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 :You can upload the art separately to use in the gallery. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 19:28, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 ::Only upload Glacial Fortress and Astrowarrior. I already uploaded the other artwork, but KHInsider's scans of the two I mentioned were too blurry to use. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 19:30, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
+== Wayward Wardrobe and Mysterious Sir ==
+So, counterexamples would be Gearbit, Nimble Bee, Skoll, and Infernal Engine's archers. However, each of these smaller Heartless can be defeated separately from the main boss. For the Wayward Wardrobe and Mysterious Sir's minions, we can't really fight them separately in the same way, so should we really treat them as separate?
+If we do, I don't really see a distinction between that and:
+*Pink Possessor
+*Defenders
+*Rush Sheep
+*Lance Soldiers
+*Bog O' Gifts/Dark Score Bag
+*Wibble Wobbles
+*Cannoned Camel
+*Circus Balloon/Bunch O' Balloons
+*Chipper Chef
+*Sleepy Snoozer
+*Hocus Pocus
+*Groundshaker
+*Trident Tails
+*Savage Spiders
+*Gummi Hound
+*Assault Dragons
+*Fortress Crabs
+*Crabby Cake
+*Adventurers
+*Iron Giants
+*Heartless Tsum
+*Gear Golem
+*Ribbitoad
+*Merry-Go-Rowdy
+*Loudmouth Parade
+And I personally don't want to do that.
+{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:37, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
+:For me we will see if that Heartless is actually a separate entity or attached, so a same entity. For exemple, Groundshaker is obviusly the same entity with 2 body, since the game talk him to be the transformation of Scar's Ghost when fuse with all his illusion (seriously, Scar's Ghost seems pretty a Heartless, since Pete say about Scar becaming a Heartless, and then Scar's Ghost became Groundshaker). Btw, talking about the Heartless. Exist Heartless that are a lot of entities that became a unique entity (Demon Tower for exemple, is a mass of Shadow, yhea, but act like a individual entity, and is considered a Heartless).<br>
+So we must see this. The Wardrobe minions is not attached to the Wardrobe, when they are summoned, they go away, so they don't seems to be "attached" to the main boss, the Infernal Engine's archer, similar, can be killed separatly, and they existence is not connected directly to Infernal Engine, the Infernal Engine is just their "boss".<br>
+Tentaclaw too are considered their own Heartless, even if they are created by Leechgrave (they are not all connected to Leechgrave, because in one location we see 5 of them, and Leechgrave have only 4 tentacles), this is just my opinion, you decide what to do--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.145|93.150.192.145]] 13:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
+==KHUX Bosses vs Not==
+So, on KHInsider they don't list the Possessors, Flutterings, or Red/Yellow/Blue/Black Copter Fleets as Bosses or Raid Bosses, which makes sense because they are just accumulations of lesser Heartless. Anyway, because of this I am going to correct the page as such. ([[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 14:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC))
+:But, we're not KHInsider. And the Demon Tower/Tide are technically just accumulations of Shadows, but they're still bosses. I do have to admit KHUX is a bit vague on what is considered a boss or not, especially when they change early quests to be like boss quests, but with regular Heartless. Also, it's possible the Possessors and Copter Fleets were bosses in the original KHX. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:32, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
+::The game lists them as bosses using the ? marking pre-quest.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:45, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
+==Special Heartless?==
+I noticed that the Cy-Bug who was possessed by a Darkling is not listed as a Heartless, and while I understand that it is a Cy-Bug, wouldn't the two together also be considered a Heartless? Or do we only look at the Heartless that is doing the possessing? I've noticed that Riku-Ansem isn't on this page either, so I thought I would ask. ([[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 16:28, 18 January 2020 (UTC))
+:KH3 considers the possessed toys like the Bouncy Pets as not Heartless, even though they get the emblem when they're possessed, so I guess it doesn't necessarily make it a Heartless. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:33, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
+==Do Heartless have genders?==
+Some Heartless, such as the [[Powerwild]], [[Bouncywild]], [[Parasol Beauty]], [[Queen Bee]], or [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]], clearly look either male or female (and in the latter's case, even have a male voice), but it seems that for the most part both the in-game descriptions and the fans use the pronoun "it" to refer to Heartless (with Ansem, the Queen Bee, and the Parasol Beauty being notable exceptions, with the latter explicitly being called a "lady" in its [[Gummiphone]] entry). Does this mean they actually have genders, or are the gendered pronouns merely assigned to Heartless that clearly ''look'' like they're either gender?
+--[[User:HopelessNobody|HopelessNobody]] ([[User talk:HopelessNobody|talk]]) 10:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+:I'd just go with the [[KHWiki:Manual of Style#Enemy and Boss Articles|MoS]] on this matter where it says that all Heartless are genderless and to be referred as "it", with Ansem SoD being the exception. I believe the only Heartless/Nobodies/etc that have genders on the wiki are actual characters with personalities (like org xiii and ansem sod) rather than common enemies. [[User:Pureautism|Pureautism]] ([[User talk:Pureautism|talk]]) 19:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+::I meant lore-wise, not what pronouns are meant to be used for them on the wiki.--[[User:HopelessNobody|HopelessNobody]] ([[User talk:HopelessNobody|talk]]) 20:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::It seems pretty universal within lore for Heartless/Nobodies/etc to be genderless, again except for defined characters like Ansem SoD/Org XIII. For example, the [[Grim Guardianess]] has a feminine name and the [[Dancer]]s look quite feminine but the journal still refers to both as "it"s. The Parasol Beauty's journal refers to it as a lady, although I'm more under the impression that's more of a reference to its resemblance of a 19th century noblewoman. [[User:Pureautism|Pureautism]] ([[User talk:Pureautism|talk]]) 20:25, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+::::Well, what about the [[Queen Bee]]? That one is openly referred to as a "she" in the flavor text.--[[User:HopelessNobody|HopelessNobody]] ([[User talk:HopelessNobody|talk]]) 20:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::::There are some Heartless in KHUX who use he/she in descriptions, like Queen Bee, Shiva, or Ifrit. However, this is most likely just from translation, as I believe Japanese doesn't use gendered pronouns. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:46, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+::::::Looking at Ifrit's journal entry on its page, it seems it's referred to as "it" (unless there is another journal entry for it in a different quest). Although your point about the translation still stands.--[[User:HopelessNobody|HopelessNobody]] ([[User talk:HopelessNobody|talk]]) 20:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::There is another description from a later quest. "This fiery foe resets your boosts, unleashes critical attacks that lower your strength, absorbs Power-based damage, and counters when '''his''' hit count reaches 0!" {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
+==Purebloods==
+I know Emblems, by their very nature of being hearts forcibly surrounded by darkness, make more Emblems when they consume hearts.
+However, don't Purebloods technically do the same thing?
+Ansem's Report 3:
+''"The shadows that crawl beneath the castle... Are they the people who lost their hearts, or incarnations of darkness? Or something entirely beyond my imagination?'''<br>
+''All my knowledge has provided no answer. One thing I am sure of is that they are entirely devoid of emotion. Perhaps further study will unlock the mysteries of the heart.'''<br>
+''Fortunately, there is no shortage of test samples.'' '''''They are multiplying underground even as I write this report.''''' ''They still need a name. Those who lack hearts... I will call them the Heartless."''
+And this entry takes place before the first Emblems were created.
+Can we add this to the page if it's correct? --[[User:Mikoto|Mikoto]] ([[User talk:Mikoto|talk]]) 06:12, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
+==Dark Servants and other silhouttes==
+Something that's kinda bugging me is that why we don't have any pages for the Dark Servants? (the little shadow orbs the Dark Thorn and the Hydra summons in kh 2) as well, would the "afterimages" that Xehanort and Vanitas uses as attacks in KH3 kinda counts as heartless of the pureblood type or are they different all together? Just asking.
+--[[User:LuisArturo|talk]] 09:01 Oct 2023 (UTC)
+:A few reasons. The first is that they aren't actual enemies (no HP bar, no stats of any kind). They also aren't mentioned as their own entities (no journal entry, no Ultimania info, no names outside of attack titles), and the information that we ''do'' have essentially amounts to "dark orb attack", so there isn't enough to warrant a separate article or even a section. As per the afterimages, it's exactly that: an afterimage, an avatar, a mirage. They may be a manifestation of dark power, but they wouldn't count as Heartless themselves. —<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:110%>[[User:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">Aid</span>]][[User talk:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">1043</span>]]</span> 03:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
+== Union X confuses me ==
+Does anybody know why emblem heartless appear in this game when they were supposedly created MUCH later? {{unsigned|24.214.45.254}}
+: Some of it can be explained by the Disney worlds being constructions of the Book of Prophecies (or data based on the book), which has knowledge of the future, including emblem Heartless. But that explanation doesn't cover everything. Nomura discussed this in an inverview about ''Dark Road'', which also features emblem Heartless way earlier than expected:
+::'''Interviewer''': "In Dark Road, several of the Emblem Heartless make an appearance. But we thought that they would only appear later in the series."
+::'''Nomura''': "The reason for their appearance in these past worlds will be explained in Missing-Link."
+:So there's allegedly a reason, but right now we don't have a clear answer. —<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:110%>[[User:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">Aid</span>]][[User talk:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">1043</span>]]</span> 03:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)