Talk:Riku

Cloud
-*sigh* That was hard.

Nice Job, its just the Riku Page is longer then the Sora page. -_-

Go you guys! Nice work on that...but could you guys sign your name? I mean, I was just confused, I thought that the two comments by the same person...I am the guy who adopted this wiki! Yay! Okay, now, do we need to add information on the move of Riku's, 'session'?

Wow, this page needs a lot of work. I did a quick cleanup of the Kingdom Hearts bio section, but I feel that my writing was hampered by the trash that was already there. It seemed that when whoever was writing this article forgot what actually happened in the game they made something up. I'll do another cleanup of that section during the week. I plan to cleanup the Kingdom Hearts II section. but I have no idea what happened with Riku in Chain Of Memories, so someone else would have to do that. I'm very tempted to replay the first game (which I haven't done since I started Kingdom Hearts II last year, and the gameplay is really bad compared to the sequel) just so that I can rewrite that first section! In fact, I'm going to go hook up my Playstation 2 right after this edit has been saved. I'd like to complety rewrite this article, but again lack of knowlege of the GBA game and a fuzzy memory prevent me. I'll get back to this page in a few days after I've played most of Kingdom Hearts over again (yes, I have time to do that, I have no real life) and after I do a cleanup of the Donald Duck page. -- Drake

Related to Master Xehanort?
There's a cutscene in BBS that shows Master Xehanort when hes was young. He had long, white, spikey-tipped hair. It was revealed that MX's home world was Destiny Islands. The only other person in the KH universe that has white hair and comes from Destiny Islands is Riku. Both of them are connected to the darkness, and both are able to wield their own keyblade. Anybody besides me see room for a Skywalker moment? (No Riku, I am your father... something along those lines.) 97.90.18.64 03:12, June 28, 2010 (UTC)EmptySentiment

Umm, perhaps not "I am your father"(look at Master Xehanort, he looks like he's in his sixties-seventies), but maybe the two do have some relation. --84.249.211.221 18:46, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

and he was in his 60s and 70s in birth by sleep by now heed be like 70 or 80

Well, I didn't necessarily mean that he was Riku's father, just that they might be related. Glad to see that I'm not the only one considering this as a possibility. 97.90.18.64 20:37, November 28, 2010 (UTC) EmptySentiment

Age
I know this is kinda odd. but the subject of sora, kairi, and riku's ages in kh2 is kinda up in the air. It is never officially stated anywhere in KH2 exactly how old they are. but i would say that Sora and Kairi are 16 and Riku is 17. i know they were 2 years younger in KH1 but really. look at them. no one matures that much in a single year. especially sora. compare him to from both games. the level of maturity is so drastically different and its absurd to say he got all that in one year, the voice change, growth spurt and mental maturity. could people stop saying that they are 15 and 16 in KH2. i know it takes place a year after Chain of memories, but really people.

About Riku and the Door to Destiny Islands
"Riku, likely unable to leave the islands without knowing the truth, opens the door in the secret place and the Heartless, beings of darkness, invade the islands, seeking out the world's heart"

Dont know if this is what Drake was talking about, but I know this isn't true. This implies that Riku caused the Heartless to invade Destiny Island. The Heartless were invading all the worlds around the same time. The fact that it happened to be just before they left on the raft was a coincidence. The only role the time period played was that it showed how obsessed Riku was with finding other worlds, and thus how vulnerable he was to darkness. --Zephyrus11 04:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Self correction, the Heartless werent invading ALL the world around the same time. Apparently Hollow Bastion was taken years before the events of KH1.  However, it still wasn't Riku that connected Destiny Islands to the rest of the worlds.  Xehanort's Heartless showed up the day before and said "This world has been connected, tied to the darkness, soon to be completely eclipsed."  So, it was already connected, who knows why at that exact time, and Xehanort's Heartless had gone ahead to check it out before the full Heartless invasion the next day.

Long story short, Riku did not, in any way, cause the Heartless to invade. --Zephyrus11 20:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Human or Non?

 * NOTE: The following section is speculation and theory, with evidence from the games and manga for Kingdom Hearts. It should be noted that evidence is not proof, and should not be taken as official Kingdom Hearts canon

Many things in Kingdom Hearts are left up to the player to interpret for themselves. One such issue is what kind of being Riku is at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2. Nomura drops quite a few hints that Riku isn't really what he appears to be, though because of ret-cons in the storyline (and Nomura's own deliberate fake bread crumbs throughout all the games) it isn't entirely clear what that form might be, but even to the very end of Kingdom Hearts 2, hints are dropped that Riku isn't human anymore.

Riku as a Possible Heartless
This theory has become weaker with the ret-cons to the Heartless in the Kingdom Hearts 2 story from the original game, but still a few ideas exist. First, Riku is written off as possessed by Xehanort's Heartless, but as he is a Heartless, some speculation exists he "devoured" Riku's heart and used the shell as a vessel, which would have split Riku into a Heartless and Nobody. Also, at the very end of Kingdom Hearts, as Sora and Mickey are about to seal Kingdom Hearts, Riku appears suddenly inside the doors, which is only shown to possess Heartless, (and Riku).

Riku as a Possible Nobody
This theory has become somewhat more popular with the evidence presented in Chain of Memories and Kingdom Hearts 2, after the Heartless were ret-conned and "split up" into Heartless and Nobodies.

First, Riku's body is the only "human" body that can shapeshift. It changes, in Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, from his own teenage body into the body of Xehanort's Heartless. The only other characters who have been shown to be able to alter their bodies in such a way are the Nobodies Naminé and Zexion. It's important to note DiZ was shown to have a lesser form of this, when his dark skin like that of Xehanort's Heartless burns away when he meets with King Mickey in The World That Never Was, though DiZ's case could simply be related to wielding Darkness.

Another 'Nobody' power that Riku has are his senses of Light and Darkness, abilities which thus far have only been attributed to Zexion, who was able to smell Darkness and Light.

In Chain of Memories, Zexion first mis-identifies Riku as the Superior (Xemnas), but later corrects himself. The other members of the Organization are sympathetic to the error, though, as if it is a natural thing for Riku to smell identical to him. This could be written off as Xehanort's Heartless still residing in Riku, but the new Heartless canon says that Heartless are hearts of Darkness, while Nobodies are devoid of it, which would imply their scents are different.

Vexen's conversation with Riku in the Ninth Basement also implies Riku shares a connection with himself and the Superior when he says, "He is Ansem, and he is not Ansem. He walks the path between Light and Dark, just like me, or for that matter...that's right, we have much in common."

Kingdom Hearts 2's Final Mix also leaves the door open on hearts, saying that a heart cannot be judged, you have it, or you don't, and Axel outright says that even though Roxas is a Nobody, he does indeed, have a heart.

During the battle with Xemnas at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2, Xemnas taunts both Riku and Sora, trying a last bid to pit one against the other. One of these taunts is: "Sora, are you sure you can trust Riku? His heart is just a void..." A void is nothingness, thus Xemnas implies Riku's heart isn't there.

Finally is the not-so-well explained Riku Replica. If he was a truly synthetic heart, and Vexen possessed the ability the whole time, it brings up a question why he simply didn't use the technique on himself to acquire a heart instead of the nine years of struggle to obtain Kingdom Hearts. But because the Replica's design is so vague, it is difficult to infer anything out of this. The Replica could just as easily be a mobile version of a world card in Castle Oblivion, except based on a person rather than a place.

All the aforementioned evidence does not equal proof, but is merely an entertaining afterthought while fans await the next game.

..Maybe he's some sort of Human/Heartless hybrid. That would explain why he has the Heartless emblem on his chest in his dark form. it would also explain why he has no Nobody. He's whole because he's Human, but can use darkness because he's also a Heartless.

I would have to disagree with that theory, sir. You see, the Heartless emblem existed way before the Heartless even existed, due to Birth by Sleep, which involves that mysterious dark Keyblade wielder who fights Terra, Ven and Aqua. In addition, Riku never lost his heart, he was merely possessed by Xehanort's Heartless, so it would be impossible for him to have had a Nobody either. While Riku did succumb to some degree to the darkness, he never really became a Heartless to begin with, and the Heartless symbol altogether appears to trace back to Master Xehanort whom it started with and his apprentice and no Heartless existed back then. Kaihedgie 03:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Which is Stronger?
This question has been bothering me ever since the last few edits. Although Sora defeats Riku multiple times, it seems that Riku is still condiered stronger "storyline-wise". This is suggested by (although Sora had defeated Riku several times) Donald states "But No one could defeat Riku!"

This seems strange because Donald doesn't seem to exclude Sora in that line. Perhaps he is talking about how Riku got stronger since KH1? But how would he know if Riku got stronger or not? Please help me answer this question...

I think he was just saying that all the main characters are really strong (Sora, Riku, Cloud, Leon) and that it was unlikely that some random guy they've never heard of would beat him. In terms of who is actually stronger between Sora and Riku, its not really stated, but its not really important. I guess Riku was always stronger on the island, but Sora got stronger over the course of his adventure. Either way, I dont think theres really an answer. --Zephyrus11 23:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess that's a possibility, but it wasn't some random guy they were talking about. It was Organization XIII so like I said, you have a good, valid point, and I'll accept it, but I think they're might be another answer. (P.S. Purely opinione-wise that has nothing to do with the comment and doesn't really matter - I think Riku is still stronger because he's been going through adventures too, y'know and it's not like Riku been doing any LESS fighting.)

I always thought it was a joke. i mean come on "Nobody" can defeat Riku.

Haha. Nice one! Well, I'm gonna close this case for now. It doesnt really matter which is stronger if they're not enemies anymore.

--SquareEnixRocks 02:57, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Last Boss For 358/2 Days
Will Riku be the last boss for 358/2 Days? Saxor 06:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

It has not been stated, but most likely yes. He will most likely be the final boss in his Xehanort's Heartless form.

Me, i think that xion is the final boss, and that riku is only little boss for cool down the game at the end.--Hotdragon 295 01:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sephi-Riku?
Is it just me or does riku look similar to Sephiroth, the long grey/silver hiar, acceptiance of darkness, yadda yadda yadda. Clarkmaster

maybe but im pretty sure that Sephiroth never turned back to good like Riku did

Nope, he's still evil, but they still look similar Clarkmaster

Yeah he does but then again doesn't Sora look like Cloud? Perhaps that was an extra easter egg thrown in there. --Vatek 23:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, the Easter Bunny's secret egg, now for Kairi's character, Tifa?-Clarkmaster

Cecil would be a good canindate, but because of the FFVII craze and his emerald eyes, he leans towards Sephiroth.

Sora himself can be considered a lot like Cloud as well and all four of 'em have similar fighting styles that seems to be the reverse

Riku wields his Keyblade much like Sephiroth does, but wields it in his right hand. Sora wields his Keyblade so that it faces opposite of the direction Cloud's sword faces.

Maybe Sora is modeled after Cloud, Riku after Sephiroth, and Kairi after Yuffie. After all, Sora did mistake Yuffie for Kairi in KH1. -- Morghman

Yeah well, Kairi looks a whole lot different in KH2, more like a mini redheaded tifa- Clarkmaster

some info
When Donald exclaims "But nobody could defeat Riku!", and Sora agrees, um, hello! The nobody in the sentence and Roxas is a Nobody so yes, "Nobody" could defeat Riku! Sk55 9:30 PM febuary 28, 2009 (UTC)

Seriously? No one notices
Does anyone around here even play the older FF games? D: I do quite see much similarities between Cecil and RikuKaihedgie 05:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I was referrin' to the pre-FVII games, dood Kaihedgie 17:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah...so...is it just me or do people around here seem to avoid or miss any allusions to said games? Kaihedgie 18:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

That didn't stop them from makin' Chain of Memories for the GBA, the Crystal Chronicle games, the GBA remakes, DS remakes after the merger D:Kaihedgie 03:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Merging with Riku article
People! Riku (Xehanort's Heartless) is a spin-off article about Riku's form as Xehanort's Heartless, not the Riku article itself. Consider it like the other forms our Kingdom Hearts characters use. Of course, this is not really a useful form in battle, but it's still a disguise.

This article should not be merged, because it has an independent purpose of its own as Riku's alternate forms, just like his Dark Mode. Besides, if you consider this page should be merged, then maybe you should merge the Dark Mode article too. It isn't exactly a good article itself. User:Charmed-Jay April 10, 2009

Riku should have luv interest
I think in future titles Riku should fall in love with someone, or vise-virsa. I mean, I think Riku deserves it. He's had a messed character, and I believe someone should think past his mistakes.--PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart 17:14, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, poor feller oughta have a gal by now. Mabye the gal with the trowin knives human form? Or mabye Olette.Clarkmaster 23:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to assume by "Gal with the throwing knives", you're talking about Larxene. Those knives are called kunai, by the way. And not a chance in her case. Her Nobody form was desintegrated in 'Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories', which means she wouldn't have any chance to regenerate into a human, unless Nomura put another spin on the series, which is completely liable. As for Olette, I would think she's a little young... isn't she? 67.43.20.244 19:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

actually the way I see it they all seem to have a three-way friendship dynamic (i wish to make a joke about that) while sora and kairi seem to have romantic feelings for each other sora and riku are what is known as "Hetero-sexual Life-partners" in other words they all three just sort of fit together.

As far as we know he likes Kairi but in my opinon but this is coming from a 12 year old i don't think Riku and Kairi will happen--Firaga44 01:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts will never have a canon pairing. Not even Sora and Kairi are truly canon, as it's only implied. Nomura even stated

"Honestly, I don't care who loves whom. I think you could imagine the scenarios that we don't mention however you want to. You could enjoy talking about that with your friends."

Furthermore, there are strong implications that he likes Kairi in the first game. He purposely leaves it open for interpretation.

True, but you would think that all of his time alone would get to him eventually. I just hope they throw someone in for him before he goes nuts. Keyblader 19:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Riku maybe care for Xion, but Xion is Roxas puppet (or clone) and Roxas is Sora nobody and Riku can't be gay for Sora if Sora love Kairi?--Hotdragon 295 01:30, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I really like Riku and Xion together, especially during that scene between them on Destiny Islands. First off, while Xion was having ther nightmare, Riku gently pushed her hair aside, and that can't be a mere friendly gesture; it is mostly seen as a romantic one. Besides Sora has Kairi, and there is Roxas and Namine, so it only makes sense that Riku and Xion would be together like the rest of them. User:FFfangirl 9:50 a.m., January 4, 2011

Yeah Xion and Riku should be together but seriously what are the chances of that happening? And should this section be in a forum?--Xabryn 15:21, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Enemy
Should we have a boss page for riku?(lets see Destiny islands play battle,Dark Riku in hollow bastion,possessed riku also in hollow bastion,maybe the riku replica should count,the thing in land of dragons. Oh, and he's a final boss now.)

Riku's Limit
With Riku bein' a playable character in 358/2 Days, can anyone add the name of his Limit for this game? Kaihedgie 02:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

it looks like dark aura but it isnt its called darkstorm Pokhmon 14:31, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Just like how Pokhmon said it ,Its called darkstorm but it LOOKS like dark aura.Archlight 101 08:49, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Cast?
Maybe he's hidin donuts in it! Or waffles! Or grilled cheese!! Honestly I dunno, but the material looks like cloth, but in the manga, he did got hurt on the arm, maybe it is a cast or a secert donut hidder! :3 Clarkmaster 21:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Mabye he's trying not to squish the donuts? But I just flipped through the manga and his cut or watever is too high to be a cast. ( Volume 1, page 121) Donuts! Clarkmaster 21:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

On the one hand, he doesn't move the arm at all during battle or walking; on the other hand, the cloth isn't positioned correctly to be anything close to a cast for fractures that close to the wrist... interesting... and no, I did not intend the hand pun. Keyblader 01:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

There was a hand pun? Well anyways not moving his arm could just be his fighting style.CLARKMASTER! 02:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If anything it might be a sort of wrist brace that's still soft. It definitely isn't a hard cast...that seems strange after consideration.—Urutapu 02:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Aging
Actually, I remember from somewhere where DiZ says something about Riku aging so fast because of the influence of the power of darkness...or maybe it's just stress.--Sweekun

Sanctuary song hint?
In the opening song by Utanda, Sanctuary, the line "You and I, ther's a new (and something that sounds like Le-hem-eh). I always thought it was one of her backwards-frases. But when I watched a youtube version with lyrics, it said the Le-hem-eh was land. The name Riku can be interpreted as "Land" acording to Namura (sory if if I spelt that wrong). So I was thinking, does that line mean "There's a new Riku?". You know, his evil(ish) version, or the way to dawn version? Sound like a plausable therey? Coroxn- The Lunar Brigade
 * As unlikely as this seems, it is a rather great connotation. You appear to be a quite a deep thinker! -- Door To  Nothing  22:29, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Possibly. I also heard if you played Sanctuary backwards it tells the sory of Riku. Maybe Sanctuary and Riku are connected. I think it's likely!--Ifyoucanreadthisyoumustbeasmessedupasmecanisuggustyouadoctor? 23:23, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I find that very unlikely, since Utada Hikaru didn't write that song especially for Kingdom Hearts. So she probably didn't think about a backwards-story of the song. - Ice boy Svalur! 13:01, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

hey i have information of re:com
i have played re:com but i haven't played the gba version so if u want some info on it i can help
 * Which version are you playing ? I'm playing the Japanese version, which seems to be refuted by almost everyone, but yeah.  TNÉ  Pour Noël je te donnerai le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 01:36, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Implications
I don't understand what's so bad about mentioning Kairi and Riku implications if the Sora and Kairi pages can have implications left for them. When pairings aren't even likely to happen is it so bad to mention other hints? It's good to be objective as opposed to subjective, after all, and if it can be vaguely mentioned on the Riku Replica page, why not here? One-sided or not, it's far too obvious in the first game to deny at least something.

Nomura hasn't made anything canon, and if not that, maybe it'd be better to leave out romantic implications in general or do what other wikis do and make specific sections for fandom stuff like that. Either way, one pairing isn't worth noting over another. 174.21.209.158 00:29, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

This bothers me, too. The Sora and Kairi pages list implications, so why not the Riku page as well? It's not as if it's hurting anyone by acknowledging something within canon. 174.31.193.88 18:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Because Riku simply doesn't depict the same kind of romantic feelings Sora does; the closest he does is the Paopu thing, which he explicitly says is taunting Sora. He protects Kairi when he believes that Sora is ignoring them, but he very, very much does not have the same devotion that Sora did. The page as it already is accurately represents what's there.98.223.96.49 01:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Doesn't he though? Because I think allowing his heart to become home to the darkness and following Maleficent around when he obviously doesn't trust her, all in order to protect and save Kairi, is quite the devotion. I'm pretty sure Riku states that she's what is most important to him at some point as well.

Granted, I don't think that we need to state this in the article, but I think that Riku saying "It was just a joke" isn't reason enough to think it actually WAS a joke, since 15 year old boys rarely admit their feelings; in fact, they almost always pretend they were joking. 13:40, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * no, he doesn't. He was already willing to accept darkness just to get off the island, that's a huge plot point. Him guarding kairi only came after he thought sora had forsaken them, and none of the followup games mention any intent towards kairi. As for the paopu...kairi wasn't even there at the time, and riku is basically the opposite of shy in kh1. Furthermore, there's a good bit to be said about that scene, and his relationship with sora in general, pointing towards focusing on sora more. We mention the connection on the replica page because namine explicitly copied soras relationship with kairi onto the replica's memories, with herself in kairi's place. 22:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh, different opinions/interpretations I guess. Irrelevant to the page, as I don't think it is worth mentioning regardless. 00:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Riku's possible Nobody
I was thinking since Sora's Nobody looks exactly like Ventus. So maybe if Riku ever turn into a Heartless maybe his Nobody will look exactly like Terra and have the anagram of Riku with X and let that be Riku's Nobody's name. I mean both Terra and Riku had a lot of things in common. Their personalities are cool, distant and work in secrecy. They both care for their friends, like for Riku they are Sora, and Kairi and for Terra they are Ventus and Aqua and they both drawn close to darkness. So what do you think about the theory? Cococrash11
 * Except that Naminé looks nothing like Aqua. Like at all. So Riku's Nobody could look completely different. Ven's connection to Sora may not apply with Terra and Riku. Adam 148 14:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Aqua and Naminé DO look a lot alike, Aqua is just older.Shimu13 00:35, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * They look nothing alike. And Aqua doesn't look like Kairi or Xion either. The only similarities they have is due to the fact that they were both designed by Nomura using the same style. And if that's what you're going on then we'd have to say that every Nomura designed female character is "connected"... And even if they did look somewhat similar. Namine is not a clone of Aqua the way Roxas is a clone of Ven.HarpieSiren 00:43, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Their connection doesn't lie in the way they look. It lies in what they do. Get the hint ? Kairi gets the Keyblade at the end of KHII, this would definitely mean something for the next game (chronologically, after KHII).  TNÉ  Pour Noël je te donnerai le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 00:48, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

First: Namine is a nobody of Kairi with Sora's heart and Second: I don't think Riku ever became a nobody.--Xabryn 01:02, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct. The only thing that happened to him was that his heart was forced out of his body and wandered to Kingdom Hearts, as seen in the first Final Mix.  TNÉ  Pour Noël je te donnerai le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 01:06, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

And if Riku had a nobody it could be similar to Vanitas sice they also have a few thing in common--Xabryn 01:24, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to get utterly destroyed by you guys, partially because of my zero edits, but: The reason Sora's nobody, Roxas, looks like Ven is that Sora's and Ventus's hearts are connected (and/or they share a heart, but I'm wrong about that.) Also, unless Riku's nobody is inducted into the organization, the theoretical nobody would not have an 'X' in his name, and even then, it is possible that the nobody will be anagrammed. Lastly, (probably wrong about this/speculation,) I think I read something about Square stating that KH3 will take place right after 3D, and that it will involve Riku training Kairi to wield the keyblade. Again, all of these things I said are probably wrong. Soandso2 (talk) 01:16, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't see the point of this section. The talk pages are used to make decisions about the article, not to talk about theories, right? It should be moved to the Forums.-- 03:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * ...this is over three years old, well before the split. I'm surprised people are responding here in the first place. Ultima Spark (talk) 10:02, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

That's true enough, but I don't like the idea of clogging up space. Meh, I guess it's okay whether it stays here or not. We could always just delete it. And, you know, the wiki is getting more users, but they're not helping. Some of the newbies are, which makes me happy, but alas...-- 19:06, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

"Replica" Image
Under the Chain of Memories section, there is an image that was entitled "The Riku Replica." However, the image used is the exact same image from the official Kingdom Hearts (the first game) guide book for the first Riku boss fight, which depicts Riku in his Dark Mode. I have changed the image caption to state that the image is of Riku in his Dark Mode, since it would make more sense to have the image say that, and then in the article state that the Riku Replica looks just like Riku in his Dark Mode. --WorldOfChaos 00:05, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Because the Replica image is on Riku's page you fucktard. I didn't say it was on Chain of Memories' page i said it was under the Chain of Memories SECTION. I assumed that because this is Riku's article and talkpage, anyone reading it would be smart enough to assume that I am talking about Riku's page. I guess I was giving too much credit. --WorldOfChaos 00:05, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Mind the language, WorldOfChaos.  TNÉ  Pour Noël je te donnerai le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 01:32, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * And I would ask that you have your more senior members mind their manners. --WorldOfChaos 17:10, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * More senior ? I happen to be more senior than a lot of members here, with the exception of the admins and a few long-time users. If you want people to mind their manners, it all has to start with you.  TNÉ  Pour Noël je te donnerai le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 23:48, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * WoC, it was idiotic in the first place, since there is no difference whatsoever between the Dark Mode and the Riku Replica. Hell, the Riku Replica can show up in Riku clothes as well. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:10, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Riku's Dark Mode is a plot and gameplay feature that is prominent in Chain of Memories, and the placing of the image under the Chain of Memories section would not be nonsensical because of that. Also, if the article is about Riku then the images should show him. If Riku's Dark Mode were mentioned in an earlier section of the article (and I'm surprised it's not, since he uses it in the first game) then I could see how it makes sense to show an image of the Replica. --WorldOfChaos 16:10, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * As we said, Riku in DM and the Riku Replica are no different... Whether or not you called it Repliku or even Dark Mode wouldn't have made any difference, only that it'll leave more and more people questioning whether it is an image of Repliku or Riku in DM. Speaking of which, let's have wiki consensus :

The image of Dark Riku in the Chain of Memories article should have this as a caption : Riku in Dark Mode in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories. The Riku Replica in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories.


 * There, it'd be a lot more democratic.  TNÉ  Pour Noël je te donnerai le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 16:16, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why don't we just say "Riku in Dark Mode. Note that Riku Replica also appears in the same manner." or something to that effect?  BLUER   一番   18:13, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. --WorldOfChaos 19:08, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet ! :D  TNÉ  <font color="#00BFFF">Pour Noël je te donnerai <font color="#C0C0C0">le battement de mon cœur… ♥ 23:59, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * The section the image is in is specifically about the Replica, not the Dark Mode, which is obliquely mentioned in the previous section. Furthermore, the Riku Replica is not bound to Dark Mode - it is a straight up Replica of Riku. By the same logic, we would need to post this "Riku Replica looks the same" in any image of Riku in his KH1 form. The image itself was uploaded as the Riku Replica image, so while it mirrors Dark Mode (which is to be expected), it is still an image "of" the Riku Replica.
 * I don't really agree with the need for the note in the first place, but I hope "The Riku Replica in Dark Mode. Note that this is identical to Riku's Dark Mode" should be more suitable. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:39, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Discontinuity
I thought I had just misinterpreted KH2, but Riku really says this:

Riku: Xemnas was the one who found Roxas. He could use the Keyblade because he was your Nobody. That's why Xemnas brought him into the Organization--- But Roxas betrayed them. After that I fought him because I thought it would help you wake up. I lost, but the next time we met I made sure I was the stronger one. Maybe I didn't need to fight him after all. I think he left the Organization because...he really wanted to meet you.

However, in Days, there is no "next time I met him". Riku powers up right there. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:56, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

And they don't even fight in others cutscenes like mission 75?--Xabryn 23:59, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, he doesn't fight in Mission 75. It isn't even indicated that he knows he needs to deal with Roxas yet. He's just trying to retrieve Xion, and Roxas attacks him while Riku refuses to fight back. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:13, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I chalk this one up to mistranslation. I can see how the original Japanese line might have allowed for some confusion. Obviously, I don't speak Japanese, nor have I seen a translation of the Japanese scene, but this is my guess. --Neumannz 02:54, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that it is a mistranslation after all there is a scene in KH2 that doesn't appear in Days the one where Riku says "Why do you have the keyblade" and Roxas says "Shut Up"--Xabryn 23:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, that does indeed appear in Days. It's right after the boss battle with Riku. --Neumannz 23:31, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh right now i remember it sorry--Xabryn 23:37, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Aura Merge

 * All other action abilities are merged to the character's article. If the Dark Aura page was properly formatted, instead of having the same basic information thrown up again and again, you'd see that it was not enough for its own page. It should be merged just like Cloud, possibly with a sleight section on Riku's page to cover it. Glorious  CHAOS!  22:52, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Not all. Ragnarok, Ars Arcanum, Trinity Limit and other abilities of Sora are not merged with the character article. because they have enough info in it. Dark Aura don't have much info yet but if we could get more it would be okay on it's own--Xabryn 22:59, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Those are special abilities, not action abilities, and are used by multiple characters as well (Xion, Terra, Sora, Limit Form, etc.) Dark Aura happens the same way each time. I've rewritten Dark Aura in line with our format, but it could be safely merged and trimmed even more, since the "other appearances" section is only there because it doesn't go into the lead with our normal format. The entire article could safely be a single paragraph on Riku's page, without losing any information. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:25, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

You mean Ars Solum used by Terra and Ars Arcanum used by Ventus? Okay this ones are similar but not exacly the same and besides Xion is a replica of Sora and limit form is a form of Sora so they're all technically the same, also one of Terra's shoot lock(Sonic Shadow) resemble Dark Aura--Xabryn 23:49, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * The point is (about it being used by multiple characters), it couldn't be merged to a single page anyway. (Also, Ventus's Ars Arcanum is the same thing, that's why it has the same name) Dark Aura can. As for Xion and Limit Form - that doesn't change the fact that they are separate characters with separate fighting styles and abilities, have separate pages, and learn the ability in separate ways. Dark Aura doesn't have that. All the information about it amounts to the lead paragraph, which could easily fit in Riku's ability section. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:11, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

I almost forgot Dark Aura is used by three characters Riku Replica, Riku and Anti-Riku. BTW do you know what's the Attack Card requeriment for Repliku's Dark Aura?20:09, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Anti-Riku is not a real character, though, it's simply a recolor of Riku in standard fighting game style. Riku Replica, though, that's worth mentioning, though it seems like you could just mention it on both pages. Glorious  CHAOS!  22:09, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Halloween Form
I writing it here, because here it's most prominent. Is the Halloween Form really a form? I think it's just a recolor so the characters and enemies from other worlds fit better with the lightning and color of Halloween Town. If we define a recolor as Form than King Mickey has an Halloween Form as well (can be summond by Riku in Halloween Town) and Sora's cloth color changes by Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather are forms too. --ShardofTruth 08:01, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is what it looks like, but the game goes to the trouble of giving it a separate journal entry. Glorious  CHAOS!  17:41, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, I completly forgot about that. Maybe SE had plans for a real Halloween Form for Riku. --ShardofTruth 07:58, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Canon?
Okay, so there's a sentence in the "Story" part of this article that goes, "Riku is known to irritate Sora by being a bit of a sore loser and (in the original Kingdom Hearts manga, Volume 1) very pushy involving his fight over Kairi, shown when he tells Sora that, if the latter does not share a paopu fruit with Kairi soon, he will."

Now, I think most of us know that the manga adaptation is not a canon source for information. However, when I tried to fix this, stating my reason for the edit, it was reverted. I should like to know why this is. 74.100.59.44 02:52, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * The manga is not fully canon with the games, but it is an official material, and is licensed. Elements of the CoM manga were even incorporated into Re:CoM. Therefore, it is entirely reasonable to include material from the manga throughout the wiki, so long as it is clearly marked as manga-only material, either through italicizing all manga-based passages, or simply stating "in the manga" at the beginning. Glorious  CHAOS!  23:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. Thank you for explaining.

The survival bit
If anyone's been in the least bit observant, you would have noticed that in Kingdom Hearts II, Riku is the only party member that appears to be immune to being KOed. Like Sora, when near death, their portrait flashes red, but when completely depleted of health, it turns a deep red. If anyone's taken the time to notice during battle, Riku's portrait never goes into this state. He just keeps on going even after taking a powerful hit at critical health. I can post a few vids showcasing this phenomena, but it would be more convincing for you to just play the game and see for yourself Kaihedgie 20:07, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Battle Stance
he does hold a relatively simaler stance to obi wan kenobie.im gonna also hold a poll on that soon too.65.32.75.73 22:10, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Or the stance is similar to Terra maybe something was left behind after Ansem Seeker of Darkness took control of him hint hint. Xander19 - sorry I'm still not good at links yet

Weapons
Shouldn't tha Destiny Place Keyblade be added to Riku's page after all it is his Keyblade(chain) he only lent it to Kairi?--Chaosxterra09 06:02, August 29, 2010 (UTC)Chaosxterra09

?
What does Riku mean by saying he's "the biggest nobody of them all"?


 * he has self-image issues due to his past weakness to the darkness --ShadowsTwilight 22:43, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Catagory: Swords
Really? Riku is a sword? So Sora can pick him up and use him to cut heartless down? Thats cool. Now that thats out of my system, why is one of the catagories for this article Swords? --Evnyofdeath 21:34, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Same reason Vexen's article is categorized under "Shields (Vexen)". It is not technically including him, but is part of his weapon directory, and allows easy access to related pages. If it is possible to code the category to not appear on certain pages, please tell me, and I will modify the templates accordingly.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  21:54, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Fight style

 * Only everyone noticed. --Evnyofdeath 19:16, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Synch Blade usage.
In the article, it mentions that Riku is able to summon two keyblades at once, and he, Sora, and Roxas are the only ones able to do so. But in Birth by Sleep, Aqua picks up Eraqus' keyblade and continues to use it, even after she gets rid of her own. And unlike Sora and Roxas, Riku and Aqua are never actually seen dual-wielding, instead summoning either one keyblade or the other. Is there something missing here?76.4.3.200 14:20, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Remember when Riku gave Kairi the Destiny's Embrace Keyblade? he was holding the Way to Dawn on his other hand. And Aqua doesn't dual-wield, she has the ability to use the Keyblade and she just took Master Eraqus's Keyblade, similar on how Riku took Sora's in KHI.

I just watched the scene again, and you're wrong, Riku doesn't even summon Way to the Dawn until AFTER he's already given her the Destiny's Embrace, he is never seen holding the two Keyblades at once, unlike Sora and Roxas, but just like Aqua.174.106.194.200 13:42, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomura's Director's Secret Report XIII specifically says that he handed his own Keyblade to Kairi, and since you can't have the same Keyblade in more than one place at once (per version of yourself), he has two Keyblades. 14:01, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

I just got back from the Director's Secret Report page, and he says no such thing.174.106.194.200 00:30, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * "However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater's transfer and occurrence, as well as Riku's handing it to Kairi."
 * He says that Riku is handing the Soul Eater/Keyblade to Kairi. 02:02, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

That is not what he is saying at all.70.63.202.107 15:08, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

If he's not saying that he's handing Soul Eater to Kairi, what is he saying? 15:19, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Some Mistakes?
Ok. I've spotted a couple of possible speculation in this article. First, "When the Heartless came, he led them to the Keyhole of Destiny Islands in exchange for a trip to another world." Ok, NOWHERE was this said in the games. In CoM, Zexion says that Riku himself opened the Keyhole. I am almost 100% sure this is speculation. Besides, last time I checked, Riku can't talk to Heartless.

Second, "As a defeated Xion lies on the ground, Riku pulls off her hood and pulls up his blindfold to get a good look at her. When he sees her as Sora, he is shocked and begins questioning her how she is able to use the Keyblade, calling it a sham and worthless." I don't recall there being any proof that he saw her as Sora. He is shocked when he sees Xion, but perhaps he was only surprised that she bears a major resemblence to Kairi.

I'm going to edit these now. If anyone thinks differently, just say so. 19:36, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. But if you're changing that part about Xion, don't include anything about Kairi (since that's speculation as well).

New outifit symbol...
Not surprising, if it's related to how they link to the Dream Eaters. Supposedly when Riku links with them, they provide certain effects, but Sora just rides on their backs, or something. -- 23:37, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Again?
We all remember The Riku Replica right? It was intresting to see 2 rikus on the screen at the same time. I never thought i would see that again after the replicas untimely dimise. But.. The new trailer shows riku talking to a hooded figure in monstro. And when the figure takes off his hood its... Riku! Again Riku faces himself. Why?

It could be because this is an incarnation of Xehanort while he possessed Riku's body. --Littleman 19:19, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't that make him a True Organization XIII Member?--Littleman 19:05, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Separate page for Ansem-Riku?
If Riku-Ansem has his own page, then does anyone think that Riku possessed by Ansem should also be on his own page (possibly labeled "Ansem-Riku")?--70.49.169.173 03:03, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's just Ansem SoD, before he changes his looks. 05:00, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But some things still seem indistinct - for example, "Ansem-Riku"'s quotes are on Ansem's page, but his boss/gameplay page is part of Riku's.--70.49.169.173 16:36, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * While I can see how that might be confusing, think of it this way - the body is still Riku, so you are technically fighting Riku and his abilities/skills. But all of the actions are being controlled by Ansem, including his speaking, so the quotes belong to Ansem - Riku had no say in it. 18:32, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If his boss battle is considered a form of Riku (as it is per multiple official sources), then the Quotes should be on the Riku quotes page, too. Add a note that he says them under possession, but we should not be hiding relevant information on other articles.192.249.47.177 19:29, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Dream Eater Riku
I just got to the World that Never Was in KH Days, and after the fight with the Anti Black Coat Nightmare, Ansem tells Riku that he has become a Dream Eater Spirit, designed to battle soras nightmares, and that during the process of the game hes been in soras dreams the entire time. and that's why Riku has the spirit dream eater symbol on his back. Should we make a separate article for Riku's appearance in KH3D? Ixbran (talk) 01:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No, for the same reason we don't have separate articles for Roxas during his time in Organization XIII and after: it's still the same guy. - 01:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Ahhh, okiday then, i was just wondering. Should we put the dream eater tag on Rikus character page then? Ixbran (talk) 02:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, no. He's not a Dream Eater in the sense that Meow Wow is. He unknowingly dove into Sora's dreams and started to carry out the function of a Spirit by vanquishing Sora's nightmares. He's not an actual Dream Eater. He just fulfills the same purpose. - 02:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Missing Section
2 Questions. 1) What happened to the section that describes Riku's physical appearance? 2) Is the section about FFXIII-2 really necessary? Blackchaos27 (talk) 03:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) It's under Form:Riku. 2) I think it is needed as it involves Riku, though the scene is from a different game. 19:10, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Not much info on it right now. 2) I don't think it really "involves" Riku as he doesn't appear in it himself. I see it more like a reference than anything else. It looks more like it belongs in the Trivia section to me. Blackchaos27 (talk) 07:56, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing belongs in Trivia, ever. Trivia is where people put things that they were not conscientious enough to add to the article properly.
 * See Form talk:Riku for the normal form stuff. It needs to be sorted and incorporated. 01:20, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Quote change
I've decided we need a different quote for Riku. I hope people like it.--SSS (talk) 13:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

http://sfcitizen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/how-about-no-bear.jpg
 * maggosh 16:53, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You use that way too much :P 17:59, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * People do not like it, and it's not illustrative of Riku's personality in any useful way. The current quote illustrates Riku's personality quite succinctly: he wants to explore, and he won't let fear of darkness or the unknown stop him. The quote you put just...sounds like a paladin mantra, and that's not what Riku ever is. 05:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

First Riku curiosity is mostly gone and he became wiser and stronger then he was in Kingdom Hearts when he first said those words. The quote that I am putting is to reflect Riku growth and new found strength. Also I don't know what a paladin mantra is and I don't really care.--SSS (talk) 13:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Look, you can't keep changing the quote just becauseof your opinion. I doesn't want to be rude, I understand your opinion. But we have to discuss this first before you change it. See if more users agree with you, see the opinions of others, too. Show examples of quotes you would like to use, then, everyone decides what is better, okay? I also think that one doesn't fit good in the article. - - 13:02, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * "I don't really care"...then I guess the discussion is over. 06:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Two Things
1. Why is Riku put in the Kingdom Hearts III category and not the HD 2 category, if someone can provide a legit reason I'd love to hear til then I've marked it for HD 2 as well.

2. Why are we still using the render from II for Riku? Sora still uses the same model from II for his appearance in 3D but Riku got a somewhat new render now having short hair once again, could someone give me another legit reason for this too please (other than his long hair being more bad ass). 02:52, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * 1. Because we have confirmation for him appearing through a press release.

2. Because we don't have a render for his new appearance. maggosh 03:15, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I think SoRiKa's first argument was less "Why'd we put him under KH3?" and more "Why isn't he under KHHD2.5?", for which I don't think there is a truly legitimate reason not to do so. 07:12, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * A press release is more reliable than a trailer, based on our policy. 22:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC)