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Y'know, I'm pretty the Ultimania isn't correct about everything. There's too much going against sayin' VS isn't an Unversed. He wears the symbol and is literally Vanitas's remnants in a physical form. A manifestation of his being. By all rights, he would be considered an Unversed. No doubt about it. He's a lot like the Lingering Sentiment in regards of how he operates. Being a creature of darkness whose strength seems to run on emotions, but not offset by positive ones, only negative ones. I'm not seeing he how he isn't an Unversed.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 06:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC) | Y'know, I'm pretty the Ultimania isn't correct about everything. There's too much going against sayin' VS isn't an Unversed. He wears the symbol and is literally Vanitas's remnants in a physical form. A manifestation of his being. By all rights, he would be considered an Unversed. No doubt about it. He's a lot like the Lingering Sentiment in regards of how he operates. Being a creature of darkness whose strength seems to run on emotions, but not offset by positive ones, only negative ones. I'm not seeing he how he isn't an Unversed.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 06:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Hold on, I really have to protest this. There are a ton of characters who can arguably be called Unversed--Ventus, Lingering Will, Sephiroth, etc. The decision in each and every case has been to not call something an Unversed unless it is specified as one by name in official materials. And I'm just fine with that. Not because I agree with the classifications, but because the logic is consistent. But if we're now saying that, in THIS case, we don't need to appease that level of evidence, that's just a double standard.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 08:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
:This should not be considered an Unversed if the Ultimania says it isn't. However, does the Ultimania say that the Magic Mirror IS an Unversed, as the game explicitly does?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:16, 18 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
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{{RN867|time 2:06pm|ven= i dont think so because its kinda like a absent silhouette and im pretty sure you could only fight those once soo...}} | {{RN867|time 2:06pm|ven= i dont think so because its kinda like a absent silhouette and im pretty sure you could only fight those once soo...}} | ||
{{One-Winged Angel|time=11:23 September 4, 2010|text=What I do if I want to fight a boss more than once (e.g. Sephiroth in KHII), I just save the game to a different file when the boss is beaten so I still have the prize (:D), and or still can progress and still have the save file right before I fight the boss.}} | {{One-Winged Angel|time=11:23 September 4, 2010|text=What I do if I want to fight a boss more than once (e.g. Sephiroth in KHII), I just save the game to a different file when the boss is beaten so I still have the prize (:D), and or still can progress and still have the save file right before I fight the boss.}} | ||
{{Lt.Haven|text= It can be fought three times, once as each character. Each character needs a different strategy to defeat it, though, so go with One-Winged Angel's advice.}} | |||
{{Maggosh|YMX=After you defeat it once, you can fight it as many times as you want afterwards, though you get no reward for doing so.}} | |||
== Remnant == | == Remnant == | ||
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{{Maggosh|nathan=Yes, I noticed that as well. It should be changed, yet AGAIN. >_>}} | {{Maggosh|nathan=Yes, I noticed that as well. It should be changed, yet AGAIN. >_>}} | ||
:Well at least after it's changed this time, it won't need to be changed again. --[[User:Breaktheice16|BreaktheIce16]] <small>([[User talk:Breaktheice16|talk]])</small> 10:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Where ? == | == Where ? == | ||
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I see, I just finished the game again and went on Ven but it doesn't says the badlands so you do need the reports. --{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 05:54, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | I see, I just finished the game again and went on Ven but it doesn't says the badlands so you do need the reports. --{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 05:54, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I've beaten all three stories, and I have all the reports. But if you need all the reports, then does that mean you have to load a "completion data" file? OK, I guess it does, since it I have the "Badlands" option on completion file. [[User:Key of Destiny|Key of Destiny]] 22:17, October 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Sentiment, Lingering Sprite or remnant? == | == Sentiment, Lingering Sprite or remnant? == | ||
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{{Maggosh|nathan=In the Information scroll before the battle, it says "Vanitas's lingering spirit", which the guide thought would be the official name.}} | {{Maggosh|nathan=In the Information scroll before the battle, it says "Vanitas's lingering spirit", which the guide thought would be the official name.}} | ||
{{LapisScarab|time=02:26, September 24, 2010 (UTC)|text=In order: "Vanitas's Sentiment" is a literaly translation from Japanese, "Vanitas's Lingering Spirit" is as maggosh said, and "Vanitas Sentiment is the name the game's journal gives it. We prefer to go by the Journal when it comes to names here, particularly when the Brady Games guides are notorious for being wrong.}} | |||
== Unversed == | |||
{{Falcos|text=I got my edit reverted, comment was "No, this one is DEFINITELY an unversed. That's what Unversed are." I'm going to point out that Unversed are negative emotions given form by Vanitas. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but Vanitas isn't around anymore by this time. Isn't this one falling into the same category of an Absent Silhouette, which is to say "Whatever it's based off is what this is"? Or have I got something wrong somewhere? Apologies in advance if I have.}} | |||
:It's an emanation of Vanitas's negativity given form. It even has the Unversed emblem on it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:29, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{Falcos|text=Alright, I concede.}} | |||
What is the journal entry filed under? --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 14:50, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{Maggosh|nathan=Character Files > Main Characters}} | |||
Then I'm not so sure we should be so hasty calling it an Unversed, considering a)its journal category, and b)its similarities to ASs and the LS. What does the "Unversed" option have going for it, besides the emblem? (I consider the "powerful thoughts and feelings" to be closer to LS-like in nature.) --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 18:03, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
He is made from Vanitas's negativity just like an Unversed, and thinking well the LS is very similar to an unversed but unlike unverseds he have a "real" body (Even though it is just an empty armor) and is made from Terra's negativity--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 18:08, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{DeadManCandyLand|time=18:25, September 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=umm but isnt it impossible for unversed to exist since they only existed when vanitas did since they were apart of him basically what im saying is he has to me a remmnant like the ls rather than an unversed}} | |||
Probably, but VR is different it is a part of Vanitas but that only was created after his dead but it is yet a part of him the other unversed exist with Vanitas and thinking well if some of the Unversed survived maybe they created VR though this is just speculation think about it VR is "A physical manifestation of what '''remained''' of Vanitas's powerful '''thoughts and feelings'''." but even though this is just speculation of my part VR is still what remained of Vanitas's thought and feeling just like an unversed--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 18:35, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{neumannz|time=18:42, September 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Maybe, but this is a little more specific than what Unversed are made of. It's not just "negative emotions", it's ''Vanitas's'' "powerful thoughts and feelings", which is different from an Unversed's nature. (I should point out that the entry doesn't specify negativity in particular, though it may not mean much.) | |||
So I'd consider it a Remnant with similarities to AS and LS (more towards AS, I think).}} | |||
::Well, the Trinity Report does not list it as an Unversed, but we do have Organization XIII and Ansem SoD as precedents. I'd say that, given its similar nature and the emblem, we can safely consider it an Unversed until told differently by Nomura. Then again, I haven't fought the damn thing yet, so I'm going off of what I've read.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:14, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Other point I forgot to mention, the Ultimania doesn't file VR as an Unversed. [http://heartstation.org/gallery/albums/birth-by-sleep/ultimania/bbsu%20075.png] --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 04:52, September 19, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Fake or real? == | |||
{{WB|Vanitas=I'm confused! Is Vanitas Remnant really a Fake Keybearer? Look as his Void Gear, it has a Keychain and he is part of Vanitas whom is part of Ventus! And he is a Keyblade-wielding Unversed like Roxas being a Keyblade-wielding Nobody! I'm not making an argument, just someone tell me why he is considered a Fake Keybearer.}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|The Keychain has nothing to do with whether it's real or not. What makes it fake is that VR ''IS'' the Keyblade - what he holds is merely part of his being, like with Genie.}} | |||
==Canon?== | |||
{{Lt.Haven|text=So we know that the Mysterious Figure is canon, but what about Vanitas Remnant? The Journal says that it is left of what were once Vanitas' "powerful emotions". Since Vanitas is destroyed only minutes before Ventus goes to sleep and Terra is possessed, it seems only Aqua would be able to fight it if the boss were canon. But I'm not entirely sure about it.}} | |||
And Aqua is in the Dark Margin, and since all three can fight him, the impossible happinings would mean he is non-canon.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 01:45, September 25, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman | |||
i beat the game on terra and ven but i cant go to the badlands, do i have to beat it with aqua too? what am i missing? | |||
{{Maggosh|YMX=The Badlands can only be accessed from the World Map.}} | |||
{{ST|text=you have to complete the Final Episode it says that in the artical}} | |||
{{iZerox|time=06:42, September 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=I believe we probably could consider this fight to be canon for Aqua but not for Terra and Ventus. After all it get's its own journal entry under characters.}} | |||
{{Lt.Haven|text=After Aqua locks the Land of Departure, you can go to other worlds before fighting Xehanort. This includes the Badlands if you've beaten Final Episode before. When you investigate the world, it even says "A strong will is at work here, but whose?"}} | |||
== Battle Tip? == | |||
{{WB|Vanitas=Can someone tell me how to trap VR into a Tornado easy? Or just tell the your status od when you defeated him?}} | |||
{{Lt.Haven|text=Lure him into mines, then hit him with Aeroga/Tornado/whatever easily. I haven't beaten him as Ventus, I've just battered him with Mines as Aqua.}} | |||
== A.I. Glitch == | |||
{{ST|text=i noticed that the strategy section makes numerous mentions of an A.I. glitch, however, no wehere in the article does it explain what exactly this glitch is, only different ways to somehow take advantage of it. could someone elaborate?}} | |||
{{Lt.Haven|text=There is only one glitch I've seen. Hide behind one of the big rocks in the badlands, and he'll run straight at the wall, instead of around it. Then just spam Strike Raid until he's dead. But this strategy is really cheap, and he can still hit you when he goes into his black shell attack.}} | |||
{{ST|text=ok, thank you}} | |||
{{Maggosh|YMX=Actually, I find if you keep using Strike Raid, he won't use Black Hex Shell. That's what I call it, by the way.}} | |||
== Attack project == | |||
These pastebins might help: | |||
*http://pastebin.com/qv2Q1QzQ | |||
*http://pastebin.com/j1EURi0G | |||
Also, where kanji or hiragana are involved, please remember that they might be referring to existing martial arts techniques, and should be romanized as such rather than translated literally.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
: Do you know a site that lists these martial arts techniques? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:37, 5 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Not really. Some Japanese dictionaries, like WWWJDIC, should be able to catch most of them, and if it's a word that is a combination of kana and kanji, there's a good chance the kanji is a reference to something, but I generally just make a point of checking the kanji and romaji on google before translating them, to see if they meant something before KH.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:00, 6 October 2015 (UTC) | |||