Talk:Maleficent

Name origin

 * ...Maleficent. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:48, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Wiped from Existence
--ETHAN1994 06:24, January 1, 2011 (UTC) I don't think she has been. I think that the Maleficent seen in Coded and Re:coded was the digital Maleficent, created by the writings of Jiminy's Journal. It would explain why none of those pixelly stuff appears when she teleports, or why she seems to have turned into a complete idiot ("Data world? I care nothing for such nonsense!"). I mean, sure she has made a fool of herself before, but she's still very clever nonetheless.

Alive in coded
http://www.gamefaqs.com/mobile/mobile/file/943348/57054 it said Maleficent and Pete survived not delted. The coded website right now had episode 7. --Cococrash11 02:33, January 29, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Fine what about this. Told you they are alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qSEYx76BPY --Cococrash11 04:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC) Cococrash11

Seriously, what do we have to do go get this bitch to stay dead?! --Hyperwre_2.0 21:57, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

The Ring
In Birth By Sleep Maleficent is wearing a ring. But she doesn't have it in any of the other game. Maybe that ring has something to do with the next game.65.247.197.213 02:41, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

New Page Idea

 * okay, let me restate that - they have no central purpose. They have tasks, but only maleficent will benefit from obtaining KH.06:32, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

well acuatley they do work together in a way in kh1 you see that maleficent travels to the other villans worlds and helps them out and you see this in Aggrabah when Maleficent is seen walking with Jafar talking about Jasmine and how to capture her they do communicate with each other to plan out how to get the job done and then they just go to their world or a different world to do their job which is just like the org. does as you see in days where they send them out to world to do various jobs. so yea i'm a big disney villan fan and they diserve a place.
 * Okay, you really aren't understanding me. They don't have a goal that they work together toward. Maleficent aids them in their own little world-conquering escapades, and they hand over their world's Princess of Heart. That's it. Yes, they meet up to talk once or twice, but there's absolutely no unity to either the group or its plotlines. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:39, April 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * You keep saying that the Organization didn't appear to work together until Days, but they did it all over the place in CoM. Have you played CoM? And then they show up in groups all the time in KH2, and are given missions to do things. They may have little agendas in KH2 (Xaldin, Axel), but even Xaldin is just doing some overtime there, not outright ignoring his mission. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:22, April 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * ...Axel fought Sora with Marluxia's permission, and then Axel would meet alone with Larxene, Larxene would meet alone with Marluxia, Axel with Vexen, Vexen with Zexion and Lexaeus, Zexion with just Lexaeus...how do you not see that they were acting as a group? Yes, there were factions within it, but they were still a group. The Disney Villains showed up at group meetings, but they served Maleficent, and never got into factions against her. Maleficent IS the Disney villains - they're essentially her glorified henchman. That's what makes the difference. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:40, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, but here's the difference between the HB Restoration Committee/Org. 13 and "Maleficent's Council." The Committee and Organization have official names. This "Council" does not. Just putting my opinion out there. 66.215.20.249 03:50, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Disney villans?
ok so i've been wandering for a while how did Maleficent get in contact with all the other disney villans to recruit them,anyone know?

^ First, leave your name at the end of your comment using four ~'s. As for your question, we don't know. The only Disney villain we see her recruiting is Pete in Birth By Sleep, even though we don't see him working for Maleficent until KH2 (wonder what he was doing during KH1?) It probably isn't all that important, anyway. Key of Destiny 16:02, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

The best bet is she used the alure of the Heartless and the powers of darkness to travel between the worlds and found the most powerful people who were willing to work with her. She also probably had assistance from Xehanort's Heartless. --Hyperwre_2.0 21:55, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

--ETHAN1994 06:29, January 1, 2011 (UTC) She sent Pete out to travel to various worlds to find the darkest people in those worlds. He would then offer them an alliance with Maleficent in exchange for the dark powers she could share with them (mainly, the control over the heartless). If they refused, he would kill them and turn them into Heartless. That's how she ended up with a band of minions, and an army of Heartless.

I have a problem with this sentence
One by one, each of the Disney villains failed to resist the darkness in their hearts and each met their demise at the end of Sora's Keyblade, with the following exceptions: Pete, (whom Sora did not encounter at this time), Hades (who is immortal and merely gave into his anger), Jafar (who turned into a Genie and was sealed in his lamp) and Captain Hook (who merely fled). The number of exceptions (Pete, Hades, Jafar, Hook) is greater than the number that actually "meets their demise" and fail to resist the darkness (Oogie Boogie and Ursula). This should be simplified to "defeated". Xerruy 19:08, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

This is true. It's actually a very useless sentence. I vote for it to be edited.Lying Memories 06:22, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hell

 * Since when was "hell" a curse-word? Glorious  CHAOS!  00:19, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The definition of a "curse word" is subjective. Different people are offended by different things. Opinionated statements shouldn't be on the wiki (including that bit about Axel if it's still in his article).00:23, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * By Disney standards, any word that has a strong negative connotation that is known by the majority of people is considered a curse, such as the word Hell. --Evnyofdeath 01:36, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Even Axel wasn't technically using it as a curse. He wasn't cursing anything, he was using it for emphasis. Maleficent was actually closer to cursing someone (by suggesting that she will expose them to the powers of hell; it was a threat/curse, not just emphasis). That said, I still don't think either should be mentioned, since what is and is not considered a "bad" word is subjective.22:45, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

And also, Maleficent was the only one to canonly curse since Axel's line in Re:Chain of Memories was changed to "try to make it enjoyable Sora." And Demyx only said "crap" in a manga which is not canon because it is an adaptation of the games that makes them funny. SeanWheeler 22:13, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Huh, why would maggosh delete my note from the trivia section? If it was notable on Axel's page, why wouldn't it be notable here? SeanWheeler 00:02, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

You know what would be a good way to find out? Ask him. Personally I don't think either of them are suited to be trivia.00:03, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Quote
In the Maleficent battle with ven in BBS, when putting you to sleep what does Maleficent say?

One quote is: INto sleep you fall forever and the other is: All who dare I something something, from this sleep you shall never wake 134.151.33.152 20:26, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom hearts: Rise of the Darknes...?
What did I miss here? Who put that in the coded section?--"Behold the endless Abyss!" -- User:Dark-EnigmaXIII 14:17, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I knew it, I just wanted see if it was "confirmed"... yeah, right, like if that gonna happen. Thanks, Chitalian8--"Behold the endless Abyss!" -- User:Dark-EnigmaXIII 14:24, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

What is Maleficent?
There seems to be a debate on what creature Maleficent is. She is a Somebody, we know that for sure. But what kind of Somebody is she? Is she a witch/sorceress or she a fairy? She is referred to as all of these things in the Kingdom Hearts series. The result of this debate is an Edit War on Maleficent's article going on between me and a few other members.

I personally say she is a fairy. More precisely, an evil fairy. She is Disney's version of the Evil Fairy Godmother from Charles Perrault's original story, half of which the Disney version is based on. In the original story, all the fairies were sisters, so presumably, Flora, Fauna, Merryweather and Maleficent are all sisters. I'm sure I'm right.

What do you think?

ETHAN1994 20:34, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * According to the journal:
 * KHI: "A sorceress of awesome power"
 * KHII: "A sorceress of frightening power"
 * BbS: "A terrifying evil fairy with a command of dark magic"
 * CoM: "A witch who commands the darkness"
 * I think the general consensus is witch/sorceress, since only BbS classes her as a fairy (disregarding the movie).

Yeah, I see what you mean. I think the article should call her a fairy, considering that's what Disney refer to her as. --ETHAN1994 20:38, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Why wouldn't they all be true? And as long as they are, it doesn't matter which description is used at any given point. -- 20:40, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and since they all work, for consistency we should go with the majority (sorceress), especially since we usually do not count the Disney movies as canon, so that does nothing to add to the fairy side of the argument. 20:53, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess so. --ETHAN1994 21:12, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... Well, so far there is a tie in the "majority vote" opinion. Re:coded says "fairy" now. That's 2 for "Sorceress", 2 for "Fairy", and 1 for "Witch". The article currently says "fairy sorceress", which is pretty appropriate if we are going with a Majority vote. ETHAN1994 18:07, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

"and their memories of her bring her back to life."
What's the source for this? --Elfdemon (talk) 22:12, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "But by using her last bit of evil power, she was able to come back again some time later."
 * Merryweather: Haven't we seen this somewhere before?
 * Fauna: Yes, dear. I wonder whose it was...
 * Merryweather: Oh, Malefi---
 * Flora: No! We mustn't remember her name! Oh dear...
 * Merryweather: She was a mean ol' witch! Oh no! The memories are coming back! What'll we go!? Oooh---what'll we do!?
 * The implication of that scene is pretty clear that something bad will happen if the fairies remember Maleficent's name, and they rush to inform Yen Sid that they have inadvertently remembered her name. Maleficent is immediately shown resurrecting. According to the reports, she used her evil magic to revive herself, so it seems pretty clear that she did some kind of Voldemort-style magic, imbuing her own name with the magic power to revive her. 00:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * However, Sora, Donald, Goofy, and Pete happily say her name with no ill effect before that, so it seems to be limited to the fairies, or maybe magical beings in general. 00:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Dark Road
However, Maleficent uses her dragon form to swiftly kill Hoder, Heimdall, Helgi, and Sigrun, with Hoder's brother Baldr bearing witness.

I haven't played/watched Dark Road, but on Baldr's page it says it might have actually been his darkness that killed them instead. Should this be corrected? -- mikoto 05:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I also haven't kept up with DR, so this needs to be double-checked.-- 01:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Baldr (possessed by his darkness): "Hoder? Oh, no. In fact, I'm the one who got rid of her. Hoder, Heimdall, Helgi, Sigrun... The younger ones, Bragi, Urd, and Hermod were especially easy."
 * The cutscene ("The True Story") then goes on to show the darkness striking Hoder down while Baldr watches, and then the possessed Baldr killing everyone else. So I think it's safe to say that Maleficent isn't the one who finished them off. —Aid1043 (talk) 02:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)