Talk:Black coat

*Ahem*... That aside, the black cloaks have become a 'common factor' in Kingdom Hearts series and are therefore noteworthy. Had only one person worn it, then I would have probably agreed with you, but since that isn't the case (there are at least 16 different wearers), I say this stays and should be expanded. --Hecko X 00:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * First, I wrote this page before I had an account. It's my first little baby... :"> I hope it doesn't get deleted!
 * Also, I had always been confused by the black cloak affair. Whenever I saw Riku or DiZ in one, I assumed Organization XIII. I think it's a common misconception that only Org XIII members wear this. I just wanted to make that clear. As I was writing this, I noticed that all wearers of the cloak use the corridors of darkness without succumbing to them. I thought that was significant.
 * And it's funny, Zack, 'cause Sora's clothes (atleast in KHII) are special, and maybe there SHOULD be an article on them. O_o *ponder ponder*
 * Anywho, I'd prefer if this didn't get deleted.Summon:WALL•E 04:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Wall•E. The black cloaks are notable. As well Sora's clothes. The page does need to be fixed up a bit though. Dr.Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 03:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Riku's and Mickey's cloaks came from castle oblivion, Diz found them there so it's likley that organisation XIII made them. Also, i think the cloaks change size/shape for thier wearer, seeing as it's unlikly that the org would have a Micky-sized cloak.  Myself 123  21:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Creator?
The "Creator" section of the article shouldn't be there in my opinion. The cloaks are most likely created from the darkness that is in the Corridors of Darkness. That would explain the the unique trait of the cloaks like Axel's extra-tight sleeves, Mickey's ears and small size, and Vexen's gown-like cloak. Saying the someone makes or "creates" then makes it sound like there someone with a street cart in the Corridors giving them away. And besides all this there is nothing official saying that there is a creator. I'm going to take it off.

This article sucks
But it could be so much better. Also, someone should add that the black coats conform to fit their wearer.

Still there?
The crap I put about insulation is still there? I say we should just delete this page.


 * I removed the crap about insulation that you put there. I agree, it is indeed crap. --66.99.22.99 15:44, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Black COAT
I took the liberty of re-editing this article to read Black Coat although I don't know how to change the title. I made the changes because it's a trenchcoat, not a cloak and in fact has only been referred to as a cloak by fans who do not realize the difference. In Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Xemnas even specifically refers to it as a coat. So here and on the Organization XIII page it should be referred to as a coat, not a cloak as the latter is something entirely different.MegaNerd18 22:38, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * DiZ calls it a cloak in Re:CoM, though, so you don't need to be calling anyone stupid. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:39, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * He/she didn't.Adam 148 18:06, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just because it's called a cloak in Re:CoM is not enough to overturn the fact that it's a coat. Calling it a cloak was an accident on the part of the producers. A cloak is a cape with a hood. Cloaks have no zippers and hang down the back. This article of clothing is NOT a cloak. It's a coat. A trenchcoat to be exact.MegaNerd18 22:38, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * And just because Saix's weapon is called a claymore doesn't overturn the fact that it's not one. However, that's the term that the series gives it, which is why we use it. So, again, cloak is okay. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:07, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Adam:

DiZ: The Organization will pursue you. Like a pack of hunting dogs, they will sneak up on you if they sense your presence. However---this cloak that is worn by Nobodies will render their eyes and noses useless. The ears, not so... They wear this to give themselves protection from being devoured by darkness. Is it clear? Even the Organization cannot rule the darkness.

Er... Xemnas: Good tidings, friends. I am pleased to announce that a new comrade has been chosen to wear the coat. --Lord Captain Cecil Harvey 01:24, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which does nothing to change the face that the games have also called it the "cloak". Glorious  CHAOS!  04:22, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

my name is of no importance, kupo!
In this article it says the Moogle wears the coat because it symbolizes service to the organization. I disagree, I think it's pure comedy. For one, the Moogle just looks plain silly, his/her nose sticking out like that, and plus since the Moogle mimics the Organization in other ways ("my name is of no importance, kupo!") I think it's just to be funny/cute, not implying servitude.

So, anyone agree with me changing it?

Robertxkills 06:30, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Actually there is a moogle in the castle that never was in kh2

Nobody's Body
I was thinking...you know how the non-human nobodies have zippers? What the black cloaks worn by the Organization are actually more like body suits as opposed to clothes? User:Veroso 3 November, 2009 20:07
 * Except Naminé and Roxas are shown in different clothes (Roxas at his birth, not just in Virtual Twilight Town). Also, how could Riku and Mickey get ahold of them? Or Xion as she isn't actually a Nobody.Adam 148 18:08, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Birth by Sleep
It would appear that chronologically the Black Coat is going to appear sooner than expected:

http://i45.tinypic.com/2vwcl14.png

--Samoth 07:42, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Master Xehanort, of course. Kaihedgie 18:09, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ansem the Wise

 * Wait, where does it say this? 18:57, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Moogle citation
Q. Why do the Moogles wear Organization XIII robes if they are not in the Organization and how did they get them?

Nomura: There are also other characters such as Riku and King Mickey who wear that coat, but are not members of the Organization. That is to say, it is not a requirement to be a member of the Organization to wear the coat, and if the Moogle is within the castle walls, he is permitted to be there, so the coat is most likely issued by the Organization.

Locked?
Why is the article locked? MegaNerd18 22:42, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at the edit history. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:10, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

The Mysterious Figure
Someone with the correct permission needs to edit this page to include the Mysterious Figure into the article.

Did we ever stop to think that the coats are just there? Like normal clothes, to be found in a closet or folded away in a drawer? Just because DiZ pulls them out of his ass to give to Riku and Mickey doesn't exactly mean there's some mysticism at play. People pull items from behind them all the time, not just in Kingdom Hearts. You guys seem to be thinking a little too deep with something that may not have some mystical origin beyond someone just making them, and handing them out; like Xemnas, who's original wore the coat a decade ago, and then possibly upon becoming a Nobody, made more of them for the rest of the Organization. There could be some mysticism, or there could be none. Until we actually have more information, we can't really say, but that doesn't mean we have to give everything some mysterious origin. Sometimes, it's just clothes. Derekoe 05:15, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Except that magic plays a massive role in Kingdom Hearts. The Black Coats are not normal clothes and clothing can be given special properties in KH (Sora's KHII clothing for example). You just said yourself that people frequently pull things out from behind them -- out of thin air/hammerspace. The cloaks could have come from anywhere in the same way the we don't know where the Keyblade is when Sora isn't holding it.05:35, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * They are made of darkness, serve the same purpose as the magical Keyblade Armor, and have super-topological properties.
 * What would make you think they could just be bought at the local Gap? Glorious  CHAOS!  12:29, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts Secret Ending
Why is the Black Coat not considered to appear in the original release of Kingdom Hearts when it is seen in its secret ending?

GUD 9:08, December 24, 2010 (SCT)
 * Because we don't count Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts II's secret endings as official. Namely those secret endings are sort of like beta versions for KHII and BBS, thus non-canon. -- 01:31, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Shoes
Since this article is mainly about the black coat- it just mentions the shoes to finish off the Organization member's attire- I say leave it out.-- Xion 4  ever  01:11, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

regarding Mickey's black coat
but in 358/2 days in the scene where he's talking to Riku I'm pretty sure I saw a hidden Mickey symbol where the chain is connected to the coat --Draph91 (talk) 12:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You're right, I guess Mickey's coat is really custom-made: -- 13:23, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Battle with the Mysterious Figure
I know that in Birth by Sleep any of the three playable characters can battle Young Xehanort, as is mentioned of the page, however canonically it doesn't really make sense for Aqua or Ventus to have fought him, as Aqua doesn't arrive back at the Land of Departure until the very end, when she changed the world to Castle Oblivion, and Ventus doesn't return until his confrontation with Eraqus, after which Terra tosses him into Destiny Islands - which he canonically leaves from to go to the Keyblade Graveyard. Thus, the only one who could possibly canonically fight Young Xehanort is Terra. How is this sort of canon vs. additional final mix gameplay usually handled here? (Levi657 (talk) 18:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC))
 * By referencing the Ultimania, in which it says that Young Xehanort did, indeed, battle each of them. Ref: Memorial Ultimania, Xehanort Experience Record. 20:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)