File talk:Lingering Will KHIIFM.png

Is there really a difference between the two renders other than the first one being an old scan? --ShardofTruth 21:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think so, as there wasn't a difference for Kairi's, Naminè's, Roxas's, or Mickey's, and apparently Sora's, Goofy's, and Donald's are from Kingdom Hearts χ cards.I think it's pretty much just prettier, which is fine by me because then we might get prettier renders of the Castle Oblivion crew and DW Roxas--ShadowsTwilight 22:05, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

No, there isn't a difference. But there are few differences between the older renders from KHHD1.5 and their original counterparts, and we still uploaded those renders. KeybladeSpyMaster 23:36, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

But if it's exactly the same render in better quality it should replace this image, doesn't it? If it's a new pose or a new model then it's reasonable to upload it as a separate file or am I missing something here? --ShardofTruth 08:11, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Originally, this image was uploaded over the KHIIFM version. It was reverted by Erry with the comment to please upload under a different name. I'm not entirely sure what our naming/upload rules are for the HD games. I know the cutscenes, even if they were the same image, had to be uploaded separately. Xion4ever 11:59, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I read that but I still don't understand why, maybe Erry could explain his stance on this matter further.

What I see here is the same image: one is a seven year old scan from the KHFM+ Ultimania, the other one a version that was released for the press a week ago. Again, I get why we upload different images for the HD releases (new screen ratio and resolution, better textures, different poses, different models altogether) but personally I re-uploaded many renders with new versions from new press materials myself when they looked exactly the same before (e.g. here, here and here). --ShardofTruth 13:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

This being a higher quality view of the exact same render, I would say overwrite, personally. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 20:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree --ShadowsTwilight 21:33, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I asked Erry when I first notified him that this had happened (before he reverted it), and he said wiki policy is to upload these images separately. Compare File:Mission 89 01 KHD.png and File:Mission 89 01 (KHD) KHHD.png, and note the upload war in the summaries of the former. So, maybe, you'd have to change/alter the policy regarding images.

Hmm, not sure, did renders come up during 1.5? And if not, should we consider renders to be the same as screenshots, or should they be a separate thing?--ShadowsTwilight 00:56, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

My views is that there is a key difference between the renders (mainly, texture quality) that warrants them being different enough. Especially since we aim to archive all possible appearances of that character, what we plan to do, goes against it. Even if it's something as minute as just texture quality. Never mind, was under the impression we were keeping renders regardless of their quality. Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they pissed me off. - Erry 09:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Official renders =/= cutscene screenshots. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 03:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

As far as I remember, official renders of the same pose/features were uploaded over the original KH images. Any new pose/features were created under a new KH HD naming system and added to Category:Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix character images. I believe Shard mentioned this before on this page...In my opinion, if the images are the exact same, I'm okay with uploading over the old image. However, that throws our naming policy out of whack unless we're okay with not having the "KH HD 1.5/2.5" in the title. Having two separate images will probably add some images to the unused category, but it keeps our naming policy nice and "clean." Xion4ever 03:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

So, from what I'm getting, it really comes down to which of the two we see as the lesser of two evils, having a few renders that bend the naming policy rules, or having a bunch of unused images? Personally, I feel it would be better just to have them uploaded over the original image seeing as, like I said earlier, it would only be bending the rules of the policy, not breaking them, as saying that this is from KH II FM isn't completely inaccurate seeing this technically is the render of LW as he appears in the KH II FM portion of KH II.5. I personally think that's a little "cleaner" then having a bunch of unused images--ShadowsTwilight 20:13, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I get what you're saying Erry, but in the wake of the release of the HD 1.5 ReMIX and now the HD 2.5 ReMIX many renders resurfaced we had already uploaded here (most the of the Disney characters). That leads me to the conclusion that these are really the old image material back from the first release. The "new" Lingering Sentiment render uses exactly the same pose as the "old" one, it's not more detailed, it just more colorful because it isn't a scan, so I guess it is the same old image. Furthermore we shouldn't over-evaluate the work SE does for the Remixes, with the exception of the Sora, Riku, Kairi and Ansem SoD (all new models) only the Stations of Awakening featured new textures in the 1.5 HD ReMIX. I guess that will be the case for the next one too where only BBS will get textures double the size of of the original PSP release.

I could talk all day about these issues. For example back in the first KH Ultimania many renders are used that look exactly like in the game while SE nowadays retouches them by making the face and poses look less akward and adds details here and there. If you compare these renders to the ones appearing in the Bradygames or Piggyback guide you will find some noticable differences, I think I've seen at least three versions of Riku in Dark Mode with the Soul Eater by now.

In the end I don't think it's that important, we don't have access to all this material and we probably never will. --ShardofTruth 20:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)