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::Fixed them. It should now only show images that are actually there.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:59, 11 February 2019 (UTC) | ::Fixed them. It should now only show images that are actually there.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:59, 11 February 2019 (UTC) | ||
:::Aha lol. That makes sense. It was an error! Thanks for fixing it. :) But all said and done, I still advocate for the logos displaying by default for consistency's sake, you know? --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 17:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC) | :::Aha lol. That makes sense. It was an error! Thanks for fixing it. :) But all said and done, I still advocate for the logos displaying by default for consistency's sake, you know? --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 17:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC) | ||
::::I would disagree with that, as the world icons are much more illustrative of the actual world. The logo is just fancy words.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:36, 11 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::::But again, the logos are something they all have in common. It's something that we have for every world. We don't have world icons for The Final World, Scala ad Caelum, the Dark World, Hundred Acre Wood - what else lol? I'm just saying we should go for a little consistency. --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 19:02, 11 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::::[[End of Sea|We do not have logos for every world]]. Regardless, the world icons are more useful for the purpose of illustration than the logos are.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:58, 11 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Good Questions on your User Page == | |||
Hey Kryten. Been lurking the wiki following my completion of KHIII as a sadistic form of trying to recover from this series' post-partum depression. Finally decided to log in as I liked many of the questions you asked on your user page but did see a couple I think I might know answers to. | |||
When you ask about Terra-Xehanort, Roxas, and Xion and why they don't have to return back to their own time, I guess it's my understanding that they aren't time traveling. Specifically with Roxas and Xion, we know that's the case. Xion is a new replica made by Vexen based on the old data from her original form. They don't say how they had that data so there's a plot hole there, but she's definitely from the present. I don't think she even identified as "Xion" until Sora says her name, at which point I assume that her heart left him and entered her new body, giving her form. With Roxas, he's the heart from within Sora and the replica body that Demyx sneaked out to Ansem the Wise and Ienzo. I guess when they completed the body for Roxas' heart and his heart resonated with Namine, that broke the space barrier and pushed the two together? | |||
Terra-Xehanort is more tricky but I think that it was the present Terra, norted after they were separated. The game even mentions that when Xemnas and Ansem were defeated, it should have been Terra-Xehanort that came back, but instead it was Master Xehanort (which we know because he calls himself his most future/present form). So I guess the implication is that when they reformed as a whole person, Terra was separate, but Master Xehanort norted him again, only this time with just a fraction of his heart and not the whole thing like in BBS. It's poorly explained and mostly conjecture but makes sense to me. | |||
Most of your other questions don't really have answers though. I think they are examples of Nomura deciding to do things 'just because' and hoping we'll forget about the contradictions. As has definitely happened before. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 19:14, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:Also I'm pretty sure Riku is gay. Maybe that's just me reading into DDD too much though. And since Namine was technically born of Sora, maybe that's part of the attraction to her. I dunno man, this series is weird AF about romance and shipping. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 19:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Yeah, the secret reports indicate that that's true for Roxas and Xion, but it makes a mess of what Roxas said earlier about "the same way you did". Then again, the plot already had a huge contradiction of itself with its insistence up until the end that Dark Riku was Ansem-Riku, when that's already who SoD is and I've literally been claiming Riku Replica as a Seeker since KHDDD came out.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:11, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::I honestly think that Nomura is just really bad at answering questions and resolving plot points. And he built himself up too high here. I enjoyed the game a lot, even much of the story moments, but anyone trying to think through this series logically, even on its own lore it builds up, is going to need some Tylenol. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 21:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
==KH3 world story events and time from KH2 to KH3== | |||
Really Kryten, really?: | |||
*"''as I said before, there is barely any time between KH2 and KH3 for there to ''be'' a "before''"" | |||
*"''getting real damn tired of this. KH3 is set very shortly after KH2, Nomura has already told us that time moves at different paces among the worlds, and the worlds show longterm events happening in the space of a single visit.''" | |||
:Okay I don't know why in the hell you're getting very upest about this but frankly, regardless it doesn't make sense that the events on each world happened overnight or during KH3, some of the story events (e.g. Jack getting consumed by the Krakken, Randall being brought back by Vanitas after being banished by Mike and Sulley in Monstropolis, Scrooge opening the bistro in Twilight Town) happened prior to KH3 events of the stories. That's my opinion and you can continue arguing and making your own reasonings straight from your mouth but literally you need to chlll and stop making this as a nitpick. | |||
Seriously didn't you forgot in BBS which is set 10 years before the first game that Sora, Kairi and Riku were 4 and 5 years old respectively or even Hercules was still a teenage before he became an adult? Just because time moves moves at different paces among the worlds, doesn't mean that certain characters, specifically some of the Disney characters like [[Ariel]], or the Frozen characters like [[Anna]] and [[Elsa]] were in their current ages during the events of BBS or the first game or Kingdom Hearts II--[[Special:Contributions/73.77.161.206|73.77.161.206]] 02:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:As Kryten said, there's almost no time between KH2 and KH3. Between BBS and KH1 is a 10-year gap. That's why events happening during those years can be put in a separate header. Since we don't have a clear time period for any of the events you mentioned, everything that happens during KH3 gets put under the KH3 header. An exception for this would be Jack's deal with Davy Jones, because that is confirmed to take place thirteen years before KH3. | |||
:"''That's my opinion and you can continue arguing and making your own reasonings straight from your mouth but literally you need to chlll and stop making this as a nitpick.''" | |||
:So you're basically saying that your opinion is right, and we should just do that? Because that's not how it works. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:57, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::"''An exception for this would be Jack's deal with Davy Jones, because that is confirmed to take place thirteen years before KH3''."And Anna's relationship with Elsa as she mentioned "years passed". Don't forget that KH2 that it has been a year since the first game. | |||
::"''So you're basically saying that your opinion is right, and we should just do that? Because that's not how it works.''" How in the hell am I saying my opinion is right and the rest of you are wrong? That it isn't the point of the argument Events such as Jack getting consumed by the Krakken, Randall being banished by Mike and Sulley in Monstropolis prior to Vanitas bringing him back, Scrooge meeting Little Chef by opening the bistro in Twilight Town (remember he said he met him "a while ago") don't happen overnight or an instant. It could've been several weeks (not a week) or months that have passed between KH2 and KH3, but as of now, we don't know how long it has been between KH2 and KH3 as Nomura and Square haven't confirmed anything as of now, but I don't think it has been several days or a week if you ask me. Finally just because time moves at different paces among the worlds, doesn't mean that certain characters, specifically some of the Disney characters like for instance [[Ariel]], or the Frozen characters like [[Anna]] and [[Elsa]] were in their current ages during the events of BBS or the first game or even Kingdom Hearts II because more than likely they have aged just like Sora, Riku and Kairi did.{{unsigned|66.102.21.189}} | |||
:::Nomura already clearly said that time on different worlds flows at different rates. | |||
:::The bistro was not there in KH2. Jack wasn't eaten in KH2. KH3 occurs almost immediately after KH2 closes -- there is not ''time'' for these events to have happened other than during the opening scenes of KH3/AFP. | |||
:::"don't happen overnight or an instant." -- it ''does'', however, happen post-KH2. And that means it happened during the early stages of KH3, because KH3 ''is directly after KH2''. | |||
:::"It could've been several weeks (not a week) or months that have passed between KH2 and KH3," -- it could not have. We have that time accounted for. The deluxe edition artbook even provides a timeline. KH2 closes when they receive the letter, post Re:coded, they travel to Yen Sid's tower for the test (which outside the realm of sleep occurs over the course of basically a day, as the two boys are sent back in time for it to start), and then AFP/KH3 begins. Anything for any of the characters who show up in both KH2 and KH3 either happened during KH2 or KH3 -- there ''isn't'' a notable "between". The Mark of Mastery, for the outside world, covers less time than the period from Sora setting out for Olympus and arriving on each world. | |||
:::Not sure why you're bringing up Monstropolis or Arendelle, as those don't appear in KH2. I suppose you could argue that Vanitas appearing at TWTNW in KH3D means he couldn't start working in Monstropolis until he had moved forward in time again, thus putting it during KH3, but I wasn't making that claim.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:34, 14 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::"it ''does'', however, happen post-KH2. And that means it happened during the early stages of KH3, because KH3 ''is directly after KH2''. -Okay it hasn't been a year as recently a Union Cross quiz said that Sora was still 15 years old as of Kingdom Hearts III, but honestly between KH2 to KH3 it feels more like 1-2 days but less than 3-7 days since after the events of Kingdom Hearts II.--[[Special:Contributions/172.58.102.235|172.58.102.235]] 17:02, 31 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::"It could not have. We have that time accounted for. The deluxe edition artbook even provides a timeline. KH2 closes when they receive the letter, post Re:coded, they travel to Yen Sid's tower for the test (which outside the realm of sleep occurs over the course of basically a day, as the two boys are sent back in time for it to start), and then AFP/KH3 begins. Anything for any of the characters who show up in both KH2 and KH3 either happened during KH2 or KH3 -- there ''isn't'' a notable "between". The Mark of Mastery, for the outside world, covers less time than the period from Sora setting out for Olympus and arriving on each world." - Okay then your right, it hasn't been a year as recently a Union Cross quiz said that Sora was still 15 (since KH2) as of Dream Drop Distance and Kingdom Hearts III, but honestly it feels more than just a day, more than likely 1-2 days if you ask me after Kingdom Hearts II. | |||
::::"Not sure why you're bringing up Monstropolis or Arendelle, as those don't appear in KH2." - I disagree with your comment even if some of the films those worlds were based on (aside from Toy Story and Monster's Inc.) didn't existed when KH2 came out, I pretty sure that the KH3 Disney worlds like Monstropolis, Arendelle, Kingdom of Corona, among others more than likely still existed as worlds prior to their actual story events in KH3. The same can be said for [[Tron]] in KH2 who mentioned about Space Paranoids being a copy of the [[The Grid|original version from ENCOM]], which turns out to be the Tron: Legacy world (which mind you the film didn't existed when KH2 came out, but was added in DDD to connect what tron said in KH2). Also while it's true "time flows differently" in worlds (more specifically the Disney worlds than the Original worlds like [[Twilight Town]], [[Radiant Garden]], and [[Destiny Islands]]), it doesn't mean that everyone ages differently between the different worlds. I mean think about it the FF characters that resided in Radiant Garden aged a year between KH and KH2 (Yuffie was 16 in KH and 17 during KH2. She more than likely was 6 years old during the events of BBS), secondly for Atlantica, [[Ariel]] was 16 years old during the events of Kingdom Hearts and she was presumably 17 years old during Kingdom Hearts III (at least that's what I saw from the original KH2 website.--[[Special:Contributions/172.58.102.235|172.58.102.235]] 17:02, 31 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::::Your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. You're making a lot of claims about ages that aren't supported by the games, and the reason it doesn't make sense to bring up Monstropolis or Arendelle is because it provides no evidence whatsoever.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::::"Your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever." - In what way does it not make sense? | |||
::::::"You're making a lot of claims about ages that aren't supported by the games, and the reason it doesn't make sense to bring up Monstropolis or Arendelle is because it provides no evidence whatsoever." All I'm saying is that while yes "Time flows differently" in the worlds (specifically the Disney worlds) in doesn't necesarily mean it ALSO applies to the original worlds like Radiant Garden or Twilight Town flowing differently than Destiny Islands. Secondly, it makes NO sense on what you said on the Disney worlds (Monstropolis, Arendelle, Kingdom of Corona, San Fransokyo) didn't existing at all prior to KH3. True the films didn't existed when Kingdom Hearts II came out but as its has been 1-2 days after KH2 they still existed as worlds otherwise during the pre-KH3 events. Same can be said on the Disney worlds in DDD (particularly the Grid from "Tron: Legacy") as they are dream representation of the worlds that were destroyed by the Heartless prior to the events of the first game. Continue arguing till the cows come home but that's enough already, with your arguments and whatever your beliefs are.--[[Special:Contributions/73.77.161.206|73.77.161.206]] 16:41, 7 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::"In what way does it not make sense?" -- in the exact way I already stated. Please learn how to read, or stop spamming my talk page. One or the other. | |||
:::"All I'm saying is that while yes" -- No, you made specific claims about Yuffie and Ariel's ages which have absolutely no support in the canon. It's completely nonsensical puffery, because you're basically saying "well, if I imagine that I'm right, that means I'm right!" You're pulling an assumption out of your ass and pretending like it should mean something to anyone but you. | |||
:::I already explained why it doesn't make sense to bring up Monstropolis or Arendelle. They do not support your argument at all, because they are completely irrelevant to the question at hand. The only examples you've brought up that were even vaguely relevant to the topic (of identifying when certain events ''could'' be dated, given the existing canon) were your claims about Jack getting consumed by the Kraken, or Randall being brought back by Vanitas "not making sense to have happened overnight" -- which, while at least being on topic, are ''completely false''. Jack ''has'' to have been eaten overnight, because he was still alive at the end of KH2. For Randall, the events of Monstropolis imply that Randall ''just got back that night''. | |||
:::"Secondly, it makes NO sense on what you said on the Disney worlds (Monstropolis, Arendelle, Kingdom of Corona, San Fransokyo) didn't existing at all prior to KH3." -- I never said anything even slightly similar to this. Your responses paint you as paying little to no attention to the discussion, while simultaneously being very certain you want to "win" it. It's a complete waste of time bordering on trolling or vandalism. | |||
:::Bringing up Arendelle makes no sense because ''no one was even disputing that Anna and Elsa's childhood happened years before KH3''. The fact that Arendelle has no other mentions in the series also means that ''it absolutely cannot be used to date anything''. | |||
:::"Continue arguing till the cows come home" is disingenuous, contemptuous bullshit. If you're not interested in having a good faith discussion, then why not just ''stop spewing on my talk page just to get the "last word"?'' I'm not interested in continuing this discussion, since you've shown absolutely no proof that you even understand the claim you're attempting to argue with. Either start acting in good faith, or just go away.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Hollow Bastion/Castle Oblivion == | |||
I'm not sure I quite follow. Are you suggesting that there should be a separate article for the memory-version of Hollow Bastion? In that case doesn't that go for all the worlds that appear within Castle Oblivion as well as all the worlds that appear within the Datascape? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 14:04, 21 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== KH3 Battle Sprites == | |||
So, since I obviously don't get it, what IS the proper name and format I need for the KH3 battle sprites I have uploaded? I thought I was following the media policy well, specifically, I also followed how Aqua's 0.2 sprites were on their page, because I ripped them the same way.--[[User:BuddyFaith|BuddyFaith]] ([[User talk:BuddyFaith|talk]]) 20:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Ultimania Renders == | |||
A lot have been released online, albeit as low-quality scans. Would you say we can still use these in our articles? I'm concerned about the ones which would serve as a particular article's "main image." I can upload as many renders as I can when I get home from work tonight, but I would like to know how you feel about this: Lady Junky uploaded the Dark Riku official render, but her attempt to remove the background leaves much to be desired (mainly because the color of Riku's hair matches the scan background). Would you say we should remove the backgrounds (may take some time), or would the backgrounds included be okay for now? Obviously, we would use <nowiki>{{betterpic}}</nowiki>... - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 16:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:I would think we're definitely going to get better pics once shard gets his copy, so I don't mind either way.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:01, 28 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Sora Heartless == | |||
Sora's Heartless: Shadow/Neo Darkside/AntiSora forms are covered on the list, but his state after recovering his physical form is not. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 16:49, 13 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:Those forms are treated as separate physical entities, even though they stem from the same source, by the ultimania.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Ah gotcha. Would the physical form be considered separate since it's technically listed as "Sora" in the journal? --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 17:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Riku/Ansem == | |||
Is it ever said that Riku's heart was expelled? I though him showing up in 0.2 was him reforming immediately after Ansem's defeat. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 20:48, 15 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:Ah I found it, in KHFM they show Riku after having his heart expelled from Ansem's body. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 21:51, 15 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Kingdom Hearts VR Experience == | |||
I just created a page for the VR Experience (since we didn't have one), but if I'm being honest....I have no idea what the hell I'm doing lol. >_< I can't get the tiny little icon to show up, nor can I find the main page portal template. If you can help me out with this, it'd be swell. :( --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 18:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:The Game template is basically a display, while the Gameicon template actually houses the images. The portal is at [[Main_Page/Game_Portals]]. To track down where components of a page are, you want to look at Templates used on this page toward the bottom of a page while editing it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:43, 16 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks. :D As if it wasn't obvious enough lol, I only know the bare minimum when it comes to editing stuff! --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 19:39, 16 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
==Retiring== | |||
I'm working with good faith here, but you're sapping my motivation to do anything on the site when you are constantly editing or reverting any contributions I make, often with minimal explanation. Statements like "Not relevant, removing spec" don't really leave me with any understanding of what is acceptable and what is not. I know I've not been here long, but in the face of my contributions consistently not being up to par, I'm choosing to quit the site. - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 20:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Adamant == | |||
Does it share the same kana as Adamant Shield and Adamant Belt? If so should there be a disambiguation page for them instead? - {{User:JTD95/Signature}} 13:27, 10 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
== 208.94.76.25 == | |||
If this guy keeps causing problems, why not block him? --[[User:Yellowlightning1996|Yellowlightning1996]] ([[User talk:Yellowlightning1996|talk]]) 18:19, 2 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Adding new images == | |||
I have a replacement image for From Chains to Bonds, but adding images on this type of wiki is very different than what I'am used too. --[[User:Yellowlightning1996|Yellowlightning1996]] ([[User talk:Yellowlightning1996|talk]]) 19:05, 2 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
:What you need me do.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:17, 2 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
How do I upload images properly on this wiki? --[[User:Yellowlightning1996|Yellowlightning1996]] ([[User talk:Yellowlightning1996|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
:[[Special:Upload]], it needs to be png, and it needs to be official (not tweaked by you).{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:19, 3 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
In that case, I think I'll pass on that. I don't want to cause problems. --[[User:Yellowlightning1996|Yellowlightning1996]] ([[User talk:Yellowlightning1996|talk]]) 14:06, 3 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Links to official terms == | |||
[https://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Deep_Space&diff=prev&oldid=784249] Why do we need pages for every official term? Things like the United Galactic Federation are only briefly mentioned (I don't know if it's even mentioned in the story, or just journal entries), and since we don't take information from source material, there's pretty much no information to make a page for. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 13:02, 5 August 2019 (UTC) | |||
:Star ocean at least is a major topic. I think we can write up at least some material on the UGF, considering what we're told in the Deep Space world, though I suppose the Grand Councilwoman naturally embodies the Federation and especially the council, so we could cover that all on her page. I would think a redirect to her page would work, and mention that the ship and Gantu are members as well?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC) | |||