Talk:Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance

Is that a picture of Twilight Thorn in Traverse Town? I think this game will be awesome! Who will voice the younger Sora, though?

we have no clue who will yes that is a nobody.--ZACH 03:23, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

In recent games, like Re: Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days, Osment has continued to voice younger Sora, despite his older voice. Whether this will carry over or not has yet to be seen. So, at the moment, I think that Osment will continue to voice Sora, but it's still too early to tell. Tamroc7 03:28, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Square Enix announces a new project in the Kingdom Hearts series, Kingdom Hearts 3D exclusively for Nintendo 3DS


LOS ANGELES (June 15, 2010) — Square Enix Co., Ltd. (SQUARE ENIX) announced today KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title) for Nintendo 3DS™.

With a colorful cast of characters appearing in the Disney worlds in 3D, players can delve into a lifelike story and world in KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title). Get to better know all the familiar and beloved characters through this title.

Additional details will be announced at a later date.

About KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title)

Title: KINGDOM HEARTS 3D (tentative title) Platform: Nintendo 3DS Genre: RPG Release date: TBD Suggested Retail Price: TBD ESRB: RP (Rating Pending) Copyright: © Disney. Developed by SQUARE ENIX

Just a question, If it's for the 3ds (which I've never heard of) would it work on a normal DS as well? --173.64.12.25 22:11, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

i'm hoping that it will be playable on the normal ds, it just wont have the 3d effects to it. or maybe they'll make two versions of the game, but considering this game is being made for the 3ds it probably won't.--Soul reaper magnum 09:14, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

i hope that's how it is, and i think that the 3d effects being optional is a great idea. especially for people like me that don't like 3d effects in games.--Soul reaper magnum 03:28, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

The 3DS is entirely different hardware. It's not just the 3D effects that separate it from the DS. The game won't be playable on the (soon to be outdated) DS. 98.245.249.137 05:53, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Unlock
Can someone unlock the page for a minute or two? I need to make a small edit.-- Ninja Sheik  18:26, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The page should be locked only to IP's (it's times like this I wish you could select a group of regular users to be allowed editing rights when something's sysop-only). There are a few tweaks and additions to the article I'd like to make, as well. - Eternal  Nothingness  XIII  18:44, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I know its protect so people don't speculate and stuff, but I won't take long. It's just a very tiny edit.-- Ninja Sheik  18:57, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * All I wanted to do was add a list of characters confirmed to appear, and a descripition of the trailer based on how IGN described it. - Eternal  Nothingness  XIII  19:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) If a page is locked due to constant edit warring, you're supposed to present your edit on the talk page so that the admin can add it, not ask for it to be unlocked and relocked several times. Not yelling, or anything, but that's the accepted way to do it. Could you please present your edits?
 * 2) There aren't any confirmed characters yet, are there? We just have a short trailer, that shows Sora and Riku. I think they could always remove that at any time, considering they had the Awakening and Deep Jungle in the CoM promotional materials, Great Crest in the KH2 trailers, Pinocchio's world and servant Nobodies in Days, etc... It's way to early in the development process to be claiming we have any confirmed info. Glorious  CHAOS!  21:38, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts 3DS is not RE:Coded
In case you guys may be confused, Kingdom Hearts on the 3DS is not a 3d version of RE:Coded. It is an entirely different game (which is Awesome!) If you want some proof you can follow this link....



Original Title
Square Enix producer Shinji Hashimoto has confirmed that KH3D is an original title, not another rehash. http://www.khinsider.com/latest/kingdom-hearts-3d-at-e3-2010.html

I don't want to take anything from the demo trailer too seriously, but Sora having a dream about Twilight Thorn is pretty out there. After reading the trailer summary, the only missing piece is a description of Sora after he wakes up. Is it still KH1 Sora or is it KH2 Sora? If it's KH1 Sora then I don't know what to think, but if it's KH2 Sora then 3D is probably the sequel to Coded/ Re:coded. It will be the game about the "pieces laying where they fell" and Sora "picking up the pieces" and the "boy who is connected to everyone/thing" and "returning to the Darkness to free those who are crippled" and all of that.--XYZ. 16:07, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well here's my opinion, and its only speculation and what I WANT to have happen rather than what the game really may be, but my guess is that this game is like what's going on inside Sora's head while he was spending a year in hibernation after CoM. I don't think that the series is quite ready for the point where Sora is "picking up the pieces where they fell", because he's still in his KH1 clothing and appearance, and if what happens after coded is supposed to come after KHII he would have the older appearance and new clothes right? But it seems like it would make sense that this may be a dream world for Sora because if you think about it, the appearance of the Twilight Thorn might coincide with Roxas fighting the Twilight Thorn in KHII and the fact that its going on with Roxas would explain why its going on in Sora's head. Once again, this is just a guess of mine and no one really has to take it seriously, but I don't want another huge sequel that involves a bunch of Soras falling from the sky and him looking like he did in KH1. I suppose we'll find out soon enough though. Axel&#39;s Sentiment 19:10, June 17, 2010 (UTC)Axel's Sentiment
 * If it's because of the fight with Roxas and the Twilight Thorn, then the Twilight Thorn would have to be the final boss, and I don't think they would show us him this early. Glorious  CHAOS!  20:58, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

No I'm not entirely sure of that, although you make a good point, but I'm just making the point that it might show the link between Sora and Roxas. And as for Riku, his story might be the story of what he does while Sora is asleep, or something like that. Axel&#39;s Sentiment 21:37, June 17, 2010 (UTC)Axel's Sentiment
 * We've already seen what Riku did while Sora was asleep. And if the "appearance of the Twilight Thorn coincides with Roxas fighting the Twilight Thorn", then it would have to be Sora's final boss, because that was Roxas's second to last day, as I recall. Glorious  CHAOS!  00:12, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if we go by the logic of "if Sora's dream relates to Roxa's actions," then the final boss of the game would have to be Axel, because he is the last enemy faced in Roxas's story. Tamroc7 00:27, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Here's more information:

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/18/nomura_on_kh_3ds/

Here's the gist of it:
 * Kingdom Hearts 3D's development started with Square Enix hearing the general details of the 3DS system from Nintendo. They wanted to make a quick demo. Nomura already had a general framework for some gameplay systems and a story that he felt would match the 3DS's visual expression. Thus began the Kingdom Hearts 3D project.


 * While the name "Kingdom Hearts 3D" isn't a final name, it does have something to do with the final name. The "3D" in this placeholder title does not stand for "3 Dimension," said Nomura, but is an abbreviation for the game's subtitle.


 * Famitsu noted that while the game's E3 demo shows Sora and Riku as they appear in the first Kingdom Hearts game, they're presented in some situations that would be impossible for the first game. Replied Nomura to this, "This is because it's not a remake, but a completely original game. This time, Sora and Riku are the two main characters. We're currently in the process of selecting new worlds."


 * Nomura said that the story would be something unexpected, something that to a certain extent breaks the developments that have taken place according to fan expectation. However, he did say that Re: Coded, the upcoming DS remake of Coded, would have some hints.

Not very revealing, but I'm pretty sure this is a sequel to Coded. A game about Sora's memories returning while he sleeps in the Memory Pod would be an uh interesting twist, I guess, but that could also be disastrous. Overall, it would be entirely pointless. Not to mention Nomura stated he's picking new worlds. That pretty much rules out a dream game. --XYZ. 02:40, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Soooooo it's time travel. Apparently Sora is "reconnecting" everything by going back and keeping the bad things from happening.
 * It does have precedent in the series (Timeless River), and it would fit exactly with "breaks the developments that have taken place", as well as following directly from coded's ending, and explains why there would be new worlds that should be impossible for Sora to have gone to.
 * I betcha. I betcha. Glorious  CHAOS!  03:43, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

If you recall, before Sora and co. enter the door to Timeless River, Merlin warns them not to succumb to dark influences. I'm pretty sure that meddling with events that already occurred to alter the timeline and course of the KH universe's history is what he meant by dark. And now that you got me started on a total rant, Nomura has suggested that once a Heartless has been destroyed and the Heart returns to Kingdom Hearts, and the matching Nobody fades away, the Heart and Body can reunite in Kingdom Hearts and the complete being can be reborn. Although that has yet to happen, it totally ruins the idea of permanence within the series. And then to add Sora going back in time to alter history would just flat out ruin the series.--XYZ. 03:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are completely right. A time-traveling based game would likely be the final nail in the coffin, or at least another huge step downwards.
 * I still think that's what he's hinting at. Glorious  CHAOS!  05:22, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

"'KH3D' will be a title that enters a new step to follow the three games whose production was announced simultaneously, '358/2 Days, Birth by Sleep, and Coded." -Tetsuya Nomura

I rest my case.--XYZ. 01:25, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * ... I betcha KrytenKoro is right. I betcha. -- 05:28, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Logo Trivia
Aside from the "3D Demo" subtitle, the logo's letters are practically identical to Chain of Memories'.--XYZ. 02:43, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Information
I'm guessing by now everyone saw this. Don't we need to put more information about it? And can someone unlock the page, already?-- Ninja Sheik  19:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

3D!?!
From what Nomura has told us, KH3D will be N3DS exclusive.--ΧƳƵach. 17:06, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo just wants to sell more versions of the Ds, and they apparently want KH3D to be a special game. --Axel Lives On 17:10, June 19, 2010 (UTC) The N3DS will most likely serve as the NDS' successor. The NDS is already the 2nd best selling console in the history of ever, right after PS2, so now try to imagine how well it will sell with 3D effect graphics and all of the features of the different models put together, but mostly with the 3D effect graphics. KH3DS is not a special game, have you read any of Nomura's interviews about it? Well I guess there is only one. What happened was he heard about the magic of the N3DS and threw some material together for a Demo. I doubt Nintendo is complaining about getting one of the better selling franchises onto their system, but Nomura actually went to them about it this time.--ΧƳƵach. 17:16, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

All of the articles about the N3DS state it as backward compatible with both NDS game and NDSi Ware. This would insinuate the N3DS games beings N3DS exclusive.--ΧƳƵach. 17:22, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

True. I mean, 3D with no special glasses!?!? That's pretty cool. It says that the game will link up the recent KH games: And that they will also have new worlds in the game, but both Destiny Islands & Traverse Town have been seen. --Axel Lives On 17:23, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Coded
 * 2) 358/2 Days
 * 3) Birth by Sleep

The 3DS is a successor to the NDS line just because it have the word DS in it doesnt mean it is a redesign like the DS lite or DSi

crud
it's not fair people without the ds can't play it Khruler 01:00, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Correction, people without the Nintendo 3DS cannot play this and that is everyone because neither the console or game are available.--XYZ. 01:05, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Does NDS and N3DS have a difference? And what the heck is a N3DS? Is it a new Nintendo Console? Or will people make an emulator of N3DS? — Wing Blade

It's the next line of Nintendo DS, but features full 3D effect graphics without the use of special glasses.--XYZ. 04:05, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

So does this means that KH3D is one of this console's first games? — Wing Blade
 * Nobody even knows yet. The console comes out next year, for Pete's sake! サイクス、  月の悪魔のダンス  06:24, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'm liking the link to Pete on that one. Axel&#39;s Sentiment 06:52, June 19, 2010 (UTC)Axel's Sentiment

not a remake and new worlds
Already confirmed here, but thanks!--ΧƳƵach. 16:55, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Trailer
No the trailer was shown on the 3DS so people couldn't video it you will have to wait until they show it to everyone

Storyline
A sequel to Coded perhaps and more stuff with data sora? Just my guess. Lego3400 14:51, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

According to an interview with Nomura, KH3D is the next large installment of the series and the game that brings together all of the loose ends of BbS, Days and Coded. If you have seen the endings of all three games you'll know what KH3D is about.--ΧƳƵach. 22:32, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

It is a Demo video. It also shows a million Sora's raining down from the sky. Don't take it too literally.--ΧƳƵach. 23:07, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Game might tell what the data DiZ hide in Sora is...--P456 09:12, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

New Famitsu Article
- This game is not a remake, it is a brand new entry in the Kingdom Hearts Series.

- This is the next stage of the franchise after Coded/358/BbS.

- Sora and Riku will be the playable characters in the game, and they will be visiting new worlds.

- There will be various hints relating to this game hidden in Re:Coded.

- There should be more information and announcements at next year's E3. Pretty skimpy.--ΧƳƵach. 15:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

how
how can this fit into the series the whole story of sora has been explained we just need kh 3 or somethi n else in the futureKhruler 22:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

We'll find out when the game comes out. We barely know anything about it yet.22:34, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Stop complaining and just wait for more information. --  Neumannz ,  The Dark Falcon  22:52, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

If you have seen the materials in BbS, 358 and/or Coded, you'll understand how much story there is still to be told.--ΧƳƵach. 03:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Nomura has said that KHIII will only be the end of the "Xehanort Saga". The series will continue on after that.03:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

3D = Free Darkness?
Uh what? I believe it will be something along the lines of Three Doors or Third Door. The door to Kingdom Hearts is known as the Door to Darkness and the Door to Light is what Sora and Riku passed through in order to return to Destiny Islands and the Realm of Light. We have yet to see a Door that leads to the Realm of In Between or to the Realm of Nothingness.--ΧƳƵach. 05:57, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Just because three sounds like free doesn't mean the title will have the word free in it... Also the title doesn't have to be three and something that starts on "D". It could be three "D"'s ... - JTD95 17:18, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Blank Points
This is the game featured in Blank Points, the young Sora and Riku are prototypes i just figured it out the 3 games, Re:coded= remake, can't be Blank Points, KH3= no info and Nomura said KH3 IS the last game in the trio and not Blank Points so this game is it.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 15:47, July 8, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Wait, when did Nomura state that KHIII was not Blank Points?

Not that I don't believe you, but I would like proof. Though, if you are right, it would make KH3D a good prologue to KHIII... Tamroc7 00:39, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Creation
I thought i would tell you all that I MADE THIS PAGE! just so you know and your not wondering who made this page--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 19:27, July 15, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

congratulations...?--87.68.153.19 01:56, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's your point, Chihuahua? I mean, that's great and all, but... uh... so? -- 18:26, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

So? If you hadn't done it somebody else would.... - JTD95 18:31, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your work, Chihuahua. We really appreciate it. Glorious  CHAOS!  18:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Title
User:One-Winged Angel|10:42 July 20, 2010|3D = 3 Doors ? Door to Light, Door to Darkness, and another door (Door to Nothingness?). What do you guys think?

Pure speculation. unless we get a real title with confirmation from Tetsuya Nomura, the title is not going to be changed.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 18:59, July 20, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

I think if there were 3 Doors it would be Door to Light, Door to Darkness, and Door to Oblivion (meaning door to ven) but that's just my thoughts.[8:20 October 7, 2010] Infernoxgt

3 Doors, 3 Destinies, 3 Destinations or as the 3 could be third 3rd Door, 3rd Destiny, 3rd Destination, 3rd Darkness( a new enemy in darkness as the nobodies were inbetween or nothingness thus a new enemy in darkness being the third.) Hope this helped your speculation. - Xander19

hold it, hold it! I just thought of something similar: It COULD be a third enemy that sora and Co face. the heartless represent darkness, the nobodies represent "in-between" or nothingness. what IF the third enemy represents LIGHT?? I know it doesn't sound very likely but it does make sense in some cases. the unversed don't exist anymore because Vanitas bit the dust, so they're out of the picture. therefore a third enemy made of light would balance out the scales a bit. User:Chaosmage1

New KH 3D information.
From an interview with Nomura from Dengeki magazine:


 * KH3D was created after Nintendo approached Tetsuya Nomura. Nomura has a unique idea for this game.
 * KH3D will occur in the same timeline as current games.
 * The two main characters will be Sora and Riku. Throughout the game, the two appear to be "alternating", creating a system of two people.
 * This story is full of mystery, and will be beyond expectations. Due to the timeline, players will have to think hard about the idea, as to not *be fooled.
 * The player will realise the scenario in time, but for the meanwhile it will be a mystery twist.
 * Nomura cannot reveal more information at this time.
 * The 3D system will be taken advantage of, but more cannot be said at this time.
 * The theme of the game is "trust".

It's not much, but we can't ask for too much because Re:Coded still has to come out. And it does provide proof that KH3D occurs in the same timeline as current games. So until more information is out, enjoy what we now know. Tamroc7 21:47, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

My favorite line in that interview (which is not in your summary and i'm too lazy to find a link to,) Is that Nomura wants "A Riku that flies, and a Sora that falls." Which is also the lamest multiple language pun I'd have expected from him.204.211.185.107 19:16, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Fill in the blanks
Okay, IO read in the Ansem reports the other day that there are four unexplained asences in the series: Xehanort befor HKI, Roxas between CoM and KHII, Mickey after KHII, and Riku before some other instance (sorry, it's a miracle I remembered the other three. Maybe Namine's messin' with my head?) The first three are already explained in BBS, 358/2 days, and :Coded. Anyone who agrees this one'll account for Rikus absencem say aye!

These are explained! Hello!? Xehanort before KHI is Terra, Roxas between CoM&KHII is 358/2 Days, Mickey after KHII is Coded! Pay attention to the series! --One-Winged Angel 01:55, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry! I was just stating that every other absence WAS explained (even though the page said unexplained)But if you read other comments on this page, I think my theory is slightly more sound. Sorry for typos and I know they were explained. Do you agree or not?

Oops. I'm...Sorry. I'm developing a bad habit of partially reading things so I didn't see you say they were explained. I think part of it is that I'm confused on how you seem to say Roxas, Mickey, and Riku are mentioned in the A. Reports? --One-Winged Angel 02:08, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, check the Riku page. I checked again and it said in the Ansen Reports, every other ansence but Riku's durring KHI (We've got no idea how he got the the other side of Kingdom Hearts door). And it's alright. I just hope someone agrees.


 * My mistake. It was the Directors Report No. XIII. Sorry 'bout that.
 * No, it said "The period of Mickey's absence", which refers to either Mickey obtaining the Keyblade or what he did between CoM and KH2, neither of which have been really covered. Glorious  CHAOS!  02:17, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I triple checked and it specifically says this period was explained in Coded. Check for yourself. Also, I'm surprised seeing you here. I'm Wh!te$tar on Digimon wiki!
 * That's really odd, then, because Nomura specifically said that he was referring to when Mickey was in the Realm of Darkness. What page said it had been explained? Glorious  CHAOS!  04:21, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I already said, on the Riku page. It says so right in the trivisa that becusae every other absence was covered by a game, odds are one of the three unconfirmed games (most likely this one due to the KHI style characters) will fill his absence in.--Wh!te$tar 04:29, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've corrected it. Honestly, since you can play as Riku, this would fit more as his story, but Mickey's still hasn't been done. Glorious  CHAOS!  04:58, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

so there is going to be Re:coded, 3D, and KHIII right?Oh,how the sea calls 05:56, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are no plans for KH3. What Nomura actually said was "Two projects which are not KH3", as he clarified in the GameInformer interview. Glorious  CHAOS!  06:20, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

What a bust. Oh,how the sea calls 06:44, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

THANK YOU!!! Now that we've got that cleared up, Nomura already stated KH3D was one of the three unconfirmed games. He specifically stated re:Coded was not one of those games. Finally, he said KHIII WAS one of those games, but it's still in conceptual stages. that being said, THERE'S STILL ONE MORE GAME TO LOOK FORWARD TO!!! ZOMG!--Wh!te$tar 19:02, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, he specifically clarified in the GameInformer interview that he had been mistranslated by fansites, and that KH3 was "not even in the conceptual stages", and that there were absolutely no plans to do it as of now - like the situation for Birth by Sleep right after KH1 came out. It will probably be released, but no one, at all, is thinking about it right now. He also pretty heavily implicated that Re:Coded was one of the two upcoming games, as he said it was a special treat for North America. So, we pretty much know already what the hinted games are. Glorious  CHAOS!  02:47, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

"'Translations of your interview in the Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep Ultimania seem to confirm that Kingdom Hearts III is coming along with two other games.' / Tetsuya Nomura: 'Kingdom Hearts III is not a confirmed title. I actually phrased my answer for the Ultimania 'two titles other than III' to avoid speculation that we were working on Kingdom Hearts III.' / Bryan Vore: 'Are there any hints you can provide about these games?' / Tetsuya Nomura: 'Hints would give away too much, and for Kingdom Hearts we're contractually obligated to keep any information that has not been officially released under wraps. However, I can say one of the two projects mentioned above came into existence because we wanted to do something for the North American fans, so we'll be announcing it at E3.'"


 * Okay. I was reading off wikipedia, so I guess it was wrong. But I've got a question. Does anyone think this'll explain Riku's absence or not!?!

The problem is: what Mickey was doing between BbS and KHI? OK, he was in the Realm of Darkness, finding Kingdom Key D. But he took ten years to do that? And he didin't met with Aqua? I guess he did something else in the mid time.


 * He was probably still training with Yen Sid. But this thread isn't about mickey or translations. It's about Riku! Do any of you guys even think my theory might be correct or not? I mean, c'mon. I read the other theories and they just don't make much sense to me. Is my idea THAT outrageous?--Wh!te$tar 00:08, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think the "period of Riku's absence" that Nomura was referring to is the period between CoM and KHII, which was partly explained during 358/2 Days. Sure, we don't know EVERYTHING that he did or the inexplicable aging mere days after the events of CoM, but you do see an overall view of just what Riku was doing while working for DiZ.

So I'm not jumping to any conclusions on what 3D is about, but I think that Riku's story has been told already.Tamroc7 13:18, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but i still disagree. Sorry, but so far everyone's just been saying they think Riku's story is over. And it is a pretty big deal to me. I mean, can you honestly say you don't care about how Riku got intO Kingdom Hearts a mere few days after Xehanort's Heartless took over him. Secondly how did he escape Kingdom Hearts and get to Castle Oblivion? It's a plot hole you could drive a truck through!--Wh!te$tar 21:07, September 3, 2010 (UTC)`

I admit you make some good points, but there are some holes in your theory. The data we have on the game states it will present sora and riku in events that would be Impossible for the first game. I mean come on folks, twilight thorns don't usually appear in traverse town, and neither did riku, he apeared in hollow bastion first according to Com/Re:com. also Nomura revealed in an interview that the "Sora" here will not be the same Sora that we are familiar with. also to me, it just looks like a game where stuff from the other games is just smushed together for fun, i could be wrong, but its just what it seems to me. with the other games we could easily figure out how the games were connected to a certain degree. but this one has me stumped. it doesn't seem to fit with the other games, probably due to the old wardrobe. but come on! why would sora give up his drive forms for his old attire when his old attire is a drive form AKA limit form. I'm not trying to start anything or sound stupid but i just don't get ANYTHING about this game!! Chaosmage1

Why on earth is every characters 'Kingdom Hearts 3D' Story part in Other Appearances?
It's not that we don't think it's part of the canon, it's just that we don't know HOW it fits in with the rest of the story. No one knows how and when it takes place just yet, and the fact that Sora and Riku are presented in their KHI incarnations doesn't help us. So until we get a solid definition of when this takes place, it's in the "Other Appearances" section.

Besides, it was a demo. There's a chance that Nomura may make the final product look entirely different. Tamroc7 13:12, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * That, and we only have a few screenshots and descriptions available - we don't even have access to the demo or trailer itself. Glorious  CHAOS!  16:05, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

TGS?
Hey, i was just wondering... will Kingdom Hearts 3D be shown at the upcoming TGS??? I sure hope so...--65.126.116.219 02:24, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sadly, there won't be a playable demo. The 3rd Birthday, Dissidia 2, and Re:Coded have that honor. However, they may show the E3 Trailer here, and maybe some details will be shown.

Of course, the 3DS may not even be there, but only time will tell. Tamroc7 02:47, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Super Special Awesome Dream Theory
Could KH3D be a prequel to KH1 and be more dreams like the one at the beginning of 1. They could be weird dream/reality things. This would also explain why in KH1 Sora says "another weird dream" (probs completely miss quoted but it was something like that) emphasis on the another. He could have been having more weird dreams before that one. Oh and so could Riku.

i could be wrong but i dont think sora said anything about another weird dream. I am pretty sure the one at the beginning of KH1 is the only weird dream

In the opening to KHI, he talks about having these "weird thoughts," not dreams. So no, I don't think that's the idea, but it's still a good thought. Tamroc7 03:46, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

OK, feel free to call me stupid, because this idea is just that.
Maybe this game alternates between you playing as sora and riku, but the rest of the plot stays the same around it and it is not actually sora/riku, but xion because she has taken both of their appearances. ok i know its crazy and does not resolve the timeline issue, but it is certainly insane enough for square and TN.

Famitsu interview
The next issue of Famitsu Weekly will include an interview with the director of the Kingdom Hearts series, Tetsuya Nomura. Heartsation has translated a summary of this interview and at the bottom 3D was mentioned: - The next title is Kingdom Hearts 3D. The story takes place after Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded. Now that Re:Coded is over the Osaka team is meeting up and beginning development.

So it seems like that KH3D takes place after Re:Coded - JTD95 13:00, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure they didn't mean the development or situation takes place after Re:coded? The next line doesn't tie in as well unless that's what they meant. Glorious  CHAOS!  13:05, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

The story takes place after Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded I would say that means 3D takes place after Re:coded - JTD95 13:18, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, and Heartstation also translated Nomura saying that KH3 would come out soon. We all know how that ended up. Glorious  CHAOS!  13:53, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Somehow I got the feeling that this will be another data-based game again like Re:Coded... just saying tho 17master 14:40, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think that they are just prototypes for the trailer, just to keep players interested.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 23:39, September 21, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Just wait until the interview actually comes out to see whether or not he mentions it taking place after Re:coded.

Of course, I still stand behind the theory that some information may come out with the 3DS's release date news, which should be on the 29th, so we may get some solid answers. (But then again, this is Nomura we're talking about.) Tamroc7 02:15, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Why would we get solid answers with Nomura *cough* BBSFM *cough*--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 14:16, September 23, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Nomura said they weren't planning to make a FM to BBS. Also, he's not the only one to chose if they'll make a FM or not. Maybe some of his bosses said they had to make one... - JTD95 23:15, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

The Nintendo 3ds conference
Ok, I don't know how someone has already done this to the article, but no were in that short interview did nomura say Anything that we have in the trivia section. (that and it directly contradicts previous interviews.66.56.199.131 20:08, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura: "Though it seems a tentative name, we have included "3D" in the new Kingdom Hearts game title. It also includes "3" which implies that this may be the third iteration of Kingdom Hearts. You'll be able to see what kind of game it will be like from this tentative name. With the encounters, and the contacts with others as the game's theme, you will grow with the character, with the characters in the game. But it's not Sora, whom you are familiar with. This time, you will realize growth by the effects of someone else. It's a unique, and more than a bit of a strange system, that we are trying to build this time. There are limits on the things that we can do in the universe of Kingdom Hearts, but the things we cannot do, we'd like to try them in other software. Starting from Kingdom Hearts, I'd like to work on several titles for the Nintendo 3DS."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxITx-e7Qzo&feature=player_embedded

Previous interviews indicate that Sora and Riku will be the main characters.204.211.185.107 14:43, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean Sora and Riku won't be the main characters. It could just mean that, while we play as them, nothing really important happens to them, and that, like in Days with Xion, we see the important things happening to somebody else.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  14:53, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

well yeah, previous. The game's on development, there's bound to be mistakes and revisions. Nomura himself states that the main character won't be the same Sora we knew 17master 14:55, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

READ WHAT WAS POSTED. WATCH THE VIDEO. HE DIDN'T SAY THAT. All that aside, Nomura changes bit's and pieces sure, most of the trailers and concept art show differences from the finished project. But Nomura says that mostly he thinks of gameplay first before story and;

204.211.185.107 15:10, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * KH3D was created after Nintendo approached Tetsuya Nomura. Nomura has a unique idea for this game.
 * KH3D will occur in the same timeline as the current games.
 * The Two main characters will be Sora and Riku. Throughout the game the two appear to be "alternating", creating a system of two people.
 * Nomura wants "A Riku that flies, a Sora that falls."
 * This story will be full of mystery and will beyond expectations. Due to the timeline, players will have to think hard about the idea, as to not be fooled.
 * The player will realise the scenario in time, but for the meanwhile it will be a mystery twist.
 * Nomura cannot reveal more information at this time.
 * The 3d system will be taken advantage of, but more cannot be said at this time.
 * The Theme of the game is "trust".

http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/152336-nomura-interview-fully-translated.html 204.211.185.107 15:15, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

CALM DOWN what we mean is Sora and Riku are the main characters, BUT the "Sora" in the game is not the Sora we knew. Meaning that it might be an alternate form of Sora, like Data Sora. We didn't specifically said those two won't be the main character, we just pointed out that the Sora here is most likely will not be the same Sora we know. 17master 15:20, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't say that there is a different Sora.

"You will realize growth by the effects of someone else."

we didn't say he will be different, we said he MIGHT be different. Nomura did state this Sora is not who we are familiar with 17master 15:44, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

you mean... parallel universe? 17master 16:05, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

What Nomura meant by a Sora that falls and a Riku that flies?--Xabryn 16:07, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Xabryn, It's a pun. because "Sora" is the japanese word for sky, and "Riku" is the japanese word for land. so, a "Flying land" and "Falling sky" implies, among other things, that their usual positions would be reversed. Also, I can't help but think that the part in the 3DS conference talking about characters has more to do with gameplay and how the characters "grow" and "level up", than anything else. http://www.siliconera.com/2009/12/28/is-this-one-of-tetsuya-nomuras-unannounced-games/

He doesn't say that this Sora is not the one we know, he says that growth is realised not by Sora but by "someone else".204.211.185.107 17:03, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

And now back to how this all started: Someone please change the Trivia.Preferably with ALL the interviews (as posted above.) included with EXACT transcript of what he said in the 3DS conference.204.211.185.107 17:26, October 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) That was just for the E3 demo, which was specifically put together to not provide plot information. Sora and Riku's appearances are subject to change.
 * 2) We don't know jack about what KH3 will be about.76.4.4.167 00:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Really, Have none of you realized what Nomura is saying?

Nomura: " With the encounters, and the contacts with others as the game's theme, you will grow with the character, with the characters in the game. But it's not Sora, whom you are familiar with. This time, you will realize growth by the effects of someone else."

He is not saying that we will be unfamiliar with this Sora, He is saying that We are already familiar with Sora, and you're not going to grow with Sora, because we use him or encounter him, and grow with him in every KH game! and Now we are going to realize the growths of someone else! PS. RtG

The more I think about it, the more that battles system makes sense.204.211.185.107 14:25, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

European release date?
How come the Publisher(s) and Release date(s) pages only has Japan's, USA's and Canada's flags, but not Europe's? Oh gawd, please don't tell me KH3D is Re:CoM all over again... --84.249.211.221 18:40, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

...I mean in the way that it'll be only released in Japan and North America, but not Europe. Sorry, I thought it was obvious. --84.249.211.221 19:42, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

The European flag isn't there because 3D so far hasn't been confirmed to come here yet. Obviously it will be released in Japan, and since it was shown at E3 that pretty much confirms it to be released in the US and Canada too. I'm sure the game will come to Europe too, it just isn't confirmed yet...

Also, the thing you said about KH3D being like Re:Com all over again, it was pretty obvious what you actually meant... - JTD95 19:55, October 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * ...I don't care whether or not it'll be released in NA. My main question is "Since the European flag doesn't appear in the Publisher(s) and Release date(s) sections, will KH3D be released in Europe or not?"

In other words, will Square give us Europeans the middle finger yet again, or not? --84.249.211.221 20:20, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

He's not talking about Re:Coded, he's talking about KH3D

^Which is even less likely to not receive an international release.204.211.185.107 12:43, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

New 3D news
• The atmosphere in KH3D will be different from other titles. • There will be new worlds. • Re:Coded's ending and BBS' secret movies give hints as to what Sora has to do in future titles. • KH3D will be close to how CoM had a story for Sora and Riku, but it's not like they are going to be separated in this adventure. • Nomura wants to add three new "elements" to KH3D, things that wouldn't be possible to do on any console other than Nintendo 3DS. • Nomura is thinking about more titles apart from KH3D.

Again, we don't get much, but it sounds like Sora is still a main character. Tamroc7 17:09, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ergh. It sounds like Riku will be a permanent party member. I hope not. Do we have a source for this? So x ra  ]] 16:03, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * ,i think it's more like you swtch backand forth between the two, which sounds awesome --ShadowsTwilight 16:48, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Alternate Universe
OK, he said it isn't the Sora we know. We also saw MANY, MANY soras falling from the sky. So what if there are alternate worlds, and there's like different versions of Sora? (I gotta get a bubble...) -Leetdoom
 * Bubble? You mean Talk bubble? You have to make em. On topic: No, I doubt it would be an alternate universe, Nomura may have been talking figuratively. --Evnyofdeath 21:15, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

He.Did.Not.Say.That.This.Isn't.The.Sora.We.Know. please show me where, using links and direct quotations and vids a couple sections above where he said that. He has been directly quoted several times on this talk page, and the above never passed his lips. (I'd argue whether the 3DS conference has any baring at all since iy's basically him sucking up to Nintendo, but I'll let that slide.)76.4.4.167 03:01, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * The link was above; read, for cripe's sake. maggosh 03:07, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I was, in fact, the person who posted that in this page and if you could kindly quote for me where he says "This isn't the Sora you know," I'd very greatly appreciate it.76.4.4.167 03:13, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * ...did watching the video not occur to you? maggosh 03:35, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I Did watch it, around the time I posted it here, and I'm guessing you haven't, because what he actually said was: "With the encounters, and the contacts with others as the game's theme, you will grow with the character, with the characters in the game. But it's not Sora, whom you are familiar with, this time you will realise growth by the effects of someone else." Which, gramatically is different in meaning from "This isn't the Sora you know." which was never said Anywhere.

...And I suddenly know how Hades feels,76.4.4.167 03:59, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * That quote is VERY vauge and can be taken in many different ways. --Evnyofdeath 04:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid the IP's right, maggosh, it sounds more like sora wo't be a playable character, although if i'm not mistaken every other piece of info we have on this game seems to say otherwise --ShadowsTwilight 04:03, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Quick question, what does "growth" mean within the context of a JRPG? Does it have more to do with Character Development or Leveling Up? Just to get our definitions straight here.76.4.4.167 04:09, October 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Erm, could I have the link to the actual trailer please? -- 04:11, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

We don't have one.Sorry.76.4.4.167 04:12, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

What do you think he means by that? If Sora's not the character we're "Growing" with, than who is?204.211.185.107 14:08, October 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Quite possibly Riku. But the interview is so ambiguous (as any good PR personality would make it to be) that it's anyone's guess at this point. So x ra  ]] 03:16, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura: " With the encounters, and the contacts with others as the game's theme, you will grow with the character, with the characters in the game. But it's not Sora, whom you are familiar with. This time, you will realize growth by the effects of someone else."

He is not saying that we will be unfamiliar with this Sora, He is saying that We are already familiar with Sora, and you're not going to grow with Sora, because we use him or encounter him, and grow with him in every KH game! So, we can't grow that much with Sora anymore, because we already know Sora, who he is as a person, how he behaves, some of his likes and dislikes, etc. We know/ "ARE FAMILIAR WITH" Sora already! Now we are going to realize the growths of someone else! I said this a long time ago. SO,

Whether or not what he meant still seems "vague" to you, you need to remove that line from the Trivia, since you're not sure what Nomura is saying, PS. RtG:

And BTW, I'm sure that Sora will be a playable character in this game as well PS. RtG:

Editing
Almost everything on the page is speculation - we need to clean things up. We don't know anything about the game in actuality, because the trailer has been called a tech demo.69.208.82.249 17:45, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Interviews regarding the game have revealed some, but you're right that the information from the demo is subject to further scrutiny.76.4.4.167 23:31, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Except for "it will feature both Sora and Riku as playable characters, although using their Kingdom Hearts designs", everything on this page is a result of an interview or, in the case of the Trailer subsection, information taken directly from the trailer (and it belongs in this section; it hasn't spread to being regarded as canon). There isn't much if any speculation on this page in that respect. So x  ra  ]] 23:34, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, a staffer needs to fix it, it's loaded with unconfirmed stuff. LightRoxas 02:22, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * everything on this page is a result of an interview or, in the case of the Trailer subsection, information taken directly from the trailer (and it belongs in this section; it hasn't spread to being regarded as canon). There isn't much if any speculation on this page in that respect.

I really hate repeating stuff... maggosh 02:29, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura: " With the encounters, and the contacts with others as the game's theme, you will grow with the character, with the characters in the game. But it's not Sora, whom you are familiar with. This time, you will realize growth by the effects of someone else."

He is not saying that we will be unfamiliar with this Sora, He is saying that We are already familiar with Sora, and you're not going to grow with Sora, because we use him or encounter him, and grow with him in every KH game! So, we can't grow that much with Sora anymore, because we already know Sora, who he is as a person, how he behaves, some of his likes and dislikes, etc. We know/ "ARE FAMILIAR WITH" Sora already! Now we are going to realize the growths of someone else! I said this a long time ago. SO,

Whether or not what he meant still seems "vague" to you, you need to remove that line from the Trivia, since you're not sure what Nomura is saying, PS. RtG:

I have removed the speculation. Number XIII - LightRoxas - The Key of Destiny 21:59, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

What we know so far...
I'm not gonna add on to this section. But could SOMEONE please make a list of every single rumor and confirmation about 3D in this section? Like this:
 * What we know:
 * Sora, Kairi, and Riku are all in the game.
 * The game is directly connected to Reconnect: Kingdom Hearts
 * The development team from BBS is also working on 3D
 * Most worlds will be all new!
 * Rumors:
 * Mickey is in the game(btw im not actually saying he is, its just an example so everyone knows what im saying)

If someone could just do this that would be perfect. --Jacobmirror 20:39, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Everything we know is listed in the article. As for rumors...well, I'm officially starting the rumor that Kingdom Hearts 3D will introduce Disney Channel worlds, and Sora dumps Kairi for Hannah Montanna. And then actually goes to Montanna, and realizes that he should be dating...let's say Joey Fatone. BUT THEN HE MARRIES JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE AND THEY FUSE TOGETHER INTO A HYBRID SORA/NSYNC BEAST.

That is why it's always a bad idea to catalogue rumors. (ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  21:16, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, i was talking about something different than what you were thinking i was saying. Nevermind. Forget it...rude. --Jacobmirror 20:09, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless of what you meant, it is always pointless to catalogue information that is, by definition, completely divorced from facts and sources.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  01:30, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

After reading This article, I'm wondering if KH3D takes place after Re:Coded then that could explain their original KH appearance because Yen Sid mentioned in Re:Coded that Mickey should bring Sora and Riku to him and take the Mark of Mastery exam, so this all could be a part of the test or could have some sort of time traveling adventure. --BurstDragon 10:37, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I doubt it, but its not a bad thought either. Definitely an interesting theory, and an interesting plot for a fanfic too. Maybe someone should write one with that plot. --Jacobmirror 22:04, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I edited the What We Know part! Roxas pwns sora47 05:23, November 25, 2010 (UTC)Roxas_pwns_sora47

New interview: relevant portions:
“Kingdom Hearts 3D revolves around the Mark of Mastery exam. At the moment we are continuing in the trial and error stage, figuring out what kind of axis the system will be based on, etc.”

“In 3D you will be able to play as Sora and Riku, but we are considering making their main operation systems different. In Chain of Memories they both used cards but they used them differently. We’re thinking about having two types of play styles like that.”

“Even though it’s a secret as to why Sora and Riku appear in their Kingdom Hearts outfits, it’s essential for the story.”

“As for the worlds, outside of Traverse Town and the other originals, we plan on making all of the Disney ones new.”

“3D is connected to Kingdom Hearts III. The plan is to show how the characters level up, along with the play system and story, they are connected to KH3. It’s fair to assume that the ending of 3D will continue into the story of KH3.”

“The Kingdom Hearts series has fundamentally been a single player game. Since it’s different than the Final Fantasy series which is founded on party play, the way the characters level up is different. Because there are various things that can and can’t be done, the things I can’t do in Final Fantasy Versus XIII I’m doing in Kingdom Hearts. Still I think those sorts of differences are there.”

I've added a few bits from this, but most of the development info still needs to be added. Also, all material added based on this interview needs to be cited to the famitsu interview, with the full quote within the cite, and "(translated by heartstation)" with a link to the translation within the cite.(ಠ_ೃ)﻿ Bully!  15:15, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

How much of this can we consider canon after Heartstation's last catastrophe? So x  ra  ]] 00:39, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

New Interview
OK, so Nomura recently had an interview with Nintendo Power (about KH3D), while most stuff he said was already known but he did say some new information about bevelopment etc. I tried to post the info on the article, but I can't find the interview online, so if someone can help me or just find it pleases????????? Roxas pwns sora47 05:29, November 25, 2010 (UTC)Roxas_pwns_sora47

This? 11:28, November 25, 2010 (UTC)~

YEAH! THANKS! Roxas pwns sora47 03:30, November 26, 2010 (UTC)Roxas_pwns_sora47

Confirmed 3D is about mark of mastery?
Where has it been confirmed?Thats what reconnect is about.We dont know anything about what 3D is about at all.Reconnect is about Sora and Riku doing the mark of mastery exam.And Sora going to save the ones connected to him.Kh 3D trailer appears to be NOTHING about reconnect.So isnt that speculation?Isnt this zero speculation zone? 15:28, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Reconnect is a movie, not a game; Nomura said that 3D will cover the exam. 15:37, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Could you provide a link to where it says reconnect is a movie?And where it says he said this about 3D? 15:49, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...reconnect is the name of the movie at the end of Re:coded, just like "Deep Dive" is the name of the movie at the end of KH Final Mix. The one about 3D is in the Re:coded ultimania; I don't have a link on me, though. Wikipedia might. 16:13, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Reconnect. Kingdom Hearts and I think the interview's on 3D's article's reference. 16:15, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Trivia
I'm killing at least the second one if there is not a source soon. It is completely... what's the word... speculative? 03:15, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Mastery of Mark?
So I was thinking, the reason why Sora and Riku are both dressed in their original clothes, I think is because maybe they are inside a computer? Like to take the exam, Yen sid and Mickey places them inside. And maybe it's like placed somewhere so they can go inside and look around to find Ven, Aqua and Terra. But this is just like a thought, but it's the most reasonable idea I could think of why they are dressed in their normal clothes.

--Black rose1809 06:23, January 13, 2011 (UTC)BlackRose09
 * Or maybe it's to find Mark. maggosh 06:26, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ummm...maybe it's the beta version of the game? They have yet made changes to their appearance because its still in beta form, ya know....still under development? after all it won't be coming out for quite awhile, oh and i think the sora being different thing may have something to do with Ventus.--Lugiarules100 16:59, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Why would Sora (and to some extent Riku though he is more believable) even have to take the Mark of Mastery Exam? He has saved the universe twice already and the keyblade chose him. This is like saying Luke Skywalker still needs to run and pass the Jedi Trails to become a Jedi. He is the only one left, he saved the galaxy, and he was trained by THE Jedi Master (Yoda). --Xyreco 19:18, January 18, 2011 (UTC) Xyreco

Probably because Sora and Riku are NOT the last Keyblade wielders, and perhaps because being a Keyblade Master affords a Keyblade wielder certain rights, abilities, benefits, etc. that were previously unavailable to him or her. Being a Jedi is as simple as being able to use a lightsaber, The Force, and understanding the fundamentals of the light side of The Force and the way of the Jedi. Also, a Keyblade Master has not ever instructed them to take the exam, and if King Mickey is any support, the process only needs a Keyblade wielder to begin the exam, and a Keyblade Master to approve of the wielder's success. Twilightning 07:00, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Wielding
Thats pretty interesting...wonder what made them change it.--Lugiarules100 18:10, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

About the upside-down Keyblade weilding, if you look closely in many cutscenes they do that. For example in the cutscene "The Last Bastion of Free Will" when the Lingering Will is created when it lifts the Ends of the Earth out of the ground the teeth are facing down, but Terra's fighting style has teeth facing up. Also when ever Roxas summons the Oathkeeper and Oblivion it always shows the teeth for both Keyblades facing downward but during acuall gameplay the teeth face up. So I don't really consider this to be a topic worth discussing but that's just me. LightoftheDarkness 05:00, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Primary sources?
What is a good primary source for getting KH news? I get mine from Heartssation and kh2.co.uk. -- Ax  ek  en   04:08, January 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * ...official publications are primary sources. Fansites like heartstation are secondary or even tertiary sources, and are not usable for citing. 14:51, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Not Notre Dame
Sorry to tell you guys, but that's Twilight Town, maybe there won't be new worlds after all, just original Kingdom Hearts worlds in the game. Chomper4 21:23, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Famitsu confirmed it's Notre Dame. maggosh 21:25, January 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that specific scene looks like Twilight Town (especially the square below) except that there are not that many bells in its clock tower. Plus, as maggosh noted, it's been officially confirmed.


 * Where did Famitsu confirm it? Chomper4 21:30, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * On their website. maggosh 21:32, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you please link it? Chomper4 21:34, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * maggosh 21:38, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * But it's a fan site, give me stuff that makes it not Twilight Town. Chomper4 22:32, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * You are the one who is saying we're all wrong. So, you should prove us that it is Twilight Town. BTW: I clearly recognize the Seine. But I never saw a river in Twilight Town. And where is the forest with the Haunted Mansion? And what's with these colourfull ballons? They have exactly the colours from the scene in the Hunchback. So it's obvious, don't you think?--Drace 14:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

There's no twilight in the sky, for one thing. Twilight Town has only one clock tower, and I'm pretty sure they don't have any bells on the top tower. And in the trailer, they were rivers. Twilight Town was bulit along a slope.-- Ninja Sheik  22:35, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * And plus...Famitsu is a magazine publisher. How you could misconstrue them as a fan site is beyond me. maggosh 22:54, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and that too. So, there's all the facts.-- Ninja Sheik  23:00, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

People the world has not been confirmed yet.Thats that end of discussion.Wait until the worlds have been confirmed.--The Dark Master 23:02, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...you need to get into the habit of reading the rest of the discussion and clicking links. maggosh 23:05, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I do read discussions.I am just saying wait until the worlds have been confirmed or when there is actual evidence that the world is in the game.--The Dark Master 23:08, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * You did click the link I posted, right? maggosh 23:11, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Too bad I can't read Japanese.--The Dark Master 23:15, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's...not something that affects whether it's a valid source, but here:

23:23, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the latest images released to the public, there is a new world that seems to be the "Bells of Notre Dame". (最新映像では、『ノートルダムの鐘』と思われる新ワールドも公開.)

And, Master, if you don't know Japanese, you can just use a oneline translator. I use it all the time.-- Ninja Sheik  23:28, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

When will a magazine show up to reveal the details of KH3D:DDD? Chomper4 19:16, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly the next Famitsu; we're not sure. And let's keep it appreviated to KH3D, okay? Don't want it to get too long. maggosh 19:27, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't mean online stuff. Like magazines you actually read. Chomper4 18:43, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Famitsu is a magazine. maggosh 18:44, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ansem and Xemnas
good that you mentioned it but an interesting thing is why are those two(that one?) is appearing instead of Xehanort? Maybe a subtle hint to the extent of Xehanort's powers of darkness(it's been shown to allow some shape-shifting) or maybe those two would return somehow which isn't possible unless that dream part of the title is too literal. Xander19

Rewrite the Trailer?

 * We'll see what they saw. Chomper4 18:38, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Gameplay Gallery


Never mind.  J. Severe  ( Tryin' to find his place in the world, one wiki at a time!  ) 22:36, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Always one system
I am sick of them making Kingdom Hearts games soley on one system, I have a psp but no DS, the developers think everybody is rich and can buy every system. They make one game on psp two on ds and now the 3ds. They should make it on Psp as well, see doing it on one system is not helping people get the story, so now i have to read on the wiki to find out what happens in the story.Avatar symbiote 13:42, January 21, 2011 (UTC)Avatar symbiote


 * Of course... they shouldn't respect the technical possibilities, just to make a special game for *your* claims. Pure egoism... If you want to see the story, why don't you do the same as me? Watch walkthroughs! You can find them everywhere in the web. I am a huge KH-Fan, and never played a game myself. I'm just watching them. That's for free and completely satisfying for my part.--Drace 14:43, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

It's probably never gonna happen, but what they should do is put all the games on all the systems. That would be cool.--Bananaphone1996 01:41, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

DDD Icon
I know this is likely rather meaningless, but I noticed the icon for DDD is a purple KH symbol. The logo of the game isn't purple, just the letters. The logo itself is grey. I thought that a more adequate icon would be a grey symbol like the one for CoM, with a purple 3D in the middle like the Re games. Just a thought. EnglishJoker 15:47, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you seen the logo of BBS? We didn't do it for that, and since we tend not to add lettering except for remakes and reissues, there's no reason to do it for this. -- 01:10, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea, English, but we are using "symbolic" logos, rather than accurate logos. The violet icon probably helps differentiate more. 02:27, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. It was just a thought anyway. And the BBS logo is a little different, Neumannz, because it was already light blue, so it wouldn't need the letters "BBS" to show it was "Birth by Sleep". And one other thing: it may be irrelevant, I know, but am I the only one who's willing to bet that the Kingdom Hearts III logo will be green? EnglishJoker 22:16, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe.
 * If you look closely at the heart in the BBS logo, it's actually grey. Only the words are light blue. (I remember we had a discussion about it when BBS, Days, and coded were coming out. I think DTN was the one who colored it blue...) -- 22:21, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I think it was Bluerfn. Didn't he make all of the icons?
 * Generally, the icon needs to match the color scheme of the official logo, sometimes with text to differentiate between two games of similar palettes. Also, is it just me, or does the logo look more pink than it does purple? -- 23:24, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Eh, it's in between. I took the color directly from the logo, so I wasn't really aiming for one or the other. -- 23:29, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, Neumannz, you're right. The BBS logo is grey. I guess there was so much blue in the words that the whole thing looked light blue. So I suppose you've got a point. EnglishJoker 19:40, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

New Trailer
Do you think the trailer that will come on January 27th will be the same one we saw or will it be different? Chomper4 19:26, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's the same one. It was just leaked online early. EnglishJoker 12:38, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

What will happen on the 27th January? - JTD 15:12, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * The trailer that's on the KH3D page was originally to be released online on the 27th of January, but it's already been leaked, so the 27th is no longer a special day for KH. EnglishJoker 17:15, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, the HD version is going to be released on the 27th. So it is. maggosh 17:24, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Gameplay Section
So, from the argument over my addition of a gameplay section, it's been removed because apparently what we see in the trailer isn't really anything at all, even though the entire page is made up of stuff from both trailers, videos, and magazine articles. Then I'm told that "a trailer=/=magazine article." Then you should get rid of that entire section marked "Trailer," because all that is is a description of a trailer people can't see, and subsequently can't tell if it's true. However, I make a Gameplay section, mentioning things CLEARLY shown in the 1st Production Premiere Trailer (Which you guys have in a neat little Video Gallery down at the bottom), and suddenly we have no proof? There's a video! Right there at the bottom!

A Wiki is supposed to gather information, I gathered information from the trailer, and put it down. I've done it extensively with Dissidia 012 trailers and gameplay videos, and people LOVE our site for it. And if anything is wrong, it can always be changed. no big deal. That's what happens when more information comes to light. The more information you can reveal, and the sooner, makes you guys a much better place for people to get information. I put down information extrapolated from a trailer. I didn't make it up. It's all there. Derekoe 23:41, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

The difference there is that having a gameplay section makes it look like what you've posted has been officially confirmed. We have a trailer section because that is pretty much the only information we have on the game right now, but it is clearly prefaced that it is only in the trailer. Just because something is in the trailer doesn't mean that it will make it into the game.
 * That section only covers the E3 2010 trailer. the 1st Production Developer's Conference trailer material is absent, which you may proceed in doing, RoxasNobody. maggosh 00:23, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

I have to say, Derekoe is right! All he wrote is clearly shown in the trailer. It's no rumor or speculation but officially anounced. I mean... what is a trailer, if not an official announcement? Don't you think, it was Nomura, who has decided, what to put in the video? So where is the difference between the trailer and an interview, or something? Of course, all informations of the trailer can change later in development... that's true... but does that mean, the informations of an official interview can not change?

Don't get me wrong, I really respect you guys for always looking at the source of all the informations. But that can be exaggerated, too. I mean, isn't that the purpose of wikias? To gather informations and correct them if they *really* seem to be wrong. That's what I (as one of your readers) would expect anyway... for me, it's just another reason to follow the page. --Drace 01:44, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Trailers are not always accurate. When early trailers of BBS came out, even those with gameplay, they had scenes and gameplay mechanics absent from the final game. 01:49, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, all gameplay mechanics were present; you're thinking of the interface that was changed. With the exception of the DKSigma3 trailer, of course. maggosh 02:57, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * either way, things changed, which means that the early trailers aren't 100% accurate. that's why we still aren't using the 3D game icon on any of the pages, even though the trailers clearly showed tons of stuff that we could use it on-- 03:16, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * But they should be on Sora and Riku's pages because Nomura himself said they're in for sure. maggosh 03:18, January 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * And that's why we should fear these informations and ignore them? Isn't there a difference between "wrong" and "most likely, but may change later"? Why is the trailer still on the page, if it can't be trusted? Why was the page once called "3D"... we knew, it is just a tentative title. That just makes no sense. Seriously... if we're all always afraid of unprobable changes of informations *in the future*, we should close this whole page! EVERYTHING can change later, started by the title, down to the story and ended by the gallery. Come on, it's ridicoulus! We can always just put the actual informations on this wiki... every reader knows that! This is still just a fanpage, not the Now York Times, or something. And I still don't get, why the trailer isn't a trustable source, but the first look on the E3 is. Why do you think, informations out of an interview can NOT change later? I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed. I thought a good wiki should be as informative as possible and not just trustfully. Of course, it's important to look at the source, but this is just exaggerated. Drace 12:29, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

I've just got to say, putting in "gameplay info" just based on snapshots from trailers is one of the few things I heavily dislike about the FFWiki. And my mind is boggled on how you could interpret any gameplay out of that thing - we saw a few shots of Riku bouncing off walls, and Sora gliding, neither of which are actual gameplay mechanics; just like "sticking his Keyblade down Cerberus's gullet" is not a gameplay mechanic of Kingdom Hearts II. Furthermore, "The more information you can reveal, and the sooner, makes you guys a much better place for people to get information." is only true if your information is useful and accurate - speculations on a game no one will be able to play for many months absolutely fail those criteria. 22:18, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see.

Based on the Square-Enix's 1st Production Premiere Conference trailer, gameplay seems to feature the Command Deck system used in Birth by Sleep and Re:coded (or something similar to it). In the trailer their deck contains the staple Fire, Thunder, and Blizzard commands, as well as the normal Attack command. Sora and Riku also have access to the new, purple "Drop" meter, although the mechanics of it have not yet been revealed. Sora and Riku also seem to be able to perform many acrobatic maneuvers, seen grinding on railings, jumping back and forth off walls, and swinging from lamp poles while they attack Heartless.

You didn't see a problem with this? The tone of constant confusion and speculation makes us seem like we're stoners or something. 22:24, January 25, 2011 (UTC)