Forum:Huge problems on the IRC

Guys, if rules are being broken, then use the ban-hammer. Simple. As. That. If EVEN MORE mods are required, I suggest someone consider me. I'm mod at #FFwiki, and in general, I'm a pretty decent mod. Adola 10:25, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

No one has ever asked for the logs. Why would I just spew them out everywhere? Ask for the logs, and you will receive Adola 08:42, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

(EC'd FOUR TIMES)Nothing's ever truly fixed by a vote... I like TNE's analogy. It explains what we need to do to a T. " What does KH teach most of the time where the protagonists are concerned ? Charity. Behave likewise and the IRC will be in perfect shape. You gotta admit that the IRC is experiencing growing pains, but it's too early to pass a judgement and say that it's time to erase the channel." That pretty much sums up what I think about this matter. We also need to re-think how we conduct ourselves. A lot. You can also add another dead body to the pile they'll need to step over to get rid of the IRC. Remember what we're all here for. One series of games. Kingdom Hearts, above all else, promotes kindness, compassion, and friendship. If anything's gonna change, we need to stop acting like Organization XIII, with everyone running their own agendas, not caring about anyone else. We need to be one community, not several. One sky, one destiny. Remember those words. SAME HERE ! I have been EC'd !

Well folks, I've read all of this, and there's something I'd like to point out. IRC, is similar to a family. Almost everyday, the same users sign in, and sit. No one comes on to tell breaking news, or to ask difficult questions, or to even ask for help. We go on there, to just idly banter with our mates. In short, like all families, there's a few bad eggs, there's a few blacksheep, and there's a few troublemakers. We'll pull trough. When my server hosting goes through, the bot will be there 24/7 reporting EVERY curse word. I suggest mods ask for that log every once in a while. As for the fighting, I suspect like someone said, 'growing pains'. And I'd also like to note that Dan's above statement carries some weight. Dunno about you guys, but sounds like he's wording it like a kid who's trying to get away from bullies, a kid who's appealing to the bullies so they'll just leave him alone. To me, it sounds like Dan is trying his best to just keep things cool, so the channel doesn't get abolished. And I suspect that's how a lot of people are feeling. I'm wondering how many other people felt worried, or annoyed, or sad at DTN's comment about removing the channel. If it's more than 1, then that's plenty of reason to keep this thing around.

I suspect the only logical reason for removing this channel, would be to distort or abstract the associations made by it's users to the rest of the world. As in, to not have #wikia-kingdomhearts known as a breeding pit of trouble. However, if anyone is thinking that deleting the channel would solve the problem, it most certainly wouldn't. That's just a programmer's look into it. Trying to be as logical as I can.

In short, no amount of mods, or rules, or strikes, or threats could fix this 'problem'. Our members are just going to have to grow up a bit. We can try our best, but in the end, we're not going to decide how this channel plays out. We need to either let it soar, or let it burn. Adola 09:41, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Heh, im not sure if I should or should not be surprised that this issue popped up again. After reading through a bit though, I think most could agree you do have two main choices resolving this issue(But i'm sure these are not all the choices):

1. Try some new moderators.  Maybe the problem lies within those who manage the chat channel, especially as seen within the evidence you have given. If you do decide to remove moderators from the IRC channel, not everyone has to be removed, but if they have to be, so be it. And when picking new moderators, take your time. Build trust. 'Test' their abilities of trust and review it after to see if they have proven themselves worthy. And over time, you'll start having a better chance at getting 'good' moderators to ensure order in the IRC channel. The only downside to this idea is that it may not work as intended, because of either moderators that turned out to be bad or for whatever similar reason.

2. Scrap the channel completely.  I remember suggesting something like this a while back when we had problems relating to the IRC chat, and maybe it is best that we just go back to having user page chats. Even if new moderators do come around to help with the chat, so what? Odds are, you are still going to get these threads regarding complaints about the IRC chat. Don't get me wrong, sometimes you may have to put reminders or similar objects from time to time about the chat, but odds are, with new moderators, the current trend we have will continue. The rules in the chat will continuously be violated by the public, and at best, the moderators will only be able to hold off the inevitable just a little longer and show more evidence to prove that its best for this chat to be scrapped.

I understand that the downside to this is that the edit log will be full of people typing in user:talk pages along with other things. Well, let me ask a simple question, "Can't you filter out the edit logs to not include such changes by default?" Don't get me wrong, you should still have the option to display changes to user:talk for whatever reason, but if the spam is going to be such an issue, why not filter it out? Just a thought in my head.

Overall, I thought that the idea of having a wiki chat channel would be a good idea, because you could talk about what you like/dislike about the KH series, talk about the wikia, have general chat, a good time, and so on, and so on. However, with the threads you see here, combined with how the internet community is and other things, we may be left with no choice but to scrap the channel, and it would be a shame to see the IRC channel go down like this. And sadly, I have a feeling in the end, this may happen. Unless...unless maybe something changes. Somehow, I have a feeling that if one thing were to be changed, things may be a bit better. But even then, I doubt it would make things better.--Pkthis 21:17, September 9, 2010 (UTC)