Talk:Enter the Void

If we are to have separate articles for each piece the games, we need to figure out how to categorize them. - 04:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There's a category for Songs, I believe? Also do you not want me to go into the more detailed technical aspects? Also it'd be nice if we could get the full audio recording, but I heard there might be copyright issues? 05:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * But I mean, do we want to categorize songs by name? By type (boss theme, field theme, etc.)? It's more complex now than just "Songs" as a general category. Besides, "Pieces" is the more correct term, since in Kingdom Hearts, we deal primarily with instrumental pieces. I would use pages like this and particularly this for reference when writing future music articles; they are very thorough examples that would make something of this manner more article-worthy. We should also discuss making navigational templates for musical pieces, yes? -  05:14, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The only issue with basing all of the pieces off of the One Winged Angel or Duel of the Fates page layout is that those two are extremely high profile songs, quite popular and iconic, even. A piece like Enter the Void appears exactly ONCE, in ONE boss fight, with ONE version. There aren't extensive interviews on the creation of this little piece, and sheet music is limited to one or two fan arrangements. I could transcribe an actual score and we could use those images, if it doesn't break copyright infringement, but our official information is quite limited. 16:52, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying "Make every article just like those!" I was just saying that those are exemplary articles regarding songs or pieces from other franchises that we can use as a model. I am well aware how insignificant "Enter the Void" is in comparison to something like "One-Winged Angel." That's just something we're gonna have to deal with if we create articles for pieces that only appear in one game as you seem to be. Obviously we can't have every section these bigger articles do if a piece is only used once; I'm saying that we should use similar formatting/sections and include similar information, making adjustments depending upon the piece. - 01:40, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, gotchou. I'll give it a shot, let's see how it works out 02:40, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Category: Songs is used for the Atlantica songs, which are fully voiced and very much "songs". I'd go with "Category: Music pieces" for the rest of the tracks. We could also divide by game (Category: Kingdom Hearts II music pieces etc.). Yeah, we need a navbar. It'd probably be organised by having "Introduced in..." sections, like the heartless navbar. 06:36, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, a navbar would be useful, but since many songs are used in many games, I think organizing by game would only make it a bit more confusing. Song type (field, field battle, boss battle, etc) might be better for that 13:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Why not arrange them by soundtrack/game they first appeared (for songs with variants, ie. "Monstrous Monstro", the original piece/game is used to determine)? ie. pieces that first played in KH2 go under the KH2 section, regardless of where else they appeared, same for BBS (many of its songs reused in 3D), and so on. Ultima Spark   (talk)  Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png 14:05, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that would work. 16:52, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I could do the nav bar, if no one minds... 16:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Start on it, let's see how it looks 19:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I was hoping to use "Details" for info about the song, such as length, and "Summary" actually tearing it apart, following the "Duel of the Fates" music page. These could easily be merged into a single section, however. And I do love the infobox, but I see FM's point about image consistency. If it's in an album we can add an image of the album cover to the page itself? Or, we could use the same image over every page. If possible, an image would make the page look a bit better, but it's fine if it's not possible too.20:51, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm still against the image parameter. Other opinions? We're discussing the music format in the roundtable so there's a chance to finalise this there too. 17:44, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * As KSM said, an image is a lot more visually appealing, but consistency would be an issue as well. Maybe we could use a single consistent neutral image, like the heart symbol or wiki logo or something like that? 18:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Regarding the quotes thing for songs, according to Wikipedia's Manual of Style, and several other pages I've seen, as well as my own English education, song titles and album tracks are enclosed in quotation marks, while albums are in italics. (Seriously, could we have a Manual of Style like this one, it's so better than ours...) 18:51, 16 October 2014 (UTC)