Forum:Trailer reliability

NEW D-LINK!!!!!
I just saw the Gamescon trailer and theres a new D-Link!!! And it's PETE!!--P456 18:53, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a link to the trailer?--Xabryn 22:08, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQkA3_FIRF0 - JTD95 22:21, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind I just saw it--Xabryn 22:24, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ether that or it could be only in the European release. Nomura didn't mention a new D-link in the north american release.Edgeshadow

Then the D-link is not included in the north american release.Edgeshadow

You don't know that. Why would there be two different English releases? -- Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  01:19, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Man, This really confusing!Edgeshadow

WOAH WOAH WOAH! Lets slow down for a minute. Lets calmly think 1st.Edgeshadow

That's right and besides we don't even know who get the D-link. All we see is aqua using it.Edgeshadow


 * Trailers are not at all reliable, Organization XIII at the Great Crest, Disney Castle in KH1, etc. Less than a freaking month, guys, just wait until you can edit responsibly instead of making more messes.02:34, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

AHHH COME ON! We are not even sure!Edgeshadow

Wash your mouth MAN!Edgeshadow


 * I allowed that one to be changed because that article is already an unsourced mess, and since I don't have the time myself to reformat it, there's no point in trying to keep it to any such standard until the game is dubbed. Closing the door after the fox got in, and all that.
 * However, this article is accurate, as is the Deck Commands one, and there is absolutely no benefit in letting it get **cked all to hell by combing trailers for names that may not even stay the same.
 * Also also, there is no logic in lumping us as one multi-headed beast that always thinks the same. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:50, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

WOAH WOAH WOAH! Slow down for a minute. We'll just wait to be sure. Just wait for the release. OK. Good!Edgeshadow

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH! SLOW DOWN! Or better yet COOL DOWN! One-Winged Angle is right. Put you petty argument (AKA Shit) in the User Talk page PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!????????? IT STARTING TO GET ANNOYING. IT PRACTICALLY OUT OF THE TOPIC!?!Edgeshadow

The Logic behind not including this is flawed at it's core. Let me list the reasons why it's a safe bet 1. The game comes out in ~2 weeks. The trailer isn't going to include beta elements at this stage 2. The Japanese trailer didn't have this. They wouldn't inculde something from beta and have it translated into english (Note aqua's command menu is in english, not japanese. If this was a beta element it wouldn't be translated. 3. They wouldn't add something to the English trailer, that was otherwise identical to the Japanese one, unless it was a new feature (Another example is the dude in the Org. XIII cloak. We know that's a bonus boss and was added for the English Release.) Lego3400 04:17, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Forget it man his too STUBBORN to listen to resons! STUBBORN MULE!!!!!!!???!!!!
 * I would prefer we keep this civil. So please no name calling. That said I am stubborn as well so this could last awhile <.<; Lego3400 04:27, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * All three of your reasons are the same reason, and are all assumptions with no evidence. "The game comes out in just over two weeks" is not an assumption. You do realize that, just the FACT that they are changing things between releases means, "Yes, they ARE changing things between releases".
 * NV - you are so deep in denial that it is hilarious. Yes, using repeated terms with a clear context from several games is so much less reasonable than a split-second shot from a trailer in an unreleased game. Of course you're right, I was so blind. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:50, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

so umm from tha new video it looks like pete is a d-link too just wonderin if u plan on addin him in tha mix --Chaosxterra09 15:17, August 25, 2010 (UTC)Chaosxterra09

And that pretty much sums up both arguments. One side says not becasue they insist that no trailer can be trusted 100# and the other side says that a trailer this close is safe to trust. I agree with the latter obviously. Lego3400 02:19, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

A wiki is not the same as a newspaper. We don't need to have information first, we need correct, verifiable information. Is it really that hard to wait two weeks?I think not.02:24, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * A bit yes. If we can't be consistent on what we can and cannot take from trailers we shouldn't take anything. IE: Revert Keyblade Glider to Rider ETC. Notice how backwards and hypocritical the arguments seem if you extend it to everything on the wiki, not just this one thing? Lego3400 02:26, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Valid point, I hadn't noticed that that was changed.02:28, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can always open a forum thread to discuss the policy.  BLUER   一番   02:36, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

True so true.

Final Agrrement
Type here if you want to agree.

1) Sign your posts. 2) What are you talking about?02:43, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Do we agree that Pate is a D-link? Yes absolutly!!!! Maybe. NO!!!!! I don't know.

You're missing the point. This is about whether we should use the trailers as sources or not. Thinking about it more, I think we should use them for story elements, which do not often change, but not for game mechanics, which often do. That's just my opinion, and we should move this to a forum. I'll do that.02:52, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Its relly getting everyone confused in many ways and that the truth.

New discussion
Please stop doing that. I said discussion, not poll. A poll should be used if everything is in a deadlock and the discussion has come to an end. The discussion got side-tracked before, and now's the time to argue your point civilly. Wait on the poll for a bit.03:06, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

OK. should i erase the poll?

For now. If we can't reach a decision in, let's say 1 week, we'll put the poll up again, wait for another week, and go by that. And sign you comments.03:11, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thats an erase.Right?
 * Oh, you're bringing up Keyblade Glider: We absolutely should change it back. The original name was based on the official materials in the Ultimania, while the "new name" is based on a screenshot from the Command Board minigame. That is exactly the kind of reasoning that gets used if we jump on trailers like a lonely man at a cheerleading convention. It may very well be correct, but the point remains, it is not reliable - and when we have TWO FRICKING WEEKS to wait, there is absolutely no justification for jumping the gun. We are not a news site, we never will be. We are an ENYCLOPEDIA, devoted to providing IN DEPTH, VERIFIED info, and using trailers in this manner goes against that in every way.
 * Honestly, I would hesitate to use trailers for story info, either. Tons of story info was changed before BBS was released in Japan, and Nomura explicitly said that he would be changing it again for its North American release. Every time we have tried to post straight-up story claims before the game was released, we ended up with several errors. At best, AT BEST, we should be able to present info that has appeared in the promotional articles and released interviews, because the producers are standing behind that info as finalized.
 * However, for the English trailers, story info should be okay, assuming that the quotes won't change further. We've already gotten the Japanese game, and any quotes are basically translations, rather than truly new info. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:11, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Release date I assume. At this point nothing is likely to change between this final trailer and the game. Also that argument was not meant to be in favor of reverting the Glider change. It was meant to add weight to the support to adding Pete. IT was sarcasm. Lego3400 04:15, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Are you done arguing yet??Edgeshadow

This is why we don't accept info from trailers, and why you guys should never have even suggested we do:

Glorious  CHAOS!  19:15, September 24, 2010 (UTC)