Talk:A Fragmentary Passage

Name of the Secret Episode or the Ending?

 * Well, that's just not true. At least the first two have the titles at the beginning, and I'm pretty sure that The Gathering and Birth by sleep do as well. 17:37, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Just call it Secret Episode
It's simply called Secret Episode in the game as well, so why pick a random phrase from the introduction cutscene and try to pretend that's its title? It's neither Zero Point nor A fragmentary passage. 87.185.233.27 22:37, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the theater specifically calls it "A fragmentary passage" 22:41, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Is it just one cutscene or the headline for the whole secret episode? 87.185.233.27 22:44, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Whole thing. 22:50, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't the Save Point call it Secret Episode?--Xabryn 10:40, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it depends on whether we are talking about the story (like with Final Episode), or the scene. It might be worth splitting them. 23:02, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

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 * Okay, so the game actually treats this the same as the Last Episode, it's just that the cutscenes within it are heavily reminiscent of Blank points. However, I think Blank points is still the true ending video. As such, I think we should move this to "Secret Episode", and mention that "A fragmentary passage" is the name of the video scenes. (When you select Afp in the Theater Menu, does it actually contain the gameplay of the Secret Episode?) 00:35, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

I believe not, no. I'd say we create seperate articles for the Secret Episode and Afp, like we do for the Last Episode and Blank points. 00:42, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * However, Blank points is not connected to Last Episode at all. You have to beat Blank points, then go and open the scene in the Theater Menu. Afp, you just see it while playing the Secret Episode. 00:47, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

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Translations
I was just watching the cyberman videos, and I was wondering if anyone can translate the parts in Japanese. It'd be much appreciated. 71.92.202.190 04:14, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

synopsis
whats the numbers for? 18:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you really watched the ending? 00:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Have you noticed that Birth By Sleep Volume 2 is actually Kingdom Hearts 0.2 Birth by Sleep-A Fragmentary Passage for Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue? Samcrux 10.47, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. BBS Volume 2 would have been a bigger game than 0.2 with a lot more story to cover. Word is that 0.2 is actually just a glimpse into what could have been and the rest will be somehow incorporated into KHIII. From the interview:

Famitsu: Will the “A Fragmentary Passage” seen in the secret episode be in “KH0.2 BBS”? Nomura: Although the content is still there, the meaning will be different than it was in “KH BBS Final Mix” “A Fragmentary Passage” as it’s not meant to be a complete game. So the setting was changed to be a small piece of “KHIII” as we decided now would be a good time for it. However, to not effect the progress of “KHIII”, it was decided it was best to not be a “0.5” like a full volume but a “0.2” type of game. So even though a change was made to cut the chapter to a shorter length, the name “A Fragmentary Passage” is still kept as a subtitle.
 * -- 16:24, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Beginner Mode
The page says "Beginner Mode - not accessible." However, the menu for 2.5's BBSFM says "(The secret movie is extremely difficult to unlock in this mode)", thus implying it is unlockable. Verdict? Draconai (talk) 19:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh, χ-blade, the wiki doesn't know. I'm effed. Draconai (talk) 21:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As completing the Trinity Archives 100% is the most difficult task already I can only imagine that this also the unlock condition for the Beginner Mode now, if it's not an error, because I haven't found any evidence that this really changed, at least not on the Japanese boards. You probably have to find someone who 100% completed Beginner Mode already, maybe on gamefaqs. -- 07:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought about it, in the original Final Mix the Secret Episode had the same unlock conditions as the secret movie Blank Points, maybe this was changed and Blank Points can be viewed in Beginner Mode now. I find an error still more likely though. -- 20:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I have got a strong feeling that we need to 100% every single darn thing, beat every superboss however hard it may be, etc., etc., etc. in Beginner Mode before actually viewing Blank Points. Just a hunch. Feel free to disregard.  Trois nyx  23:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't know but completing the journal 100% already includes most of this stuff since the secret bosses all have character entries for example. -- 09:03, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm in the process of 100%ing Beginner Mode now, I'll report back. Does Normal Mode Fragmentary Passage require all the trophies as part of 100%ing the Trinity Archives? Draconai (talk) 20:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, you need Mickey symbols everywhere. 100% Trinity Report = 100% of all three individual reports + all items. I think the Secret Gem, Victory Line and the tickets/recipes from the Mirage Arena are probably the only items that can be passed to get 100% in an individual report but not for 100% in the trinity report. -- 21:50, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Hidden Mickey. They're called frickin' Hidden Mickeys. Anyways, thanks for the tip. I'll report back to you when I clear up. Unless someone else beats me to it/finds that someone has already done it. Draconai (talk) 00:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

WOAH. WOAH-HO. WOAH WOAH WOAH. HOLY. BAGS. OF MULCH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. I just cleared the Final Episode, didn't do anything out-of-the-way except Keepers of the Arena, and I just got a notice to save data to start the Secret Episode. Trinity Report is at 84%, but I have everyone's ultimate Shotlocks. I can get a photo if you guys need it, BUT I think someone's gonna have to start data mining and figure out the necessary necessities because I don't have a clue in Valhalla what the Pulse just happened. Draconai (talk) 22:38, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you got it, even though it doesn't make any sense to me;-) Did you also unlock Blank Points? -- 07:41, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes I did. Blank Points plays, and then A Fragmentary Passage starts. As far as unlock conditions go, I am in the deepest, darkest abyss. Draconai (talk) 08:08, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Unlock conditions across the different versions
I think it's time for another table as there seems to be a lot of misinformation circling around regarding the unlock conditions of Blank Points/A Fragmentary Passage: The information for the original Japanese release comes from the Ultimania, the information for the International (NA & PAL) from the Bradygames guide, since there is no (complete) official guide book for the Final Mix version (I will check the Master Navigation guide again though), there is no concrete source for the rest. Still there are three things to consider: For the Beginner Mode unlock in the Final Mix versions: Apparently it was always possible to unlock the secret movie on the lowest difficulty, here is a screenshot from the PSP version. But since it was translated wrong by KeytoTruth/Truthkey for the fan patch and nobody cared to examine the unlock conditions, this became a fact somehow. Thanks to Draconai we least know that 100% journal completion is not required, so it's probably another trophy or 100% treasure chests or something like that. If there is are no further questions or obscurities regarding this topic I will (or everyone who feels like it can) add this information to the page. -- 07:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) You have to unlock the Last/Final Episode first (meaning collecting all Xehanort Reports), even if you already fulfilled the unlock conditions for Blank Points/Secret Episode.
 * 2) The unlock conditions must always be met with Terra, Ventus and Aqua for the difficulty mode of their story. This means if you played Terra on Standard and Ventus/Aqua and Proud in the International release, you have to complete Terra's report (all Mickey marks) but not Ventus's and Aqua's.
 * 3) In the Japanese and International release of BBS it's required to complete the report on Standard. This doesn't include defeating the secret bosses since Vanitas Remnant doesn't have a journal entry in the original Japanese release and although both Vanitas Remnant and the Unknown have one in the International release, they are not counted towards 100% completion (meaning you can get the Mickey symbol without them). In the Final Mix and ReMIX release all secret boss entries have to be in the journal to get the Mickey mark, but journal completion is not required anymore. This is because Normura wanted all players to experience the Secret Episode, so the unlock conditions were made easier (a summary of the Degenki interview stating this fact can be found here, and translated here).

I can confirm that the unlock condition on Beginner Mode is not 100% treasure chests or anything like that, because I did nothing out of my way aside from getting the Ultimate Shotlocks. I haven't even fought either of the superbosses. I'm starting to get the feeling that it's just automatically unlocked upon completion of the Final Episode, similar to on Critical Mode. I know that doesn't make any sense, even setting aside the "explanation" on the difficulty select menu, but that's the only conclusion I can reach. Draconai (talk) 19:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess, how long would it take to do a speedrun on Beginner? 21:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * According to these records it would take around five hours for the full story, although I don't know if there is planning involved or if you can simply rush through the game. -- 14:54, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey. I noticed we still have no firm data on the unlock conditions for Beginner Mode. I ran my triples on Beginner Mode again, and the Secret Episode was still unlocked after I completed the Final Episode. Unless someone can mine the data and confirm otherwise, I'm pretty sure Beginner and Critical share unlock conditions. So, I'm going to add that to the page, and I would request that someone inform me if that is a problem. Draconai (talk) 03:14, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Er... that non-registered user that just made that change was me. Not checking the "remember me" box during the login gives you a very short login frame. Draconai (talk) 03:15, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking this is absolute nonsense. You posted this same thing on Gamefaqs, and just the same, no one else has confirmed it there either.  But for the hell of it, I went ahead and created a new PS3 user profile just for this little experiment.  We'll find out tomorrow.  --Ignis (talk) 06:58, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Gamefaqs? I have never been to Gamefaqs. For any purpose. Could you link me to the page in question? I didn't think I was noticeable enough to be impersonated. If nothing else, it IS accessible in Beginner Mode, in the II.5 ReMIX, as noted by the New Game menu. Draconai (talk) 07:09, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Also, if you're going to be done all three stories by tomorrow, I must praise either your haste or your dedication. Whichever is taking action. Draconai (talk) 07:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

What all have I done, I feel I might be claiming to have done less than I have...
 * I am using the HD II.5 ReMIX; I cannot claim this to be accurate for the PSP version.
 * The New Game menu reads "The secret movie is extremely difficult to unlock in this mode".
 * I DID NOT fight Young Xehanort or Vanitas Remnant.
 * I DID NOT complete anyone's Report.
 * I DID complete Keepers of the Arena with all characters.
 * I DID complete Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix before Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep Final Mix.
 * I DID complete Kingdom Hearts Final Mix with the HD I.5 ReMIX before obtaining the HD II.5 ReMIX.
 * I DID NOT complete Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories or Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days on the HD I.5 ReMIX before unlocking the Secret Episode.
 * My PS3 Trophies, as of completing the Secret Episode, are:
 * The Lost Chapter
 * The Vessel
 * The Dormant
 * The Seeker
 * Connected Hearts
 * Profiler
 * Collector
 * Perfect Shot
 * Musclehead
 * B-Boy
 * Majorette
 * Command Board Conquerer
 * Maestro
 * Rapid Racer
 * Fantasista
 * [All "complete the (world) episode of (character)'s story" trophies]
 * Pawn of the Arena
 * Knight of the Arena
 * Queen of the Arena
 * King of the Arena
 * Keepers of the Arena
 * I received no notifications for trophy achievements during my rerun noted earlier.

Side note: is mining the data of a video game not a thing anymore? Used to be, I couldn't open a talk page on an independent wiki without finding an administrator had made a comment like "show us where in the game code it is and we'll believe you". Now I notice a line on the menu on the remake, a big-name on the wiki gives me some advice, and then twin-knives here accuses me of making Mulch up at one in the morning Saskatchewan time.

Side side note: Ignis, referring to you as "twin-knives" is meant only to be a reference to Final Fantasy XV and is not in any way intended to offend you; if you feel offended by the remark, please inform me and I will refrain from repeating it. Draconai (talk) 08:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I've gone with this name since before Versus XIII lol. In fact, his name reveal was kind of cool!  Anyway, this is the thread in question:  http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/735143-kingdom-hearts-hd-25-remix/74248315  --Ignis (talk) 08:24, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. "Drethrake" is not me (and nor does he seem to be impersonating me, which is a relief). Please inform us of the conclusion drawn by your new-user Beginner Mode run. And try to take it easy on the caffeine. Draconai (talk) 08:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and if you could please confirm that the "extremely difficult to unlock" note on the New Game menu is there on yours? I got my copy of II.5 almost on the release date, and after your accusations I'm starting to think I may have a faulty copy. Draconai (talk) 08:47, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Faulty copy may actually be the case. I just did a speedrun, and did all the supposed requirements.  When that didn't tick, I went ahead and completed all stickers, treasures, and special unversed and saved it.  Still nothing.  --Ignis (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Well, on one hand, this makes several things easier for my personal enjoyments. On the other hand, Purge me. What about the menu? Does your New Game menu say the same thing mine does? Draconai (talk) 03:02, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Also, could you please confirm that those are all set to Beginner difficulty? The menu does default to Standard mode, it kicked my ass once already. Draconai (talk) 03:03, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Wait, defaults to Standard Mode... Oh, Purge me, the saves for my repeat trial were done on Standard Mode. I cannot count that as confirmation. Initiating Beginner Mode rerun. I'm using a second-hand PS3, it's possible that was a one-time glitch. Although that doesn't solve the problem of the menu statement.

Query for you, twin-knives: Which Trinity Archive trophies do you have for your speedrun? I just realized that the secret ending unlock conditions were tied to in-game trophies and not strictly Report completion. Draconai (talk) 08:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

In the blue corner: my completed Beginner Mode saves for Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep Final Mix, after having wiped all KH II.5 data from my PS3. Terra, Ventus, and Aqua, all with completed Sticker Albums and their ultimate Shotlocks; the Final Episode, on which nothing was done before defeating Terra-Xehanort; and a complete lack of Secret Episode save file.

And in the red corner: my Trinity Archives trophy shelf, consisting entirely of One Down, In The Munny, and Power Walker; the unlock condition for the Secret Episode on Standard Mode, which requires all three Sticker Albums to be completed and the Trinity Archive trophy, Keyslinger; the fact that none of the conditions for Trinity Archive trophies correspond to conditions for PS3 trophies; and the realization that - assuming that I have tallied my Report kill counts properly, and the Trophies page has not added an unnecessary nine - I am a very, very, very long way from meeting the terms to get Keyslinger.

With this data, I can confirm that the Secret Episode is not unlocked via the completion of the Sticker Albums, as is required for Proud Mode; and, consequently, that it is not unlocked by simply completing the Final Episode, as is required for Critical Mode. However, until I (or someone willing to beat me to the punch - here's looking at you, Ignis) have obtained the Trinity Archive trophy, Keyslinger, I cannot confirm that it is not unlocked by the completion of the Sticker Albums and Keyslinger, as is required on Standard Mode; and further, until I (or the aforementioned punch-beaters) have obtained all Trinity Archive trophies, and tried to unlock the Secret Episode after obtaining each one, I cannot confirm that the it is not unlocked by the completion of the Sticker Albums and an additional trophy.

Objections? Draconai (talk) 08:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I complete missed this discussion but of course there are no objections. On top a reddit user has confirmed that you can reach the Final Episode on Beginner. In his word he didn't die a single time and completed the journals as far as he could without touching post-game stuff, which means 100% journal completion is probably not a requirement. -- 07:41, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

"In his word he didn't die a single time"

Well, Purge me. THAT'S what I missed. Maybe. First time I went through the ReMIX I played through it the old-fashioned way. The SECOND time I went through the ReMIX I wanted to perfect-match every boss and kept forgetting to change my Command Decks ahead of time. And, of course, since Load Game puts you at the save point and Continue puts you at the previous screen, I always chose to get my greens kicked and selected Continue. And if I'm wrong, and it's just the Keyslinger Trophy, that's probably why I didn't get it my second time.

I'm currently in the middle of a ReMIX binge after getting II.8, as soon as I get to II.5 I'll be back for an update. If anyone wants to beat me to the punch in the meantime, I welcome you greatly. Draconai (talk) 03:19, 26 January 2017 (UTC)