperate, individual goals. Finally, Xion was, more than likely, made before the Riku Replica and the events of Castle Oblivion.

That's true, he did absorb Zexion's life force to become stronger than the real Riku. And we don't know whether or not an "x" was added. All I'm trying to say is, we can't be sure to classify him as No.2 in the project without Xemnas' supervision. In COM, it seemed Xemnas was clearly not involved, and remember who created the Riku Replica! We'll just have to wait for the game and see for ourselves.

Wait a minute
How do we know that all replicas fade into darkness except Xon. wouldn't it be just as accurate as saying all replicas crystallize except Repliku. shouldn't we say something like "they disappear into an element they are afillated with"Shimu13 20:00, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Anti-Form Replica
Isn't the replicas that Vexen make in his data and Absent Silhouette battle the same type of Replica from this article?--Xabryn 21:17, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Two months and yet no answers--Xabryn 01:55, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yet no answers, I guess no one knows the answer--Xabryn 16:42, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

You mean the data battle is a replica? I always thought of them as some kind of datas only 17master 16:57, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

No, in the battle against Vexen he creates a replica of Sora in anti form I was thinking that the replicas made by him were the same replicas that we mention in this article--Xabryn 17:23, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think it is, I mean, he collected Sora's data in the middle of the battle, and then created those Anti-Soras. So yeah, I think those are considered replicas since Vexen may have noticed the power of darkness inside Sora and decide to use that power instead of Sora's own power. Besides the Anti-Form is meant for battle, if he copied Sora, the replicas will have feelings of their own and they may turn against Vexen. 17master 17:31, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * They're called "Clone Soras". While it's possible that they are Replicas, there's no reason to believe so. Glorious  CHAOS!  17:35, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ice Colossus
"Ice Colossus is a Replica of Ice Titan and is used as a boss along with Hades against Aqua in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep."

Is there any confirmation that this is the "R"eplica, or just a "r"eplica?24.13.125.86 04:56, May 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's nothing to mistranslate, they couldn't possibly be mistranslations. Glorious  CHAOS!  18:45, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

It's NOT a mistranslation, "Ice Colossus" is spelled out in English right before its Arena battle. There is no vagueness about this. --  Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  21:30, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

And doesn't Hades call it inferior to the actual Ice Titan?--XYZ. 01:38, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Does that make the Ice Collosus a nobody too? And when was it said that replicas were a special type of nobody?


 * 1) That was Vexen, in one of the Secret Reports.
 * 2) There's no reason to think that Ice Colossus is a "Replica", with a capital "R", especially since there was no Replica program at this time.
 * --  Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  16:16, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay then, but if heartless existed before the unversed naturally, doesn't that also mean that the nobodies would also occur naturally, I'm sure there would have been ppl ten yrs before Sora that had strong enough beings, the fallen from the keyblade war perhaps?


 * Well, sure, although technically that's speculation, but what does that have to do with the Ice Colossus? --  Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  03:51, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'm saying that if replicas are special nobodies and nobodies possibly existed way back when, then its possible that the Org. wasn't the first ones to make replicas, making it possible that Hades knew about nobodies and he created the Collosus or someone else created a replica, nobody, of the Ice Titan, but I guess since thats unknown it doesn't matter.

True shape
Here's something important: Secret report 23 states that the failed replica (repliku) was taken to C.O. But report 24 marks Sora's entrance to C.O., which happened almost simultaneously with Riku's entrance. The data collection by Vexen happened shortly afterwards. So, the replica was already considered a failure at least 1 day before the "Riku Data" where collected. Which means that, for a time, it was an identity-less replica. I think that means Replicas are not "Someone's Replica", but rather a replica attuned to copy someone later than its creation. Which leads to the question: How does a Replica look before copying someone's look? And, could this shape look anything like the Xion boss forms (the basic variation, the one only seen during mid-fight videos)? I, for one, am reminded of the word "puppet" when looking at this form.-Xhosant
 * It might just be a typo, but if it isn't, I think that they would look much like Xion did on Day 7. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:44, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

The?
I think it's because Riku Replica is a replica of a somebody and Xion is, well... replica that's made with memories without any base or some sort. 17master 17:16, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I've
Have you ever nocticed that heartless are made from peoples hearts, and nobodies are made from peoples bodies? I bet the unbirths are made from born people.  Myself 123  20:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Emotions
I know its said many times throughout KH2 that nobodies have no emotions, but I feel like its an arguable fact. Yen Sid says it, and DiZ says it all the time, but the story seems to be trying to convince you otherwise. Roxas and Axel clearly actually care for eachother, otherwise Axel's actions make no sense. Namine is a Nobody, and yet she cares enough about Sora and Roxas to try to save them. Is it possible that these generalizations are just DiZ being sort of a "racist"?--Zephyrus11 08:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not racist, but perhaps he was implying that since Nobody's are in actual bodies and souls without hearts, they would not have emotions. Yet sometimes I believe we don't need hearts to have emotion, memories could also trigger emotions. [^_^]/ 08:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's a convertion screw-up. As I recall, it's only in the NA and EU version that it is actually directly stated in the story by charcters that Nobodies do not have emotions at all. In the Jap version, they were merely called "incomplete", an did, to some extent, retain bits and pieces of emotions. At least that was the gist of it, I think. I'll try to find where I read that, just to be sure. --Hecko X 10:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Why hasn't this been added in, then? The article still clearly says Nobodies lack emotions and emotions they do show are used to trick others. Even not considering Axel and his sacrifice, Larxene shows regret and disbelief when she fades and Vexen begs Axel for his life. That's pretty clear fear, and who would Vexen be fooling when Axel is a Nobody as well? Saix goes into a berserk rage when he fights Sora. While there are some examples of Nobodies faking emotions, examples like this seem to show that Nobodies do have some measure of emotions, despite observations of certain characters in the game.
 * Heh, its very likely that Nomura came up with the emotionless nobodies concept AFTER CoM, so he initially designed them with vibrant personalities. He'll have to find some excuse in 358/2 days that proves that they really were emotionless most of the time. But yeah, so far, he's consistantly claimed that they have no emotions. He claims that things like Vexen begging and stuff are the nobodies becoming so good a pretending they have emotions that they are fooling themselves. XienZo 18:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure he came up with that concept after CoM. After all, Twilight Town, Roxas, the Xemnas/Xehanort/DiZ conundrum, and the concept of Nobodies had already been created. Kingdom Hearts II was clearly pretty far into development by that point. But if you think about it, remember- Nobodies remember their past lives. Therefore, they remember what it was like to have a heart, and feelings, even if they no longer do. Since in Kingdom Hearts, "heart" means something more along the lines of "soul," Nobodies are more like memories of their past lives in a physical form. They aren't pretending to have feelings to trick others- it's so they feel they still have a purpose in life, a coping mechanism to deal with their miserable "non-existence." (Not to push the "racist" angle, but a similar concept is in the book "Invisible Man," in which the main character begins to feel like he doesn't exist, and he strikes out at others to prove his existence to himself.) And who, after their death, wouldn't give anything to return to life? Even without a soul or feelings, they would long to be complete again. That explains their primary goal, AND why they fear death- dying means they can never go back to their old lives. In the end, it's just another term that shouldn't be taken too literally, like the idea of them actually "not existing." Obviously, they "exist," but only on a PHYSICAL plane. They "don't exist" in the sense that they have no metaphysical quality, no soul or "heart" to give them a HUMAN existence.

Playable!
Marluxia and Demyx and these other guys are playabe in Kingdom Hearts 2? I Guess I've Been Missing Out

definately talking about 365/2 days mission mode that would be cool though Pokhmon 18:18, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Disney Characters
I wonder if Claton and/or Scar became Nobodies... Mcoolister
 * Possible, but i think Clayton had a weak will so he probily became a lesser Nobody, you might have already killed it. As for Scar, i'm not sure about that.  Myself 123  18:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Scar probably had a Nobody, yeah. I'm also concerned as to the identities of Organization XIII's Heartless, and whether or not Riku or his replica could have a Nobody, as both were technically consumed by darkness at one point or another. Of course, neither Scar or Clayton were strong enough to be turned into distinctive Nobodies. Just watch their respective movies if you need proof of that. :P

Just a completely random thought
I have a picture of Terra, Ven and Aqua, all together in a row, really cool looking and everything, and I noticed all three of them have a symbol somewhere on their clothes that resembles the Nobody logo, but is right-side up, the heart has a different way of looking and the three points are more spiked. I was shocked when I noticed so I just had to check it and post SOMETHING...

All I have to say now is...thoughts anyone? User:Leiber_Mage


 * Can you show me?



That's the picture that I mean. The three emblems on their uniforms resemble the nobody logo but upside down. User:Leiber_Mage
 * Looks more like a spiky Heartless Emblem to me. But at this point, it could mean anything, so for the time being, instead of making random theories, it would be more fruitful to just keep an eye out for official info concerning this issue. Nice job in noticing though. --Hecko X 18:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The symbols are actually hearts -_-Sxoxpxhxixe 18:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, how come Terra's emblem is in a different plance than the others it's also gold instead of silver.  Myself 123  23:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Because he wants people to look at his crotch. It's like those guys who wear big golden belt buckles.

Pureblood ?
I think "tiamat" is the big dragon xemnas commands in the final boss

the differense between pure blood and emblem is artificiality, emblems are produced. in a sense because the first 6 of them were created using the same machine that turned them into heartless than they must artifical nobodies. in one of the ansem reports i remember him mentioning that the first emblem heartless were identicle to purebloods so he marked them. in the case of nobodys even thought they have an emblem it would appear are not marked to differentiate artifical from pure. the only other artificaly created Nobody is Roxas, who was created using the Dark key blade. in therory if Xemnas could have manipulated roxas or xion into recreating that key blade (if possible) than they would have been able to use it to artificialy create heartless and if those with strong hearts could be identified create nobodies as well.--Foutlet 18:08, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Some thoughts on nobodies
I had a weird thought when Axel said I'm not getting turned into a dusk for this that the orgazation has power to change human nobodies to dusks or a lower class of nobodies.--Firaga44 01:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC) .

i think there is plenty of room for a heartless organization and a new type of enemy thoughts please:

Special Nobodies
I looked over the page pretty quick and saw a little info on this, but not enough. Are they created when someone willingly becomes a Heartless or when the original being and the Nobody exist at the same time? Please, enlighten me. Kthnxbai --

== a question ==

Larxene took a bite of meat (see Riku Replica's good luck charm). Coroxn-The Lunar Brigade

Somebodies
Out of all of the fan terminology, people who refer to original beings as 'Somebodies' really, really pisses me off for some reason. I may be mistaken, but I cannot recall a single occurrence in which a Nobody said "Somebody", but not as some body, but as a being. Like a Heartless or Unversed. Is Somebody the actual cannon name for a regular person in the KH series? Please tell me it is not true.


 * No Nobody has ever mentioned their complete being, which should be the correct term ("Somebodies" is a shorter term for fanfiction writers, which is how it became popular), other than Roxas, who just called Sora his "Other", From what I know (I don't have a Psp so i can't play Birth By Sleep). I don't think it was ever mentioned in 358/2 days, it's beat around the bush. So it's more "Fanon." animalbrad 06:34, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Axel does in CoM. So, what's more annoying to me is people who'd rather complain than verify something themselves. Glorious  CHAOS!  07:57, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Nobodies can't be somebodies."

Nobody Clothes?
You know when Roxas became a Nobody he had different clothes to Sora? How is this? I always thought that a new Nobody would be naked at first, or at least have the same clothes as their complete beings.
 * Maybe Nobodies take the forms of their original selves, or in some cases, people whom their original selves have seen before. In that case, Sora meeting Ven. Ven's clothes are half Sora and half Roxas, as we'd call it. But because Roxas is half of Sora, well, that "half" was separated and we have... voila, clothes in a different style. That's what I think.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 13:17, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Somebodies...
Has anyone noticed that of the organization's somebodies that we know what they look like are essentially identical to their nobodies while Roxas and Namine look fairly different (their hair)?


 * This is possibly because of Roxas and Namine's strange births. The Org. XIII Nobodies are literally the bodies of their Somebodies with minor changes due to the darkness. As Org. Nobodies were shells, and Roxas and Namine just appeared after Sora lost his heart, this is possibly why. Also, REMEMBER TO SIGN YOUR POSTS! - EternalNothingnessXIII 23:59, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Ahh this may be true! And sorry! --Webuiltthecross 01:02, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Aging
What interview?--Masgrande 15:23, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

What the hell?!
Why is half of this page a stub? What happened? 68.190.210.240 03:48, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Just a Thought
Since the heartless are like, always mass producing, does that mean that nobodies could be the same way, especially looking at all the dusks near the end of KH 2, so this got me wondering if there could be and other secret members of the Org. XIII. I mean XIII is just a number, besides,in the scene with Zexion and Xigbar gossiping about Xemnas, there was only 11 members but i believe it was still called Org. XIII yet they couldn't have absolutely known about Larxene and Roxas coming along. Unless Xemnas could see the future and saw his doom so he hid some members? Is it possible?

(Leviathan657 03:27, February 6, 2010 (UTC))

The current amount of games could MIGHT fit one new member in, but you have to remember that we have two more games left before KH3 (as was announced) and their them is going to be based on something else. My guess is that KH3 will probably be a battle between the original somebodies (as xehanort's heartless was destroyed before his nobody, he can come back), sora, and the hordes of heartless nododies etc. that still recognized xehanort as master.Oh,how the sea calls 04:04, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nobodies in Birth by Sleep
Scene the heartless appear in Birth by Sleep, it must have been possible for nobodies to exist in this time period too; also their could be humanoid nobodies that pre-dated Xemnas (just throwing that out there)
 * No. According to the mythology, only the strongest Heartless produce Nobodies when created. The body usually just fades away without the heart. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:14, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Ya, but you don't know if any strong-hearted persons turned into heartless; anyone could have.

Can we get one thing clear? The Heartless from BBS are natural Heartless. Natural residents of the Realm of Darkness which never had anything to do with Xehanort. Which means, no Nobody ever existed. And even if they did, they would be wondering around the Realm of Nothingness for all eternity. Rucario 5:11, February 15, 2010

Really where did you get that; I don't remember anything in Birth By Sleep explaining that those Heartless were not people who succumbed to the darkness in their hearts

Well, maybe they were. Maybe they were people who somehow found their way into the Realm of Darkness and turned into Heartless. Rucario

Where is the proof?
There are several claims made about the nature of Nobodies that seem unfounded by the games alone. Some of them I have seen in Nomura interviews, but I have no idea where some of them come from. Specifically, the claim that all nobodies come from the world of like and end up in between or in the dark - the only birth places we know are for "special nobodies" there is no reference to the rest of them. There is a reference to finding Marluxia, but we have no idea where he was.

I don't know the policy of this site, but I think there should be sources at the bottom.
 * Well, they are not beings of light nor darkness, so they have to be born in Realms In-Between, which make it either Twilight Town or Castle Oblivion. (I don't think this, however, would apply to Xehanort and his five accomplices.) Traverse Town is too close to the light, and TWTNW is just plain too close to the darkness. Kryten's been studying um, taking a close look at the interviews and the Final Mix logs (which have much more information than KH1 and KH2 combined), so I'm sure he'll be able to get it up and running. 14:14, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Confusion
Why is Namine placed under the replica collumn, shouldn't she be in a special nobodies collumn or something along with the 5 absent sillhouettes? Also Anti-Saix was removed from the page, was this because he is non canon?

Okay it was fixed so nvmd, though what exactly is Anti-Saix and the other Anit characters, I think Anti-Sora is a heartless, then theres an Anit form and Anti-Riku, could someone explain to me the antis?

Xemnas' Form(s)
Er...Where the Humaniod Nobodies are they have Marluxia's forms and Xion's forms, How come they don't have Xemnas' forms?SilverPinkKitty 22:11, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, primarily for boss purposes. The lord of the castle gets the most powers. Marlulu was the lord of Castle Oblivion ; Xemnas is Teh Superi0r. It should be simple. 23:53, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Ah...I see. Thank you for explaining ^_^SilverPinkKitty 04:07, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * The other forms should be there if Marluxia and Xion's are. They need to be added. Glorious  CHAOS!  10:15, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Beta Reader?
There's a few fine spots of bad or confusing grammar in this article... For example, looking at the trivia section, on the point about Heartless and Nobodies coming back together when they're destroyed, the second sentence reads "when a Nobody is destroyed before it's Heartless' other". It's actually meant to say "when a Nobody is destroyed before its corresponding Heartless". Can somebody go over this with a fine-toothed comb, please? 82.37.246.236 17:33, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Misnomer
Shouldn't it be prudent to point out that in all actuallity, a Nobody should be called a Heartless, and vice-versa?
 * It kind of is, but it's basically because they appear as if they have no body - their body is actually having to fill the function of the heart as well, so it can't fill the function of the body as well as it should. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:08, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^that was somewhat confusing but the point i'm trying to make is that a heartless is actually the 'heart' of that particular person, which means they 'technically' have no body (Nobody), whereas nobodies are the soul and body of a strong willed person whose heart has turned into a heartless, meaning that they have a 'body' (usually disfigured into one of the types we know) but not a heart, which make means they have no heart (heartless). Which means that they should technically have their opposites name, i'm not saying change it by any means, but to make a footnote or something about it. User:TheEncounter

It is pretty ironic, but I don't know where that would be appropriate to note.22:32, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Naming
It should be mentioned that the nobodies of strong will are named after their original selves. Each name is the letters of their complete self with an added x with the exception of Namine

that;s already under the nature of the heart I believe.Oh,how the sea calls 02:59, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

That's only members of the Organiztion. It's something Xemnas came up with, not something naturally true to all Nobodies.03:21, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

well it has been noted under the nature section, should i remove it? i mentioned it was an organization thing, but do i need to remove it?Oh,how the sea calls 03:33, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, its under 'trivia'.Oh,how the sea calls 03:40, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

RE Again:Aging?
Should it be confirmed nobodies age I mean they do Namine does(from kh com to kh 2),Ienzo in bbs looks like a 9yr old kid but his nobody Zexion look's like a 19yr old man.The same for Axel and Saix in bbs they look like teen's in Kh2 there nobodies appear as grown men.It seem's nobodies do age and the reason the other's didnt is cause they where not in a adolesence state.Like the few seem to be kid's or teen's going threw adulthood then appear as grown men but since the other's where already above their teen's they didnt appear to change much but its just a theroie but Im most certain that now they age.-- 03:35, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomura specifically says that Nobodies don't age, even though Roxas and Namine clearly do. It is possible that they only grow because they are not true Nobodies, as they have some form of hearts.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  06:14, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

First off, where can we reference the idea of them not aging by Nomura? I haven't read or heard anything on this sight of such. Even if it is true, its possibly a mistranslation or a contradiction or even (considering everything in Kingdom Hearts is so complicated) that Nobodies grow but don't "age" in the sense of growing old and dying of age. Its possible they grow up to a certain age and then stop. Otherwise, there is no proper explanation for any of the above names given who are clearly younger then their nobodies, to have become heartless and develop nobodies within a year and age so much.


 * I'm aware this is an older post, but this is the interview where Nomura says Nobodies don't age.11:58, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

change
they are not in coded, so the heart logo shouldn't be there!
 * His name is Roxas, by the way. maggosh 19:58, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Emblem
The Nobody emblem was derived from the Mark of Mastery emblem Terra wore on his belt. Source.12:13, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

Recategorization
03:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Do Absent Silhouettes grant experience towards Final Form? If so, I think they should be considered Nobodies.
 * Same question, with Replica Data.
 * Is there any indication that Data-Naminé and Data-Roxas are Nobodies, and not just data constructs?
 * Should Xemnas and Xion's different costumes really be listed here? We don't do that for other enemies (although Xion's each receive different enemy files).

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Does Anyone Know
If Nobodies are statistically more likely to attack Sora than Heartless? I've always thought that they were doing that in Kingdom Hearts II, which would be a clever Easter Egg if true, because they're supposed to be smarter than Heartless.Neo Bahamut (talk) 02:01, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know that there's anything in the game that says so. 05:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The game itself doesn't say it, but my general observation when playing it was that bosses tended to use their attacks regardless of if anyone was in range, Heartless tended to seek out the closest person, & Nobodies tended to gang up on Sora. Some attacks, such as the Dancers' grappling move, I'm not sure I've ever even seen used on Donald, Goofy, or a world ally.Neo Bahamut (talk) 02:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Riku Replica and Zexion
I'm not sure it's fair to claim that RR slew Zexion by stealing his powers. Definitely we see that RR eliminates him in order to steal his powers, but saying he did it by absorbing his powers implies a method of murder that I'm not sure we see anywhere else. For example, when Xion was stealing Roxas and Sora's powers/memories, the game claims that would have only prevented Sora from waking, and put Roxas into a slumber -- not that it would eliminate them, as you would a Heartless and Nobody (which would presumably cause them to reawaken like Ienzo did, anyway, if Xion would eventually be slain herself).

If there's any other instances of powers-stealing definitely killing someone, that would be relevant, but as it is, we know of at least one other Replica stealing powers while definitely not actually killing the victim. 19:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Axel tells the Riku Replica that he needs "the kind of power that the real Riku doesn't have." He then, referring to Zexion, says, "He's as good a place to start as any." This implies that Zexion is the source of the power the Riku Replica obtains to unlock skills such as Dark Aura during his second battle against Riku ("I thought that by finding some new strength, I could finally be someone, someone who's not at all you!"). Zexion does not die until the Riku Replica places a hand presumably around his throat. He glows, then Zexion does as he starts to fade, effectively dying. Are you trying to suggest Zexion was slain because his wounds just happened to overcome him at that point or because of a lack of oxygen? Implausible for Kingdom Hearts. So naturally, based on what we can gather from the dialogue and cutscene, it is the absorption of Zexion's powers that kills Zexion. The only reason I changed the wording on the caption to not say "absorbed" is because it just seemed like an awkward word to use, because it sort of implies, to me, that the Riku Replica absorbed Zexion into his body like a sponge, which clearly does not happen. Honestly, why is this such a big deal? I can understand avoiding an edit war, but why is this an issue now? - 02:20, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm suggesting Riku Replica slew him, then absorbed his power -- similar to Sora vs. Roxas. As for the glowing? Riku already has dark powers. As far as I'm aware, we have no examples of "absorbing someone's power" killing them, while we have an example of another Replica absorbing someone's power and it only putting them to sleep. 14:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Wait, how is Sora vs. Roxas anywhere similar to this? From my understanding, Sora's heart reacts to Memory's Skyscraper, drawing Roxas out. Roxas fights Sora within Sora's heart, and after losing, becomes content with not being the "dominant" existence between the two of them. If you refer to the scene when Roxas tells Sora to "look sharp" and Sora glows after Roxas is integrated back into him, that's different. I've always interpreted the glowing as an acquisition of new power, not the use of power to kill and then obtain new power. - 18:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * He's referring to Roxas and Xion in 358/2 Days, not Sora and Roxas in Kingdom Hearts II. 19:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No, my second example was referring to Roxas vs. Sora. Certainly Roxas gained new powers by slaying Xion, but for Sora -- Roxas is subsumed, then Sora gains new powers (and in fairness, Roxas isn't even that subsumed). In the few instances of "taking other people's powers" we have, it doesn't actually kill them; if a "death" happens, it happens first, not simultaneously. 20:13, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Angel of Death and World of Nothingness
As far as I know Specter is the only confirmed name of these non-journal Nobodies, while "Angel of Death" seems to be a fan term (technically it should also be the Specter, or "Marluxia (Third Form)") and "World of Nothingness" on the other hand is just mistaken for "Xemnas (Dragon Form)" because of the room's name. If anyone has other sources that can confirm one of these two names, please link it, otherwise I will change them accordingly to the Bradygames/Ultimania guidebook names. -- 09:38, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, these names really need to be changed. - 18:12, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Significance of Nobodies appearing in a world
From the KHInsider interview: "Nomura: I want to make it so that you can tell who had come to that world by the enemies that appear there. I am thinking of the enemy types as a part of the total production this time."

So, apparently the organization members leave Nobodies in their wake, at least for KH3. If we assume it is meant to apply to previous games, we infer that Roxas was at Hollow Bastion (poss. due to Sora?), Marluxia was at Kingdom of Corona, and at some point, the KH2 members toured through Twilight Town (excluding Xemnas), the Cavern of Remembrance, and the Underdrome, without us seeing them there. 20:12, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Silver Gummi
Do we need to include the silver gummi from the Xemnas battle? If so, it would require us to make filler images for all the others like we do on the Dream Eater page. 20:41, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Things that I think should be changed
Why is Anti-Saix on here twice in two difference sections? I think he should only be in the Non-Canon section. --Elfdemon (talk) 00:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Non-canon isn't a classification of type. We shouldn't even have that section. 03:39, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Also, isn't Fake Vivi just a Dusk? So should that be removed from the page? --Elfdemon (talk) 05:04, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, Fake Vivi is a Dusk, but I'm not sure if should be removed from the page. Otherwise, by that logic, we might as well take Marluxia's Third Form and and Xenmas's Dragon off, too. Fake Vivi was just a Dusk in disguise, and Marluxia's and Xemnas's forms are just a different versions of the original.-- 22:55, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

True, yeah, Fake Vivi should stay. Is the dragon Nobody Xemnas rides really a form of his? I always thought it was a separate Nobody. --Elfdemon (talk) 01:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a separate Nobody, but it's name is "Xemnas (Dragon Form)". 15:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay. --Elfdemon (talk) 02:01, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Gummi Nobodies
Is the Core, Cruiser, and Mini Cruiser actually Gummi Nobodies? They have no Nobody Emblem on them anywhere. Pretty sure they are just structures built by Nobodies, much like The Castle That Never Was. Does it say in the game guide that they are Nobodies or something? --Elfdemon (talk) 03:07, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Nevermind about the Cruisers and Mini Cruisers, those do have Nobody Emblems on them, but what about the Core? Also, I just looked at the game guide, and it does list them as enemies, but it doesn't say they are Nobodies. I find it really hard to believe that someone's leftover body turned into a Core or a Cruiser, seems like they are just structures. Could be wrong though. --Elfdemon (talk) 10:14, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If Heartless can become ships, why not Nobodies? As for the Core, it's a piece of the entire Dreadnought, which definitely does have the emblem on it. 12:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I sort of meant the fact that the Core and Cruisers don't have eyes or a face, while basically every other Heartless and Nobody do. Honestly seems just like structure to me that have actual Nobodies inside of them. I could definitely be wrong though. I guess there's no way of really knowing for sure. --Elfdemon (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't see eyes or a face on any of the Gummi Nobodies. 16:12, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree, they have some sort of central body part but calling it face is exaggerating it. The core also spots the Nobody emblem, you just can't see it in the Ultimania render because it's so small: -- 18:49, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Fake Vivi
What qualifies fake vivi as a low-ranking rather than a special? Just because it was a dusk? It just looks strange next to the low-ranking nobodies.. 05:34, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That, and it's not explicitly stated to be high-ranking. 18:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Low-ranking Nobodies
Is it correct to classify Twilight Thorn, Specter, Marulxia Third Form, and Xemnas' Dragon as lower-ranking Nobodies? - JTD95 (talk) 00:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yhea, the High Rank Nobodies are the ones under the command of a certain Organization member and with a FF job class name:

--93.150.192.153 18:56, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Xemnas-Sorceror
 * Xigbar-Sniper
 * Xaldin-Dragoon
 * Vexen-Scholar (presumed)
 * Lexaeus-Monk (presumed)
 * Zexion-Blue Mage (Zexion's job class confirmed, Nobody never appeared)
 * Saix-Berserker
 * Axel-Assassin
 * Demyx-Dancer
 * Luxord-Gambler
 * Marluxia-Dark Knight (pretty much confirmed since we see them in KH3 trailer)
 * Larxene-Ninja (Larxene's job class confirmed, Nobody never appeared)
 * Roxas-Samurai
 * Xion-Mime (presumed)
 * Ok, no. Since the wiki deals in only factual information (sourced in either games or interviews), that list won't be making it on the page. Especially those that are "presumed" or not in the games; that's just speculation. That said, I don't know where the determination for current lower-ranking Nobodies on the page comes from. Do we know if that's in an Ultimania or something? 04:58, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I never say to create page of Nobodies that we never see, I just explained to JTD95 the differences between low and hig-ranking, the high-ranking are the Nobodies that are connected to a specific Organization member and have the name of the Job class related to that member, and I done the list of the job classes related to each member. The only ones that are actually confirmed are Larxene (that Nomura say she is Ninja job class), Zexion (where in a 358/2 Days interview he say each Organization member will have a fighting style related to the job class they are related, using Zexion as exemple refering to him to be a Blue Mage), and Marluxia, is pretty much confrimed from what we seen in the Kingdom Hearts III trailers. The others are obviusly only speculation, I never said to add them, for Blue Mage, Dark Knight and Ninja, too I suggest to wait instead of adding right now, since the actual existence of Blue Mage and Ninja we don't know, and Dark Knight... well... I presume you want to wait more information about the,.
 * For the information about the high and low-rank Nobodies, was confirmed in both Journal and Ultimania (if I remember well)--93.150.192.153 10:30, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I would love to see sources for Blue Mage and Ninja. For Marluxia -- has anything actually called that a Dark Knight? Because with scythes and death-based spells, I'd think Necromancer would be much more likely. 17:08, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Off-topic, I always presumed Vexen and Lexaeus would be Defender (shields) and Viking (Axes). I'd think Zexion would make way more sense as Scholar (Books) or Illusionist (...illusion). Mime for Xion is a good pick, although I don't think she'd get any familiars. 17:12, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I ever thinked Marluxia is more likely a Dark Knight, since he have that ability of countdown, but who know. For Zexion, well... Nomura already confirmed he is a Blue Mage (even if yhea, the Illusionst and Scholar too are good for him), Vexen I doubt will be Defender since... we already have an Heartless with that name. For the confirmation, for Blue Mage I remember was made in a interview some time before 358's release, now find that will be pretty hard, but I remember because I hoped a lot to see the missing Nobidies in 358 in some way (and they don't do that... : for Larxene I don't remember where was said... but I remember was quite common read that.--93.150.192.213 21:47, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Terra's Mark
I'm not seeing how the quote makes that clear. 02:15, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. Left out the important part (was multitasking and got distracted). Fixed now.-- 23:39, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Replica Program
This term is used multiple times in Days so it should be mentioned. To clarify, Xion, Riku Replica and Vexen's replicas are all part of the Replica Program? 00:42, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yessum. Probably the Replica Data, too. 12:57, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts III
In Kingdom Hearts III it is revealed that Xemnas, Ansem, Young Xehanort, Terra-Xehanort (?), and Dark Riku (Riku-Ansem?) are all in the present because their Hearts from the past were supplied Replica bodies. Roxas and Naminé also now reside in Replica bodies. Should they go under the replica section, or should it simply be mentioned somewhere? (Levi657 (talk) 14:49, 7 February 2019 (UTC))
 * They have hearts, so they're not really nobodies. 20:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Terra-Xehanort is not a replice is the Terra true body possessed by a past MX. But the KH3 replicas are humans. They say Vexen now can create Replicas that are humans. Demyx say he was substitute by one of this replicas, and then this happen to Vexen too, so Dark Riku and KH3's Xion are the "human" replicas--93.150.192.195 21:00, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

KH3 Ultimania
Not sure whether it would be interesting or not, but the Ultimania confirms that Roxas is no longer the only Nobody to return to being a person without being killed: Even did too. 14:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Strange. I kinda gotta wonder how. Please explain, Nomura. 02:01, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Replicas on separate page
I feel like with the expansion of replicas in III, it doesn't feel fitting to have them as a part of the Nobody page. Given that the replicas in III have hearts and are, as mentioned by the Organization, nearly indistinguishable from real people, they don't seem to fit under the Nobody umbrella anymore. 02:01, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree. I don't think we should list them as Nobodies unless the Ultimania does. 12:53, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * While on the topic of the Replicas, can we add the number of Replicas made to the page. Vexen states in his secret report that he made 20, which you can count out as Riku Replica, Xion, Xemnas, Ansem, Young Xehanort, Dark Riku, Xion 2.0, Roxas, and the 12 Xehanort Replicas. With that in mind, it seems Vexen simply improved on the already existing Replicas rather than creating new (unless I'm mistaken). (Levi657 (talk) 13:51, 6 March 2019 (UTC))
 * Dark Riku is explicitly one of the new top tier Replicas that he created since being re-recruited after Re:coded. That's why they use the vessel for Namine. Xion 2.0 would implicitly be one as well, though I don't remember if Roxas's vessel was supposed to be one of the fancy ones, or just whatever they could grab. 15:14, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I get that, I'm moreso wondering if the new replicas are just upgraded versions of the old ones or not. Otherwise it's extremely coincidental that there just so happens to have been 20 made by Vexen and we now know of 20. When Demyx refers to the old Replicas maybe he was only referring to the original Riku Replica and Xion, which were both destroyed went to the Realm of Darkness and Sora respectively. (Levi657 (talk) 16:34, 6 March 2019 (UTC))

I agree with Replicas getting their own page, though of course the ones that are referred to as Nobodys in Days should remain on here too. --Vanitas (talk) 18:11, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * FWIW: KH3 Ultimania enemy section lists Nobodies (including Xemnas who was pulled from time) with their emblem. Replicas (Xion, Dark Riku) have no emblem at all alongside their stats. Are we sure Vexen’s “could these Replicas not be classified as a special sort of Nobody” isn’t just a strange translation “liberty” taken by the English version? What’s the Japanese equivalent?  Ultima Spark   (talk)  Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png 01:36, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

少なくともこれらのレプリカについては、 特別なノーバディと言っていいのではないか？

It definitely calls them a type of Nobody. I mean, it uses that vague Nomura-speak, but it says it. 02:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It's still a little much to merge the two distinct concepts based on incommittial musing. The point of that line was that Replicas are like Nobodies in that they're bodies without hearts (initially), not that Replicas are the cast-off body when a person's heart becomes a Heartless. Pink Agaricus (talk) 06:19, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

I'd say that if we are keeping them (Repliku/Xion) on the page we should put them under the Special Nobodies section, rather than having a Replica section. --Vanitas (talk) 10:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

The KH3 Ultimania doesn't consider Xion, Dark Riku, or the Replica Xehanorts to be Nobodies. Xemnas is still considered a Nobody, so it's not because of the heart in Replica body situation. So maybe Replicas aren't Nobodies at all. 16:37, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Images
I know we're still having this discussion in the forums for the larger policy, but using the KH3 pics leaves Vexen and Demyx without weapons, and leaves Xaldin, Lexaeus, and Zexion looking inconsistent. 17:53, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The only way around it I see to keep the Wiki consistent but up-to-date is to create another tab, "Real Organization XIII," and move the KHIII renders there. Either put the Days renders back under "Organization XIII" or simply leave the ones who do not appear in III, but remove all the rest from that tab. - 18:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)