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==Notes from Ultimania for posterity (taken from [[Talk:Dark Riku]])== | |||
Okay, so here's what the ultimania says for the nature and fate of the RO13 ([https://i.imgur.com/3HdxtFr.jpg]): | |||
::"Reserve members are called out with '(Reserve)'" (補欠メンバパーであることを示す) | |||
{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 class="sortable" style="text-align:center; font-size:90%" align="center" width=600px | |||
|- bgcolor="#3A3A3A" | |||
|width="30%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''Name''' | |||
|width="30%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''What kind of being is it?'''<br>(どのような存在か) | |||
|width="30%" style="font-size:12px; color:white; text-align:center"|'''What happened after this fight?'''<br>(今回の戦いのあとどうなったが) | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Master Xehanort]]'''||Themself (human)<br>本人(人間)||destroyed (ascended to heaven)<br>消滅 (昇天) | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Young Xehanort]]'''||A Replica containing the heart of the Young Xehanort from the past<br>レプリカに過去のアンセムの心が入っている||destroyed (heart returned to the past)<br>消滅(心は過去にもどる) | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Terra-Xehanort]]'''||The body of Terra containing the heart of the Terra-Xehanort from the past<br>テラの身体に過去のテラ=ゼアノートの心が入っている||Terra's heart returns to body, restoring Terra (Terra-Xehanort's heart is destroyed)<br>身体にテラの心がもどり、テラとして復活(テラ=セアノートの心は消滅) | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]]'''||A Replica containing the heart of the Ansem from the past<br>レプリカに過去のアンセムの心が入っている||destroyed<br>消滅 | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Xemnas]]'''||A Replica containing the heart of the Xemnas from the past<br>レプリカに過去のゼムナスの心が入っている||destroyed<br>消滅 | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Vanitas]]'''||A Replica containing the heart of the Vanitas from the past<br>レプリカに過去のヴァニタスの心が入っている||destroyed<br>消滅 | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Xigbar]]'''||Themself (Nobody)<br>本人(ノーバディ)||returned to human(?) and still alive<br>人間にもどり(?)生存 | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Vexen]]''' (Reserve)||Themself (Nobody)<br>本人(ノーバディ)||returned to human without being defeated and still alive<br>倒されないまま人間にもどり生存 | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Saïx]]'''||Themself (Nobody)<br>本人(ノーバディ)||returned to human and still alive<br>人間にもどり生存 | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Demyx]]''' (Reserve)||Themself (Nobody)<br>本人(ノーバディ)||returned to human and still alive(?)<br>人間にもどり生存(?) | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Luxord]]'''||Themself (Nobody)<br>本人(ノーバディ)||returned to human and still alive(?)<br>人間にもどり生存(?) | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Marluxia]]'''||Themself (Nobody)<br>本人(ノーバディ)||returned to human and still alive(?)<br>人間にもどり生存(?) | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Larxene]]'''||Themself (Nobody)<br>本人(ノーバディ)||returned to human and still alive(?)<br>人間にもどり生存(?) | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Dark Riku]]'''||A Replica containing the heart of the Riku Replica from the past<br>レプリカに過去のリク＝レプリカの心が入っている||destroyed, leaving behind the original Replica body as a vessel (the original body is used as a vessel for Namine)<br>器となるレブリカの素体を残して消滅(残きれた素体はナミネの器として利用される) | |||
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA" | |||
|'''[[Xion]]'''||A Replica containing "the heart of Xion from her early days as a member of the XIII Order"<br>レプリカに「XIII機関に加入して間もないころのシオンの心」が入っている||original heart was returned from Sora and her memories were redeemed, and she defected to the side of the Guardians of Light<br>ソラから本来の心がもどって記憶を取りもどし,光の守護者側へ転身 | |||
|} | |||
{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC) | |||
==Isa== | ==Isa== | ||
What proof do we have that this is Isa and not Saix? The fact that Lea calls him that is not all that conclusive, considering how Axel and Saix called each other by their original names in KHD. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 19:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC) | What proof do we have that this is Isa and not Saix? The fact that Lea calls him that is not all that conclusive, considering how Axel and Saix called each other by their original names in KHD. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 19:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC) | ||
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::::::Except for 1) This info is quite arbitrary and serves little purpose, and 2) The chair they sit in does not necessarily translate to their exact ranking in the Organization. Frankly, it's too much of a stretch to claim that we know the rankings when all we've done is just count the chairs. Until Nomura confirms anything, we're not putting this on the page. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 20:56, 24 September 2012 (UTC) | ::::::Except for 1) This info is quite arbitrary and serves little purpose, and 2) The chair they sit in does not necessarily translate to their exact ranking in the Organization. Frankly, it's too much of a stretch to claim that we know the rankings when all we've done is just count the chairs. Until Nomura confirms anything, we're not putting this on the page. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 20:56, 24 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
::Vanitas, that's like the opposite of sense. Us not knowing whether the chairs are permanent does NOT mean we should assume they are. Listen to LR.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC) | ::Vanitas, that's like the opposite of sense. Us not knowing whether the chairs are permanent does NOT mean we should assume they are. Listen to LR.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
Nomura originally intended to keep the ranking idea for members of the second organization. However, he scrapped the idea mid-production, believing it would have been too confusing for players to see members from the first iteration of the Organization holding a new rank. Thus they have all their meetings in the Keyblade Graveyard, instead of the Round Room. Though, I guess the ranks could still be present given where each member of the Organization stood to Master Xehanort's side when they faced the Seven Guardians of Light. ([[Special:Contributions/96.68.6.221|96.68.6.221]] 22:22, 1 August 2019 (UTC)) | |||
==13 seekers and 7 guardians== | ==13 seekers and 7 guardians== | ||
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If somebody could put up this image | If somebody could put up this image | ||
[[ | [[File:Real Organization XIII KHIII.png|left|thumb|200px]] | ||
on the page please, that'd be great, since I can't do it. KrytenKoro did a good job like I did for the Forms of Xehanort image :P [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] ([[User talk:EnglishJoker|talk]]) 14:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC) | on the page please, that'd be great, since I can't do it. KrytenKoro did a good job like I did for the Forms of Xehanort image :P [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] ([[User talk:EnglishJoker|talk]]) 14:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC) | ||
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== Eyes == | == Eyes == | ||
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Maybe I'm wrong, haven't watched the scene in a while. Anyone able to check? {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 19:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | Maybe I'm wrong, haven't watched the scene in a while. Anyone able to check? {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 19:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | ||
::See Dark Riku's talk page. We're waiting for the Ultimania to give us a concrete answer, since the game makes things ''really'' confusing. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 23:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | ::See Dark Riku's talk page. We're waiting for the Ultimania to give us a concrete answer, since the game makes things ''really'' confusing. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 23:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | ||
:::When's the ultimania's release date? --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 20:46, 14 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::28th of Febuary I believe - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 20:48, 14 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:From what I got of it, it's an entirely new replica. So Dark Riku. --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 23:48, 13 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Main Image == | |||
When Xion is acting as part of this Organization she has her hooded "puppet" look, so a render of that would be better for the group image. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 23:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
Agreed; it makes more sense.([[Special:Contributions/96.68.6.221|96.68.6.221]] 22:36, 13 March 2019 (UTC)) | |||
== Time period Ansem was recruited from == | |||
First thought would suggest the brief period at the end of KH1, when Ansem is in Riku's body, but when Ansem says "What a journey you and I have had" to Riku, doesn't it imply that it's from much later in the story? After the Kingdom Hearts Encoder explodes, but before Xemnas is defeated, perhaps? If both Ansem and Xemnas were recruited during that interlude when Kingdom Hearts is raining hearts, it would make sense for them to have such familiar discourse with Sora and Riku during 3D and KH3. Anybody? - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 16:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:I don't think we can assume much that isn't stated along those veins. The Twilight Town gang and Rinzler both make it clear that memories can be "reacquired" through the chain of memories.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:05, 19 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Time members were collected from == | |||
Since it's ambiguous as to when many members where collected from, I think the references to recruitment should all just go under a "Before ''Kingdom Hearts coded''" section. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 17:00, 18 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
:We don't do "before" though if we have both boundaries. We do "Between". | |||
:Regarding TX, it doesn't really seem like he had that for more than a few moments, and he was still confused. Seeing as Terra-Xehanort knows he's a Xehanort in KH3, I think it would only make sense for him to be from before giving himself amnesia. We also don't really have any reason to believe that Young Xehanort hopped again -- the Xehanort Experience Record has him showing up in Land of Departure right before the final battle, so it would make sense that he yoinks Vanitas's heart right before his destruction (or right when it happens), and Terra-Xehanort's soon after. | |||
:"Arriving in the period of his older self's first attempt to reignite the Keyblade War" -- why are you removing that?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:08, 18 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
That's all speculation though. A few moments is fine for all we know, why would he show up at LoD to collect Vanitas when Vanitas wasn't even there etc. Where we don't know fact we should be ambiguous e.g. "during his time travels Young Xehanort collects Vanitas, Terra-Xehanort, Ansem, and Xemnas from unknown points in their history". --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 17:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Your question about LoD doesn't make sense to me. The point is that he was present at that period of time. He's not bound to a world. | |||
::It's not ''really'' speculation. We're told that it's their hearts "from the past", and there are known periods of time when they even existed. Vanitas has to be from the period of time when he looked like evil Sora, and wasn't yet destroyed, so basically from the start of KHBbS to when he merges with Ventus. Terra-Xehanort has to exist, have the No Name, and not have amnesia, so -- from the battle at KG to the battle at RG. Ansem has to exist and look like he does, so from the battle at RG to the battle at EotW. Xemnas is really the only one with any real mystery to when he was taken -- he existed in his current form anywhere from a year after BbS, during KH1, thru Days, and into KH2 -- as the article already acknowledges. You could ''speculate'' that YX picked up Xemnas at RG when he picked up Ansem, for parsimony's sake, but that's unsupportable.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
Nothing says they have to look like that, they could have just fashioned the replicas to appear that way; Replica appearance can easily change, as shown by Xion. Vanitas could have been from the moment he was born (pre-BBS) or from the moment Ventus connected with Sora (pre-BBS) if he has to look like Sora. Terra-Xehanort could still feasibly be from post-BBS even ignoring the scene of his declaration of being "Ansem": remember Terra-Xehanort appears in 0.2, which is way after BBS, and knows who he is in that game - he could have been picked up from then. Since it's "Ansem's heart" that was collected - which still exists in CoM via Riku - he could have been obtained from CoM. Multiple possibilities means anything put on the article claiming to be certain is speculation, so it should be ambiguous. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 20:43, 18 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
:"Vanitas could have been from the moment he was born (pre-BBS)" -- BbS covers all of the scenes in BbS, ''including'' the scene where Xehanort brings Ventus to Destiny Islands, and his heart connects with Sora's -- the moment that Vanitas changed from being a black shadowy creature to having Sora's face. | |||
:"they could have just fashioned the replicas to appear that way" -- both CoM, Days, and KH3 all tell us that Replicas don't work like that. They are shaped by memories. Before hearts are implanted, they look like the empty Replica that Sora retrieved from Dark Riku, a featureless husk. Xion's appearance changed ''because'' she was being filled by a heart, not at a whim. | |||
:"which is way after BBS" -- not exactly. The course of the game lasts ten years, but it doesn't start off years after KHBbS. That was also a subconscious communication between their hearts, not the active Terra-Xehanort in the real world. I'll admit that I'm not 100% about that, though. The XER doesn't clear it up. | |||
:"which still exists in CoM via Riku" -- that's a different Ansem. As I read the XER, it looks like it's saying that the Ansem collected was before the Heartless was defeated, which would match with what the reports say about why it needed a Replica in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:50, 18 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
All pages refer to the BBS flashbacks as "Before BBS" (see [[Ventus]] for example). In KHIII, the Replica body of Xion changes due to being overflown with her present counterpart's memories, this could theoretically have occurred with the likes of Vanitas - whose heart was repaired by the Unversed in the present and through encountering his counterparts. The XER connects CoM Ansem to DDD Ansem, so if anything it implies he is Ansem from CoM, there's no implication he's KH Ansem. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 11:57, 19 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Hmm. They shouldn't. That scene isn't presented as a flashback. | |||
::Vanitas has Sora's appearance specifically because his heart was connected to Sora's through Ventus. Him absorbing negativity from the Unversed wouldn't do that. | |||
::So, we've got two things. The XER seems to say that the KH3D Ansem boss fight (implied to be within Riku's heart, and thus the "lurking" Ansem) and the Ansem who shows up as a member of the RO13 are the same Ansem. And yet SR8 in KH3 specifically says "The old man's humanity prevents his Heartless and Nobody, others vanquished in the past, and his younger self from being denizens of this time." If RO13 Ansem was just the Ansem in Riku's heart, there'd be no conflict and this line wouldn't make any sense. (On a side note, it's not explicitly stated, but the "darkness lurking in Riku's heart" is essentially the same issue as the RO13 members having a fragment of Xehanort's heart. SR8 only makes sense if the RO13 Ansem is the Ansem from before the KH1 finale.) So, yeah, I can agree things aren't clear with that guy. Which is a mess, it made a bit more sense beforehand, and I find it kind of hard to believe that Young Xehanort could just approach Riku and get Ansem's heart out of him without Riku noticing. | |||
::Still, Vanitas and Terra-Xehanort I can only see as coming from one time.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:47, 19 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
Well that's how I've always seen this wiki structured, so that's why I'm applying it here. Don't you think he doesn't necessarily need to be near them (e.g. "collect Vanitas from LoD") so he wouldn't even need to approach Riku right? The journal in III also notes that Terra-Xehanort has Master Xehanort's heart (plus he does not know who Lingering Will is), so he could even feasibly have Master Xehanort's heart from any point in time. Would be good if we could get input from others on this discussion... --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 15:43, 19 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
::I don't understand why you're saying he would collect Vanitas from LoD. | |||
::"The journal in III also notes that Terra-Xehanort has Master Xehanort's heart" -- Not sure where you're getting that, but the Ultimania explicitly says that he contains TX's heart from the past, implanted in Terra's body. | |||
::"plus he does not know who Lingering Will is" -- honestly, I wasn't able to parse that as "what is your identity", I parsed it as "what kind of person are you". It's simply absurd if Nomura meant that to show that TX doesn't recognize LW -- they're wearing the same damn clothes, for starters, not to mention that Terra's heart would recognize it, he immediately understood who it was upon being born, even Xemnas recognized Aqua's armor, and KH3D showed that YX informed the other Xehanorts about what they missed. | |||
::Plus, LW has literally been ''sitting there'' a few yards away from all the action for a decade, how the hell are you trying to tell me none of the Xehanorts ever noticed or detected him. | |||
::To be fair, that scene is already a legendary mess, what with claiming that TX is the thirteenth when Nomura is already on record saying that TX was one of the twelve that showed up when they were inducting Sora.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Minor error on the page == | |||
The Members section is part of the story section. Can someone please change this so "Members" is its own section of the page? Thank You. ([[Special:Contributions/96.68.6.221|96.68.6.221]] 22:23, 1 August 2019 (UTC)) | |||
== Technically... == | |||
Why is the Organization called thirteen different Xehanorts? There's only five different versions of Xehanort in the Organization. The other eight are only vessels for his heart, who still have their original personalities. Did Nomura change his mind about the whole "clone" thing mid-production? ([[Special:Contributions/96.68.6.221|96.68.6.221]] 22:25, 1 August 2019 (UTC)) | |||
== Re: Mind == | |||
How long to wait before adding the information from Re: Mind. This bit clears up the whole "who was at the meeting" thing and the data battles reveal who had a new rank in the Real Organization. ([[Special:Contributions/174.192.74.132|174.192.74.132]] 06:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)) | |||
:Yhea, Nomura said they scrapped the idea of use ranks in the real Org., but Nomura also said they scrapped the idea of a Xehanort game, AND LOOK, we have Dark Road now, and ReMind literally give us ranks. Is pretty obvious they changed idea about the ranks, or why give it in ReMind?[[Special:Contributions/93.41.38.64|93.41.38.64]] 00:17, 4 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::I think a discussion might need to take place to decide if the information stays or goes since there is a clear amount of time difference between that interview and this games' release. In my opinion I think this information should be mentioned, and if not on the main part of the article, then it should be a small simple trivia piece instead. -[[User:Adv193|Adv193]] ([[User talk:Adv193|talk]]) 00:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::ReMind never mentions the ranks so how are they revealed? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 00:35, 4 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::They don't, people are just taking the rank based on the order presents on each member's portal in the Data battle. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 02:03, 4 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::Is not just a order, in each portal there is a specific number, Master Xehanort, Ansem and Xemnas corrispond to the numers mentioned by Nomura in the interview before the idea was scrapped. Xion is the XIII, and she was indeed the last member, Master Xehanort, Ansem, Xemnas, Xigbar, Saix and Young Xehanort have their position that corrispond to their seet position in the thrones room in the end of Dream Drop Distance, or at least, I remember Yound Xehanort be in Larxene seet and Xigbar in Vexen seet in DDD, for Saix, I'm not absolutly sure. But... if really they didn't wanted to give them ranks, why put numbers in the portals?--[[Special:Contributions/93.41.38.64|93.41.38.64]] 08:11, 4 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::Hmmm... hadn’t notice that the portals are numbered. Also just noticed that they follow that order in data greeting as well. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 08:26, 4 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I hadn't noticed the numbers on the portals either. But still that doesn't mean anything. Especially since we have an interview with Nomura explicitly stating they don't have ranks. Yes, he could have changes his mind, but we really need more concrete evidence, like an interview or maybe that new Character Files book, before we can come to that conclusion. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:52, 4 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::If they didn't change mind, why add the numbers? We literally have the game that show us the ranks, what confirmation you need more? Is like you need Nomura say "hey, Sora's eyes are blue" when you can literally see it. In-game the ranks are literally showed, we can see it, if they add that numbers, that reflect both Nomura initial idea of ranks and the Dream Drop Distance's seets of the Organization, is pretty obvius they changed mind. Nomura will NEVER confirm something that is literally showed in the game. Again, is like waiting Nomura saying Sora's eyes are blue when you can see it.--[[Special:Contributions/93.41.38.64|93.41.38.64]] 18:36, 4 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::The Dream Drop Distance's seats doesn't align with the numbers shown on the portals. Ansem sits in Xaldin's seat and Saïx sits in his original seat but should be sitting in Axel's old one as Saïx is now number VIII (according to the portals) and not VII. Point is: the argument that the seats from KH3D prove their ranks isn't correct. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 21:43, 6 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::[https://twitter.com/tuskactone/status/1230496918515511296?s=20] The new Character Files book lists the members of the old and new Organization side by side. The old organization are listed with their ranks, the new Organization isn't. It's also not in the order of the portals. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 19:51, 20 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::Even if they don't count as ranks, shouldn't the portal numbers have a column on the table anyway, even just as a footnote? --[[User:Wikipirate|Wikipirate]] ([[User talk:Wikipirate|talk]]) 02:03, 24 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Melody of Memory == | |||
So Kairi refers to the real Organization XIII as the True Organization XIII (with a captial T) in one of the game's cutscenes. Should this be included to the page somehow? - {{User:JTD95/Signature}} 12:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
:I finally got around with watching the cutscenes for MoM today, and man, I hate how the subtitles team are so in consistent with terminology (like how the the "T" in The Final World is now lowercased instead of capitalized like it was in KHIII). I suppose we should, considering that's what was also used.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
::I think it should stay as "Real", since that's the term used (repeatedly) in the games where they actually have plot relevance and impact. A one-off mention-only translation change doesn't warrant a move imo. ''[[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]]'' '''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]''' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 11:36, 19 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::I definitely agree with keeping it as "Real", though the "True Organization XIII" should just be mentioned in the intro paragraph.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 04:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC) | |||