User talk:KrytenKoro/Archive 12

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Only images that are important to the main articles (ie, images created by SE or Disney) should be uploaded to the wiki, as this allows them to load slightly quicker, making it easier to browse the wiki for information. Due to the large amount of textboxes used on the talk pages, images used as a textbox avatar (not as a userpage avatar) should also be uploaded, to reduce the load time on talk pages. However, the slightly slower load time for user pages with large fan art galleries is very much compensated for by the overall faster load time for the entire wiki if those images are externally hosted; thus, "user art" should be externally hosted. Glorious  CHAOS!  22:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Cast and Crew Bios
I noticed you had created a page for Utada Hikaru. I did one for Quinton Flynn...I'll handle Voice Actors, should this be the way we do things...Should you see this, we should discuss it on the IRC sometime tonight or tomorrow... I just need the video fixed. Also, I think we should only cover Organziation XIII and the main Keyblade Wielders in terms of Voice actors, as well as the main Disney characters (ie. Donald, Goofy, King Mickey)http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Quinton_Flynn - EternalNothingnessXIII.


 * I actually think we should just work on fleshing these two out for now. Two is a good starting number for a demo, and if the proposal gets turned down then we've done a lot of work for nothing. kh2.co.uk would be a good source to search for relevant info, since wikipedia has hardly anything on KH info for the two. I might also try uploading the mp3's for the Utada tracks, though I'm not sure what the policy is on full songs - I have no capability for cutting them, though. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Template Images
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Gameicon
So, I noticed that you revised the Gameicon template. However, it seems that it still isn't working. I think we might want to take ILHI's suggestion and ping some staff over at Halopedia. What do you think? -- Door To  Nothing  17:28, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. See if you can get their code guy to actually provide a draft of how our css and js should look like when correctly modified (not just what should be added, but the whole thing). Glorious  CHAOS!  19:29, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll be sure to ask for that. I'll ping an admin or two, and maybe a leave a topic in their forums. Sounds good, or too much?-- Door To  Nothing  19:32, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I pinged three active admins and left a message on their Forums. I included the request for a draft of what our MediaWiki's CSS and JS should look like. Now, all we can do is wait.... -- Door To  Nothing  20:44, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Birth By Sleep
Dear KrytenKoro,

I read your King Mickey article and I was wondering... Where do I find the scene in which you describe about the King practicing with Yen Sid and Donald and Goofy are watching? You said it was in the Birth By Sleep trailer, yet I've seen it, and I don't remember that scene. Could you please tell me where I can see it? Thank You So Much!!! :-D
 * It's not "my" article, but it's in the most recent trailer. It should be viewable on the BBs page. Glorious  CHAOS!  02:28, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Rude
Why do you guys keep deleting everything that isn't placed by you admins except the knowlegde other people have for the series quit being jerks.

You "Admins" always put small unneeded stuff all the time and you say my stuff garbage(\_/)

Look I'm not trying to be rude but you guys post unneeded stuff to look for yourself and actually read them okay.

I've read all the pages Ok and if you got the message I gave got it.

Lindworm
Just curious, where'd you find the name? Was the ROM leaked or anything?—Urutapu 03:58, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Something hit me...
--i rather we just skip the formalities 19:35, September 24, 2009 (UTC)hey, i was wondering why the weapon templates for Days was taking so long, if you need the help just leave a message


 * ...I HAVE A HUGE TEST TODAY. WAIT FOR THE FRICKING WEEKEND. Glorious  CHAOS!  14:16, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Some help
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English 358/2 Days Heartless Names Update
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Weapon Names
Lon3wolf 11:44, September 28, 2009 (UTC) What about each weapon's stats? Do you want me to do them, or it won't help?

Game Icons
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World Appearances
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Worlds
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358/2 days weapon stats
Well if you put it that way.. I'll leave them to you. But with all the respect, if the game's right, why bothering with the guide?... Anyway, this time I was extra careful not to make any mistakes. Which means that I just want to save you some time. Let me know if you want any help on the game and I'll do my best.

Lon3wolf 06:13, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Well, there are 2 (maybe more) ways to check if the guide is wrong. One is checking the game after consulting the guide, the other is checking the guide after consulting the game. Both have their pros and cons. As far as stats are concerned, they are pure numbers, you write what you see, there can be no misinterpretations. You don't need to read all this, but personally I think you would save time after all..

Lon3wolf 15:01, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for reading and answering anyway, I'm sure you know what you're doing. Just keep in mind that I'm ready to help if you tell me to.

Days Heartless Template
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About the guide..
Lon3wolf 15:16, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, then you really must do it as the guide says so that no readers are confused with it (what they did made the guide confusing in the first place). But if you want me to do Roxas' weapons according to the (+15) guide stats, or anything else on the game I'm ready to do so too, just leave a message in my talk page. If you don't... well don't leave a message! :D

Missions
Forum:Mission Articles Glorious  CHAOS!  22:29, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

In 358 over 2 days, Roxas' statement when Riku calls him sora is very similar to Sora's reaction in KH2. I believe that this should be mentioned on Roxas' page, but it has been blocked. Could someone please add that?

Oops, please add!
Sorry, I meant to put this in a new section. My fault.

In 358\2 days, Roxas' response to being called Sora ("What are you talking about? I am me! Nobody else!) is very similar to Sora's responses to the Organization at being called Roxas.

Unfortunately, I am not an admin, and cannot add this, due to the page being locked. Could someone add this to the Trivia section?

Dragonraptyr 07:41, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

May I ask why you undid my revision to the page "Saix (Boss)"? I simply added the battle quotes from Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days. Was it really necessary to undo what I contributed?

A Gift - Archive Image
I had made you this : to replace that silly file cabinet image for your archives. I hope you like it. I tried to keep to your "theme." Use it if you wish. Perhaps edit it to make it bigger... the text at the bottom says "3.14159279... the World's Only Edible Number." with the word "Archives" above... I'm sorry to annoy you, hope the times get better, wish you luck, and am sorry for the inconvenience. - EternalNothingnessXIII 01:09, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I could also make you something different with my new software if you'd like. And the image doesn't have to be Kingdom Hearts... _EternalNothingnessXIII 14:57, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Response.
Well it is a wiki, and it is for information, so if you do not want battle quotes, then what is even the point of having a Battle Quotes heading? It is not like I added false information, and why shouldn't I re-add it? It is true, I have the game, beaten it, and at least I made sure that the information I added was accurate. If you are trying to get rid of "white space", then get rid of the Battle quotes section in all. What is the point of having a section that is just "white space" and adding any information to it is still "white space". So if you could please explain to me, why are you even trying to get rid of information that some may find interesting? I enjoy looking at the battle quotes, so is it really that wrong to add to the information that is already here? I did not spam, nor did I post anything that is false. So if you do not want people adding "white space" then get rid of battle quotes since the quotes that I posted are obviously useless. It would keep people from being misled as it did for me.

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 * Sora's wandering around, and the huge Large Body appears
 * Sora: "Woah, it's huge!!"
 * Larxene does something ridiculous
 * Goal: "Defeat the Heartless!"
 * Sora: "Ah, surprising..."

Unless there's an ultimania for coded, I would suggest that this Large Body is just another form of Large Body, like the oriental Bolt Towers. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:54, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I very much appreciate you responded in a respectful, and mature way. Thank you. Please recognize that I was not meaning to be rude in anyway, just trying to find out why exactly my information was not needed. I also appreciate your comment on the strategy section. I tried my best to add what I remembered, I will most likely modify it again, this time, taking your suggestions for the quotes, of when he says something, he is about ready to do a specific attack. Thank you again for answering my questions with such haste. --Sylint19 21:35, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Vandal
Could you warn this guy or something?—Urutapu 15:09, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Help for the tab input
Unbirth and I were planning to use the same infobox tab idea over KHFR. Problem is, I've been desperate enough to copy most of the CSS/JS functions on the MediaWiki namespace, but the template still isn't working.

The template is at w:c:fr.kingdomhearts:Modèle:Sans-coeur - and the afterslashes (KH, COM etc) are the same.

Please help us out on this one !  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 15:40, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Tried pinging ILHI and GS. GS says you did it. ILHI's on a wikibreak and he gave me the coding page, but he's pretty lazy to look at what went wrong with the template, which leaves me with no other choice but to start from scratch.  TNÉ  En avant Bravo ! 21:36, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Please see this.
http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Petition:_More_Ops_on_IRC — Ghost boy 3000 23:04, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Wha?
Why remove the reference? It's true D: Kaihedgie 17:12, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Gear Lists
ok, i gotta ask, since i made the changes and put the argument in the talk page, what is the purpose of leaving the lists of gears on Panel System and Gear to include the sizes and "+"'s instead of just listing those on their individual pages? it just clutters the list and doesn't help in any way. also, while redirecting all those gear varieties is all well and good, wouldn't it be better to not have to, i.e. to have them all set to the same link (i.e. Technical Gear ③, Technical Gear+ ③ both link directly to Technical Gear instead of each having it's own redirect)? --Neumannz 22:25, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Any official term that appears in the games should be searchable here. There is no guarantee that every reader of this wiki is a KH expert (in fact, it's very unlikely).
 * 2) Those two articles are not summaries, they are lists. Of every gear. For example, what if someone for some reason wants to know how many different types of panels there are? (Maybe they are trying to see if they have the same count in their game) Truncating the list because of similar entries would screw them up, and it's a less elegant solution to say "Just go to every page linked here and see if there are multiple versions listed". Glorious  CHAOS!  22:29, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Vandal
ID User:173.71.127.38 needs to be ban.-- Ninja Sheik  00:33, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. You...Got my message...Um, Sir Kryten...Um, ID User:173.71.127.38 might have account here. Look at this new user here~ User:Q1234567890. I think they're the same guy...-- Ninja Sheik  00:44, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

ID User:173.71.127.38 needs to be ban. This time, for real. He re move all content from his talk page, inculding the warnings.-- Ninja Sheik  02:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Surprise, Surprise
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 * Why is it a Bandit? Pot Centipede or Genie Jafar would be cooler. Hell, I still can't understand why, with three appearances, they haven't done Snake Jafar. Glorious  CHAOS!  19:36, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Mission Articles
We actually decided to keep the name with the word-title. I believe that our reasoning can be found here: Forum:Mission Articles. -- Door To  Nothing Kupo! 06:06, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Heartless Templates
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Messages
I'm so, so sorry to bother you right now, Sir Kryten, but I need your help. I'm not getting mail from the wiki saying things are updating even though I have my watch on them. I'm getting nothing. Is something wrong with me or something? I don't why I'm not getting messages. Can you please help me?-- Ninja Sheik  16:16, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to change my name, but I noticed it wasn't possible, so what I decided to do was make a new account, but to use the same e-mail since I use it much more. So I changed the email on this one to another email of mine and then I tried to create new account but it said that I couldn't do it at the time.

So I was wondering, can I not make an account at certain times, and if that's not the case then was it cause I already used the email before? And if it is possible for you to change my account name that would be much easier. Thanks. --Underdemon14 10:06, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * I honestly have no idea. Glorious  CHAOS!  10:19, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Card Pages
--Lutimuta 20:37, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Hey there.

How was my minor edit wrong?

--Lutimuta 22:25, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Well ok then.

Image restrictions
I somewhat object to punishing innocents like myself by banning fanart uploads outright just because of a few jerks – especially since the jerks can still externally host their fanart and then link to it, so you still can't prevent it from being put in the mainspace by just forbidding it. Nonetheless, I accept it now that the text has been altered. I will happily allow my other fanart sprite scenes to be deleted too, as I am now externally hosting them. Just out of interest, how did you fail to notice and delete the other five?
 * I was being obnoxious not to be a jerk, but to make a point. You're welcome, btw, for the system message-editing thing. I only found out about it myself when I adopted Puzzles Wiki :P

In response to your apology for your "harsh tone", don't worry: it didn't bother me too much. You probably have to deal with a fair amount of crap, and I concede that my being mildly anal just to make my point was perhaps not the right way to do things, so I think I should apologise too. Let's call it quits, shall we? : )

Something to who who's online...
Um... GB, I can't see the link because of my computers Parnetal Controls, but don't we already have that? If you click on the more in Recent Changes box...-- 14:03, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah... but it says Last online ____ — Ghost boy 3000 14:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Oh...-- 14:09, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

What the heck!?
So Vanitas isn't enough for you but you had to delete everthing about the plot's Terra,Aqua, and Ventus. God! Cococrash11

What're you talking about? Is something the matter?-- Ninja Sheik  19:44, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

League of Villains
I only put the group of villains who are followers of Maleficent. User:Mbvnmrlpnle

Gear Descriptions
each gear has a different description for each organization member, the only exceptions being pandora's, zero, casual and mystery. is it really ok to start putting up a description for any other gear (i.e. skill) when it doesn't always apply? --Neumannz 21:13, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Side-bar error
In the side-bars, "Vexen" is missing under "Universe of Kingdom Hearts" --> "Main Antagonists" --> "Organization XIII". Could you please fix this?
 * EDIT (05:01, November 5, 2009 (UTC)) : Along the same lines of side-bar errors, "Piano Collections Kingdom Hearts 2nd Album" needs to be changed to "Piano Collections Kingdom Hearts Field and Battle", under "Merchandise" --> "Music". Thanks! -- Door To  Nothing Kupo! 04:56, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Unused Panels?

 * The Blue Dodge Roll, Blue Aerial Recovery, Blue Sliding Dash, Blue Haste, Blue High Jump, Red Treasure Magnet isn't anything. Apparently just palette swaps.
 * The first five equipments, the elemental, and the stat ups aren't anything, as far as I know.
 * The red Limit Break over a dark background is the Limit Pass.
 * Those spherical synthesis materials I don't know.
 * There's a "D" Glide that isn't anything. The Glide panels should have a red H, a blue +1, and a yellow R. The Air Slide's should have a blue +1 and a yellow R. The black Block should be an R, the white Block should be a P, the purple Block should be a J, the orange Block should be an O. So, we're missing quite a few.
 * The robots, sparkles, bird and ! aren't anything. I feel like the $ is used on the rewards menu for obtained munny, but I'm not at all sure.
 * I feel like the "P" should be something, but I'm not at all sure.

I've not heard of any panels removed during dubbing, so it seems like these were removed before release. The elemental ones look awesome, though, could we get them uploaded anyway? Glorious  CHAOS!  04:16, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Mission 00
Don't you just hate it when Users make contributions like these? Just look at this article's revision before I left it with just an Under Construction template. -- Door To  Nothing Kupo! 05:13, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Promise
I'm sorry for being burden, KrytenKoro. I'm really, really sorry. I won't be part of that fourm, anymore. So, you don't have to worry. Also, I promise not to be a burden anymore to you.

I went back there, one last time, to apologize for my behavior. You don't have to aplogize for me. I know when I'm wrong and I have to do things myself. I saw what you did, Sir Kryten...I mean, KrytenKoro...-- Ninja Sheik  02:55, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

IM

 * I don't despise you at all. I got inordinately riled at your initial behavior, but that's long past. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:52, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, Kryten, same for me. What's in the past should stay there. So would you say yes or no? I'm sure this could be the start of something great. - 17:14, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. my e-mail address should be reachable on the sidebar, and if you can't get my MSN from that, wiki-mail me yours and I'll e-mail you mine. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:07, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Curses... I never activated the Wiki e-mail and all that stuff. Any way to activate it through preferences or something? And thank you.

EDIT : Well, Wiki-mail doesn't seem to be working, and I see no e-mail in the sidebar. How about just my gmail address, instead? - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:10, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

novels
(I'm not all that familliar with how to use wikis, so I'm sorry if I do things wrong!)

gold_panner here.

You are very welcome to use my translations! I didn't do all that work just to keep them to myself ^^; Thank you very much for asking, though. As long as either myself or the site http://heartstation.org are referenced, I have no problems with it. It is probbaly best to mention which information is novel, though, because many people don't consider them canon... when I get some time, I can go through the wiki, as well. I have noticed some mis-interpretations a while ago, but I didn't really do anything. I'd be happy to help. I'm extremely busy at the moment, but next week should be much better for me...

"Last Minute to the Castle Oblivion" hasn't got any Japanese; it's written in English in the book. So even though it sounds weird, I left it like it is. You're probably right about it, though.

For the record, you'd be much better off contacting me on my LiveJournal, http://gold-panner.livejournal.org, since that sends me email alerts... and, if that wasn't where you were reading my translations, there's a much more complete list there! (124.149.206.47 20:37, November 11, 2009 (UTC))

I saw you took out the section of Larxene's page about the novels. I tried to improve it once, so this time I'm going recommand someone with good explaination details. I would recommand Sir DTN, Sit GS, Lady TNE, or Mister JudgementDaay95/ I saw the edits he made on Axel's page and they were pretty good. I think we should to the novels one as well.

Oh, and Gold_Panner, I recently added you on as a friend a few days ago.-- Ninja Sheik  22:53, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Um... I'm confused. Who was it that posted this message on my KHI profile?

I just found out that you are responsible for the novel translations, and I would like to ask permission for us to summarize them at the kingdom hearts wiki. From our Manual of style, I don't think we'd directly source the translations on the character articles, but we would provide links to your translations on our article about the novels themselves. If we misinterpret the novel in summarizing it, it would be very appreciated for you to correct us, as well.

Also, I can't be sure because I don't have access to the Japanese itself, but I believe the title for "Last Minute to the Castle Oblivion" might be intended to be "Previous Minutes at Castle Oblivion", using "Minutes" as in a record of what is said at a meeting. Again, not sure at all since I'm just looking at your translated version.

If possible, please respond to me at the wiki or in an e-mail, since I'm not sure I would come back here soon.</i>

I was responding to that ^^;

@Ninjasheik: Oh, tell me who you were! A few people have added me. I don't like friending LJ accounts without posts in them, because they can then see private info about me and I don't know a thing about them ^^;
 * That was me, goldpanner. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:28, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I go by the name utauda14. I had to use a different alias for a certain reason, which I can't you. Please, add me as a friend! I don't go there often, only if there's something about Kingdom Hearts there and I need to see it!-- Ninja Sheik  22:04, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

あっ
I don't know how to e-mail you :[—Urutapu 22:10, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * It should be in the sidebar to the left. I've enabled e-mails for my account, so anyone should be able to e-mail me through that. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

some argument that is not part of the topic above it ಠ_ಠ
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That's quite enough...
Seriously? This is still going on? Why?

Why is time being wasted on this? This is a wiki. About a video game. Why do we have people arguing about details with the furor of scholars who found a missing fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Why are you spending time arguing and focusing on personality vs. personality, when no one is obviously going to back down? Why are there people arguing about maturity and reliability while at the same time keeping the drama going because they have to get the last word in?

I have gotten comments from other editors, via e-mail and IRC, about how ridiculous and unproductive this whole thing has been. The main reason I have decided to step in is because of their concerns.

This is the one and only warning to the parties involved: Stop it. On this page, on every page that this argument has persisted on. No one is being impressed, here or anywhere, and nothing has been gained. Get back to the business at hand which is editing the wiki, and let this whole thing lie. Bebop Kate  03:19, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

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Sora's Keblade picture
Why did you put Sora's keyblade picture in Riku? Cococrash11
 * Because he wields it during the Hollow Bastion story. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:51, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

E-mail
Please check your e-mail immediately. There is an urgent message from Yer mom and I for the whole Staff. -- 03:40, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Speaking of e-mails, and I'm sorry for being a pest, is it possible we could get my e-mail option working? - EternalNothingnessXIII 01:29, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's in your preferences. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:39, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, and I saw it. However, the box won't let me "check" it.

EDIT : It says my e-mail hasn't been authenticated, and when I click on "confirm e-mail", it takes me to some random window. - EternalNothingnessXIII 01:43, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea, then. Glorious  CHAOS!  01:47, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I got it. I confirmed and checked "allow others to e-mail." Now what? - EternalNothingnessXIII 01:53, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Template
What is it this time that you don't like one of my idea? I mean with the Main Character Template it hads links to the other main characters. Cococrash11
 * I deleted it because someone posted it on the Pages for Deletion page, and when I got there there was only the "delete" template. Take it up with whoever put it up for deletion. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:15, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Do you know who? Cococrash11

List of known Keyblade Wielders
Why the heck do you change my edit on List of known Keyblade Wielders? I mean why did you put Sora's Keyblade picture in Riku's page it doesn't make sense? What I edit on that page actually make sense. Cococrash11
 * Please read the talk page. The captions you added were not in line with what we're trying to do with that page, and you removed some construction notes before they had been accomplished.


 * Sora's gallery was supposed to include every keychain, not just Kingdom Key and Way to the Dawn
 * "Riku was the orginal owner of this Keyblade" is just stupid, and the intent of those notes is to show all Keychains and Keyblades a wielder has used - "x's x-blade" is used when they wielded someone else's Keyblade. Therefore, you wouldn't say "Riku's Keyblade" in Riku's gallery - you'd just say "Way to the Dawn".
 * Same with the "Roxas's" stuff. Those Keyblades already belong to him.
 * Again with Star Seeker and Xion's Kingdom Key. Those shouldn't be named like that. Glorious  CHAOS!  10:58, November 18, 2009 (UTC)