Editing Forum:Talkbubble Templates and User Images

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{{Xion4ever|time=23:39, January 24, 2010 (UTC)|text=Over the past few days user images and user talk templates have gone insane. Have we set a max to images users can upload to use on their userpage? Or must they be linked through Photobucket? Also, wasn't there a max of seven talkbubble images for user talk templates? This really hasn't been a problem (that I recall) until now. I am in no way being trying to be mean or "step on any toes," but something must be done. Please see:
<big> Talk Templates</big>

'''[[Template:ZTG|Example 1]]'''   19 talkbubbles

'''[[Template:KKD|Example 2]]'''   26 talkbubbles

'''[[Template:Saxisai|Example 3]]''' 23 talkbubbles

I know making/using talkbubbles can be fun and all but there has to be a limit. Users will never use all those talkbubbles, plus the coding is insane. 

<big> User Images</big>

As of late there has been an increase in user images (that break the image policy). There was a discussion about this problem earler; see [[Forum:User Images|here]]. 

'''[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/upload Upload log]'''

'''[[Category:User Images]]'''

'''[[User:One-Winged Angel|Example 1]]''' 10 (including talkbubble images that break image policy)

'''[[User:Dreambend5/Keyblades|Example 2]]''' 30

'''[[User:Dreambend5/Tomahawks|Example 3]]''' 2

'''[[User:Marexl/Gallery|Example 4]]''' 7

<small>and the list continues</small>

If you'll look through the User Images category, you'll find numerous images that aren't being used/break the image policy/not needed/should be uploaded through Photobucket.

This has been a growing problem as of late, and I've yet to find a rule saying what is and is not allowed. I have nothing against a user having a couple of images on their userpage or a few on their talktemplate, but there has to be a limit.}}
{{LA|Vtext=I have mixed feelings about this, Xion4Ever.

I disagree with you on the matter of talk bubbles. It's not like having a lot of talk bubbles is bad, and if you think about it, it doesn't violate the rules at all. I agree, however, that the number of talkbubbles some users have is ridiculous, but it's their own dang fault. If they want to handle that many, they may choose to do so, as long as incorrect coding doesn't mess up their template.

I do agree with you, however, on the matter of user images. Uploading user images is a direct violation to the Manual of Style, as user images count as fanart, and I agree that all images should be uploaded from photobucket. I'll admit that I've uploaded some user images, but that was before I knew of the rule, and they have been put up for deletion. 

Talkbubble images are, however, a different case. Most talkbubbles are used publicly by the user, and it is difficult to put talkbubbe images in templates from photobucket. So, I say, no fanart, yes talkbubble images.}}
{{Xion4ever|time=03:01, January 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=Talkbubbles I can somewhat understand, but I still believe having over seven is insane. The coding is ridiculous, changing the coding is a pain, plus if you delete any of the coding/swap the talkbubbles out, you'll have to add/change the talkbubbles accordingly (creating a problem on user talkpages).

But I digress, I thought every user was allowed a '''couple''' of user images to use (this was before the Photopbucket linking, however) and it might've changed.}}
{{LA|Vtext=Ridiculous as it may be, I still think that the user can choose how many they can have. If the coding gets messed up, undo the edit. Simple as that. Besides, the users who have the most talk bubbles know what they're doing (besides ZTG, I made all of those for him), and if they mess up, they know how to change it.

I'm not trying to start a big argument, I'm just thinking about what the other users will react to a rule like that. Who knows. I'll go get KKD and Saxisai, and see what they think.}}

{{KKD|time=13:23, January 26, 2010 (UTC)|sora=I really think this is stupid. It doesn't pose a problem to the rest of the wiki, so why the complaint? unless the user has really screwed up his template and  cannot fix it him/herself, than I don't see a problem with having that many talk bubbles. However, I did just make a lab, so i'm ok if we set rules on this. But there would be one issue. all of the talk bubbles that I would take off would leave messed up coding wherever I used them. The damage is done, too late to reverse. and I do use all of my talk bubbles on a regular basis.}}
{{Randomnessity|isa=Frankly I don't see how having over seven is insane. The coding is very easy to memorize when you get used to it, so unless you're a user who doesn't know what he or she is doing it isn't difficult. Just so long as you don't screw up other talkpages. But really if everything is fine I don't see a reason to get rid of some talkbubbles. Just like KKD said, if he got rid of all of his talkbubbles except a few there would be a lot of empty spaces. I just got rid of a few and there were a lot. KKD and Saxisai know what they're doing. ZTG.... Not so much. But maybe until he understands we can keep him away from his talkbubbles.

I see that an overload could be a disaster in the making, but that's the beauty of "undo". I basically agree with LA and KKD on this one. Just so long as you're careful.}}
{{MM841|18:12, January 26, 2010 (UTC)|My views on the user images have not changed since the last forum about this. There really is no need for people to uplad 35 images from a crappy anime or something like that. It floods the RC, and I hate that. Also, if this is not kept in check, the wiki will be over-run with these images. On the issue of multiple talk bubbles, I really see no point of it. Why do you people need more than one? What purpose can having multiple talk bubbles possibly serve?}}
{{Randomnessity|isa=Well many of us like to have emotions to come with our talkbubble. I could easily do without(I mainly use this Isa bubble)but if you can have more than one, why not? If you screw it up as I said before just simply undo the edit you made. It's fairly simple and anyone who knows what they are doing will make them correctly. Just as I said before. So in answer to your inquiry it is simply for the sake of emotions.}}
{{BebopKate|time=22:50, January 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=Ah, looks like we missed some images from our last clean out; all of those were dated from ages ago.  Thanks for letting us know about them, Xion; I'll take care of them.

As for the talk bubbles, I have no issues with them if a user wants multiples; as long as they keep them to one page and remain responsible for the coding and maintenance, I'm not going to concern myself with them.  The only issue I have is if someone is uploading massive amounts of non-wiki material to use as their avatar; one or two is fine; ten is not.  It looks like those folks all use existing avatars, however, so as long as they can keep up with them and don't cause broken links or other page issues, I don't have a problem.

ETA: Oh, and the image/talk bubble/user page policies are all on or linked to the [[Help:Guide For New Members|New Member Guide]] now.}}
{{Xion4ever|time=23:33, January 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=@ Kate: No problem, I'll finish searching through the user image category for any stragglers.

I'm sure the multiple talkbubbles (more than seven) will later turn into a problem; eventually one user with thirty talkbubbles will delete some.. But I digress, its safe to conclude (for now) that multiple talkbubbles are okay as long as they don't break any of the rules Kate has said and that users are allowed a couple of user images. Is there anything I missed in the conclusion?

Edit 02:10, January 27, 2010 (UTC): I went through the [[Category:User Images]] template; could an admin go back over to see if I missed anything. Also, some of the images have two category titles (User Images and Articles for Deletion), mainly because my computer is being a pain. -_-}}
{{MM841|21:09, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|I am going to start deleting them now. Thanks for your help Xion4ever. If anybody has any objections, speak quickly.<br>'''EDIT:''' http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp262/MM841/deletionspree-1.jpg <br>Done.}}
{{BebopKate|time=22:29, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=Good grief, man!  That's got to be some kind of record.  I honestly thought we got rid of most of that stuff ages ago.  Guess it just slipped in-between the updates.}}
{{Xion4ever|time=22:41, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=Your welcome, thanks (both of you) for deleting them! ^^ Oh and Ultima that is an insane amount of edits.. Haha, you didn't plan this all along did you? <small> Just kidding!</small>}}
{{MM841|23:26, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|I think it is a record, but that does not matter really. What matters is that deleting things is super fun. Oh, and i have been planning to delete all the items in the articles for deletion category, but I just had not found any free time up until today.}}
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 As for the talk bubbles, I have no issues with them if a user wants multiples; as long as they keep them to one page and remain responsible for the coding and maintenance, I'm not going to concern myself with them.  The only issue I have is if someone is uploading massive amounts of non-wiki material to use as their avatar; one or two is fine; ten is not.  It looks like those folks all use existing avatars, however, so as long as they can keep up with them and don't cause broken links or other page issues, I don't have a problem.
-ETA: Oh, and the image/talk bubble/user page policies are all on or linked to the [[Help:New user guide|New Member Guide]] now.}}
+ETA: Oh, and the image/talk bubble/user page policies are all on or linked to the [[Help:Guide For New Members|New Member Guide]] now.}}
 {{Xion4ever|time=23:33, January 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=@ Kate: No problem, I'll finish searching through the user image category for any stragglers.
 I'm sure the multiple talkbubbles (more than seven) will later turn into a problem; eventually one user with thirty talkbubbles will delete some.. But I digress, its safe to conclude (for now) that multiple talkbubbles are okay as long as they don't break any of the rules Kate has said and that users are allowed a couple of user images. Is there anything I missed in the conclusion?
-Edit 02:10, January 27, 2010 (UTC): I went through the [[Category:User images]] template; could an admin go back over to see if I missed anything. Also, some of the images have two category titles (User Images and Articles for Deletion), mainly because my computer is being a pain. -_-}}
+Edit 02:10, January 27, 2010 (UTC): I went through the [[Category:User Images]] template; could an admin go back over to see if I missed anything. Also, some of the images have two category titles (User Images and Articles for Deletion), mainly because my computer is being a pain. -_-}}
 {{MM841|21:09, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|I am going to start deleting them now. Thanks for your help Xion4ever. If anybody has any objections, speak quickly.<br>'''EDIT:''' http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp262/MM841/deletionspree-1.jpg <br>Done.}}
 {{BebopKate|time=22:29, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=Good grief, man!  That's got to be some kind of record.  I honestly thought we got rid of most of that stuff ages ago.  Guess it just slipped in-between the updates.}}
 {{Xion4ever|time=22:41, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=Your welcome, thanks (both of you) for deleting them! ^^ Oh and Ultima that is an insane amount of edits.. Haha, you didn't plan this all along did you? <small> Just kidding!</small>}}
 {{MM841|23:26, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|I think it is a record, but that does not matter really. What matters is that deleting things is super fun. Oh, and i have been planning to delete all the items in the articles for deletion category, but I just had not found any free time up until today.}}
-{{ZTG|time=22:28, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|mickey=Personally I think a user should be able to have as many as they want. I fell special though, I was mentioned 3 times! Still to Random and LA, I know how to make them now, so I know what I am doing. I even made Sonic123678 a talkbubble. Still, I really think that we can have as many as we want. Oh yeah, Xion, you may want to change example 1 to 28. I will get rid of all of my talkbubbles if one asks. I will be lazy and save to coding to a word document. I think I will do that now so I don't get a warning for my talkbubbles ^_^.}}
-{{Xion4ever|time=22:33, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=This part was settled weeks ago. Don't just delete the coding, any removed talkbubbles you put on other users talkpages will appear as blanks! This is why I dissaprove of more then seven talkbubbles, but oh well. Either way, as long as they don't show blanks and what not, you won't be warned.}}
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-{{Xion4ever|time=16:56, February 13, 2010 (UTC)|text=Okay now that we got the user images cleared out, its time we focused on [[:Category:Videos|this]]. I've go through and added the deletion template to the videos that weren't being used/weren't relevant. But could an admin/someone go through and see if I missed any? Also, the articles for deletion category is filling up rapidly.
-But I digress, do we have a video policy anywhere? Most of the videos we had/have are either on articles or on userpages.. The articles I can understand, but for userpages..can't they just use the coding?}}
-{{BebopKate|time=18:54, February 13, 2010 (UTC)|text=I would think video policy would be similar to image policy...but for some reason I think we had a disagreement on that somewhere.  Let me dig around...
-Yay, yet another goodie to inevitably add to the New Member Guide.
-ETA: Okay, I've deleted some of the more obvious ones we don't really need.  I want to check on a few, though, to make sure they've got good quality counterparts linked in the articles.  I do need to leave, so I'm afraid things will have to wait unless another staffer wants to jump in.}}
-{{Dan da Man36|time=19:31, February 13, 2010 (UTC)|happy2=Hey there, if it helps to clear up space on the wiki, I'd be happy to delete my talk bubble images and link them in from photobucket. Here they are: [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dan's-soratexthappy1.png] [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dan's-soratext2.gif] [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dan's-Soratextwisdom.png] [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dan's-Soratextvalor.png] [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dan's-Soratextmaster.png] [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dan's-Soratextfinal.png] [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dan's-Soratextanti.png] [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dan's-Soratextsanta.png]. I'll nominate them for deletion in a second...}}
-{{TNE|time=02:19, February 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Touching on the number of talkbubbles. My actual number (including the userbox) would be... easily 12 ? 13 ? It all depends on how many emotions a character has.
-But yes, again, uploading user images which are not related to the series onto the wiki is against wiki policy.
-As for video policy, I placed in the new MOS that uploading is highly discouraged. A simple embed from YouTube would suffice.}}