KHWiki:Pages for deletion/Archives/2009 JanMar

This is an archive page for deletion discussions on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki for January, February, and March 2009. These discussions are considered closed. Please bring up any further issues on the current deletions page.

Disorganizationxiii[edit]

I think Disorganizationxiii needs to be Deletion. its fan stuff. so I'll leave you guys to remove itEliskuya2 17:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I object. It's really the best out of all parodies out there and clearly deserves its own wiki. It's not really fan stuff. If it were fan stuff, it would just be somebody saying, "I LOVE ORGANIZATION XIII!" or just put random pics and facts about kingdom hearts on the page. It's an official series that should be kept here. Please. I worked forever on that page.

We don't do fan works here, unless it's on a user page. And even then, we're not big fans of shameless self-promotion. Deleted. BebopKate 02:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

well its up again bebop can we just block things like thatEliskuya2 04:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Did someone just roll back the changes to Disorganization XIII ? o.O It's the same as I last saw it.

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they need to make a wiki for all fan things etc. and I hope this time it gets deletionEliskuya2 04:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

yeah. I mean, KHWiki is meant for official KH stuff. For a moment there I was all fascinated with the idea of Disorganization XIII, but na, it shouldn't take its place here.

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yeah let my friend bebop duel with it. and troisnyxetienne come to my page if you need some hints on KHEliskuya2 16:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

XienZo got it the other two times. Protected now, and if it somehow reappears, the poster is banned. BebopKate 02:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

if I see an other I well late you guys duel with it peaceEliskuya2 02:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Eliskuya2: Sure thing. :) I'm counting on you for that one.

BebopKate: I have a feeling something's seriously wrong. When did you guys last delete the page ?

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Today. It's protected, so we should be fine for now. BebopKate 04:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

its back and I find who makes the thing its DISORGANIZATIONXIIILOVER Eliskuya2 21:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk about someone who is true to his name. Guys, can we get the thing deleted and barred already ?

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I am with you troisnyxetEliskuya2 05:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

He's posting under multiple IPs, so we can only ban the IPs he posts under and block the article names. If this continues, I will alert the Wikia admins to help us out. In the meantime, just post here to let XienZo or me know to delete and keep wiking away as normal. I have also alerted the Disorganization XIII people to keep our bases covered. Just console yourself that you have more of a life than this guy does. ^_^ BebopKate 05:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Eliskuya2: thankies. and thank goodness you didn't call me trois ^_^

BebopKate: I'm beginning to wonder if that's all the author of DXIII does with his life. Honestly. I mean, how does he gain access to that many computers ?

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I think if I see an other again block the user and the site to the "Disorganizationxiii" thing as well and good night brother Bebop and sister TroisnyxeEliskuya2 11:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Oyasumi nasai !

Er, by the way. Just how do we block a user ? o.O

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Only admins have the power to block users, so right now it's mostly me and XienZo doing the job. And we can only block them if they have one IP address or a username. If they are posting from multiple IPs like some of our more famous past trolls have done, there's really nothing we can do other than block the IPs they are using and protect the pages. Wikia is working on a way to block people who abuse IPs, but it's a long way off in getting done. The only thing we can do at the moment is what we've been doing: revert, protect, and ban. For the record, I think you guys are doing a wonderful job of fixing and keeping up with these things; it's been a huge help to me and XienZo. Just be patient and understand that with the good of the wiki (free editing) comes the bad (vandalizing jerks and trolls).

By the way, I feel this needs to be said: DO NOT SPAM OR DOWNVOTE THE DISORGANIZATION XIII YOUTUBE CHANNEL! The people behind it are not the ones who are doing this; I have been in contact with them. It is one of their fans. They are looking around on their end and have made it clear they are not any happier about it than we are, and have apologized for it. I hope whoever has been doing this realizes the potential damage he or she is doing to something they apparently enjoy. BebopKate 18:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Far as I know, I never downvoted Disorganization XIII before... I'm yet to watch them, actually. But darn it man. Now we are plagued by this jerk who keeps changing computers like anything !

ugh, and I realised that this is the longest discussion in pages for deletion.

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There's a page called TroisNyxEtienneText, under templates[edit]

Please do me a favour and remove it. At the time of creation I had just started using Wikia and I had no idea about the Sandbox. That page is kinda redundant now because I've already got my own talk template.

Thanks !

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Got it. Thanks for letting us know. ^_^ BebopKate 05:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't mention it. Oh, thank goodness it's gone !

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Arch Behemoth and Destroyed Behemoth[edit]

The two articles are stubs, and the two enemies are palette swaps of the original Behemoth. Methinks they should be removed and fused with the original Behemoth, and their appearances should be listed there as well. Just like we did for Rune Master and all those other palette-swap Final Mix enemies. What do you think ?

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If that's the case, definitely. I'd only make another page if the stats and abilities were different. A redirect from Arch Behemoth and Destroyed Behemoth would be a good idea, too. BebopKate 21:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

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I don't agree with this. Destroyed Behemoth and Arch Behemoth are still different enemies, they've been given their own titles in the journal, and our manual of style states that every enemy gets it's own article. Just because they look similar doesn't change the fact that they're different enemies, if that were the case, you might as well merge Red Nocturne, Blue Rhapsody, ect. together. Those two Behemoth pages just need a little work.

Come to think of it, the Rune Master and the Bookmaster are two different Heartless too. Spring Metal and Emerald Blues are different. But what can unite them in one page is their fighting style. Thing about Arch Behemoth, Destroyed Behemoth and the real deal is this - their fighting style is no different (even if there's no proper sequence to their attacks). Maybe the only thing that differs is the amount of experience gained from each boss, but honestly, what can we talk about for Arch Behemoth and Destroyed Behemoth ?

Of course, you can't do the same for Red Nocturne/Blue Rhapsody because of their different element and fighting style. Same goes for Crimson Jazz/Emerald Blues. But ultimately, we've gotta combine enemies with the same moves in the same page, don't you think ?

I'm already running out of words to put in those two articles - 'cause there's just too little to think of.

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For those who don't know (and from what I understand), there were two types of enemy changes made in Final Mix: ones like Sniper Wild, Pink Agaricus, and others that were based on existing Heartless, but had their own movesets and abilities. Then, there were ones like Behemoth (along with Red Armor, Stealth Sneak, and a few others) which were little more than a palette swap, a new name, and a new journal entry; however, their fighting styles are exactly the same, with no new abilities added or old ones taken away.

While the Manual of Style does say that all enemies get their own page, I don't think it anticipated a situation like this. I have a feeling that this will happen again as new games and new versions of old games come out, so this is probably a good time to set down some rules for this situation.

So...any other editors have any feelings on the Behemoth Conundrum? Honestly, it seems kind of silly to me to make two pages that are practically identical other than the game involved and the picture with it, but I'll go with majority rule (unless we get silly about this. ^_^)

Guardian Soul ^Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello?

_{It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}}

Well, I suppose you can just add them to the Behemoth page, but I think that if we're going to do that, then there are some other similar enemies that should be grouped together.

If there's an evident difference in fighting style between two similar-looking enemies, then they should have their separate pages. Palette swaps should be combined. Or at least, I'm upholding that view. The same goes for Trick Ghost and Magic Ghost, their pages can be combined into one.

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As of now, the Behemoth article does not mention Arc or Destroyed Behemoth's at all, and in fact incorrectly reports that regular Behemoth's were seen in the 1000 Heartless battle. Before any deletions occur, how about the sections be merged first?

A the Digimon Wiki, we've had a similar problem, and we've dealt with it with a middle ground between the two positions advocated here. As seen in articles like this one, each version of a "type" of enemy is given a section in the page - kind of like a list article. This method could also be applied to Red Nocturne types, so that there's not too much hair-splitting and argumentation - all of that "type" of enemy is in one article, but each gets its own section. So, Soldiers and Stealth Soldiers would be on one page, all five types of mushrooms, etc. The only problem then is figuring out a name for the entire article - I would suggest Behemoth Heartless, Wizard Heartless (as the rhapsodies/nocturnes are all said to be a subset of Wizard class), Soldier Heartless, Mushroom Heartless, etc. (or some version of that naming scheme). This way, you could

Get rid of short, stubby articles, by changing them into short sections of a larger page
Allow readers to directly and easily compare variations of a central theme
Allow editors to see how the other sections are formatted, allowing for greater unity of article design between similar enemies.

Really, the only problem with this approach is determining the name of the merged article, but that shouldn't be too hard.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 20:20, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

So, that means we group Heartless of similar "species" into one article ? Sounds good to me.

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