Talk:Dream Eater

File talk:Wandanyan KH3D.png
First:Is this thing a dream eater? Second: Shouldn't we make a page for it and the bat-thing?--Xabryn 15:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * We don't know what they are... how are we to make an article about them? All we know is that they are in the game, and that they look like animals.  16:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

you know, every time i think they can't make there creatures any more cartoony and ridiculous looking, SE comes out with next game to prove me wrong-- 18:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Well there is an insignia on Wandanyan. Maybe it could be the Dream Eater insignia. But there are 2 insignias for the Dream Eaters. (At least I'm assuming there are 2 for them).

These 2 look different. This was taken from the offical website of KH3D.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/kingdomhearts3dsymbols.png/

@The Inexistent: We also know that they're the new partners in the game and there are already some gameplay videos so maybe we can get some more from them @ShadowsTwilight: The bat thing is not cartoony, it actually looks familiar to me(...wierd) and they're not ridiculous if you mean the color I'm supposing that it has something to do with their connection to dreams since the enemies have similar coloration. @Keyblade0:The insignia is the reason I asked it in the first place.--Xabryn 00:50, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * While I'm not usually one to trust fansites, KHInsider posted a Nomura interview discussing the new gameplay elements of KH3D. One is the Dual Link. About it, Nomura says:


 * "In DDD, you fight along side demons known as "Dream Eaters." In the TGS demo, you start off with two of these in your party. As you build up a gauge, the Dream Eater's icon will begin to flash. Tap the icon on the lower screen, and you'll be able to do a team attack. You can also team up with both Dream Eaters simultaneously."


 * So yes, the Wandanyan and Koumori Bat are Dream Eaters, as is the unicorn thing Riku also has as a party member and whatever Sora's other companion is. Thus it's obvious the insignia on Wandanyan's chest is the Dream Eater symbol, or a variation of it. -


 * If we do end up making articles, we have to be careful about the term "Dream Eaters". We don't want another "unbirth" situation to happen.   02:32, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Even though I also thought it was a unicorn at first ENX when you have a better look at it you can to notice that it looks more like a stag. And wasn't the term Dream Eater already used in english while the term unbirth was just a mistranlation?--Xabryn 03:05, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Two different types of Dream Eaters

 * Spirit (スピリット)
 * Nightmare (ナイトメア)
 * -- 01:34, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I was checking the Keyhole
And found it's version better than this. You could change this article it to be like this one-- 22:23, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Can we get this unlocked? 18:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's unlocked now, but all the sort of info that the keyhole has in lead and gameplay sections needs to be sourced. 18:47, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Images of the Nightmare Ice Penguin
On the official Kingdom Hearts 3D site, the images of the Nightmare Ice Penguin feature an underwater setting. Do you think this could be part of the Prankster's Paradise world or possibly another world? I'd assume that it's part of Prankster's Paradise that leads to entering Monstro. Obviously this is just speculation so I'm not saying it should go on certain articles but just something I saw.

Images to be added:

 * Nightmare Kaeru Chef

Please and thank you! 12:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

http://i.imgur.com/1hkZD.png Neko Cat remodel

This would be the Fruit Cat I guess. --ShardofTruth 15:10, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

special trailer : Red eyed man.
In the new trailer the man in the black coat had red eyes. but they were Dream eater eyes. So he has to be a dream eater right? should we include him (and the Ventus armor with the nightmere symbol on its face) on the main page? Beacuse it could very well be possible that dream eaters could resemble people. (like the purple one who turned into pinocchio when Sora approced it in the special trailer) Unknown3619 15:18, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * He does not have to be anything. We don't know what those two are, so we're not going to list them under anything until we do. -- 15:27, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

hermit crab dream eater
The Hermit Crab Dream Eater's name is Blazing Lobster. the latest famitsu weekly is on kh13.com
 * Ah, so it's like Crayak from Phantom Hourglass, a lobster-hermitcrab thing.192.249.47.177 16:32, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The Gorilla's Name
From KHInsider: And the bird's name is スペルカン I think --ShardofTruth 23:07, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Nice/Good Flower (イイフラワー; "Iifrawaa")
 * 2) Elecunicorn (エレキユニコーン; "Erekiyunikõn")
 * 3) Frog Prince (カエル おうじ; "Kaeru Ouji")


 * "Spellkan", whtever that means.
 * If someone with sharp eyes can read the names in the left-hand chart on this scan, that would be most helpful. So far I can see, besides the ones we already know:
 * Ryuu Dragon
 * Hone Fish (I think)
 * Wall Flower
 * Magic Rabbit
 * -- 23:17, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * 3
 * Tamasheep - Rolling Ball
 * Tsuno Kabuto - Target Shot
 * Tsunokeratops - Rolling Ball
 * Denden Cargot - Rolling Ball
 * Dokudoku Sansho - Poison Dash
 * Drill Sai - Rolling Ball
 * Neko Cat - Rythmic Pad
 * Hasami Kuwagata - Drop Shot
 * Haraguchi Ahiru - Rythmic Tail
 * Hari Lion - Hammer Slow
 * Hebi Tokage - Flame Slow
 * Boukun Rex - Flame Ride
 * Hane Fish - Water Blaster
 * Magic Rabbit - Giant Swing
 * Mimi Bunny - Giant Swing
 * Moerodan Horse - Fire Blaster
 * Yagi Cyber - Spinning Rodeo
 * Yagi Horn - Spinning Rodeo
 * Ryuu Dragon - Unison Cross
 * Wallflower - Poison Rain
 * Wandanyan - Wonder Jump
 * Ice Penguin
 * Ashika Juggler
 * Ii Flower
 * Electric Unicorn
 * Obake Pierrot
 * Kaeru Ouji
 * Kaeru Chef
 * Kaeru O??
 * 2
 * Hakozaru
 * 3
 * Spellican

Ele Kamakiri
I don't know if you can use this, but the Ele Kamakiri is called the Gigabyte Mantis on Dream Drop Distance's OST because it has its own boss music. Kamakiri definatly translates to mantis but I don't know how Gigabyte comes from Ele,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aIbGpDS404&feature=relmfu there it is if you want to hear it
 * The Ele prefix means Electric. Also, please sign your posts. maggosh 18:33, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Gigabyte Mantis" is just a title, as "Luna Diviner" is for Saix. That doesn't make it the actual name. 22:38, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Same as "Hunter of the Dark" and the unnamed Heartless. maggosh 22:42, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

About The Dream Eaters
How do you collect them? Feeling into Notre Dame tonight 22:44, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Colors and why there never will be a FM version
Exhibit A. I don't get it, can you customize the colors of your Spirits and are the Nightmares affected by this too? --ShardofTruth 00:41, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not too sure about the Nightmares, but I believe it was said in a gaming magazine a few months ago that the Spirits can have their colors customized, yes. - 00:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you can obtain some type of paint item that will change the coloration of one of your Spirits. I think you can obtain multiples for individual colors. -- 03:03, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's good to know. I wondered if the Nightmares change accordingly (to the complementary color) because we still have this image. --ShardofTruth 03:30, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I deleted the image, since we don't need it, but wasn't it getting redder during that scene? 06:21, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Another thing. Many times during battle, a Nightmare will go into an "enraged" state, wherein it will turn red and in some cases grow larger for a short period of time. -- 13:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's an actual status effect, called "Berserk" 14:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Heartless
Arn't Pureblood Heartless and Nightmare Dream Eaters the same thing?--124.150.58.146 10:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * According to Yen Sid they have the same composition, yes, but it's kind of like...like a snake adapted for an aquatic ecosystem and one adapted for land.192.249.47.177 15:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Origins of Spirits
According to this thread over at KH13.com, Dream Eaters are born from the energy of Jiminy's Journals. Now the game's intro and the appearance of the recipes make more sense to me. --ShardofTruth 15:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

English Names
Have any new English names been revealed yet? --Littleman 16:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Tyranto Rex
Okay not to sound rude but why dismissed this Dream Eater. Sure it wasn't a Nightmare boss like the others in the game, but you did fought it as a mini-boss in the Country of the Musketeers World. Besides I believe this is the only Dream Eater that appears as both a boss(mini-boss) and just a regular Spirit/Nightmare Dream Eater. DisneyGirkeybladewielder95 22:10, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Because this is ridiculously specific "trivia" again. Yes, he's a boss. No, that doesn't need to be highlighted as trivia. It can be mentioned in his story and strategy sections.
 * Plus, doesn't the Kaeru Ouji also serve as a boss? 07:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Kaeru Ouji is a boss and a normal enemy. 07:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It could also count. DisneyGirkeybladewielder95 13:06, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Images
Permission to upload and use images on The Keyhole? 07:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally I have no problem with that, I don't know about Erry, As if! and maggosh though. -- 13:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Should I consult them before uploading? 06:27, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well considering we had a truce that renders can be uploaded regardless of who uploaded it, although people should be credited, such as Shard, myself, maggosh and As If! 09:51, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * So please give credit to the uploaders, than it's fine Darkheart. --ShardofTruth 12:28, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

That's great! Thank you for your help : ) 03:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Any more?
Are these all the dream eaters? or are there more to come?


 * Sign your posts.
 * Unless more AR cards are released, these are indeed all of them. -- 17:19, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks, but i don't know what signing a post means


 * [Incredulous look]
 * It means you need to somehow identify yourself when you write something on a talk page. You can do that by typing four tildes, i.e. ~, after the content of your message. -- 17:42, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again, i'll be doing it from now on unless i forget(it happens more often then you would think). 97.81.45.32 21:16, 16 July 2012 (UTC)Rex Ronald Rilander

Dream Eater Attribute?
To moderators and/or admins: would you wish the addition of each Dream Eaters elemental affinity/attribution? I figured it might be an additional "quirk" some viewers may be interesting in knowing, but it is by no means not understandable if you wish to exclude its inclusion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knoname (talk • contribs) 
 * We still haven't begun the coding for the stat infoxbox, so this information will be included eventually. I'm not sure where to put it at the moment, although this "attribute" is more a valuation from the Bradygames staff based on the Dream Eater's abilities and resistances rather than being a hard programmed fact, so maybe mentioning it in the Dream Eater's description would be more appropriate. --ShardofTruth (talk) 00:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * From what I understand, it actually is a mechanic that factors into how the Dream Eater works with Dual Links. I should have the template up soon. 02:57, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, I completely forgot about that. --ShardofTruth (talk) 03:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Dream Eater Riku
I just got to the World that Never Was in KH Days, and after the fight with the Anti Black Coat Nightmare, Ansem tells Riku that he has become a Dream Eater Spirit, designed to battle soras nightmares, and that during the process of the game hes been in soras dreams the entire time. and that's why Riku has the spirit dream eater symbol on his back. Should we make a separate article for Riku's appearance in KH3D? Ixbran (talk) 01:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No, for the same reason we don't have separate articles for Roxas during his time in Organization XIII and after: it's still the same guy. - 01:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Ahhh, okiday then, i was just wondering. Should we put the dream eater tag on Rikus character page then? Ixbran (talk) 02:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, no. He's not a Dream Eater in the sense that Meow Wow is. He unknowingly dove into Sora's dreams and started to carry out the function of a Spirit by vanquishing Sora's nightmares. He's not an actual Dream Eater. He just fulfills the same purpose. - 02:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Individual Dream Eater/Spirit pages
I've noticed that information on the specific creatures are lacking and I would like to add information (like commands they reward, etc.) however I don't know where to start. (What information is important would be nice to learn) Is there a project or something working on this? On another note I beat the Shadow Ventus-Armor and unlocked the secret message, but my reports say Story: 70% complete... whats up with that? (I realize this probably isn't the best place to pose this question but I'm new so please give me a break.) Γ-Lord XaleΓ (talk) 05:25, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, it's nice to hear editors eager to help. If you have information like that, it would be a good idea to put it on the respective Dream Eater's talk pages; the KH3D stats template is under construction, so that information is more than welcome.
 * And on the subject of Story; I believe you'll need to both defeat Julius and unlock the secret ending. maggosh 05:41, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Γ-Lord XaleΓ (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Development Section
I talked with Kryten earlier about what this page needs, and he said we should get a Development section, to cover why Dream Eaters were chosen, the removed Dream Eaters, and anything else. Anyone want to right up a draft for this? 02:25, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Rare Nightmares
So...what is the significance of these things?75.195.95.148 13:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * They're the recolored versions of Nightmares that appear in Secret Portals. maggosh 19:04, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

In battle differences with heartless
I don't know exactly how to describe that but I know it's something important. Like, when the player is attacking a Heartless, like a Shadow for example, it will be being hit and will not be able to move, attack or take any action. Giant Heartless do not stagger from damage, the same with Giant Dream Eaters. Although, different from that, even small Dream Eaters don't do that. It's not all attacks that interrupt their action. I mean, sometimes, while the player attacks a Yoggy Ram, it can move out of the way, stay imobille (like if nothing was happenning, like if it wasn't even being attacked) or even attack you, even if you just hitted it. Although, sometimes, the player atttacks really makes them stagger, being unable to move or attack, but it's not every attack, like it happens to a Heartless. If you guys understood what I said, I think that, in a more simple way, of course, should be noted somewhere in the article, since it's something much different from other enemies, that can't do nothing while being attacked. - - 13:55, 05 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's Stun (status), isn't it? 21:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Does the popping bubble effect appear? -- 04:39, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Gosh, I said I didn't explained well. It's not a status effect, it's just the normal reactions for that enemy receiving an attack. Like, when you are attacking a Shadow It will not be able to do nothing while being hit. The same happens to Dusk and Dancer nobodies. But with Dream Eaters it's different. Let's use Yoggy Ram for example. When you are attacking it, it can stay in place, move out of the way, or even counterattack, even after a Combo Finisher, different from a Heartless, that is always thrown away by a Finisher. Dream Eaters do not stagger from damage. they act normally. Only sometimes, like when hit by Riku's second hit in a combo, they stagger for just a second. Yoggy Ram, for example, shakes it's head when this happens, leaving him defenseless for a moment. Does this helped to understand?
 * I think I have a video that shows that well. The Attack Basics gameplay video. You can see, at the beggining of the trailer, that after the first hit, Tama Sheep stayed in the same place, immobile, like if it wasn't being even attacked, but was left defenseless just after the second one. The same happens with the Eaglider. Aside being a Large Nightmare, every hit of the first combo, even the finisher, apeared to do not make anythng with him, it even moved out of the way. But the second hit of the second combo made him stagger for a moment, shaking it's body. This is a different way to react to attacks as other enemies, that stagger from every hit in a combo. Another thing I noticed, is that sometimes when low on HP, Nightmares get angry, get a Dark Red coloration and grow on size, like if in a rage state. - - 13:37, 08 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Do any Heartless actually show this effect in KH3D? 22:17, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Just forget it. In fact, how would we note that in the article, if even I can't explain it? Only if we wrote, "while other enemies, such as small heatless, stagger from damage while being hit, Nightmares can sometimes take actions while being attacked, such as move or counterattack." But that just doesn't make sense. It's something I noticed but can't explain. I always do that. Anyway, there's one more important thing to note that is REALLY easily noticiable. That Nightmares sometimes enter in a rage state, growing and getting red colored, with smokes emanating from their bodies, when they are low on HP. I don't know if all of them do that, but I already saw an Hebby Repp, a Pricklemane and a Zolephant doing that. Once that is in the article, you can delete this conversation if you want KK. It is taking to much space on the talk page XD. - - 14:27, 09 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You're talking about stagger. That's the proper videogame term for "that thing where the guy can't move while you're hitting him." When it comes to Kingdom Hearts, in general, small enemies will stagger, mid-sized enemies might, & large enemies won't. I'm honestly not sure whether Nightmares stagger or not, or if that's intended for Nightmares, or just DDD's battle system overall. Remember, a lot of odd things change from game-to-game. As for the red berserk state, it's special to Hebby Repp, Pricklemane, & Zolephant, & mentioned in their profiles, though I don't think that Zolephant grows. There's also one odd special battle with a bunch of Kooma Pandas where they will be in the berserk state.Neo Bahamut (talk) 01:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Etymology sections
I forget if there was a reasoning behind this, but Dream Eaters are the only enemy pages that have a distinct subsection for their Etymology in the Design section. Is having the subsection correct, or should the Dream Eater articles be corrected/adjusted? I understand the formatting weirdness caused by having the Spirit and Nightmare sections. 14:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it was because of the Spirit/Nightmare subsections. But now that you bring it up, I think it will be a good idea to give the Etymology a subsection on all enemy pages. Even the Battle section has subsections for Attacks and Strategy, so why not the Design section? 16:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it was like that before, but the etymology sections were only like 1 or 2 sentences anyway, so it's a little silly to designate a whole section for them, as opposed to just having a paragraph. 19:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, etymology should just be a paragraph, no need for a full section. 19:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Things that I think should be changed
First is, it is not called the Realm of Sleep. It's just called "Sleeping Worlds." So I don't see why everywhere it says "Sleeping Worlds" was changed to "Realm of Sleep." --Elfdemon (talk) 00:04, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * "However, one of you braved the realm of sleep again to unlock the final Keyhole and save a friend." 03:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thanks. --Elfdemon (talk) 05:06, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's still strange that they only dropped it one time in the whole script, I tried to identify the original quote and the Kanji seems to differ. Could you check this out Kryten? The quality is so bad I can't really tell what's what here: video, screenshot -- 23:50, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * しかし最後に再び眠りの鍵穴を解放しソラを見事に連れ戻したリクを今回はキーブレードマスターとして承認する
 * It says "However, I now name Riku a Keyblade Master, as at the end you freed a Sleeping Keyhole once more and rescued Sora." It doesn't talk about the sleeping worlds. Young Xehanort in The Grid also calls it the "realm of dreams", while claiming that The Grid is not a sleeping world, but most of what he says to taunt Sora is gibberish so....yeah. 17:07, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Chirithy
Should it be moved to the main list (probably in the first position)? 17:01, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It should be moved, although I'm not sure it should be in the first position. The list itself is ordered alphabetically, so we should put Chirithy in that order as well, or place it last, because KH3D came out before Khx. Also, where do the DE silhouettes come from? 17:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer the list be organized in Journal order, as the lists are for Heartless and Nobodies, though considering the journal doesn't really have an apparent order either, we could pseudo-organize it by clade. The reason I want to put Chirithy first is because it is clearly a special type of concept, out-universe, and putting it last in such a long list would make it easily be missed -- however, I don't think we can support classifying it as a "special case" in a gallery of its own because we've been shown that, other than showing up in a different game, it isn't really a different kind of entity from the other DEs, like Riku is (being a human who took on the abilities of a Spirit). 19:50, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's still kind of special in the way that the Chirithy have personalities, talk and act on their own, even seem to have their own agenda. They are more a different race like the Moogle than another enemy/ally roaming the Sleeping Worlds. There are still a lot of unanswered questions but I don't think, besides being Dream Eaters, they have that much in common with the ones we see in DDD. Personally I think it's like with the Nobodies, there are the enemies and then there are the characters. -- 20:56, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, no merge then. I'd still like us to have the Nightmare image on this page, though. 03:32, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

New Dream Eater!
Here is a new variation of the Zolephant. It appears to have some kind of flat-ish headpiece, like a shield helmet or something. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:24, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

New Dream Eaters
Kingdom Hearts Union Cross has now introduced a "pet" system, with Spirits created using ingredients gathered by Ephemer, Skuld, and Ventus, and synthesized by Brain and Lauriam. There's a cat, a dog, and a dragon. They're meant to consume Nightmares for Player: https://www.khinsider.com/news/Press-Release-Tsum-Tsums-and-Pets-10217
 * I uploaded the blue and pink variant of the Cat Star and Dog Star. There is a third color variant, probably called white or rainbow, where the pets have a bigger star on their forehead, but it's not released yet, same for the upcoming bunny and dragon pet. The only image of the dragon pet comes from the NA press release screenshots but there it uses the bunny ears. -- 18:37, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Readdressing the Pet Spirits
Is there anything that can be done to provide individual drop downs for the Pupstar, Kitstar, Bunstar, and Pigstar? Pupstar, Kitstar, and Bunstar come in either Pink, Blue, or Rainbow, while Pigstar can come in either Purple, Yellow or Black. For now I've uploaded the Rainbow Bunstar and Black Pigstar, but I think that we should properly represent all options available on the page if possible, I just don't know how to go about doing that. Images of all are available, I'm just wondering if we can include them all in a more clean way or if anyone believes that we should just bite the bullet and upload all three varieties of each Spirit individually under the Pets section (rather than some form of drop down menu for each).
 * Ideally we would have individual pages for all pets where all three color variants could be featured in the infobox or at least a page concerning all pets and the various accessories they also can wear (similar to the page on the KHUX wiki). Showing all color options in a gallery this big is not something we've done in the past, same for the Gummi Copter, Copter Fleet or all Gummi Nobodies for example. -- 17:09, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think we should only show the "prime" versions of each pet species (bigger star, more details). 23:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Tables
I believe these should be collapsibles instead of tabs, since we're no longer comparing nightmares to spirit versions directly. 12:15, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

For clarity on khux ending
Just to make the point, if you let the animation continue to play out, you see the Chirithys putting the hearts in their purse.71.222.187.40 13:03, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should add this animation on the page, there is so much confusion about this whole topic. -- 06:43, 25 June 2021 (UTC)